Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

[juliets]

I'm villager.
Why are you not in master team yourself?

It's not what my role card says. I can attempt to provide a more useful answer to that question, but the onus will be on you to actually listen to me and check my content.

I did not vote for Mac because I felt both Radishes and sig were more suspicious. And they both flipped mafia -- I wasn't "wrong". However, if you review the things I said to and about Mac (and the reverse) up to the point that he died, there is evidence available to you that I am not his teammate. I was never in his camp, and I harbored plenty of suspicion of him too. You'll have to take it or leave it, but only once you've looked at it.

I read it and I saw it. I'm pretty sure I even posted the things you said about Mac. That's one reason I'm so confused about you.

[Michelle]

I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

Yes it is. My playstyle as mafia is at this moment different as night and day from my town play. I am such bad at wolfing that I won that game here because no one knew my town play.
You could think at the game where your wrong poe gave the game to wolves. If you are villager i am dissapointed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I read it and I saw it. I'm pretty sure I even posted the things you said about Mac. That's one reason I'm so confused about you.

There's a reason some folks thought I looked like a civilian yesterday.

Everything I have done to hunt has been genuine. I don't know the answers. I am trying. I believed in my case against Turnip Head. I believed Colin and G-Man were solid prospects to flip mafia. None of them did. Sometimes thems the breaks, and the only reason I end up being public enemy number one as a result is because I am the high-posting tinfoil magnet. It's always my fault. All of it. I am the idiot who killed them, personally, with my bare hands, all alone.

I have been dealing with this shit in every game I've played for the last year. And it made me stop playing. Sometimes I just get shit wrong. Folks will recall Assassination Classroom when the mafia team SWEPT my civilian team. I was garbage.

The tragedy of this game is that I haven't been garbage. I was awesome catching the anti-monitor team. I haven't had the same fortune with the other side. And so now I am viewed as a lock to be among them. I'm not among them. There's little I can say or do to prove that to the rabid hyena mob that wants to drink my blood from their goblets of hatred. I will have to hope that, if alive tomorrow, my last ditch hunting efforts are both accurate and usable without the game ending.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

Yes it is. My playstyle as mafia is at this moment different as night and day from my town play. I am such bad at wolfing that I won that game here because no one knew my town play.
You could think at the game where your wrong poe gave the game to wolves. If you are villager i am dissapointed.

I am not that well-versed in the ways that you play. We haven't really played in very many games together, and frankly I don't remember you being mafia. It may have happened somewhere, but I don't remember it.

And there it is again. My "wrong POE gave the game to the wolves" in a game where I was mislynched. It's all my fault.

I am held to a standard like no other. I always have been. It's okay, I ask for it given the way I played for so long. Zen Jay tried to change the dynamic a bit, but he has yet to make through a full game in tact. People will have to know better eventually.

[Long Con]

@Long Con when will the night end?

Coming together now. In by 11.

[Michelle]

Agatha Heterodyne

7

41% Voters: juliets, Tranq, tedxtr, TonyStarkPrime, Jackofhearts2005, Epignosis, Michelle 

Lars

2

13% Voters: Sloonei, speedchuck


Violetta Mondarev

1

6% Voters: JaggedJimmyJay



why so many votes on Agatha?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I picked Violetta because that's a great name.

[Michelle]

I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

Yes it is. My playstyle as mafia is at this moment different as night and day from my town play. I am such bad at wolfing that I won that game here because no one knew my town play.
You could think at the game where your wrong poe gave the game to wolves. If you are villager i am dissapointed.

I am not that well-versed in the ways that you play. We haven't really played in very many games together, and frankly I don't remember you being mafia. It may have happened somewhere, but I don't remember it.

And there it is again. My "wrong POE gave the game to the wolves" in a game where I was mislynched. It's all my fault.

I am held to a standard like no other. I always have been. It's okay, I ask for it given the way I played for so long. Zen Jay tried to change the dynamic a bit, but he has yet to make through a full game in tact. People will have to know better eventually.

it was my fault actually sorry for blaming you.
But you could learn from that game that this is my town play.

[Michelle]

Sloonei is quiet in a worrisome way

[Michelle]

I’m gonna pretend that a wolf gets arrowed tonight and everyone starts listening to me.

[Michelle]

A part of me thinks Sloonei is town because it's so blatant if he's not and he fought me on TH the same way and it was frustrating the same way.

It's Jay. I know it's Jay. I don't know who else it is.

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Jack you can't suspect only Jay though. Last sentence sound odd thh.

[Michelle]

Eureka!

I've been thinking Juliets is town.

Spoiler: show

This is counteracted if I assume Sloonei is town. Fuck I don't know what to do with this guy.

[Long Con]

Change of Fortune

The heroes had, reluctantly, taken the Quark Transverser, a weapon of the Master's design, and gone through a portal back to the Anti-Matter universe. The Master kept the Monitor imprisoned in order to ensure their compliance with his plan, and he kept him close as they watched the heroes' progress on a monitor.

"Those fools," the Master bragged, "when they use the Transverser, it won't just destroy the Anti-Monitor, it will annihilate them all!" He sneered at the Monitor. "And then this multiverse will be MINE to control."

The Monitor's eyes flashed angrily, and he said nothing. They watched the heroes' as they fought bravely through hordes of shadow demons, wincing as he saw Jack fall before the biggest demon they had ever encountered.

The Master laughed gurglingly, growing more and more engaged with the struggle of the heroes. He didn't notice as the Monitor's hands started to glow beneath the thick cuffs that bound them.

"Sir!" cried one of the guards, alarmed. "Master! His-his hands, they're-"

"DON'T bug me right now!" cackled the Master. "It's just getting to the good part!"

"But sir!" Too late, the Master whirled, only to see the Monitor's power surge, blowing his cuffs away, and knocking the guards to their backs.

"Thank you for the weapon," grinned the Monitor. "We won't be needing you anymore. The multiverse appreciates your technical ingenuity!"

And with that, the Monitor sent a blast of pure energy from his hand, disintegrating the Master entirely.

JackofHearts2005 has been killed! He was Agatha Heterodyne, a Civilian, from Girl Genius Mafia, by Dragon D Luffy.

Sloonei has been killed! He was the Master, from Fallout Mafia, by JaggedJimmyJay.

It is now Day 8.

[speedchuck]

Nice, whoever killed Sloon. I'll look at the roles in a sec.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine I am going to try to listed today, but I'm still hrrrrrrmmmmming on this one.

[Michelle]

yes! that looks good finally.

Rip Jack

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Michelle]

no poll yet. Back to sleep cya later

[Epignosis]

I do not suck.

I do not suck.

I do not suck!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's a very big relief. Now y'all can murder me and it shouldn't just ruin the game instantly. By the numbers there's still some risk depending upon the next night kill, but it's not a certainty anymore.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will do my best to leave you with a roadmap.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nice job Sloonei. No wonder you knew I wasn't the guy

[juliets]

I hope it was just a coincidence that Agatha was the number one vote in the night poll and Agatha in the game died. RIP Jack.

So Sloonei, my gut about you and Nutella's gut about you from the beginning of the game was right. Should have stuck with that instead of trying to explain it away. Good job with your role.

Everything else will have to wait until tomorrow.

[Sloonei]

rez please

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tedxtr is not a Master teamer. Sloonei tried to take advantage of him on Days 0 and 1, and it was not teammate stuff.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.

Tone reads always have underlying reasons.

I can't tell you what I'm going to get out of anything. I do things so we can all see what happens. Do you not want me to ask you questions?

Not teammates. ted looks good with sig's team too. Civilian read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

lol Sloonei pegging me as anti-monitor because he knew I wasn't a Master

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Even if y'all just slaughter me today, I still encourage you keep a close tally. The anti-monitor needs to be identified before the game dwindles to tiny numbers, or the -2 vote advantage becomes invincibility. That very same advantage provides a way to out that role.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] when you get a moment can we get a poll my dude

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on Epignosis

Spoiler: show

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

I’d call it unlikely, but I don’t object to tugging at this thread. Why are you tagging epi and mac specifically?

I don’t remember much of anything that Epi has said in this game. That is probably more my fault than his.

I don’t remember much of anything that Epi has said in this game. That is probably more my fault than his.

who the hell are you?

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

G-Man's vote does not inspire confidence either.

