Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[Bullzeye]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

[S~V~S]

So did ours. Which was why the baddie strategy of NKing the people leading lynches on civvies baffled us Lol.

[S~V~S]

@Bullz, we thought you might be NKing us because we were annoying you. But our roles allowed for open defense. And the more you killed us the more intentionally obnoxious it got.

[Bullzeye]

So did ours. Which was why the baddie strategy of NKing the people leading lynches on civvies baffled us Lol.

I genuinely don't understand how nobody else seemed to realise who you all were. If I'd been a civ I'd have suspected people for it. I was hoping I'd be able to plant doubts in your/TH's minds about people who were going after you so hard and that probably helped my death. But regardless, for all we knew it was just a matter of time before this very obvious 5-person civ-friendly team decided to go after the actual baddies, and we couldn't let that happen.

You weren't annoying us... Well not all of us... I found it quite funny actually that people seemed so oblivious. As I said earlier, the only person we really killed purely for being a Celestial was Splints. Golden was one of the initial names we threw out as potential Celestials, but we weren't sure. DP died more because if he'd been lynched his team would become trusted. TH seemed like he was coming after us.

[thellama73]

Here's your winner's badge, guys! Wear it with pride.

[Dom]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

[Marmot]

We weren't working for the baddies, we were horribly misguided though; i honestly believed BF to be bad, we ALL thought Sophie was bad, and several of us really thought you were bad. We tried to connect to them after the killed Splints. They blew us off and then killed TH. After that we lost our win, so we didn't give a crap.

Which to be honest is probably why I thought you were bad. I couldn't understand why a player with BTSC could continue to read civvies as baddies, and baddies as civvies.

The only reason I changed my mind was because I had the skull which could let me check a dead player, and I checked Golden, learning he was a Celestial. I then did a complete reread of him, and every player he did not suspect. Between the interactions with you and him, and his non-suspicions, I was able to confidently figure out who the other four Celestials were.

Then I was promptly NK'd.

[Long Con]

Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

OH! So, funny story here. I wanted the Celestials to steal the Ear Tubes that I stole from Liz Night 1. I figured I was going to be nightkilled very promptly for coming after Epig and getting him lynched, and I didn't want the Ear Tubes in baddie hands.

Unfortunately, I didn't know that I had stolen the Bottle from Epig's safe when I assumed Luke McKracken's role. It was unclear that Luke got to STEAL from the safe, it seemed like he just got to SEE what was in the Safe.

So when Llama told me my Bottle was stolen, I was like "What bottle??" Sorry if that was confusing, TH, I can't imagine what you guys must have thought I was trying to do.

[Long Con]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

It's not BS... you made yourself into a Confirmed Civvie, so you had to go. Basic Mafia logic. (I was following along at home at that point).

[Bullzeye]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

[Long Con]

Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

[DFaraday]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

This pretty much sums it up. The latter half of the game felt like a lot of people getting lynched because nobody came in and vouched for them. I feel like if we'd just done that from the beginning we could have won.

Great game, Llama!

[fingersplints]

Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

OH! So, funny story here. I wanted the Celestials to steal the Ear Tubes that I stole from Liz Night 1. I figured I was going to be nightkilled very promptly for coming after Epig and getting him lynched, and I didn't want the Ear Tubes in baddie hands.

Unfortunately, I didn't know that I had stolen the Bottle from Epig's safe when I assumed Luke McKracken's role. It was unclear that Luke got to STEAL from the safe, it seemed like he just got to SEE what was in the Safe.

So when Llama told me my Bottle was stolen, I was like "What bottle??" Sorry if that was confusing, TH, I can't imagine what you guys must have thought I was trying to do.

Yea we were very confused about the bottle. I think we thought for a while that you were trying to let us know that you were the civvie item stealer and had taken that from Epi.

The bottle was mostly useless until we had the idea to curse one of us with it in case we were silenced. I think the baddies ended up killing TH instead of silencing him, but if they had stuck to their routine of killing the celestial that they silenced the previous day, it would have allowed TH to post still like SVS was doing with the double curse.

What did you guys think of SVS buddha story?

