The Syndicate

fingersplints wrote:LC - I thought you were playing a really good game. I was going to target you N3 for it, but couldn't bring myself to do it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, I agree you played an awesome game as 1.0 and 2.0. Honestly, I think if you remove the recruiting element completely from the game, civvies would have very likely had a win here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, that's probably true. Dom as The Master would have been the hardest element to get rid of, I believe, since he was so off of everyone's suspicion for so long.

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:LC - I thought you were playing a really good game. I was going to target you N3 for it, but couldn't bring myself to do it.

I appreciate that!

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, I agree you played an awesome game as 1.0 and 2.0. Honestly, I think if you remove the recruiting element completely from the game, civvies would have very likely had a win here.

No doubt about it! We just needed to take out Hedge early and it was unquestionably the Civvies' game.

I have to learn from this game to inform my baddie game, clearly being a little quieter makes a world of difference. Maybe I should miss the first couple of days of every game I play, and spend the next couple 'catching up'.

keys56000000000 wrote:I hear there has been some nastiness behind the scenes and that Chris has been subsequently banned? I don't know what's been said and I'm not condoning anything here, but I do want to say that I for one can appreciate the frustration he must feel. He put so much of his time and energy into something he believed he had a genuine shot at winning. And, y'know, he was laughed at, ridiculed, someone even called him retarded. So how about unbanning him and forgetting the whole thing?

MovingPictures07 wrote:There is one overarching sentiment at this community and that is to treat your fellow players, as well as the hosts, with respect. Any adult should be able to play a game, have fun, and accomplish this task, within reason. No adult, however, is infallible, and there are occasions where some may fail to do this.

At multiple instances throughout this game, you failed to do this.

It isn’t a matter of offense. Whether someone takes offense to something or not is not the issue. Instead, the issue is one of respect. One can still play a mafia game to one’s utmost ability and still express this general decency towards other human beings in the process.

It is possible that one become disillusioned and accidentally cross a line of inappropriate behavior. This is understandable. Mafia is an emotional game. RL plus mafia can be stressful. But the saving grace for someone in this position is whether they recognize their behavior and consequently:

1) Recognize the proper authority. This is not to say anyone is infallible. No one has claimed to be, and no human being can possibly be such. However, the hosts run the game. The Mod on Duty assists the hosts in running the game. They are there to listen, as a mediator. If you have a problem with something, talk to them. If you have a problem with them, talk to the hosts. Any issue should be able to be adequately solved in this fashion. If not, save your complaint for post-game, and express it in a manner that is respectful to the hosts. Hosts dedicate an enormous amount of time to hosting their game. They always deserve respect, even if one disagrees completely with a position they have taken.

2) Consider how another player may feel through your behavior. One may argue that any particular individual can cry “offense!” at any stated sentence, and that would be correct. However, if one’s own behavior has been questioned, then one must ask him or herself: Have I behaved in a fashion that any reasonable person would believe to be in the spirit of respect and in the spirit of the game?

3) On that note, creating a hostile posting environment where players are universally afraid to express themselves, not due to the fact that they can’t “handle mafia” but due to the fact that they believe they have been treated with disrespect, is unacceptable. One must consider what kind of environment one is contributing through his or her posts. There is certainly a way to be aggressive without being disrespectful. What is most key here is again, not an issue of “offense”, but asking one’s self: am I allowing others the same right to play the game to their fullest ability that I myself would want as well?

4) Use the proper channels for “emotional dumping”. This is what PMs to the hosts and, more particularly, the Mod on Duty are for. The thread is not one’s emotional punching bag, a hostage to be taken at the expense of others. People go to the thread to play the game, not to hear about someone whining regarding this and that, or to witness someone continuously conducting him or herself with disrespect towards other individuals.

You have acted throughout this game on more than one occasion where you have blatantly not considered a single one of these.

No one is criticizing your playstyle. No one is censoring you. No one is unfairly blaming you because you are not part of a “clique”. You are not being sent this PM because I or anyone else dislikes you. In fact, I appreciated the passion you brought to the game, and I seem to recall bea saying the same. These are all absolutely untrue. Every player here is given a fair chance to prove himself. You have been warned repeatedly regarding your behavior. It would be determined that any reasonable person would find that you have engaged others with a pattern of disrespect. You are not the victim of anyone but only of your own actions.

You may continue to play here if you wish, but I wanted to inform you that your current status is that you are on the absolute thinnest ice possible. Absolutely any blatantly disrespectful action you make hereafter, whether in the current post-game discussion in the Doctor Who thread, or any other game, will be subject to discipline, of which will be incredibly likely the swift swinging of the ban hammer. Not only has bea warned you about your behavior this game, so has Llama, and so have I, and you have been given every chance to back off from intentionally disrespectful behavior.