None of the single voters do. Epi's is one of the least worrying, honestly. He's here and apparently trying to do something provocative with it.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

Turnip Head has four votes. Your take on him?

Town

I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

What I don't join is your sig vote. It makes no fucking sense to me.

Why?

To be clear, I don't have a sound argument to lynch sig right now. My gut says he's town. But when I look at the results of the interactive analyses (which as we know is indisputable), sig's name stands out. I want to review that bone to see how much meat it has on it.

I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

How am I a mixed review?

Jay says you're positive. I shrugged.

Epignosis if there is one particular moment in the jack/sabie interactions that you could highlight for your suspicion of him, what would it be?

What are you asking me, nutella? I'm quite behind and don't know the context.

If sig is bad, there’s a 50% chance he starts the day with -2 votes. A tie doesn’t do much and may just be ensuring a mac lynch.

And then MacDougall gets lynched instead, which is apparently the itinerary for Day 4 as I understand it. What's it matter?

The ghost of Dyslexicon laid out a plan for isolating the last remaining member of sig’s supposed team. Also sig is more bad than Mac.

We can now do two sets of interactive isos. This may literally kill me.

I'm not doing a goddamn thing.

i'm not doing anything tonight either. i'm a sedated sloon.

I'll be with you clowns later (hopefully). I'm in the middle of Sloonei's latest novel.

I tried to really work on my character development in this one

"Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own."

Why is this worth saying now?

I compiled that post during the night, before the threads were split up and we knew sig’s role.

@Sloonei what is your read on me?

town

I feel like we've been less connected in this game than in games past. I grant that we've both had less time to be here for whatever reasons.

What do you think of Epignosis?

I do not have a firm read on him. I haven't given him much attention.

Someone ask me something mafia related. Fuck NBA. Fuck hysteria.

JaggedJimmyJay and Turnip Head: what are their alignments?

Anti

Do you mean they are aligned opposite one another, or they are both anti-town? Or something else entirely?

Won't vote for:

Dom, Epi, G-Man, Jack, Sloonei

Could be convinced to vote mostly anyone else

Talk to me about me, epi, and G-man.

I’m the anti-epi. Corona hysteria got me in a weird mood today and I wasn’t feeling this mafia thing. I’ll be back at it tomorrow.

Dom, Tony, and Epi are the names I'm least confident in after you (if we're accepting TH's claim about targeting Michelle). She only mentioned those three in a list of town reads when I specifically asked her for them.

I do not have a read on Epi outside of the interactive analysis that I've done. That's unusual.

I do not have a read on Epi outside of the interactive analysis that I've done. That's unusual.

i wonder if it's worrisome. Unusual is bad or plain neutral?

Unusual is unusual. I have no reason to feel good about it, but I don't have a specific reason to feel bad about Epi. Which is the point.

When I have caught Epi in the past, it has been because he looks to have a deliberate plan in the thread. On those occasions, he has come into the game and made posts that all seem to be angling for something in particular. I have not observed that happening in this game, but I've also never given less energy to reading Epignosis in a game before. I'll ISO him at some point. I too need to put some energy in other places right now. I'll have at least half an eye on this thing until the deadline. If anyone feels like kicking ted's tires that'd be neat, but we appear to be plunging into a colin lynch. I'm not as inspired to stop it as I was several days ago.

Observers: Commence to comment.

I'm keen to lynch Colin. On that front, sure. I agree with your conclusion. One question:

You noted Colin agreeing with Dyslexicon about a point against Tony. You said you sought follow-up. Later you observed Colin's Day 2 vote for Tony and said you didn't know why he placed it. And lastly you mentioned that the "Tony stuff you were looking for" was vague.

Please expand on all of that. It looks disjointed to me, and at times I struggled to follow what you were saying in general within that case.

Colin didn't bother to interact with his suspects. That's a red flag. A vote doesn't mean anything to me, especially with more than one mafia. I was looking for Colin to parse his suspicion of Tony.

This is where I am. I'll read the rest after this in about an hour. And get roaring drunk. Again.

I feel like I just spoke this post into existence.
Talk to me about ted and speedchuck.

I've read everything but Sloonei's latest novel. I am current other than that.

I really don’t expect everyone to read all that nonsense. The rainbow list at the end tells you what’s essential.

Then why do you publish it?

For reference and my own sake.

Jack, Dom, and juliets are not on Mac’s team. Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

The anti-monitor is between Jay, Tony, Epi, or Dom for me. Dom seems the least likely of the bunch. I have no explicit reason to eliminate G-man, but I am not feeling that it’s him.

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

So only you can be zen?

Seriously though, your posts are sleepy. The game is not in a good place. That's a contrast.

That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

There wasn’t even a case on GMan.

Read the damn thread with the rest of us please.

Do you suspect Jack?

No. Hence frustration.