[Turnip Head]

Hahaha, the fucking bottle! I was like... I don't want this!

[Long Con]

What did you guys think of SVS buddha story?

It was great, and as the game went on I became more and more suspicious that she was Legga. Damn, I wish I had Legga's power the night I got killed. But that night, I got the power to roleblock 2 people. I saw it as a great way to narrow down a couple of folk who were not killing, but I never thought to roleblock my own wife, which would have saved my life.

[S~V~S]

Defending =\= vouching.

I thought Rabbit was a civ, I did not KNOW. So how could I vouch, Bullz?

The fact that he was the only one building valid cases on you guys had no bearing on your decision to kill him?

[Long Con]

Hahaha, the fucking bottle! I was like... I don't want this!

But imagine it was Ear Tubes? You guys would have loved me!

[rabbit8]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

Damn it SVS. I thought me going after Bass Hard might get me off the hook for that NK I felt was coming.

Good game.

[Dom]

Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

I absolutely could have played that better and was not in a good frame of mind when I started my Canuck stuff-- there was better ways to do it. However, if we're saying I was killed for info-dropping, then where the hell was the SVS NK is all I'm saying.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed the endgame very much.

[Epignosis]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

Damn it SVS. I thought me going after Bass Hard might get me off the hook for that NK I felt was coming.

Good game.

We saw right through that act.

[rabbit8]

So did ours. Which was why the baddie strategy of NKing the people leading lynches on civvies baffled us Lol.

I genuinely don't understand how nobody else seemed to realise who you all were. If I'd been a civ I'd have suspected people for it. I was hoping I'd be able to plant doubts in your/TH's minds about people who were going after you so hard and that probably helped my death. But regardless, for all we knew it was just a matter of time before this very obvious 5-person civ-friendly team decided to go after the actual baddies, and we couldn't let that happen.

You weren't annoying us... Well not all of us... I found it quite funny actually that people seemed so oblivious. As I said earlier, the only person we really killed purely for being a Celestial was Splints. Golden was one of the initial names we threw out as potential Celestials, but we weren't sure. DP died more because if he'd been lynched his team would become trusted. TH seemed like he was coming after us.

I just thought having pointed it out would help the baddie, so why do it?

[Epignosis]

Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

I absolutely could have played that better and was not in a good frame of mind when I started my Canuck stuff-- there was better ways to do it. However, if we're saying I was killed for info-dropping, then where the hell was the SVS NK is all I'm saying.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed the endgame very much.

We tried to kill her Night 2.

[Long Con]

Also, every "suspicion" I had of S~V~S and TH was solely to try and protect them. I figured they were Celestials from long before I manufactured the suspicions. I felt like Rabbit was on the same page there.

[Golden]

Also, every "suspicion" I had of S~V~S and TH was solely to try and protect them. I figured they were Celestials from long before I manufactured the suspicions. I felt like Rabbit was on the same page there.

I saw you and rabbit doing that too. I felt pretty good about both of you. Had lots of arguments about you in chat, LC, lol.

It's kinda nice to see a baddie team waste all their kills on celestials and cost themselves the game love it when the civs win. Good game everyone!

PS - Bullz you played a really good game. I always thought you were bad, but never found any real way to pin it on you.

[Golden]

Oh, and I do understand why you killed the celestials - but no matter how justified it was, I think it was the thing that cost you the game. Not just killing us, but the constant everything on us... silences etc. We had no choice but to go after you. Actually, our interests were in taking out those civilians who could steal stuff from us.

Oh well, these things happen. I mourn not for SVS's loss, because she did us proud.

[juliets]

Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

I'm confused. That statement of Doms says the only person at endgame that didnt' out themselves was DH. But DH was not at endgame in this game. I was at endgame and was very careful not to drop any hints or clues as to who I was.

[juliets]

Oh never mind that was Dom in Game of Champions.

[Bullzeye]

Oh, and I do understand why you killed the celestials - but no matter how justified it was, I think it was the thing that cost you the game. Not just killing us, but the constant everything on us... silences etc. We had no choice but to go after you. Actually, our interests were in taking out those civilians who could steal stuff from us.

