Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Long Con]

I do not understand the value of a no-lynch. A no-lynch serves a very specific purpose, and Day 1 is never it.

If we mislynch, mafia follow up on it. We make the decisions, mafia capitalize.

If we no-lynch, mafia has to make the decision. We get to capitalize on the info that gives us.

This "capitalize" is very vague to me. I don't think these distinctions have as clear-cut a follow-up as you are laying it out here. I don't even really think this discussion is all that useful.

[Long Con]

The pace of this game
Will be set by mafia
Not much we can do.

I see you are speaking words here.

[Epignosis]

Question for the field:

What did i miss huh?
I did not submit a poem
I mean haiku. oops.

If you are mafia, is your first move to admit that you did not submit a poem?

If he only skimmed the host post, possibly. I don't think ANYONE regardless of affiliation would admit that unless they had skimmed the host post. It is possible he came in before hitting the chat, or even that no one was in the chat.

And Chuck, LC, is it true that Chuck and Sprit made the same error regarding DH originating the RR?

linki @ DH, yeah.

I think that, with certain exceptions, mafia tend to be somewhat more careful than civilians. sprityo followed the above up with this:

naw i didnt submit one, im a sitting duck. What can i say? i dont like haikus. that and i didnt believe it'd actually do something


You think im a smart person?

And then this:

i'd hope i dont get lynched day 1, im super excited about playing!

This indicates to me that sprityo is playing loose and not really paying attention. Look at that last quote: He hopes he doesn't get lynched Day 1 because he's super excited about playing? Was he unaware that getting lynched would not preclude him from playing further?

If you think sprityo is bad, then I think you either have to make the argument that these posts are fake, or that sprityo is completely comfortable playing the loose cannon and depriving his team of one of his lives and abilities this early, even though Days 1 generate the easiest civilian lynches.

I don't think either one of those things is the case.

[Long Con]

I do not understand the value of a no-lynch. A no-lynch serves a very specific purpose, and Day 1 is never it.

If we mislynch, mafia follow up on it. We make the decisions, mafia capitalize.

If we no-lynch, mafia has to make the decision. We get to capitalize on the info that gives us.

What info? Mafia kills someone, you learn a discarded role, and then what? Not lynch the person who drew the kill even though he or she has a new role and possibly a new alignment?

New role, sure. New alignment, not super likely, unless this game is completely broken. If people can't defect FROM scum, then most aren't likely to defect TO scum.

Then again, in that unlikely circumstance, if that person they nightkilled doesn't get nightkilled the next night, we might think something's up.

Mafia will be setting the pace, giving us something to go off of. Not much, but it's something.

You may not think it's worth it. You may be right. But these are not normal circumstances, and it's worth thinking about.

The way I would design such a game is that there would the baddie team(s) would begin with a diminished size, designed to grow to a balance as the second lives emerge.

Hmm... having said that, what if the Civ-who-will-turn-bad end up surviving and winning on their first lives? One way to help force the issue would be to have certain Civ roles that are guaranteed to make the second-life transition. colonialbob, you might just be such a role. Better hedge your bets.

[Long Con]

Question for the field:

What did i miss huh?
I did not submit a poem
I mean haiku. oops.

If you are mafia, is your first move to admit that you did not submit a poem?

If he only skimmed the host post, possibly. I don't think ANYONE regardless of affiliation would admit that unless they had skimmed the host post. It is possible he came in before hitting the chat, or even that no one was in the chat.

And Chuck, LC, is it true that Chuck and Sprit made the same error regarding DH originating the RR?

linki @ DH, yeah.

I think that, with certain exceptions, mafia tend to be somewhat more careful than civilians...

I think that a player's personality is a much greater factor in deciding how they play. Even if your theory is right, I'd arbitrarily put it at 3% alignment-related, 96% personality-related, 1% zodiac-sign-related.

[nutella]

Does anyone else have opinions on the no-lynch?

I know there's no option, but we could pile all our votes on an invincible person. Like me.

yeah, that's fine with me. I really think sprityo is civ (especially with the points Epi just made) and also claimed to have a cool role, and I think probably everyone else is immune and I'd rather have a no-lynch than lynch a civ.

[DharmaHelper]

No civ will be lynched
I make this prediction now
This was a haiku

[Epignosis]

Dom's entire post history here could almost be a haiku.

I bet he didn't submit one.

[Golden]

Will the dead return
the moment they are killed off
Or will they delay

All players may continue posting when their 1st role dies. The player is not dead until both of their roles are dead.

[speedchuck]

For all you know, speedchuck, there could be two active mafia in BTSC right now. One here and one in the other tribe. That could easily mean three potential recruits from the dead coming back evil.

What I am saying is that you cannot make assumptions about what mafia will do with their kills because of assumptions you are making regarding the setup.

It would be hilarious, then, if the 3 recruits slipped the radar and we lynched the two mafia early.

But I suppose we can wait and see.

If there are a lot of recruits, then our lynches might backfire even more catastrophically.