Huge Radish review -- Epi is in the middling tier

Huge Mac reviewp -- Epi is in the middling tier

Huge sabie review -- Epi is in a barely-south-of-middling tier

~~~

This might look like a lot of content, but by Sloonei's standards it's actually not much. The trend I see emerging here is Sloonei having no clue what to do with Epignosis. When he did his large analyses, he stuck Epi at the center every time. When he stated reads on Epignosis, they hardly qualified as reads. These may sound like bad points, but my view is positive for Epignosis. I don't see any kind of plan or agenda in the way they communicated with each other in these posts. I think Sloonei literally forgot about Epignosis at various points. Indeed, when my suspicion of Epignosis ramped up in recent phases, Sloonei gave some half-hearted support to the idea. This is pointless if Epignosis is his teammate and people are treating him like a confirmed civilian. I think Sloonei rides that out. I don't think Sloonei knew what he was doing in these exchanges.

Doubt they're teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think you need to enable vote changes [mention]Long Con[/mention]

[Long Con]

I think you need to enable vote changes @Long Con

You people are never satisfied.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on juliets

Spoiler: show

LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.

Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.

This is the most significant post in Radish’s ISO and it strikes me as the kind of opportunistic Day 0/1 suspicion that mafia could latch onto. Granted, everyone is new to Radishes here so it’s understandable that he’d lack strong reads early on (it’s not even Day 1 yet), but I don’t see him being much of an assertive presence in here so far. I’d think he’d want to lay the ground work to produce reads, at least.

Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?

I’m saying this is the extent of his reads, and it’s not very inspiring.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.

I certainly would not say that that's the case either. My point is that I have no reason to read Radishes as town. I picked out the most substantial post I could find in his ISO, and there was nothing in it that would be impossible for an evil radish to say or do.

I appreciate Radishes content, but I still don't trust him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But also

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

I've not seen anything for her that sticks out or anything that she couldn't also just say as scum. I cri evertim.

I am currently town-reading juliets. Can you convince me otherwise?

I am currently town-reading juliets. Can you convince me otherwise?

No. There's nothing there afaic.
Can you explain why you read her town?

My perception of town juliets is that her early-game efforts are mostly spent keeping tabs on things, making sure she understands what's going on, before diving into things later on. When I've caught her as scum in the past (once, maybe twice?) it was because she was a bit flat and not so forthcoming. She's looked more like the former so far here.

You've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

@Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I don't know if I said "similar behavior", but what I've mislynched colin for in the past is his tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace. It's easy to misread that as a tentative, behind-the-action scum player, when in reality it's just been a behind-the-action civilian trying not to overstate his thoughts.

I have not looked closely at his posts in this game so I can't give you a detailed interpretation of what he looks like here. But that's my general warning against lynching Colin.

I've maintained a comfortable town read on juliets all game, but I should note that there have been a couple of instances that made me raise my eyebrows a little bit. By themselves they weren't much, and I still don't know what the angle is to read them as "suspicious", but they exist. I'll try to dig them up when I can.

I did not mean to suggest that you were necessarily misrepresenting my words intentionally, though that possibility had occurred to me and I did not want to dismiss it outright. But it's not a pivotal part of my concerns here. I don't even know if this constitutes an accusation: I simply noticed a similar thing happening on two separate occasions with you. I'm not used to this from you, so it was noteworthy. Maybe it's purely coincidence. Maybe the confusion is on my end. But it's a thing that I observed and I didn't want to sit on that. My vote is on you for the sake of discussion more than anything else, for the record. If the day was ending right now, I don't think I'd want to vote for you.

I apologize if I've upset you at all with this. Let's start that dialogue. Tell me where else you've had not great feelings about me.

Even in death, nutella tunnels me.

I moved my vote off of Mac because it’s early in the day and I want to use my vote to emphasize discussion. I made this same point when I voted for juliets. I make this same point in most games that I play. A vote on Mac at this stage just maintains the status quo. He’s a candidate to be lynched and I don’t object to that. I’d like him to do more things so I can have a clearer sense of where his head’s at in this game. But I don’t need my vote to be on him to get that to happen right now. G-man is another candidate who’s not getting as much attention, so I put my vote on him instead. I am aware of the deadline and will cast a meaningful vote when that is approaching.

I’ve made a version of this post a hundred times before.

Thank you for your thoughts, ghostella.

Responding to juliets ISO post about me:

I make no apologies about my radishes suspicion. He stood out to me when the game was just getting started and I’ve continued to feel that way. I am open to other names and have been making an effort to explore other options today. Also when I called him “evil” I was just trying to be cute and come up with alternative words for “baddie”, “scum”, “mafia”, etc. Because I’m just so clever. I think I also threw around the word “naughty” earlier. I wasn’t trying to be manipulative. Just silly.

As for everything else you said about my activity and engagement, I’ll blame it on the sickness. But I disagree with the point that I don’t take a long time to figure things out. Maybe it comes across that way because I’m loud and assertive, but I’ll often go into Day 3 without a lot of confident reads. I can’t just scan the thread and make snap judgments of people, I rely on my process. Sometimes the games takes a while to open up. Being sick knocked me off my rhythm for a few days and stunted my Day 1. I try to be as open as I can when I’m communicating my reads, so if I don’t have many strong ones I’m going to say as much. I feel like I have a better grasp on the overall layout of this game than I did 36 hours ago, but it’s still not as great as I’d like it to be.

Now I like sabie.
Is Mac or Jack a good lynch?

I could lynch Mac. I think lynching Jack is a bad move.

Sloonei are you seeing bad Mac or just not seeing good Mac? It's probably in your ISO but I've been in too many ISO's today and it's drowning me in a river of words.

I had one particular issue with Mac that makes no sense to me if mac is a civilian. Other than that he's a shrug. I am colossally inept at reading MacDougall and his big D.

@JaggedJimmyJay I like your points about G-Man's post.

which point stands out the most to you?

The point about why you are the worst offender and the point about why exactly S~V~S and I are a problem. So for example, I'm not troubled that he finds me a problem but he didn't explain it and didn't answer me when I asked about it.

Are you clear on why you are the worst offender?

I am not. I'm not even clear why I'm on the list at all (I get what he has said, I just don't understand why he regards it as a bad thing). I believe I've asked him about this already.
I see that your vote is currently on G-man. How confident is that read? What other names are you considering?

God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.

G-man just became equally as viable as Radishes imo. How do you feel about him?

linki: hello, i appreciate the confidence. but why are am i responsible for your vote, juliets?

God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.

G-man just became equally as viable as Radishes imo. How do you feel about him?

linki: hello, i appreciate the confidence. but why are am i responsible for your vote, juliets?

Sloonei, no I'm sorry, you are not. I made the decision.

I know, sorry I didn't mean that as in you were putting in my hands. I mean why are you citing me on this vote change? What is the exact reason for it?

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

I expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.

Sloonei

Noted. I see you also compare her to juliets. I forget which game Michelle was scum in recently. Maybe i'll dig that up later. I'm distracted by america's dumb election results right now

My smoking gun with sig is a specific moment in his handling of Radishes: during sig’s lone Day 2 post, he suggests that he had laid out his thoughts on Radishes in an ISO somewhere, but a thorough investigation of sig’s posts reveals absolutely no substantiated read on Radishes. If there’s a slip, it’s that. It has the feel of a player who had intended to produce a bullshit case on his teammate, but then never got around to it and simply forgot that was the case.

Sloonei, just playing devils advocate, I liked this point when you first made it but couldn't it be that town sig had started making notes on a Radish case but then never presented it and thought he had? I'm just trying to make sure, Mac has shaken my resolve a bit.

It’s possible. But I’ve pressed sig on this issue throughout the day and he hasn’t provided anything close to a satisfactory answer to this point, or any point relating to Radishes, which leads me to believe that he’s shaken and trying to downplay it because he doesn’t have a good answer in him.

Lol you guys are very funny. I want to gnaw off my hand.

but then how will you type?

sig's still a top suspect.

I don't understand Sloonei.

Nothing about mac’s flip changes anything about my read on sig. Why would this have changed?

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.

I was talking about people talking about sig’s slip.

I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

Jack, Dom, and juliets are not on Mac’s team. Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

The anti-monitor is between Jay, Tony, Epi, or Dom for me. Dom seems the least likely of the bunch. I have no explicit reason to eliminate G-man, but I am not feeling that it’s him.

Actually maybe there was something to my Michelle theory. I see no harm in bringing it up again. Who the hell knows at this point?
For reference:

Spoiler: show

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

But if the theory is that the anti-monitor was on level 2, then this thread’s evidence points more to Jay or G-man, I think. Certainly not speedchuck, and I’d be shocked if it was juliets. Maybe it is her.

So only you can be zen?

Seriously though, your posts are sleepy. The game is not in a good place. That's a contrast.

That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.

@Sloonei ^ ^

See my response.

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

Sloonei, I'll think about this but I didn't see the evidence that he forgot we were playing with two mafia teams. And then the move from sig to Mac at the last minute the next day on top of this just doesn't look good to me. But I will ponder what you're saying.

He voted on the wagon opposite my vote because he did not trust me. That looks like a player’s mafia instincts kicking in: “I suspect Sloonei, therefore I distrust the wagon he is voting on.” It doesn’t make sense in this game, but it is applicable to a normal game. I guess “forgot” is a strong word.

The alternative is that he made up a poor excuse because he was under pressure. That is not impossible. I lean in favor of the former.

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

I'm not going to leave but @Michelle your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

There’s no elephant in this game.

Walk me through your read on Jay, independent of the game-state or anyone else’s thoughts on him.

I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

@juliets

Switch your vote.

Do not.

Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

I assume this is what you are talking about. I'm less familiar with speedchuck's anti-emotional stance. This post is not enough to remove him from my POE, and it's possible the emotion is genuine but he's still bad in a multiball game. I'm not sure if he'd be aligned with mac in that scenario though. So I guess if the POE is just for that team then it might make sense.

So you think he is the Anti-Monitor or just faking it? It doesn't sound fake to me but what do I know.

I doubt it was faked. Even without knowing speedchuck has a specific objection to emotional pleas, he doesn't seem like the type to say unkind things for the sake of scoring points in a game. But given the situation right now I'm not totally willing to dismiss him as a suspect for this. To be clear, it helps his case. It just does not completely absolve him in my eyes.

I don't have an answer to things right now. This game has kind of been back-burnered for me the last few days. I hope I have a chance to do solving things later. This isn't unwinnable.

Jack and juliets are never teamed with Mac. That's about all I'm comfortable saying at this point.

Two moments that made me question juliets

Light green in Radish review

Dark green in Mac review

Yellow in sabie review

~~~

There's a point in there where Sloonei apologized to juliets for upsetting her when he used the word "misrepresent". That alone makes me want to shut this down and say they're not teammates. The rest of the progression is fitting though for the same conclusion. Sloonei mostly conveyed juliets as a civilian read, but always kept one finger on the button to allow himself to turn that around. juliets has long been the subject of at least minor tinfoil from a few people, and Sloonei needed suspects. He wasn't quite prepared to drop her entirely for the majority of the game.

Doubt they're teammates

[Epignosis]

I was right about Jack. I bet I'm right about juliets. And I bet I'm right about JJJ.

[Epignosis]

Lots of Js there.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei has been killed! He was the Master, from Fallout Mafia, by JaggedJimmyJay.

It is now Day 8.

Everyone tell me who is Sloonei's teammates and why.

[Epignosis]

And juliets is off the table, motherfuckers.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on Michelle

Spoiler: show

I'm half-heartedly reading through. Do you guys ever stop talking about hidden significances behind your choice of ice cream flavour? Do I need to care about this conversation?

What do you think?

I cannot tell if Dizzy is giving an actual read on me or just goofing around.

You would know if the voting poll was open.

Why is michelle towncore?

You've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?
SVS?
Michelle?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

G-man is the only name on this list without a question mark. Does that mean he's your most confident town read? Why? I've also seen mixed opinions on Michelle, so what can you tell me about her?

