The Syndicate

Hey, even when you are bad you really want other baddie teams out of the way. The person who cursed me might well have been a civ, I just don't know.

I played this game really badly, but it really was my first game ever where the affiliations weren't basically set up front and straightforward. It was quite an experience, and I clearly played it all wrong.

Well if it was us, I am sure I will be corrected

Golden wrote:Hey, even when you are bad you really want other baddie teams out of the way. The person who cursed me might well have been a civ, I just don't know.

I played this game really badly, but it really was my first game ever where the affiliations weren't basically set up front and straightforward. It was quite an experience, and I clearly played it all wrong.

I regret my early approach to this game, and I felt really really bad after your lynch. It was totally the wrong way to go about this game. I tried play like I would a civvie role, and that was bad strategy...for me anyway. I should have approached like I would a traditional LMS role, which I have had success with in the past. Please accept my humble apology.

Rey, I hold nothing against you, I'm just glad you didn't quit, because I'm really pleased to have you back.

It was my fault people went after me. But it is also the mere existence of my strong civilian meta. People couldn't buy the fact that as a neutral, I would be willing to try a gambit to take out someone that I thought was a threat to my survival. I thought people would recognise that I do gambits all the time, and it's completely me, and that it would make sense in the context of the game. Clearly not!

Can't wait for recruitment 5!

Lol, I was cursed to vote Golden too; I had no idea how to pull that off, so I just went nuts. :P

Golden wrote:I played this game really badly, but it really was my first game ever where the affiliations weren't basically set up front and straightforward. It was quite an experience, and I clearly played it all wrong.

You and me both.

For me it had nothing to do with your civilian meta, Golden. I thought you pulled a ballsy move and then tried to bullshit your way out of it

S~V~S wrote:For me it had nothing to do with your civilian meta, Golden. I thought you pulled a ballsy move and then tried to bullshit your way out of it

BullSUIT SVS, get it right

I'm so pulling out that bullsuit again.

Rico - I targetted DFaraday night one, and the element I picked was water. I don't remember what else I did, I may have targetted DH day three i think?

Bullsuit and pedantic pink were the best things to come out of this game.

Was it bullshit or Bullzeye that got corrected to bullsuit?

Golden wrote:I played this game really badly, but it really was my first game ever where the affiliations weren't basically set up front and straightforward. It was quite an experience, and I clearly played it all wrong.

Would you have played it like I did though?

Golden wrote:Hey, even when you are bad you really want other baddie teams out of the way. The person who cursed me might well have been a civ, I just don't know.

I played this game really badly, but it really was my first game ever where the affiliations weren't basically set up front and straightforward. It was quite an experience, and I clearly played it all wrong.

No you didn't, you played it like you. No guts, no glory, right? You never played a game like this before, so you forged your own way. It did not work, perhaps, but that does not mean you played badly. It means your strategy needed tweaking.

I have a question- curious about something

Where does the term "Meta" comes from?

like back in the days from RM, I dont recall peole using it, but now people refer a lot do it
If im correct is like someone style? but is the term sort of new? or am I have been to sidetracked that I never noticed it before :P

unfurl wrote:I have a question- curious about something

Where does the term "Meta" comes from?

like back in the days from RM, I dont recall peole using it, but now people refer a lot do it
If im correct is like someone style? but is the term sort of new? or am I have been to sidetracked that I never noticed it before :P

You are correct, it's a term that refers to a player's play style.

I have no idea how long it's been used, but it's been commonplace on this site since I can remember.

Thanks MM
Im probably the one that never noticed it before in other sites most likely

Unfurl, in my opinion you are right, meta is not a word we ever used at LP,the piano, or rev mafia. It wasn't used at TS at the beginning either. I can't put a date on it but you have been playing longer than I have and I consider it a relatively new word that describes a concept that we always used - we just called it something different.

Black Rock wrote:thellama73 has been eaten by a dragon. Bullzeye has been lynched he was Lord of Thunder and on Team Azura.

The game has ended, Team Ubzargan has won, congratulations to S~V~S, Metalmarsh89, Tranq, Devin the Omniscient... and aapje. Also reywaS has won as the Rogue Mercenary.

Special congratulations to Team Ahriman for being survivors in this bloody battle. Spacedaisy, Bea, and Sorsha you fought a uphill battle and survived. Sorsha was the best damn dragon a host could ever achieve.

Are you fucking kidding me.