[DharmaHelper]

Will the dead return
the moment they are killed off
Or will they delay

All players may continue posting when their 1st role dies. The player is not dead until both of their roles are dead.

Well that settles it
With no way to protect them
Civs we lynch are boned

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
Long Con
sprityo
S~V~S
Quin
Epignosis
nutella
Dragon D Luffy
Dharmahelper
colonialbob
dom

Readlist

[DharmaHelper]

Only thing worse than the
Gross, nauseating vote tag
Is a rainbow list.

[DharmaHelper]

If you can, explain
Why my name is in yellow
on your silly list.

[DharmaHelper]

Only thing worse than the
Gross, nauseating vote tag
Is a rainbow list.

No, I take this back
at least the rainbow lists dont
make me want to quit

[speedchuck]

If you can, explain
Why my name is in yellow
on your silly list.

It is kinda hard
to get a solid read on you
Good haikus though.

[Epignosis]

We can approach this Day as though it is Day 2 and colonialbob was lynched Day 1.

DDL had something of a negative reaction to colonialbob, but colonialbob didn't appear to suspect DDL for it. Then colonialbob voted sprityo.

For someone who basically got outed as a civilian until at least Day 6, that wasn't a very useful read.

[DharmaHelper]

These haikus will die
When the clock strikes five-four-five
Negan will return

[Epignosis]

I have no suspicion of colonialbob or sprityo.

I have mild suspicion of S~V~S, because she's S~V~S. And because she expects me to suspect people over punctuation (it's 2018, not 2014), and also because I think I made a compelling argument in favor of sprityo being a civilian and she's still parked there knowing he could get lynched.

I have a mild suspicion of DDL based on his interactions with colonialbob and because he said:

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

He feels pretty low key so imma start here.

And hasn't gone anywhere since.

I have a moderate suspicion of Dom. I know he can be quiet. I don't care. This is the Game of Champions.

I have a moderate suspicion of speedchuck, which may well be because he is not seeing things the same way I am (read: correctly), and so that may be coloring my opinion of him. However, his suggestion of a "no-lynch" is objectively awful, especially in a game that won't be over until Simon graduates high school.

I have no opinion of anyone else.

[speedchuck]

Whoa poll ends in like less than 10 minutes

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

I could go for this

[Epignosis]

I took a quick look at Quin and I have a mild suspicion of him. He's been on the sidelines despite posting a fair bit.

[Long Con]

Well, a Quin vote would make him a contender.

[speedchuck]

Or that. Epi, you and I are the only ones here with 3 minutes left. I'll vote wherever you do to set up another second place lynch that isn't sprityo or SVS

[speedchuck]

Yeah, okay

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

I don't want sprityo lynched because of the two votes on him, if things work that way.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

For the love of God
Please end this Aubergine Hell
This is not a joke.

[speedchuck]

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

[DharmaHelper]

What a sudden push
To vote for quin to be lynched
Not suspish at all.

[speedchuck]

I didn't realize the poll would be ending at this time.

Sorta feel bad for Quin. He's asleep

[Epignosis]

What a sudden push
To vote for quin to be lynched
Not suspish at all.

Bitch I had to vote somewhere. I don't want sprityo lynched. I think that's a poor choice.

[DharmaHelper]

I didn't realize the poll would be ending at this time.

Sorta feel bad for Quin. He's asleep

You feel bad for quin
Evidently not enough
To not railroad him

[Epignosis]

I didn't realize the poll would be ending at this time.

Sorta feel bad for Quin. He's asleep

If he followed instructions and sent in a haiku, he's fine.

If he didn't, we'll see things.

[Long Con]

I didn't realize the poll would be ending at this time.

Sorta feel bad for Quin. He's asleep

Not really. Unless he somehow didn't send in a haiku.

Linki:

[Golden]

“Aubergine auber
gine aubergine aubergine
aubergine auber” said Dharmahelper

“Let’s find those weak links,
the ones who don’t read the rules
are problematic” said SVS

“Guys, this isn’t haiku mafia” said Epignosis “ we can talk normally. Has anyone given thought to exactly how we catch macs killer?”

“A top civilian,
a baddie, the same to me.
Cos I’m colourblind” said Quin

“What fool would admit
that they didn’t write haiku
anyone would lie” said Long Con

“Guys, I didn’t write a haiku” said sprityo

“Guys, we no longer need to write haiku” said Epignosis.

“Let’s talk mechanics
in a circular fashion.
I convinced myself” said speedchuck.

“Has anyone seen
this neat Aubergine tumblr
out here in Fiji” said Nutella

“Anyone for speaking normally? Anyone at all?” Asked Epignosis.

“Guys, where are we?” asked colonialbob.

“I am Dom” said dom, who was still a little dazed from his late dash to make the train, only to have the situation escalate before his eyes.

“There’s only one thing for it” said DDL. Either we do a round robin, or we don’t. I, for one, am of a firm opinion on that point.”

“I really didn’t write a haiku” said sprityo “and now I’m sad.”

“I really did write a haiku” said speedchuck. “Probably. But please don’t lynch me. Or do lynch me. I’m still working on this circle.”