I also take it Colin is among the strongest reads among "almost everyone else", so I guess we should talk about the specifics of that read.

G-man is the only name on this list without a question mark. Does that mean he's your most confident town read? Why? I've also seen mixed opinions on Michelle, so what can you tell me about her?

I also take it Colin is among the strongest reads among "almost everyone else", so I guess we should talk about the specifics of that read.

I just got a good feel from G-man the way he posted N1 and also came at me start of this day. You can call it strong gut if you like.
Michelle, I've been unsure, but I like the later I've seen from her, especially being all in Tunrip's face. It's a more challenging position, and I think Michelle is more sly and not so in your face or confident as scum. So I lean town on her.

You are mistaken about Colin. Me voting someone does not mean they are my strongest read. But I do like Nook's point just now about him seeming disinterested in solving.

I think there’s always something underlying “gut” reads. Can you at least identify the posts that made you feel good about G-man and try to talk about what gives you those good feelings?
I’ve only seen one scum game from Michelle in the past and she was noticeably different from her town self. She’s one of many I have not looked closely at here, but a glance at a few of her posts felt like her usual self. I think this aligns with your read here as well.

My mistake re: colin. Who is your strongest suspect? You might have said radishes, I forget who else is on that wagon.

Bottom 5 posters:
Tranq
Dragomir
G-man
sabie
speedchuck

Colin is 6th and Michelle is just behind him. Tranq has been AWOL. Drago was, but appeared at the start of this phase. Neither of them have done anything.
I’m frankly surprised that speedchuck has more posts than sabie and G-man; I feel like those latter two have been bigger presences in the thread.

How do people feel about Michelle? She's been low impact imo.

There was talk earlier of a case about her that I never saw come to fruition. I've not seen anything that makes me want to lynch her.

Turnip Head i'm skimming through Michelle's posts and I don't see any glaring issues. If she's still a suspect for you, could you give us a few reasons why? I'm inclined to trust you right now, but I don't think Jack is a good vote.

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

@MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Why isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?

Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?

You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.

@MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Why isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?

Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?

You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.

What would be satisfying to you? Do you require an essay length response on Michelle's meta? I believe both Nutella and Jack have answered questions about Michelle's meta. Her meta is that she is an inquisitor. She is not too dissimilar to juliets in playstyle. Perhaps you are just being selective with what you are reading.

Darth Sloonei is not on this list because you are the one who asked the question and I literally just mentioned you in another post. What kind of gotcha bs is this?

I framed Epi that way because that is how I feel about his contribution?

You seem butthurt.

This is just me trying to develop a read on you. I have a vague suspicion but nothing firm. I'd like to fix that. I'm just asking you to explain the reads you've stated. Your michelle answer satisfies me. I can't say I have a clear read on her either, but provided some direction and that's nice.

I was not trying to get you by asking about myself. But you singled me out as a suspect one post earlier, and then didn't name in a big list of suspects. I was curious about that, and about why you think I'm bad this time.

Why do you feel that way about Epi's contribution?

None of these are trick questions. Talk to me, MacDougall.

@Sloonei i answered the michelle meta question at some point, maybe you didn't see it, or if it was unsatisfactory let me know why?

I do not remember this.

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

I expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.

Sloonei

Noted. I see you also compare her to juliets. I forget which game Michelle was scum in recently. Maybe i'll dig that up later. I'm distracted by america's dumb election results right now

Spoiler: show

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

I expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.

Sloonei

Noted. I see you also compare her to juliets. I forget which game Michelle was scum in recently. Maybe i'll dig that up later. I'm distracted by america's dumb election results right now

Australian Murder Mystery is the recent game I played with Mafia Michelle. A quick glance at her ISO there suggests that she was perhaps quicker to level accusations in that game, with fewer than her typical amount of questions.

I don't know what this does for my read of her in this game. I admit that it's been a while since I looked at her. I gave her an early town read because she was not reminding me of the Australian version of herself.

Michelle got the most votes in our thread, but apparently only the player with the most votes across the threads got lynched.

I had a tinfoil theory about her being the anti-monitor based on events in our lower-level thread, but our votes didn't end up meaning anything.

My theory was that the Inception mechanic was triggered by sig. He's a role from Inception/Inception mafia with *secrets* and he was going to get lynched today, so he had nothing to lose.

My tinfoil about michelle was that she came into our small thread having already collected a bunch of posts from speedchuck to cast suspicion against. If sig triggered the thread-split, his teammate would have been aware it was going to happen and could have taken time to prepare a case against a vulnerable player who they knew would be in their reduced pool of players.

There's a lot of Ifs in there, so it's not something that would determine my vote under ordinary circumstances, but this phase was not ordinary circumstances.

So Sloonei-- I ask you--

sig is off the table.

Who is bad? Why?

Well I voted for Michelle in our pointless thread yesterday. It was a tinfoil that would not be worth a vote under normal circumstances, but which still merits suspicious. The theory had her as the anti-monitor.

After that I intend to finish looking at Mac's interactions with folks later in the phase. I should have definitive reads then. The previous phase was a big disruption in my flow. Before that happened, Colin and Tony were names that I wanted to explore in relation to Mac.

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

so the idea was put Speed and Michelle in Div 2 when Speed is already a popular lynch option and then hope that no one emerges from Div 1?

At the time I didn't know what the lynch mechanics looked like. Maybe she would have wanted a player to scapegoat down there just to be on the safe side. Then again, if Michelle is the anti-monitor and has a -2 vote on her, then the chances of her getting lynched in a 6 person thread are pretty slim to begin with.

We even got the votes to work out perfectly to test out the theory if the mechanics had been the same as Original Inception: 3 votes on Michelle and 2 on speedchuck. If Michelle was in fact the anti-monitor, speedchuck would have been our level's non-fatal lynch victim, and we would have been able to surmise that Michelle was the anti-monitor. But alas...

Michelle and sabie are never teammates in this game

Tell me why

I shot Michelle with my bow but it was redirected to sabie. Sig was the architect, he'd never switch two teammates

Good point.

Dom, Tony, and Epi are the names I'm least confident in after you (if we're accepting TH's claim about targeting Michelle). She only mentioned those three in a list of town reads when I specifically asked her for them.

I do not have a read on Epi outside of the interactive analysis that I've done. That's unusual.

i wonder if it's worrisome. Unusual is bad or plain neutral?

Unusual is unusual. I have no reason to feel good about it, but I don't have a specific reason to feel bad about Epi. Which is the point.

Like is unusual to be awake at 2 am but it's not good, nor bad

speak for yourself. my bedtime has been 3 AM since the clocks jumped forward.

Don't know if this was addressed, but I was thinking...If sig potentially designed the levels, would he have risked sending the anti-monitor in the main thread , the only place where lynched people die?

ok i assume that's the list i wanted to look in cuz i remember that account telling us tsp and someone else was with sig

i think, ultimately, sig would've used the 3 man level for shading and bet on this very wifom. if we bit it, it takes a 50/50 to lynch his anti-monitor which would seem dumb from him.

I don't know if he'd risk it by putting him in main thread, so I think that he'd just place him in Michelle's hood thing.

I'll take a look at those peeps. But names that stick out upon PoE and shit are probably JJJ / Gman / Speed

Michelle

I remember Sloonei had in the dream level a similar idea.

Jay would leapfrog you as my anti-monitor suspect if this is the case.

Actually maybe there was something to my Michelle theory. I see no harm in bringing it up again. Who the hell knows at this point?
For reference:

Spoiler: show

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

But if the theory is that the anti-monitor was on level 2, then this thread’s evidence points more to Jay or G-man, I think. Certainly not speedchuck, and I’d be shocked if it was juliets. Maybe it is her.

