Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:59 am
In my reread, and golden just reminded me, I forgot that one of the other D1 trains that Colin voted off wagon was for nova.
Another -1 for nova
Let’s all vote nova
Colin did the same to me, but I'm not scum. So I don't know if I buy it. I think he was trying to pin suspicion on easy-lynch townies
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
This is a fair point on one hand in some games and with some personalities. On the other hand, Epi had 5 votes, sig had 4 and nova had 4. There was only 10 minutes left. It could be safely assumed the vote was all wrung up without his hands getting dirty at all.
But yes, on that one hand, knowing sig and epi were both good may make a good case for nova's innocence too.
Um what being 1 vote behind with 10 min left isn't a safe position whatsoever - as an example see that very lynch where Sig was lynched over Epi.
Colin did the same to me, but I'm not scum. So I don't know if I buy it. I think he was trying to pin suspicion on easy-lynch townies
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
This is a fair point on one hand in some games and with some personalities. On the other hand, Epi had 5 votes, sig had 4 and nova had 4. There was only 10 minutes left. It could be safely assumed the vote was all wrung up without his hands getting dirty at all.
But yes, on that one hand, knowing sig and epi were both good may make a good case for nova's innocence too.
Um what being 1 vote behind with 10 min left isn't a safe position whatsoever - as an example see that very lynch where Sig was lynched over Epi.
This reasoning is Oscar Mayer.
yeah the more I think of it, that's a terrible idea in a crazy active D1 EoD.
I'm retracting some stuff.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:59 am
In my reread, and golden just reminded me, I forgot that one of the other D1 trains that Colin voted off wagon was for nova.
Another -1 for nova
Let’s all vote nova
Colin did the same to me, but I'm not scum. So I don't know if I buy it. I think he was trying to pin suspicion on easy-lynch townies
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
Traceability. Baddies worry about being caught saving a teammate in such situations.
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:59 am
In my reread, and golden just reminded me, I forgot that one of the other D1 trains that Colin voted off wagon was for nova.
Another -1 for nova
Let’s all vote nova
Colin did the same to me, but I'm not scum. So I don't know if I buy it. I think he was trying to pin suspicion on easy-lynch townies
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
Traceability. Baddies worry about being caught saving a teammate in such situations.
But he didn't save anybody is my point. His vote on Luna did literally nothing to help stop nova from being lynched.
It’s a little uninspiring that, for all the conversation we’ve had today, the two leading wagons at this point are on the two players who haven’t said anything in their own defense. Part of me wants to shake this up for the sake of shaking it up, but I don’t buy the Luna case and am starting to back off the nova arguments as well.
One plus that’s come out of this all is that I have a town read on colonialbob.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:29 pm
It’s a little uninspiring that, for all the conversation we’ve had today, the two leading wagons at this point are on the two players who haven’t said anything in their own defense. Part of me wants to shake this up for the sake of shaking it up, but I don’t buy the Luna case and am starting to back off the nova arguments as well.
One plus that’s come out of this all is that I have a town read on colonialbob.
I also have a townread on cbob based on today.
Sloonei, let’s work together like old times
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Colin did the same to me, but I'm not scum. So I don't know if I buy it. I think he was trying to pin suspicion on easy-lynch townies
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
Traceability. Baddies worry about being caught saving a teammate in such situations.
But he didn't save anybody is my point. His vote on Luna did literally nothing to help stop nova from being lynched.
If he'd actually saved nova it would be traceable. The idea was to NOT save nova, because then they'd be linked. But he also didn't want to destabilize a precarious situation.
It's a theory but it's common behaviour. It's why I switched from Epignosis to sig at the end of day.
Choutas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:07 pm
Sloonei looks bad to me. How he jumped on the bandwagon because I voted for him the previous day.
I just don't like him at all.
This is the last post that @Choutas made. He accused me of jumping on his bandwagon after I had ISO’d several players and assessed him to be a worthy vote candidate based on his (lack of) interaction with colin.
I don’t expect him to come back with a full list of reads, but I would like it if he came back and said anything to substanitate any of the reads he’s expresses so far in this game.
I have no reads I have no life I have nothing.
I feel a tad better towards you for undisclosed reasons.
Choutas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:07 pm
Sloonei looks bad to me. How he jumped on the bandwagon because I voted for him the previous day.