Oh well, these things happen. I mourn not for SVS's loss, because she did us proud.

FWIW I don't like that I silenced TH three times. When I usually have silencing roles, I don't silence the same person more than once unless there's a good reason. I did it here because my team felt it was the best tactical approach to bringing down our enemies. We basically viewed the Celestials as civs and didn't even consider the idea you'd be interested in winning with us.

[Marmot]

Also, every "suspicion" I had of S~V~S and TH was solely to try and protect them. I figured they were Celestials from long before I manufactured the suspicions. I felt like Rabbit was on the same page there.

I saw you and rabbit doing that too. I felt pretty good about both of you. Had lots of arguments about you in chat, LC, lol.

It's kinda nice to see a baddie team waste all their kills on celestials and cost themselves the game love it when the civs win. Good game everyone!

PS - Bullz you played a really good game. I always thought you were bad, but never found any real way to pin it on you.

Honorable mentions to blindfaeth, Long Con, and Metalmarsh, the dead civvies.

Bullz was the only one who had me fooled completely. The reason I wanted to look at him at first after Epignosis's lynch was the fact that he voted for the key (when Epignosis had the safe) and because a couple dead players I trusted suspected him. Unfortunately, a reread of Bullzeye made me change my mind, as did his reactions to my suspicion.

[Long Con]

Sato Okimo - The Japanese Lawyer - Can execute wills, stock certificates and promissory notes.

What did this role actually do?

[thellama73]

Sato Okimo - The Japanese Lawyer - Can execute wills, stock certificates and promissory notes.

What did this role actually do?

Glad you asked!

Three items (four if you count the additional will) gave people bonuses when used. The stock certificate, the promissory note, and the will. Every time anyone used one of these, Sato Okimo was awarded extra lynch votes he could use as desired. Canucklehead never cashed any of hers in though.

Also, for the avatar contest, I picked images for people who sent nothing in, so that low-participants wouldn't be outed by their lack of pictures.

[Long Con]

Did the Ivory Arrow do anything, or was it just a Celestial relic?

[Turnip Head]

Did the Ivory Arrow do anything, or was it just a Celestial relic?

The Ivory Arrow wasn't one of our treasures. It was the Buddha, the elephant, Ivory Ballz, the silver coin and the Green Jade Hand. We stole BR's elephant charm the night you claimed your arrow got stolen.

[Long Con]

Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

[thellama73]

Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

The arrow didn't do anything. I included a few of those because I didn't want it to be too obvious which of the treasures were the ones the Celestials were after.

[thellama73]

I was disappointed nobody used the Clock.

[Sophie]

.

Zomb had a lynch stop, so we were not concerned with her flipping, but she wasn't around, and come to find out, she hadn't adjusted her DST settings (I send the PM twice a year for a reason, people!), so I tried to save her anyway. I figured her lynch would be my downfall, but folks strangely went after Sophie instead.

:

I know, right?


congrats, civvies!!!

[juliets]

I was disappointed nobody used the Clock.

What did it do?

[thellama73]

I was disappointed nobody used the Clock.

What did it do?

It did what all clocks do, it told you what time it is.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I was disappointed nobody used the Clock.

Sorry I had a watch lol.

[Dom]

Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

I got it for voting Eloh.

[Black Rock]

Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

I got it for voting Eloh.

I got it for killing you. Also you lied, you had two items.

[Dom]

Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

I got it for voting Eloh.

I got it for killing you. Also you lied, you had two items.

I just got those berries, I don't think I lied at the time.

[Marmot]

Is there a list of what all the items did?

Also, I'm never cursing myself again.

[thellama73]

Is there a list of what all the items did?

MacGuffins
Skull - Dead Role Check (once used, it can only check the same person)

Promissory Note (Can collect another player’s vote)

Rare Book (tells about tseng-ko)
It appears to be a book on botany and plant-derived drugs. One particularly interesting chapter tells of a mysterious drug called Tseng-Ko, which makes the imbiber highly suggestible, to the point that they will answer yes to any question put to them.

Silver Buddha
It is clearly of oriental design.

Clock
YOu can consult the clock once per Night to learn what time it is.