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

Voices concerns about TH's suspicion of Michelle

Light green in Radish review

Light green in Mac review

Orange in sabie review

~~~

The standout thing here is Sloonei's theory about Michelle as the Anti-Monitor. He suggested that because she entered the lower dream level with some prepared posts from speedchuck, that she knew the arrangement of the level in advance and was being an opportunist. I think that theory was real -- Sloonei really did believe it was at least possible for Michelle to be the Anti-Monitor. And he can't have that perspective if she is his teammate.

Doubt they're teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei has been killed! He was the Master, from Fallout Mafia, by JaggedJimmyJay.

It is now Day 8.

Everyone tell me who is Sloonei's teammates and why.

working on it

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Epignosis]

If JJJ wins, we get what we deserve.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on speedchuck

Spoiler: show

Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?

Thin Mints are nasty.

This also does not compute.

SVS asked what I think of speedchuck. I think nothing of speedchuck yet, so let's fix that.

Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?

Thin Mints are nasty.

Horrendous opinion, but NAI.

speedchuck. What are you doing speedchuck. What's going on with these seven posts of yours, speedchuck.

Not a whole lot. What's going on with your

*checks*

59 why the hell.

His first on-topic post is nothing.

I would rather vote nutella than jack, because nutella will start scumreading me any minute now.

His second is similarly nothing.

Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

This is his most recent post. I'd like to see it followed up on. I can't draw any conclusions from this, or from anything in speedchuck's ISO (except that he doesn't like thin mints). Underwhelming sure, but nothing in here that makes me want to vote for him. speedchuck is a player who will contribute when he's able regardless of alignment.

@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I’m still sick and my head still hurts, so I probably won’t have a ton to say today again. This sucks.

I have an actual case against Radishes. I’ll post it if I find the energy. I have some things to say about speedchuck too. Saying those things requires less energy.

on closer inspection of speed, my thoughts haven't changed much: he's given us very little to work with, focusing on a limited range of topics. I do not fault him for that given his limited availability. There's nothing that makes me read him one way or the other. I would not campaign for his lynch.

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

What do you think about sloonei's point from a few posts ago?

Ah, didn't see that post. I can see it.

I've also said the same thing myself several times as town [citation needed but I think I have]. I might could do it this game, but I wouldn't have time to follow up if someone DID tell me what to do!

Some part of me realizes that not much good comes from 'tell me what to do' though, so I do see it now.
Is that why everyone is voting there? For a point that was made only after everyone already voted there?

It’s one of the reasons my vote has been on him.

Another is that his reads have been weak and none of them are sticking anywhere. Caveat to that is that he doesn’t know any of us, but I feel like his efforts to develop reads (see above) have been flat too.

speedchuck gripes

Spoiler: show

@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

i n t e r e s t i n g

Seriously though, chuck termed the Jacktella thing as interesting and specifically referenced tedxtr as a source of that intrigue -- without providing any actual take or stance. I don't know what the point of this observation is.

Spoiler: show

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

chuck sharted on both the Radish and nutella wagons before engaging himself in the concurrent dialogues. At face value, I think this post looks fake. He answered this accusation already. I'm not moved.

These are the two points that move me the most. speed's answer to my my "developed thoughts" question could have been written by pete buttigieg, and the strong denouncement of both wagons on a day where he's not indicated that he's heavily informed is kinda bogus, especially given that he immedaitely followed that up by shrugging in support of one of those two wagons.
I've yet to fully articulate my Radishes case. Maybe I should do that.

Bottom 5 posters:
Tranq
Dragomir
G-man
sabie
speedchuck

Colin is 6th and Michelle is just behind him. Tranq has been AWOL. Drago was, but appeared at the start of this phase. Neither of them have done anything.
I’m frankly surprised that speedchuck has more posts than sabie and G-man; I feel like those latter two have been bigger presences in the thread.

Cross kills

Makes sense.

But if we’re talking about “keeping a low profile”, I feel like Drago and Tranq don’t really fit; they’ve simply been absent (I think). G-man and speedchuck would be the names that better fit the model of “coasting”.

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Turnip Head
juliets
S~V~S
Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr
sig
Dragomir
speedchuck
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Michelle (a)
Tranq (a)
Jackofhearts2005 (b)
sabie12 (a/b)
Dom (b)
G-Man (b)
sprityo (b)

If anyone wants to actually get into some nitty gritty discussion I'm keen. If there are any reads here that are wtf let's talk.

Why is nanook in the same tier as speedchuck and drago?

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

Distinctions like this are scummy.

Disagree. I say stuff like that all the time.

idk what nanook is talking about here

@MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?

I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).

I take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.

But we need it to be more than that.

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

But we need it to be more than that.

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

No, he is exactly who sig thought he was.

Then why isn't everyone like 'ltnch sig immediately'

Lynch sig immediately.

My theory was that the Inception mechanic was triggered by sig. He's a role from Inception/Inception mafia with *secrets* and he was going to get lynched today, so he had nothing to lose.

My tinfoil about michelle was that she came into our small thread having already collected a bunch of posts from speedchuck to cast suspicion against. If sig triggered the thread-split, his teammate would have been aware it was going to happen and could have taken time to prepare a case against a vulnerable player who they knew would be in their reduced pool of players.

There's a lot of Ifs in there, so it's not something that would determine my vote under ordinary circumstances, but this phase was not ordinary circumstances.

Jack tell me why Epignosis is not Mac's teammate.

Thought you suspected speedchuck?

Bad Take

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

so the idea was put Speed and Michelle in Div 2 when Speed is already a popular lynch option and then hope that no one emerges from Div 1?

At the time I didn't know what the lynch mechanics looked like. Maybe she would have wanted a player to scapegoat down there just to be on the safe side. Then again, if Michelle is the anti-monitor and has a -2 vote on her, then the chances of her getting lynched in a 6 person thread are pretty slim to begin with.

We even got the votes to work out perfectly to test out the theory if the mechanics had been the same as Original Inception: 3 votes on Michelle and 2 on speedchuck. If Michelle was in fact the anti-monitor, speedchuck would have been our level's non-fatal lynch victim, and we would have been able to surmise that Michelle was the anti-monitor. But alas...

^that is more in response to speed’s reception of Jay just now than my own stuff, but all of it is applicable.

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for poll management

daylight saving's got me all messed up. I feel like it should only be 5 right now but my clock says 7. We seem locked in on Colin vs. speedchuck at the moment. Has anyone come up with any new points on either of them that I might have missed? If we had to pivot to a third name (assuming TH is our secret lynch), who would it be?

@Sloonei please scan the most recent few posts from Colin and speed and report your impressions.

If I was going to pick one over the other based on the previous page alone, I'd choose speedchuck. Colin's posts don't say much, but his tone is reminiscent of all those times I've driven the train over him. speedchuck was a bit more aggressive in his self-defense and I didn't find any of it particularly inspiring. He bends and shrugs at a lot of points against him and his reads weren't tremendous.

Observers: Commence to comment.

I'm keen to lynch Colin. On that front, sure. I agree with your conclusion. One question:

You noted Colin agreeing with Dyslexicon about a point against Tony. You said you sought follow-up. Later you observed Colin's Day 2 vote for Tony and said you didn't know why he placed it. And lastly you mentioned that the "Tony stuff you were looking for" was vague.

Please expand on all of that. It looks disjointed to me, and at times I struggled to follow what you were saying in general within that case.

Colin didn't bother to interact with his suspects. That's a red flag. A vote doesn't mean anything to me, especially with more than one mafia. I was looking for Colin to parse his suspicion of Tony.

This is where I am. I'll read the rest after this in about an hour. And get roaring drunk. Again.

I feel like I just spoke this post into existence.
Talk to me about ted and speedchuck.

Actually maybe there was something to my Michelle theory. I see no harm in bringing it up again. Who the hell knows at this point?
For reference:

Spoiler: show

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

But if the theory is that the anti-monitor was on level 2, then this thread’s evidence points more to Jay or G-man, I think. Certainly not speedchuck, and I’d be shocked if it was juliets. Maybe it is her.

I cannot provide a good reason to remove speedchuck from the suspect pool. All I have there is a feeling that he's in a similar spot to Colin, and that he's the most likely bait in the poll at present.

On the flip side of this, yesterday boiled down to a choice between speedchuck and colin. Colin was chosen. It's not impossible that speed is town. But numbers are dwindling and there are confident town reads outside of him.

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.

Would you confidently state that speedchuck is not the anti-monitor?

Tell me more about the yellow thing.

I would not. But sabie had at least one post where she took a definitive stance against speedchuck, which does not align with her handling of the other two members of her team.

In my exchange earlier with ted, he did the old “act incredulous in the face of moderate pressure” routine and I wasn’t a fan.

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

A vote for me on Day 2 meant nothing. G-man threw his vote away.

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

If the POE insists that I must be bad then the POE is wrong.

Could be. I sort of expected you to yell at me, at least with your Sloonei voice, about that out-of-nowhere read. So I'm probably right

I am yelling. Look how angry I am.

I don't see it as out-of-nowhere. I've been forced to reconsider my read on you. It makes sense to reconsider me as well. The POE is wrong if it includes me, and you may be fully aware of that. Walk me through why speedchuck can't be bad.

Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

I assume this is what you are talking about. I'm less familiar with speedchuck's anti-emotional stance. This post is not enough to remove him from my POE, and it's possible the emotion is genuine but he's still bad in a multiball game. I'm not sure if he'd be aligned with mac in that scenario though. So I guess if the POE is just for that team then it might make sense.

Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

I assume this is what you are talking about. I'm less familiar with speedchuck's anti-emotional stance. This post is not enough to remove him from my POE, and it's possible the emotion is genuine but he's still bad in a multiball game. I'm not sure if he'd be aligned with mac in that scenario though. So I guess if the POE is just for that team then it might make sense.

So you think he is the Anti-Monitor or just faking it? It doesn't sound fake to me but what do I know.

I doubt it was faked. Even without knowing speedchuck has a specific objection to emotional pleas, he doesn't seem like the type to say unkind things for the sake of scoring points in a game. But given the situation right now I'm not totally willing to dismiss him as a suspect for this. To be clear, it helps his case. It just does not completely absolve him in my eyes.

I don't have an answer to things right now. This game has kind of been back-burnered for me the last few days. I hope I have a chance to do solving things later. This isn't unwinnable.

"Absent" tier in Radish review

Orange in Mac review

Light green in sabie review