I just don't like him at all.
This is the last post that @Choutas made. He accused me of jumping on his bandwagon after I had ISO’d several players and assessed him to be a worthy vote candidate based on his (lack of) interaction with colin.
I don’t expect him to come back with a full list of reads, but I would like it if he came back and said anything to substanitate any of the reads he’s expresses so far in this game.
I have no reads I have no life I have nothing.
I feel a tad better towards you for undisclosed reasons.
Admittedly I play like a veteran.
Do you have any impression on things that are happening in here right now?
Daisy's stuff reminds me of me a bit. I can make those kind of statements town or bad - they are very strong ones as town, and also good at saving you when bad, because they can dissuade people.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:29 pm
It’s a little uninspiring that, for all the conversation we’ve had today, the two leading wagons at this point are on the two players who haven’t said anything in their own defense. Part of me wants to shake this up for the sake of shaking it up, but I don’t buy the Luna case and am starting to back off the nova arguments as well.
One plus that’s come out of this all is that I have a town read on colonialbob.
I also have a townread on cbob based on today.
Sloonei, let’s work together like old times
We’re both currently voting for choutas. Why are you doing that, and who would your second choice be if you’ve changed your mind on nova?
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
Traceability. Baddies worry about being caught saving a teammate in such situations.
But he didn't save anybody is my point. His vote on Luna did literally nothing to help stop nova from being lynched.
If he'd actually saved nova it would be traceable. The idea was to NOT save nova, because then they'd be linked. But he also didn't want to destabilize a precarious situation.
It's a theory but it's common behaviour. It's why I switched from Epignosis to sig at the end of day.
He voted for you, he didn't save you from being lynched, so there's a difference between your situation and nova's.
Wait did Colin vote for Nova at some point? Or are you saying he voted for Luna instead of voting for the actual wagons, one of whom was nova?
The latter.
Doesn't saving typically involve actions that help your teammate not get lynched? If he was saving nova, why not vote one of the other popular trains?
(Keeping in mind I wasn't in the game until D2 so I might be missing some understanding of how the lynch went down)
Traceability. Baddies worry about being caught saving a teammate in such situations.
But he didn't save anybody is my point. His vote on Luna did literally nothing to help stop nova from being lynched.
If he'd actually saved nova it would be traceable. The idea was to NOT save nova, because then they'd be linked. But he also didn't want to destabilize a precarious situation.
It's a theory but it's common behaviour. It's why I switched from Epignosis to sig at the end of day.
Then comes the question: why kill Epi? Does killing Epi hurt or help this “untraceable” vote?
There must have been some shenanigans in play, because I honestly feel like Epi was a terrible kill regardless
Anyway.
I can see the narrative where all 3 o the leading lynchees are civ
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
How does this not make sense to you bob? If you don’t get it your thevone taking the crazy pills. It’s literally how I caught Colin.
It’s the value of a tie. Baddies don’t want to break them, especially if their own baddie teammates are amongst it. I caught Colin because he wanted vote amongst those three. The most likely reason is that he had a teammate among them. Baddies are hesitant to make a late vote to save their teammate. Town aren’t because they don’t know who is bad.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:29 pm
It’s a little uninspiring that, for all the conversation we’ve had today, the two leading wagons at this point are on the two players who haven’t said anything in their own defense. Part of me wants to shake this up for the sake of shaking it up, but I don’t buy the Luna case and am starting to back off the nova arguments as well.
One plus that’s come out of this all is that I have a town read on colonialbob.
I also have a townread on cbob based on today.
Sloonei, let’s work together like old times
We’re both currently voting for choutas. Why are you doing that, and who would your second choice be if you’ve changed your mind on nova?
I’m making a leap of faith because we did a similar thing with Colin when he wasn’t around to defend himself.
Also, I’m testing Turnip Head. He’s been flitting back and forth to choutas for a few phases now and want to see if the cocoon that he’s been hiding in is rotten
If not choutas, then dunya just on my tinfoil relation to Colin’s first player salad. Not a whole much else to go on tho
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
I bet my Greek beauty that there is at least one scum vote in the Greek's bandwagon. Especially since two people I acknowledge as excellent players participate in it(Dunya and Sloonei). Out of the four I'm dead certain somebody is jumping straight on it.