JC!
Good to know, that I have not lose all my memories marbles yet cause I just started to notice it recently
One of those weird things that makes me curious to where it comes from

Thanks for the game BR/LC. What a way to go out.

juliets wrote:Unfurl, in my opinion you are right, meta is not a word we ever used at LP,the piano, or rev mafia. It wasn't used at TS at the beginning either. I can't put a date on it but you have been playing longer than I have and I consider it a relatively new word that describes a concept that we always used - we just called it something different.

The first use of the word on this site goes to SVS (under a sock name) in Grimm's Fairy Tale Mafia.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Unfurl, in my opinion you are right, meta is not a word we ever used at LP,the piano, or rev mafia. It wasn't used at TS at the beginning either. I can't put a date on it but you have been playing longer than I have and I consider it a relatively new word that describes a concept that we always used - we just called it something different.

The first use of the word on this site goes to SVS (under a sock name) in Grimm's Fairy Tale Mafia.

So funny cause I also search the post here, and the user name came as Ricochet 2, (but I missed reading the 2)
so I thought it was from Ricochet, with who I think this was the first time we played together, so I thought well the origin is probably from another site then
but now is more of a mistery then, but Im too lazy to go to RM to see if it was used there also

Meta is a Greek derived prefix that denotes being outside or beyond something else. Metaphysics deals with concepts beyond the scope of regular physics. In mafia, the metagame involves looking at considerations outside of the framework of the current game, such as how players played in the past.

For that which goes beyond even the meta, the prefix is "pata." See: the works of the absurdist Alfred Jarry and his exploration of pataphysics.

That's really meta-interesting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Unfurl, in my opinion you are right, meta is not a word we ever used at LP,the piano, or rev mafia. It wasn't used at TS at the beginning either. I can't put a date on it but you have been playing longer than I have and I consider it a relatively new word that describes a concept that we always used - we just called it something different.

The first use of the word on this site goes to SVS (under a sock name) in Grimm's Fairy Tale Mafia.

I first heard it from Comfortably Numb who played with us for a while at all three sites Iirc he was a Dutch man maybe in his 40s. You must recall Comfy?

I first heard it from lorab waaaaay back in the day like first bts? Maybe second? I do admit it was something that wasn't really commented on by the name in game much. Mostly the debate as I remembered it way using the info vs not using it.

Y'all use weird terms around here. :P

"Meta" is a staple of RYM vernacular. Where you say "no u", we say "omgus" (oh my god you suck). Where you say "civs with BTSC", we say "masons" (though the entire concept of BTSC is completely different here). I'd never even heard "BTSC" before coming to The Syndicate.

Then again we've played 89 games there and I think only 2 of them featured any manner of resurrection mechanic. Culture clash man.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Unfurl, in my opinion you are right, meta is not a word we ever used at LP,the piano, or rev mafia. It wasn't used at TS at the beginning either. I can't put a date on it but you have been playing longer than I have and I consider it a relatively new word that describes a concept that we always used - we just called it something different.

The first use of the word on this site goes to SVS (under a sock name) in Grimm's Fairy Tale Mafia.

I first heard it from Comfortably Numb who played with us for a while at all three sites Iirc he was a Dutch man maybe in his 40s. You must recall Comfy?

Yes, I remember Comfy, more from a game I hosted with LT at RM, I dont think I played much with him

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I just looked over at RM and the word did not come up, in the search, so this is the first place where I first saw it
my curiosity is been satisfied

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Y'all use weird terms around here. :P

"Meta" is a staple of RYM vernacular. Where you say "no u", we say "omgus" (oh my god you suck). Where you say "civs with BTSC", we say "masons" (though the entire concept of BTSC is completely different here). I'd never even heard "BTSC" before coming to The Syndicate.

Our culture developed independently of the larger mafia community for sure. A lot of us got our start on LostPedia where no one had really played mafia before. I think "no u" was a catchphrase of a few players and it caught on because it's fun to say. I have no idea who came up with "BTSC"... I remember being confused by that one when I started playing. Rezzes are a byproduct of having so many power roles - the standard for games on LP was 30 roles, and almost all of them had a unique power. We like crazy games

It is interesting that we never really referred to a player's "meta" much. I think a lot of players including myself like to play differently in each game. I've certainly never played like I did in this one, and probably won't ever again.

bea wrote:I first heard it from lorab waaaaay back in the day like first bts? Maybe second? I do admit it was something that wasn't really commented on by the name in game much. Mostly the debate as I remembered it way using the info vs not using it.