“All I can say is
avenging MacDougalls life
is a noble cause” said dharmahelper
“And also, that train carriage is the shiniest grey and now I’ve gone blind.”

Everyone agreed - avenging Mac’s death has to be the first priority, and so they took a public vote on who was most likely to be responsible.

Day 1 has ended. Quin has not been lynched (he paid the entry fee).

It is now night 1. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in.

[Epignosis]

speedchuck, if you are immune, why did you vote Quin?

[DharmaHelper]

OK Great now I'll say this:

I'm not going to use the vote tag in subsequent votes, regardless of what the hosts decide to do or not do to address the tag. It's gross looking, distracting to me, and legitimately makes me feel disoriented when I look at it. I don't like it and I won't be using it.

Anyway. Easily predictable result. Very sketchy literally-last-minute push to vote for Quin, a guy who really didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I can recall and was not here/could not conceivably defend himself from a push like that with maybe 90 seconds on the clock.

[Epignosis]

OK Great now I'll say this:

I'm not going to use the vote tag in subsequent votes, regardless of what the hosts decide to do or not do to address the tag. It's gross looking, distracting to me, and legitimately makes me feel disoriented when I look at it. I don't like it and I won't be using it.

Anyway. Easily predictable result. Very sketchy literally-last-minute push to vote for Quin, a guy who really didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I can recall and was not here/could not conceivably defend himself from a push like that with maybe 90 seconds on the clock.

Easily predictable result huh?

Was Quin a civilian or not?

[DharmaHelper]

OK Great now I'll say this:

I'm not going to use the vote tag in subsequent votes, regardless of what the hosts decide to do or not do to address the tag. It's gross looking, distracting to me, and legitimately makes me feel disoriented when I look at it. I don't like it and I won't be using it.

Anyway. Easily predictable result. Very sketchy literally-last-minute push to vote for Quin, a guy who really didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I can recall and was not here/could not conceivably defend himself from a push like that with maybe 90 seconds on the clock.

Easily predictable result huh?

Was Quin a civilian or not?

What does that have to do with anything?

[Epignosis]

OK Great now I'll say this:

I'm not going to use the vote tag in subsequent votes, regardless of what the hosts decide to do or not do to address the tag. It's gross looking, distracting to me, and legitimately makes me feel disoriented when I look at it. I don't like it and I won't be using it.

Anyway. Easily predictable result. Very sketchy literally-last-minute push to vote for Quin, a guy who really didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I can recall and was not here/could not conceivably defend himself from a push like that with maybe 90 seconds on the clock.

Easily predictable result huh?

Was Quin a civilian or not?

What does that have to do with anything?

How was the result predictable?

[DharmaHelper]

OK Great now I'll say this:

I'm not going to use the vote tag in subsequent votes, regardless of what the hosts decide to do or not do to address the tag. It's gross looking, distracting to me, and legitimately makes me feel disoriented when I look at it. I don't like it and I won't be using it.

Anyway. Easily predictable result. Very sketchy literally-last-minute push to vote for Quin, a guy who really didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I can recall and was not here/could not conceivably defend himself from a push like that with maybe 90 seconds on the clock.

Easily predictable result huh?

Was Quin a civilian or not?

What does that have to do with anything?

How was the result predictable?

There was no result. Which is what was easily predictable. A no lynch. A dud. Quin survived. Huzzah.

[Epignosis]

OK Great now I'll say this:

I'm not going to use the vote tag in subsequent votes, regardless of what the hosts decide to do or not do to address the tag. It's gross looking, distracting to me, and legitimately makes me feel disoriented when I look at it. I don't like it and I won't be using it.

Anyway. Easily predictable result. Very sketchy literally-last-minute push to vote for Quin, a guy who really didn't ruffle any feathers as far as I can recall and was not here/could not conceivably defend himself from a push like that with maybe 90 seconds on the clock.

Easily predictable result huh?

Was Quin a civilian or not?

What does that have to do with anything?

How was the result predictable?

There was no result. Which is what was easily predictable. A no lynch. A dud. Quin survived. Huzzah.

Did you expect speedchuck to survive if he got the most votes?

[DharmaHelper]

I was leaning that way until you guys practically tripped over your dongs to put votes on Quin.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean literally my first post in this game was that I was gonna be inactive day 1.

And I'm dead right now so I'm not catching up. Later.

[Epignosis]

I was leaning that way until you guys practically tripped over your dongs to put votes on Quin.

I would have voted speedchuck had sprityo not had two votes.

[DharmaHelper]

I was leaning that way until you guys practically tripped over your dongs to put votes on Quin.

I would have voted speedchuck had sprityo not had two votes.

What's that got to do with anything

[Epignosis]

I was leaning that way until you guys practically tripped over your dongs to put votes on Quin.

I would have voted speedchuck had sprityo not had two votes.

What's that got to do with anything

I don't know. You're the one acting like some suspicious shit was going on. You tell me.

[DharmaHelper]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

[Quin]

huh. okay.