~~~

This reminds me in some ways of the way Sloonei treated Epignosis. When Sloonei talked about speedchuck, he really didn't say anything. That's not what I recall of his handling of Mac. I think it's telling that at the end there, when I was prepared to clear speedchuck by way of emotional outburst, that Sloonei clung to that much-needed suspect as much as he could. He knew he couldn't afford to lose that option, and it speaks well to speedchuck.

Doubt they're teammates

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Three names left and no teammates yet. Juicy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey guys promise me you'll read my posts when I'm gone k. That's all I ask.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Searching for "ted" in posts is the worst

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on tedxtr

Spoiler: show

Do you not want me to ask you questions?

Explain why this question exists

ted's response looked as if he was trying to shove me away.

I don't see that. It looks like you shoehorned that in there for attitude.

I have a suspicion of Sloonei.

How do you read him?

It doesn't move me very much. You'll see Town Sloon soon enough, and I can develop a read on you without it. If you have a specific point you'd like me to address, give it.

An accusation of you doesn't move you?

JJJ dissing Sloonei is inherently unusual and would on its own power seem to demand some kind of interchange -- one I wouldn't expect to have to press for. You suggested ted was sort of dodging you; I didn't get that impression. I saw him pose a philosophical question of general strategy (i.e. "how much can you really glean from X?") without a dismissive tone. Folks often don't know what to do with your questions, Sloonbeard, it's something that has gotten you into trouble.

Moreover, my initial spark of suspicion came as a product of "do you not want me to ask questions?". That is itself hardly an accusation, but it seems as though you bear some degree of suspicion of ted. That was unclear to me until I asked just now. Clarity is not something I am used to lacking with Sloonei.

A Day 0 poo fling from Jay is a very usual thing. But since we're here:

Spoiler: show

Could you please define this swag and also indicate where its absence can be noted?

Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.

Each of the bottom two paragraphs here struck me as suggesting discomfort from ted. You highlighted the first paragraph, which I acknowledge could be a response from a player who is not accustomed to my aggressive style of questioning. But the bottom paragraph resonated more strongly with me. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I'm observing." The wording suggests that my light pressure has put him in a spot that he does not want to be in. Whether he doesn't want to be in that spot because his reads are bogus, or because he's not accustomed to providing so much detail this early on, I do not know.

ted was town in All My Circuits and sprit's wacky social experiment thing. I should review those games.

You've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

I’m happy with the result but annoyed the day ended early because my theory will have to wait.

I don’t trust G-Man or tedexter. Ted still hasn’t answered my question. He made a point of people @ ing him to get his attention. I specifically did that and didn’t see an answer.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I’ll be absent most of now.

if i don't answer questions it's because they were most likely either answered or easily searchable. that is, if you truly wanted an answer for what you were looking for.

It doesn’t hurt to re-state things so others can have easy access to your answer.

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

tedxtr who are your strongest town reads?

I’m sitting here impatiently waiting for Dom to respond to ted’s reads and then I remembered it’s his birthday and he should be doing other things

Dom when you can, are you satisfied with the reads ted has shared? Has he answered your question?

The reason you're on the lower end is because I remember your early start that was aesthetically pleasing. I saw you had good , well-timed questions but I am sort of reluctant to town read you fully because, other than that, I honestly don't remember anything else you've done. I just remember you being there and kind of skimming your posts. I'm wanting to see some sort of aggressive push from you or something.

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

TSP's a read that's like broadly applied to my mental map of how town!lurkers approach a game as opposed to scum!lurkers. There's no scum agenda behind his posting, and with scum lurkers, the usual mentality is "ah I gotta post something good to make up for my absence" and that usually turns into awkward reads on people and shit. The reason he's that low is because I didn't like his early Jay read joke thing which read as awkward and I want to look for some form of thought process that I can easily follow through and get rid of this paranoia for his slot. It's this low because it's a general approach to reading lurkers and I need some more context to be more confident in it.

Regarding myself, I’ve definitely dropped below my desired level of play. I’ve had an annoying fever the last few days and reading this thread has literally been painful. I’m about 75% better now.

Your explanation for why you town read dizzy features a lot of reasons not to town read dizzy. Why?

I appreciate your perspective on Tony.

No it doesn't? I started out with an early scum read and I'm explaining how it turned out to be otherwise. Once my initial theory on her trying to fake bravado and seeing she dropped the shtick, after she started posting a lot, I started getting lukewarm about the slot and between skims I saw some reads that expressed the EXACT same thoughts I had (re : S~V~S) which was an uncontroversial read that it was hard explaining but I appreciated someone else having the same thought. It could be bad reasoning but I sometimes am not, uh, really mindmelding with anyone and having someone occasionally do just that just makes me instantly town read them. Been liking their progress and in hindsight, the whole "watch me slank" and this obviously not being the case is probably more town indicative, because they thought they'd have no reason to play this / just wanted to roll with the whole "i'mma have fun", but they can't stop commenting on posts to extract information. So the hypocrisy here comes from town.

I mean, it does:

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

I guess it's all one reason, but it takes up more than half of the text you wrote. That strikes me as an odd way to frame a town read.

As for your response: that makes more sense. I asked about Dizzy because I've been struggling to develop a firm read on them this game. I see lots of bouncing around but not a lot of firm reads. I don't read that as a bad thing, but it inhibits my ability to commit to a confident read of my own. I think the picture you paint here reflects a version of Town DIzzy I've seen in the past. I kinda forget what scum Dizzy looks like though.

I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.

What do you make of the whole dom/ted thing on the last page?

I don't trust speedchuck.

Any reasons you can share at the moment?

I'm about to begin a bunch of lab work, so I will try to get to your questions in a bit if I can.

Aight. I’m also interested in your thoughts on ted’s responses to my follow up questions after the exchange with dom.

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

I assume you're referring to the bit where you asked about how he presented his civilian read on Dizzy? If so, I understand why you'd be inclined to ask your question. I am not especially bothered by it on ted's part. When you asked him to expand on his town reads, he did so with a mind for the start-to-present progression which, in the case of Dizzy at least, meant that there was some degree of conflict in the read. But he landed on town -- he expanded on that further after your prod. You got beef?

A little bit. I'm getting hung up on the initial framing of his Dizzy read. It was "Dyslexicon is town. [Several lines of text explaining why Dyslexicon was previously not a town read]. Dyslexicon is town." The follow-up response was a better answer, but the first one felt like a non-answer, which recalled my Day 0 beef with ted.

A little bit. I'm getting hung up on the initial framing of his Dizzy read. It was "Dyslexicon is town. [Several lines of text explaining why Dyslexicon was previously not a town read]. Dyslexicon is town." The follow-up response was a better answer, but the first one felt like a non-answer, which recalled my Day 0 beef with ted.

I think it's important that this dialogue began when you asked him for his strongest town reads -- the genesis of these comments existing was your brain as much as or more than ted's brain. He gave a small pile of names and ordered them, and then expanded on the names you asked about. He's giving you a rundown, which could be said to go above and beyond the call of your question.