Green Jade Hand
It is clearly of oriental design.

Safe
Once per night, you can put something into, or take something out of the safe. The safe may only hold one item at a time, and items locked in the safe cannot be used until they are removed.

Stock Certificate (can be cashed in for votes)

Handkerchief (with a message on it regarding a plot twist)
You are surprised to find that there is a message written inside. It says:

"I know you two think this is very funny, masquerading as one another, but you're going to get found out eventually, and there will be Hell to pay. I advise you to give up the charade at once."

Telegram (info regarding a plot twist)
It is not addressed to you, and you really shouldn't read other people's communications, but you do anyway. It says: "Results of your genealogy test are in STOP Suspicions confirmed STOP You do indeed have a long lost twin STOP I look forward to reuniting you, longer message with details to follow."

Will (reward for killing one particular person)
Surprisingly, it belongs to Zomberella12. It reads: "Whosoever holds this will at the time of my death will receive my entire fortune.” That's a weird thing to put in your will, but don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Julu berries

Amber Necklace
It looks great on you!

Two-Headed Elephant charm
It is clearly of oriental design.

Silver Coin
It is clearly of oriental design.

Key (opens the safe) If you try to steal an item, you will be able to get into the safe or vault.

Ivory Arrow
It sure is pretty, but would probably break if you actually tried to fire it from a bow.

Ivory Ball
It is clearly of oriental design.

Ear tubes
They let you hear like the dickens! Every night, you will overhear part of a BTS conversation or a PM.

Bottle (contains an oriental drug tseng-ko that makes the person who takes it have to answer every question “yes.”)
a shiny new bottle.
Blowing dust off the label, you see that it contains a rare oriental drug called Tseng-ko, which causes extreme suggestibility when administered. Each night, you can give the drug to another player, and they will have to answer all questions the next day in the affirmative.

Nothing (the first person who vote for nothing gets nothing. All subsequent votes for nothing will get something, a piece of info on what an item does)

[Long Con]

Will (reward for killing one particular person)
Surprisingly, it belongs to Zomberella12. It reads: "Whosoever holds this will at the time of my death will receive my entire fortune.” That's a weird thing to put in your will, but don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

So, I read it as closer to what BF said than S~V~S. And I can see how it implies that the person named in the Will is rich - "entire fortune" sounds like an entire fortune. What was your angle, S~V~S, was this you trying to help the baddies on purpose?

That's odd, what brings you [Bullz] here out of the blue? Sure, you're playing the game, but I feel it's awful convenient you show up right after I mention it. He starts pushing an agenda of discrediting me and spreading doubt about my speculation. Is it because he's worried I know the name of his teammate, the millionaire? That's what I think.

Trust your instincts.

Nothing (the first person who vote for nothing gets nothing. All subsequent votes for nothing will get something, a piece of info on what an item does)

Ha! I knew Nothing was something.

[Marmot]

By the way, your welcome TH (and SVS) for stating in thread what my item was and that it was Oriental.

Though it seems you may have figured it out anyway with the book.

[Marmot]

That's odd, what brings you [Bullz] here out of the blue? Sure, you're playing the game, but I feel it's awful convenient you show up right after I mention it. He starts pushing an agenda of discrediting me and spreading doubt about my speculation. Is it because he's worried I know the name of his teammate, the millionaire? That's what I think.

Trust your instincts.

Let's start over, but this time not have blindfaeth suggest what his document says.

[S~V~S]

I thought it was closer to what I said

I had no agenda, I was just trying to paraphrase it. When Zomba tried to imply it exonerated her, if you recall, that was when I started to go after her. Until Golden convinced me she was not bad.

[thellama73]

The person named in the will was assigned randomly to Zombarella, and I was a little dismayed that BF shared that info with the whole thread and that it became taken as an indicator of Zomberella's guilt. I felt like I had painted a target on her back, which I had not intended to do. The point of the will was to give one player a private incentive to kill a particular person that may or may not have been consistent with their other goals. I was a little surprised at how eager everyone was to share details about their items. If I had to do it over again, I might have prohibited talking about them.