I hate writing this, but you've left me no choice after the way Doctor Who has progressed. You will begin to treat others with respect or you will be removed forcefully from this community.

Long Con wrote:Where did the lynch switch come from?

zeek wrote:

Long Con wrote:Where did the lynch switch come from?

Hi there.

For getting all of you to vote Azure the Doctor won a prize to give to another player. That prize was a lynch switch and I was that player. When I was rezzed, my prize was too. We wanted everyone wasting time so we could stay secret.

keys56000000000 wrote:Alright, fair enough. I'm just saying, in case it wasn't clear, that it is not unreasonable at all to be frustrated. I myself am frustrated. I had fun, a lot of fun, but there's definitely a niggling sense that it was unfair. I can't help but wonder how you yourself would feel, given the amount of time and energy you put into this game, especially when you should have been putting it into your PhD, if at this stage it was revealed that you never had a chance, and that it was all futile. And in defense of Chris, I feel partly responsible for this situation, because I did goad him throughout the game. But yeah, I can't condone anything he's said to you guys.

MovingPictures07 wrote: If you or anyone else wants to discuss this further or has a problem with how I or anyone else handled this situation, IT GOES IN PM. Not here. Let this be made known.

Thank you.

zeek wrote:I don't think the civs never had a chance, I just think there was an incredible amount of luck for Hedgeowl to get to the point when the recruitment team became so powerful.

Also, it's actually pretty funny that almost all of the team's roles were not generally known or hinted at in this game, yet we avoided serious suspicion almost completely.

I wanted Snow Dog to be civ so bad me and MP had a rank bet which I was sure I'd lose. And did. Change it, MP, I always keep my bets even if the other person has forgotten!

Snow Dog wrote:Keys i am so sorry I was cyber after you defended me so much. I wanted to be civ so much then.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Keys i am so sorry I was cyber after you defended me so much. I wanted to be civ so much then.

Haha, that's ok. All the evidence pointed to you, I just didn't want to believe it. I underestimated your intelligence and for that I'm sorry. It was only when you asked me not to defend you anymore that I started to doubt myself, started thinking you were feeling sorry for me for being wrong, lol!

In the end I'm more pleased than displeased with my instincts. I knew there was something off about Juliets and Gotrees, who seemed to be cruising in the background, unexplained and unchallenged. Hedgeowl, who was playing a perfect, unquestionable game, had to be hiding something. I'm sure I even detected a change in MP, from working with me to humouring me, but I didn't want to believe it, because I considered it impossible. Note to self: make less assumptions, trust instincts more.

Turnip Head wrote:If Team Recruit actually thought I was The Master, why use the lynch switch on me? You wouldn't have been able to use that to make a case against me, because all the post would say is that no one was lynched, and nobody would have known that it was switched off of Bass.

keys56000000000 wrote:I don't think that sigbet was valid, you knew he was bad.

fingersplints wrote:Zeppelin rules is already such a good sig haha

Black Rock wrote:I can't believe I was right about Dom, it was just a complete gut feeling. He was playing such a good game I figured he was protecting a role like that. Dom left nothing to check that I could find.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Although I could be mistaken... but I'm almost positive it was before we had Epig since I was still trying to figure out who was pegged into what role, and that was also the same exact time I made the rank bet with zeek on whether Snowy was bad since he thought he was civ too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:I don't think that sigbet was valid, you knew he was bad.

Ah, good counterpoint, but untrue! At the time I made the bet it was actually still totally conjecture. Snowy didn't get recruited until N12 and we didn't have Epig at that time either since we nabbed him after N10.

But if you really want to fight it, fine. I wasn't going to make it anything too terrible.

Snow Dog wrote:
And MP it was actually true that at the start of the game i felt a bit overwhelmed and was kind of out of practise with mafia.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:
And MP it was actually true that at the start of the game i felt a bit overwhelmed and was kind of out of practise with mafia.

Yeah, I figured.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:
And MP it was actually true that at the start of the game i felt a bit overwhelmed and was kind of out of practise with mafia.

Yeah, I figured.

I have to admit it was a bit tough arguing with you and I'm sorry i lost my temper with you. It seemed you weren't listening to me.

Turns out you had been and didn't care. :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ranks have been updated.

zeek wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ranks have been updated.

Fair is fair :P This is not the end! A future bet will reverse this!

Snow Dog wrote:The doctor's bitch...lol

keys56000000000 wrote:Splints' Bitch. Yeah, that's about right.


To borrow a footbaling term, Hedgeowl is my man-of-the-match. I think she could have rode that performance to a mexican standoff and come out on top. There was literally nothing to quote with which to make a case on. I remember looking at her posts, dumbfounded, thinking she was a genius. Some Walter White shit right there, Hedgeowl, a very well done.

Also Dom was fantastic. He was our hide-in-plain-sight star this game.