Lorab and Comfy used to argue about it; he was not a fan of metagaming

unfurl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Unfurl, in my opinion you are right, meta is not a word we ever used at LP,the piano, or rev mafia. It wasn't used at TS at the beginning either. I can't put a date on it but you have been playing longer than I have and I consider it a relatively new word that describes a concept that we always used - we just called it something different.

The first use of the word on this site goes to SVS (under a sock name) in Grimm's Fairy Tale Mafia.

I first heard it from Comfortably Numb who played with us for a while at all three sites Iirc he was a Dutch man maybe in his 40s. You must recall Comfy?

Yes, I remember Comfy, more from a game I hosted with LT at RM, I dont think I played much with him

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I just looked over at RM and the word did not come up, in the search, so this is the first place where I first saw it
my curiosity is been satisfied

Yeah, he played at LP & the Piano more than at RM as I recall. The meta discussions I recall were from LP. I had him in BTS during his first or second game playing with us, he originally came from a a different forum, someone else, maybe Jason Maher or Timmer brought him over to us. Nice guy, smart & fun. I would like to see him return.

I definitely recall talk of "meta" back at LP, but not as much as it's occurred since TS's inception.

for some reason every time I see or hear the word "meta" I immediately think of The Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I definitely recall talk of "meta" back at LP, but not as much as it's occurred since TS's inception.

I dont' think we called it meta, but I definitely remember linknig back to old games on LP.

So here's a wrap-up of what I got, of course it's still wildly incomplete, without every action and event being in its place and making sense, but it's the most up to date form.

This analysis still doesn't reveal why nobody (except SVS) wanted to recruit me or award my contest submissions.

Game!
Votes!
Theories! (lol at how dumb I imagined the epic challenges might be)

Also as a reminder of my efforts throughout the game:

The Story of Golden
The Story of Everyone Alive, Part I and Part II.

Black Rock wrote:Starting Clan Dynamics

Children of Serenity - They are at peace with the Guardians and Brotherhood. They don't like the Warriors or the Sorcerers.

Guardians of the Lifeforce - They are at peace with the Children and Warriors. They don't like the Brotherhood or the Sorcerers.

Warriors of the Shadows - They are at peace with the Guardians and Brotherhood. They don't like the Children or the Sorcerers.

Sorcerers of the Elements - They are not at peace. They don't like any one.

Brotherhood of the Inner Eye - They are at peace with the Children and the Warriors. They don't like the Guardians or the Sorcerers.

Did this affect the game in any way?

So Devin was the one who took out Typhoony Night 1.

No, Llama did. Timmer switched their powers (I'm not sure who the third player was - LoRab?). Devin got fluff messaging as Keeper of Ravens, Llama got Executioner kill.

I forgot to bring up why I thought there was two nights - it is bc there were TWO NIGHTS!

The first night I got to use my power. The second night I did not get to use my power bc LC gave me the lame reason that the game *must* go on and could not be stuck in perpetual night. (jk LC) Then I was silenced the second night.

I say two night bc of my perspective at the time felt like two nights.

Using my power then not being able to use my power
Not being silenced then was silenced

Get it?

Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

Roxy wrote:I forgot to bring up why I thought there was two nights - it is bc there were TWO NIGHTS!

The first night I got to use my power. The second night I did not get to use my power bc LC gave me the lame reason that the game *must* go on and could not be stuck in perpetual night. (jk LC) Then I was silenced the second night.

I say two night bc of my perspective at the time felt like two nights.

Using my power then not being able to use my power
Not being silenced then was silenced

Get it?

Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

Yes, but "restarting a Night" means that it's a repeat of the same Night. That's our perception of it.

Ricochet wrote:

Roxy wrote:I forgot to bring up why I thought there was two nights - it is bc there were TWO NIGHTS!

The first night I got to use my power. The second night I did not get to use my power bc LC gave me the lame reason that the game *must* go on and could not be stuck in perpetual night. (jk LC) Then I was silenced the second night.

I say two night bc of my perspective at the time felt like two nights.

Using my power then not being able to use my power
Not being silenced then was silenced

Get it?

Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

Yes, but "restarting a Night" means that it's a repeat of the same Night. That's our perception of it.

But how can it be the "same night" when targets shifted and changed? Can't be a repeat bc if it was I would have used my ability in an endless cycle.

Roxy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Roxy wrote:I forgot to bring up why I thought there was two nights - it is bc there were TWO NIGHTS!