The framing may be a bit different if ted had come up with the post entirely himself: "these are my strongest town reads and [here's why they're not town]"

The framing was part of my problem. When asked to justify a town read, Ted did the opposite and explained why he had previously had a scum read. If his follow-up had been the initial response, I'd have no issue. It just feels out of sync. But to be fair, I did like each of his other two answers in that same post. I don't think I would vote for ted right now, but it's something I'm keeping in mind.

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.

I was talking about people talking about sig’s slip.

I'm doing school junk at the moment, but I'll throw my Day 0 beef with ted back into the mix because it may be relevant again:

Spoiler: show

Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.

Tone reads always have underlying reasons.

I can't tell you what I'm going to get out of anything. I do things so we can all see what happens. Do you not want me to ask you questions?

How’d you twist me explaining why tone reads are holistic and are really subjective into me not wanting you to ask me questions lol. My point was that it’s an unproductive way of sorting me, not that I wouldn’t want you to ask me questions lol

Regarding J’s request, i’ll do it some time later prob in like 30 minutes idk i have class

Cyaaaaa

Your bottom two paragraphs read like you don't want to be part of this conversation. "Don't ask me to explain these things, just accept them." I will read you, one way or another, based on what I can glean from your activity. This is our first real mafia game together. My thing is that I ask people questions. Your answers will always tell me something.

Linki: stop posting, dickbutts.

I gave ted a generic Day 0 prod and he responded more defensively than I would have expected. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing" felt particularly out of place, since the nature of my initial question was "can you explain the reads you just shared?"

I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

daylight saving's got me all messed up. I feel like it should only be 5 right now but my clock says 7. We seem locked in on Colin vs. speedchuck at the moment. Has anyone come up with any new points on either of them that I might have missed? If we had to pivot to a third name (assuming TH is our secret lynch), who would it be?

ted

I can dig it. He had some Mac compatibility and was independently suspicion at least once.

I see that he is not currently voting. tedxtr who you gonna vote for?

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

When I have caught Epi in the past, it has been because he looks to have a deliberate plan in the thread. On those occasions, he has come into the game and made posts that all seem to be angling for something in particular. I have not observed that happening in this game, but I've also never given less energy to reading Epignosis in a game before. I'll ISO him at some point. I too need to put some energy in other places right now. I'll have at least half an eye on this thing until the deadline. If anyone feels like kicking ted's tires that'd be neat, but we appear to be plunging into a colin lynch. I'm not as inspired to stop it as I was several days ago.

Observers: Commence to comment.

I'm keen to lynch Colin. On that front, sure. I agree with your conclusion. One question:

You noted Colin agreeing with Dyslexicon about a point against Tony. You said you sought follow-up. Later you observed Colin's Day 2 vote for Tony and said you didn't know why he placed it. And lastly you mentioned that the "Tony stuff you were looking for" was vague.

Please expand on all of that. It looks disjointed to me, and at times I struggled to follow what you were saying in general within that case.

Colin didn't bother to interact with his suspects. That's a red flag. A vote doesn't mean anything to me, especially with more than one mafia. I was looking for Colin to parse his suspicion of Tony.

This is where I am. I'll read the rest after this in about an hour. And get roaring drunk. Again.

I feel like I just spoke this post into existence.
Talk to me about ted and speedchuck.

When I have caught Epi in the past, it has been because he looks to have a deliberate plan in the thread. On those occasions, he has come into the game and made posts that all seem to be angling for something in particular. I have not observed that happening in this game, but I've also never given less energy to reading Epignosis in a game before. I'll ISO him at some point. I too need to put some energy in other places right now. I'll have at least half an eye on this thing until the deadline. If anyone feels like kicking ted's tires that'd be neat, but we appear to be plunging into a colin lynch. I'm not as inspired to stop it as I was several days ago.

He townread sig for a long while and then casually and quietly dropped him, if that helps

who is "he"?

Epi, the subject of your paragraph

I also talked about ted and colin, but noted

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

Wut? We had three people up for a lynch yesterday and not much movement happened outside those three names. Two of them were lynched and were town. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to be wary of people who were potentially viable but never got off the ground.

There’s also process of elimination to consider here. There are a handful of people I’d remove from my poop of Mac-teammate-suspects. You’re not one of them.

What's your INDIVIDUAL read of me?

Most of my reads right now are derived from interactive analysis. You are a player that Macdougall had almost nothing to say about, despite you having a lot of (favorable) things to say about him. That stands out to me.

Why is it impossible to believe that your hypothetical mafia team could have manipulated the thread/poll momentum yesterday?

Idgi. If mac had nothing to say to me but I was defending him, do you think that's how he treats a partner? Or someone that he wants to set up after his death? I'm obviously biased in this but I'm trying to understand why you're not reaching the same conclusion, did you make this analysis somewhere / is your explanation out there?

Mafia, in theory, anecdotally, have little to no power in shifting momentum from a player to another, it's ultimately the town's choice. and even if they pulled it off, it would out them in the process, which isn't worth it.

I mean, yeah, I did tons of work to arrive at these reads. But you were a single name in a wall of text, so I don't blame you for missing it. Here is the third and final installment in my Mac trilogy. You defended him, but he mostly ignored you and slapped an empty town read on you towards the end of his time in the game. I feel like Scum Mac would have been more inclined to interact with Town Ted if Town Ted was making such a fuss about not lynching Scum Mac.

tedxtr which team is g-man on?

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.

ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.

juicy. why? solely because of him not matching with anyone or is there something else?

ted hasn't read any of my novels

The short version is this: the only observable pattern in sabie's treatment of her two confirmed teammates (sig & radishes) is that she seemed to be actively avoiding them. This is more notable in the case of radishes, as she was prompted to talk about him multiple times but never said anything other than "I don't know." She was similarly prompted to talk about Jay a few times and never said much more than "I don't know." Jay was a big thread presence and is a player who sabie is familiar with.

lynch ted i think.