That's my two cents, fwiw you'd be making me a favour to lynch me like I get the green signal to stop participating at last.
I see what you are saying, Golden, but I don’t think colin’s discomfort with the Day 1 vote necessitates a baddie nova. It could just as easily suggest that colin didn’t want to be held accountable foe the lynch of a civilian. That plan backfired. More often than not I feel like arguments about teammate saves are unconvincing. A very recent example is when half the town in the GoC was convinced that Scotty or I had tried to orchestrate a cros-tribe save of LC. That stuff is tricky and doesn’t happen as often as it’s talked about, in my experience.
Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:52 pm
I bet my Greek beauty that there is at least one scum vote in the Greek's bandwagon. Especially since two people I acknowledge as excellent players participate in it(Dunya and Sloonei). Out of the four I'm dead certain somebody is jumping straight on it.
That's my two cents, fwiw you'd be making me a favour to lynch me like I get the green signal to stop participating at last.
Choutas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:07 pm
Sloonei looks bad to me. How he jumped on the bandwagon because I voted for him the previous day.
I just don't like him at all.
This is the last post that @Choutas made. He accused me of jumping on his bandwagon after I had ISO’d several players and assessed him to be a worthy vote candidate based on his (lack of) interaction with colin.
I don’t expect him to come back with a full list of reads, but I would like it if he came back and said anything to substanitate any of the reads he’s expresses so far in this game.
I have no reads I have no life I have nothing.
I feel a tad better towards you for undisclosed reasons.
Admittedly I play like a veteran.
Do you have any impression on things that are happening in here right now?
I know I became the prime suspect and you played a vital role. Apart from that no I have little to no knowledge about other things. One thing is for certain you guys stink.
Choutas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:07 pm
Sloonei looks bad to me. How he jumped on the bandwagon because I voted for him the previous day.
I just don't like him at all.
This is the last post that @Choutas made. He accused me of jumping on his bandwagon after I had ISO’d several players and assessed him to be a worthy vote candidate based on his (lack of) interaction with colin.
I don’t expect him to come back with a full list of reads, but I would like it if he came back and said anything to substanitate any of the reads he’s expresses so far in this game.
I have no reads I have no life I have nothing.
I feel a tad better towards you for undisclosed reasons.
Admittedly I play like a veteran.
Do you have any impression on things that are happening in here right now?
I know I became the prime suspect and you played a vital role. Apart from that no I have little to no knowledge about other things. One thing is for certain you guys stink.
But yesterday you accused me of “jumping on the bandwagon.” Am I playing a vital role ir am I following others?
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:02 pm
ugh, so there's a Choutas bandwagon train that I started. I have very bad experiences with fast bandwagons that I start.
gonna catch up and see what happened but that's like, 5 pages. so hopefully there's time.
anyone link me to the case against SD? I iso'd her yesterday but couldn't form an opinion on her alignment.
This isn’t new. There were like 4 votes for him yesterday. It’s not like it’s out of the blue.
Plus his recent posts make me feel comfortable where I am
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
I was expecting some tags from Scotty. I've asked him several times to explain his stance on me and he hasn't. I'm unimpressed with this push on nova and vote for Choutas and ignoring me.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:03 pm
I was expecting some tags from Scotty. I've asked him several times to explain his stance on me and he hasn't. I'm unimpressed with this push on nova and vote for Choutas and ignoring me.
Huh? I think you’re bad circumstantially and it’s not really something you can defend.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:27 pm
I don't want to lynch Spacedaisy. She's provided some keen insight even if she hasn't posted much.
Buuuut, I don't want more of that keen insight, or my mind will likely change.
you don't want more keen insight from her? what keen insight has she offered? I didnt see much any when I iso'd her so it would be helpful to see what you're seeing.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:03 pm
I was expecting some tags from Scotty. I've asked him several times to explain his stance on me and he hasn't. I'm unimpressed with this push on nova and vote for Choutas and ignoring me.
Huh? I think you’re bad circumstantially and it’s not really something you can defend.
Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:49 pm
How does this not make sense to you bob? If you don’t get it your thevone taking the crazy pills. It’s literally how I caught Colin.
It’s the value of a tie. Baddies don’t want to break them, especially if their own baddie teammates are amongst it. I caught Colin because he wanted vote amongst those three. The most likely reason is that he had a teammate among them. Baddies are hesitant to make a late vote to save their teammate. Town aren’t because they don’t know who is bad.