The first night I got to use my power. The second night I did not get to use my power bc LC gave me the lame reason that the game *must* go on and could not be stuck in perpetual night. (jk LC) Then I was silenced the second night.

I say two night bc of my perspective at the time felt like two nights.

Using my power then not being able to use my power
Not being silenced then was silenced

Get it?

Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

Yes, but "restarting a Night" means that it's a repeat of the same Night. That's our perception of it.

But how can it be the "same night" when targets shifted and changed? Can't be a repeat bc if it was I would have used my ability in an endless cycle.

It's the same night, because we have to send them over again (I don't recall if double-targetting was in effect or not, but it's the same thing). It's not a change, it's a redo. You're the only exception, because of your inherent ability to restart the night endlessly, if allowed.

It's just like, when in Film Directors, the Day was restarted after a bad lynch. It wasn't a second Day i.e. Day 2. It was Day 1 again, despite our targets shifting and changing (i.e. not lynching again the same guy).

A restart is not a verbatim redo. That'd be Groundhog Day Mafia material.

I was not the only exception.

If it was the same night then I would have never been silenced.

If it was double targeting then that implies a new night.

Again, you restarted the Night. That was your actual power. It was a second version of the same Night 9.

Ricochet wrote:Again, you restarted the Night. That was your actual power. It was a second version of the same Night 9.

Are you yelling at your computer yet?

I am sorry I am just fucking with you bc it is fun to wind you up

Roxy wrote:I forgot to bring up why I thought there was two nights - it is bc there were TWO NIGHTS!

The first night I got to use my power. The second night I did not get to use my power bc LC gave me the lame reason that the game *must* go on and could not be stuck in perpetual night. (jk LC) Then I was silenced the second night.

I say two night bc of my perspective at the time felt like two nights.

Using my power then not being able to use my power
Not being silenced then was silenced

Get it?

Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

That was our doing (per SVS's suggestions). She knew you were the judge after that "two nights in a row" commentary, and we didn't want our actions getting skipped again. Also I don't recall what clan your role was aligned as, but that one had come up in Devin's cycle, so he killed you.

Since Caelia got the nightkill in on Night 7, I tinfoiled that you were in cahoots with Caelia and had to go.

Roxy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Again, you restarted the Night. That was your actual power. It was a second version of the same Night 9.

Are you yelling at your computer yet?

I am sorry I am just fucking with you bc it is fun to wind you up

Me doing that? Never.

*votes Roxy*

oops my hand slipped

what's that? the game's over?

Roxy wrote:
Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

I was dead by then, and while I tried to talk them out of it, since you had not looked our way even once, we thought the Judge was on Caelia becasue of the way when day ended, DH jumped in, voted for his best option, put in the kill on me, and then night ended. At that point I don't think we thought you were the Judge, I think we thought it was Timmer, but after you started getting indignant when people were suspecting you for your opinion on the two nights it became pretty clear, lol. I did not want to kill you, but it was not my call.

I wanted to recruit you. When we had the list challenge, you were one of the names I put on it, but the Judge was not one of the roles aapje felt to be most advantageous for us. Did you submit a picture to the picture challenge?

Ricochet wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Again, you restarted the Night. That was your actual power. It was a second version of the same Night 9.

Are you yelling at your computer yet?

I am sorry I am just fucking with you bc it is fun to wind you up

Me doing that? Never.

*votes Roxy*

oops my hand slipped

what's that? the game's over?

S~V~S wrote:

Roxy wrote:
Also why was I killed? I felt it was clear that I was unrecruited and I played my role to cause pure chaos.

I was dead by then, and while I tried to talk them out of it, since you had not looked our way even once, we thought the Judge was on Caelia becasue of the way when day ended, DH jumped in, voted for his best option, put in the kill on me, and then night ended. At that point I don't think we thought you were the Judge, I think we thought it was Timmer, but after you started getting indignant when people were suspecting you for your opinion on the two nights it became pretty clear, lol. I did not want to kill you, but it was not my call.

I wanted to recruit you. When we had the list challenge, you were one of the names I put on it, but the Judge was not one of the roles aapje felt to be most advantageous for us. Did you submit a picture to the picture challenge?

Aww SVS <3

I never omce tried for a recruitment (for either side) at any time.

I tried once to get recruited..the first public one. After that I became committed to staying neutral

What positions would you have gotten if recruited?

For that matter, I still don't know what Epig's real positions were?

reywaS wrote:I tried once to get recruited..the first public one. After that I became committed to staying neutral

We saw your photobucket info on the picture