Orange in Radish review

Orange in Mac review

Light green in sabie review

~~~

More than once, Sloonei dangled ted as a token suspect. I don't think any of this looks like distancing -- it looks like bullshit. It's possible there's some real anti-monitor suspicion in there, but I am inclined to think he just wanted a lynch. It's especially evident in that last pre-mortem post.

Doubt they're teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on TonyStarkPrime

Spoiler: show

Entitled millennials don't think the rules apply to them. Typical.

Someone will tell me if there’s something in the rules I need to know

You are the champion of not reading the rules.

I remember squinting my eyes at Tony earlier. Let's look into that.

sorry tony

I’ll assume that person is scum and lynch them

I think it was this post that gave me the ole squinty eyeballs. I recall Tony making similar joke-posts early on in both Fallout and the Polka Heist, when he was bad. I took a look at the only town game I remember playing with him (Australian Murder Mystery) and he still had a few joke posts early on, but he got down to business pretty quickly. He's more on-topic after this post, but it's the "[Joke about arbitrary suspicion]" brand of post that got my attention.

This is not something that would determine my vote.

sig - S~V~S - Dys - juliets - Sloonei - TSP

maybe in that exact order

Shucks. Tell me about myself, dyslexicon, and tony.

The reason you're on the lower end is because I remember your early start that was aesthetically pleasing. I saw you had good , well-timed questions but I am sort of reluctant to town read you fully because, other than that, I honestly don't remember anything else you've done. I just remember you being there and kind of skimming your posts. I'm wanting to see some sort of aggressive push from you or something.

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

TSP's a read that's like broadly applied to my mental map of how town!lurkers approach a game as opposed to scum!lurkers. There's no scum agenda behind his posting, and with scum lurkers, the usual mentality is "ah I gotta post something good to make up for my absence" and that usually turns into awkward reads on people and shit. The reason he's that low is because I didn't like his early Jay read joke thing which read as awkward and I want to look for some form of thought process that I can easily follow through and get rid of this paranoia for his slot. It's this low because it's a general approach to reading lurkers and I need some more context to be more confident in it.

Regarding myself, I’ve definitely dropped below my desired level of play. I’ve had an annoying fever the last few days and reading this thread has literally been painful. I’m about 75% better now.

Your explanation for why you town read dizzy features a lot of reasons not to town read dizzy. Why?

I appreciate your perspective on Tony.

I picked those three names because A) I like it when people talk about me, B) Dyslexicon has been hard for me to pin down, and C) I was surprised to see Tony on the list.

I don't object to Tony's response about me. We butted heads very early on in this game, as well as in our one previous game together. It makes sense that he'd notice me and form a read on me ahead of other names.

Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. TonyStarkPrime why?

Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

No one was voting for Juliets.

Yes I know, your first vote was lamer than the second, but they're both still lame. Why TH out of all the options on the board right now?

Sloonei what do you think about Mac’s view of Jack//Radishes?

Idk, I haven’t looked into the specifics of it. I don’t care for doing teammate analysis before anyone has flipped, so I tend not to give much weight to theories like that pre-flip. I’ve also been inclined to town read jack for most of the game. In a vacuum I can see why he’d look like a viable Radish partner, but there wasn’t much one way or the other in the analysis I just did and I’ve yet to look at it from Jack’s end. I doubt I’ll get to that tonight, and I’ll be out of pocket all day tomorrow. If I make it to Day 3 I’m sure I’ll end up diving into that pool.

Why? What do you think of it?

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

this gives me tinglies

tell me about your tinglies, tony

I was on board to agree with you and Dom about it — I think Mac was going off little. But the weird mind meld in specifically this post seems to be hedging in a way that I don’t like.

I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

Because it means that — especially for high capacity players, of which everyone in this game is one, there is no incentive to slack off as there can be in a normal mafia game. Thus, our scum will be found not in those who are unusually quiet but rather those who are unusually loud.

I’m not sure I follow.

I think pursuing a “who is teammates with Radish” line is just bad strategically. It’s what the other team wants to happen. Maybe it’s like

Town: 50
Master: 25
Anti-Monitor-25

on average and we change it to

Town: 60
Master: 40

by focusing on one faction, but I think friendly fire works to our advantage.

I’m more interested in who is scum without Radish.

This is a good point to keep in mind, but at the same time my mindset is always to try to lynch the player who I think is most likely to flip scum, and we now have a clearer path to hunt Radishes team. But focusing exclusively on that for several days is a big advantage to the other team.

The case against Mac still stands and he is almost definitely not on Radishes' team.

I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

Because it means that — especially for high capacity players, of which everyone in this game is one, there is no incentive to slack off as there can be in a normal mafia game. Thus, our scum will be found not in those who are unusually quiet but rather those who are unusually loud.

I’m not sure I follow.

Basically, the “they look like they’re hunting” argument falls apart.

I definitely do not follow.

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

That’s what I’m wondering

These are the candidates to be the last remaining member of the sig/sabie/radishes team. Mac is not on that team.

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

What about the droid attack on the Wookie(e)s?

Are you bad again?

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

G-Man does worse

Hard no. And anyway, there are two members of this team remaining.

So Sloonei-- I ask you--

sig is off the table.

Who is bad? Why?

Well I voted for Michelle in our pointless thread yesterday. It was a tinfoil that would not be worth a vote under normal circumstances, but which still merits suspicious. The theory had her as the anti-monitor.

After that I intend to finish looking at Mac's interactions with folks later in the phase. I should have definitive reads then. The previous phase was a big disruption in my flow. Before that happened, Colin and Tony were names that I wanted to explore in relation to Mac.

Who is on Mac’s team?
Everybody. One or two names only. No reasoning allowed. We all have generally good instincts here, who’s given you bad vibes?

Colin and you.

caveat that i haven't been in this thread for 48 hours and plan to do interactive shit later.

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

It was a slow day.

so the idea was put Speed and Michelle in Div 2 when Speed is already a popular lynch option and then hope that no one emerges from Div 1?

At the time I didn't know what the lynch mechanics looked like. Maybe she would have wanted a player to scapegoat down there just to be on the safe side. Then again, if Michelle is the anti-monitor and has a -2 vote on her, then the chances of her getting lynched in a 6 person thread are pretty slim to begin with.

I would also like to add, though, that sig being in a 3-person thread with you (tony) and Tranq strengthens my belief that he triggered the thread split. If I was sig and I wanted a chance to survive a 3-person lylo/limbo phase (which was the mission in the original game) and I had control over one of the players that I brought with me, I'd choose Tranq 10 times out of 10 (meaning no offense. He's just been the lightest contributor and would be the most likely to simply no-show).

I thought it was a train

the first extraction scene at the beginning of the movie takes place on a train, if i remember correctly.

alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.

Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes

What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?

Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.

The confirmed scum player has no reason to lie?

I’m interested in the high compatibility bit. Hopefully I’ll look into it myself one of these days.

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

I’m willing to bet that Nanook was not hit directly by a scum kill from the AM, so we might be able to just clear this out

That is my assumption as well. But I'm not sure what we're clearing out here.

So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.

I’m confused by the second half of this post. Why does the lack of revival have anything to do with the anti-monitor?

Dom, Tony, and Epi are the names I'm least confident in after you (if we're accepting TH's claim about targeting Michelle). She only mentioned those three in a list of town reads when I specifically asked her for them.

I've read everything but Sloonei's latest novel. I am current other than that.

I really don’t expect everyone to read all that nonsense. The rainbow list at the end tells you what’s essential.

Sloonei, could you very honestly do a slight addendum where you analyze Sabie’s views on you?

Nope. Be my guest if you’d like to do it.

Tony was in limbo with sig.

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

So g-man is going to vote for JJJ last second

Oh no, I’m staying put. I don’t want to tarnish all the beautiful content that my actions initiated for you to analyze after I’m gone.

take 5 bomb

or he's the anti-monitor

I don't know if we have enough people present to mount a new wagon

This isn't a new wagon. This is a backup in case G-man freezes the poll on us.

Town read on tony right now, I think.

Right now no matter what g man’s role is his best strat is to triple pull those with votes. If he’s voting for himself it’s probably to protect JJJ.

resulting in no lynch?

Orange in Radishes review

Red in Mac review / But then up to light green in part 3

Yellow in sabie review

~~~

And Sloonei meanders to nowhere. Sloonei's read on Tony is some intermittent radio signal fuzz that on occasion clears up but is then lost again quickly thereafter. He seemed to have serious suspicions of Tony -- he called him one of the best candidates to be teamed with Mac (before reneging on that in the very next novel post), and he went nowhere at all with that suspicion. He viewed Tony as compatible with Radishes, and he did nothing with that either.

Got one.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei on Tranq

Spoiler: show

I forgot Tranq was playing. Tranq, get in here.

Bottom 5 posters:
Tranq
Dragomir
G-man
sabie
speedchuck

Colin is 6th and Michelle is just behind him. Tranq has been AWOL. Drago was, but appeared at the start of this phase. Neither of them have done anything.
I’m frankly surprised that speedchuck has more posts than sabie and G-man; I feel like those latter two have been bigger presences in the thread.

Cross kills

Makes sense.

But if we’re talking about “keeping a low profile”, I feel like Drago and Tranq don’t really fit; they’ve simply been absent (I think). G-man and speedchuck would be the names that better fit the model of “coasting”.

I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Hey wait why?

Opinions please:

I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Very hard to read much into that. It could be scum who's happy to see an easy parking spot for their vote, or it could be a civilian who hasn't been around and is happy to see that people who are paying attention share a hunch with him. Tranq and Drago are complete shrugs.

i have no significant game experience with tranq so i can't make any meta assessments.

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

What distinguishes scum lurking from town lurking?

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

I would also like to add, though, that sig being in a 3-person thread with you (tony) and Tranq strengthens my belief that he triggered the thread split. If I was sig and I wanted a chance to survive a 3-person lylo/limbo phase (which was the mission in the original game) and I had control over one of the players that I brought with me, I'd choose Tranq 10 times out of 10 (meaning no offense. He's just been the lightest contributor and would be the most likely to simply no-show).

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

Absent in Radish review

Light green in Mac review

Light green in sabie review

~~~

As usual with Tranq, there's little to talk about here. I highlighted one post that I really disliked -- Sloonei answered my call for opinions on a Tranq post with a worthless waffle of nothing. Overall this doesn't scream at me, but they can be teammates.

Compatible

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Here's a three-player POE pool for the Master team:

TonyStarkPrime
Tranq
juliets

I include juliets, because there's a chance I've just been flat wrong about her in this game. The argument is there even if I don't find it convincing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I get the impression you people are going to make this day phase an absolute snore. I hope you wake up when it counts.