Because you said you were suspicious of nova because Colin saved her, then said the idea was NOT to save her. Look at the highlighted portion of my last post in contrast to your statement (top vs bottom of the pyramid).
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:10 pm
I will say I don't think we should lynch Daisy, she's been an under-the-radar baddo before but she has a different bite here imo. Busy towner with a boring role methinks
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:10 pm
I will say I don't think we should lynch Daisy, she's been an under-the-radar baddo before but she has a different bite here imo. Busy towner with a boring role methinks
Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:49 pm
How does this not make sense to you bob? If you don’t get it your thevone taking the crazy pills. It’s literally how I caught Colin.
It’s the value of a tie. Baddies don’t want to break them, especially if their own baddie teammates are amongst it. I caught Colin because he wanted vote amongst those three. The most likely reason is that he had a teammate among them. Baddies are hesitant to make a late vote to save their teammate. Town aren’t because they don’t know who is bad.
Because you said you were suspicious of nova because Colin saved her, then said the idea was NOT to save her. Look at the highlighted portion of my last post in contrast to your statement (top vs bottom of the pyramid).
It’s all shades of the same colour. Olive is still green. Nova was one vote behind, if Colin voted that way it could have shifted the lynch.
Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:52 pm
I bet my Greek beauty that there is at least one scum vote in the Greek's bandwagon. Especially since two people I acknowledge as excellent players participate in it(Dunya and Sloonei). Out of the four I'm dead certain somebody is jumping straight on it.
That's my two cents, fwiw you'd be making me a favour to lynch me like I get the green signal to stop participating at last.
Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 3:49 pm
How does this not make sense to you bob? If you don’t get it your thevone taking the crazy pills. It’s literally how I caught Colin.
It’s the value of a tie. Baddies don’t want to break them, especially if their own baddie teammates are amongst it. I caught Colin because he wanted vote amongst those three. The most likely reason is that he had a teammate among them. Baddies are hesitant to make a late vote to save their teammate. Town aren’t because they don’t know who is bad.
Because you said you were suspicious of nova because Colin saved her, then said the idea was NOT to save her. Look at the highlighted portion of my last post in contrast to your statement (top vs bottom of the pyramid).
It’s all shades of the same colour. Olive is still green. Nova was one vote behind, if Colin voted that way it could have shifted the lynch.
K I'm just gonna drop this because I feel like we're going down a hole with no upside. I don't think Colin's vote on D1 indicates nova is scum in any way. You disagree. Let's leave it at that for now.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:48 am
I've been too busy to keep up with day 4. Hopefully I'll be around enough to make an informed vote. If someone wants to give me a good reason to move my vote off dunya, I'll consider.
huh? you need a "good reason" to move your vote off me? what was your "good reason" to place a vote ON me? wasn't it your placeholder vote? this stinks.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:36 am
Scottys a lil twitchy
I don’t like heat for no reason. I keep my blankets close on the couch
I said Night 3 why I think you're bad though. This is not no reason.
Oh, that thing about my interactions with and parked vote on Epi D1? Right. It’s my D1. If you scum read me from day 1, you’re doing it wrong. Sorry if I don’t view that as a legitimate reason to vote me.
Day 1 is not irrelevant, it's part of the game.
Like, the argument you're making here is that your behavior may be suspect, but it gets a pass because Day1.
yea, let's do a recap of how many times Scotty has used D1 events and posts to back up suspicions.
D1 is one of the most important days, especially an active D1.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:19 pm
@Spacedaisy Did you catch up ?
Nope. And I probably won't. Don't let that keep you from voting me if you feel like I'm bad. I mean I can be a pretty crafty baddie. But I'm not about to hide behind inactivity, fwiw. My lack of activity is just because of outside stuffs. If you find me bad, vote me. Don't let my shitty time management keep you from it.
Spacedaisy's tone here makes me think she's scum, and trying to dispel suspicion by daring anyone to call her bluff. I'm going to [VOTE:
spacedaisy] aubergine for now.
i pretty much agree with this analysis of spacedaisy's post here. it didn't feel good to me. it didn't feel like a warm, reasonable reason to want to die. I don't trust it.
i see
