Game Over -The Syndicate Mafia

#1921

Wait it was Epi? I really thought it was Eloh later based on the posts.

Was Cobalt ALWAYS Epi?

#1922

I didn't know Cobalt was epi, but I knew that Chatterbox was epi within about 90 seconds.

I killed MM because I thought it might be epi trying very hard to protect his identity, and because I left Chatterbox feeling that epi was the recruit.

#1923

I thought Chatterbox was someone different, I thought it was JJJ.

Hostesses did an awesome job, it was a great game, but it was probably the worst showing I have ever made in a game.

#1924

I had the advantage of having chatterbox very late in the game, when a lot of people were gone.

SVS, I thought you were cookie in the early going... but by the end I thought you were Lacey. I think that's why I trusted lacey more than I should have, lol. If I'd known it was boo...

#1925

I feel like an idiot. I knew Lacey was boo, and i know I have issues with trusting him when I shouldn't, but I never would have trusted Cobalt had I known it was EPi.

I honestly feel like a fool, lol.

Cookie 2 is cleaned out.

#1926

What was the deal with all the civ trackers?

#1927

juliets wrote:What was the deal with all the civ trackers?

I dunno, but welcome to the club of 'kamikazed as a civ and later on it turned out there was no reason to'.

#1928

Jesus, that's a surprise.

#1929

Epignosis wrote:Jesus, that's a surprise.

You didn't even know you were recruited until just then?

#1930

A recruit winning team of three? Dayum.

#1931

S~V~S wrote:Wait it was Epi? I really thought it was Eloh later based on the posts.

Was Cobalt ALWAYS Epi?

Yes. I had more fun than I should have being Cobalt.

Addendum: Nope.

#1932

Oh, well done, my puppets. Well done, indeed

boo, you're my freaking hero, pulling all of that off after how I played. Hats off to you, sir

(or hats on, in the case of this smiley)

#1933

S~V~S wrote:I feel like an idiot. I knew Lacey was boo, and i know I have issues with trusting him when I shouldn't, but I never would have trusted Cobalt had I known it was EPi.

I honestly feel like a fool, lol.

Cookie 2 is cleaned out.

I was a civilian until now.

I only turned on you because Dom 2 convinced me you were bad (after you had convinced me Dom 2 was bad). I felt sure one of you had to be. I used to a prize to get to talk to Dom 2 at Night as Cobalt 2 (I lied about my role).

I was in constant contact with Lipsticklacey2 as my most trusted player. After the Epignosis 2 flip, I felt sure I had been had, but I'd even told boo in chat that if he was the recruit, I couldn't be assed to make a case against him.

#1934

juliets wrote:What was the deal with all the civ trackers?

There were two civvie trackers, and one seemer reveal as a tracker. The two trackers was used because we knew it was going to be predicted there was a seemer and we didn't want it so obvious. It was really one of the only ways to get info out there this game, and we wanted to highlight some roles we found more popular on other sites and fun. (hence the addition of the hider)

There did actually end up being two seemers at one point, as lips would assumed Rico's seemer ability. We didn't actually plan on two seemers, that just happened with the rezz being used on Rico. But if lips hadn't been modkilled we could have potentially had another tracker reveal.

#1935

Golden 2 is cleaned (inbox at least, password and other stuff is up to you, Hosties

).

#1936

Epignosis wrote:Jesus, that's a surprise.

You're welcome.

Thanks for the help.

Celeste · #1937

boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Jesus, that's a surprise.
You're welcome.

Thanks for the help.

This is how I say thanks

#1938

I wrote this part of my post for a reason:

fingersplints wrote:"Believe me. No one will be as surprised as I am to learn that I am recruited." Cobalt 2 plunged his knife into Dom 2.

This is how Epi learned he was recruited.

Ben Linus · #1939

balls

#1940

#1941

Tried to kill me first though.

In recruiting me at the 11th hour, though, you secured your win, because I had won an extra vote, and I was gonna seal the deal Day 12.

Julinook · #1942

Eloh 2 messages all cleared out

Now to make a million cakes by tomorrow

#1943

So Lacey was able to recruit last night even though Eloh 2 had been dead since Day 5? How did that work?

#1944

I <3 everyone most of all splints! <3

My internet is wonked out and I only have my phone that is at 3% will be back asap with night stuffs and questions (if any)

I thought every player played a brilliant sock - I was amazed! And adored it from a game planners perspective to see it come to fruition - my undying gratitude to all of you for that

linky -The recruitee became the recruiter according to the way the role was written

#1945

My favorite part was BTSC with Chatterbox. Epi came into it acting like he knew who I was underneath the sock but not who Elohcin (the player) was, and that Cookie 2 and Lacey 2 could both be trusted, and my first instinct was to not trust him at all. I called him a baddie and then he revealed he was Epignosis, and then we talked about football for two days.

#1946

My least favorite part was getting blitz lynched in 30 seconds

#1947

I did see the kill attempt, which is when I learned I was WRONG about cobalt.

That's when I thought it had to be lacey.

#1948

Turnip Head wrote:My least favorite part was getting blitz lynched in 30 seconds

Sorry TH... we thought you had a kill. In hindsight, we might have had a chance if that had been bass 2!

As for llama/scotty - I just wanted him dead because I didn't want to have to block him within 3 seconds of the night starting every single time I wanted to put a kill in.

#1949

Turnip Head wrote:My favorite part was BTSC with Chatterbox. Epi came into it acting like he knew who I was underneath the sock but not who Elohcin (the player) was, and that Cookie 2 and Lacey 2 could both be trusted, and my first instinct was to not trust him at all. I called him a baddie and then he revealed he was Epignosis, and then we talked about football for two days.

And you told him I was civilian.

Thanks TH!

#1950

Looked like a fun game! Thanks for hosting, Rox and splints! Apologies that I had to back out before the game began, but I had started my playing break before the game could get going.

On another note, I just updated the Hall of Fame and my master spreadsheet, and uncovered that Golden would have tied the mystic Nevinera win percentage of 63% (7 out of 11 games) if he had won. Since he lost, he's at 6 out of 11 (but still 2nd place at 55%). #stats

#1951

Also, boo, Epi, and Blooper have all won 3 games this year now. #morestats

#1952

Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:My favorite part was BTSC with Chatterbox. Epi came into it acting like he knew who I was underneath the sock but not who Elohcin (the player) was, and that Cookie 2 and Lacey 2 could both be trusted, and my first instinct was to not trust him at all. I called him a baddie and then he revealed he was Epignosis, and then we talked about football for two days.
And you told him I was civilian.

Thanks TH!

I also thought you were timmer. If I had realized you were you, I might have reconsidered. And he still lynched you anyways :P

#1953

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looked like a fun game! Thanks for hosting, Rox and splints! Apologies that I had to back out before the game began, but I had started my playing break before the game could get going.

On another note, I just updated the Hall of Fame and my master spreadsheet, and uncovered that Golden would have tied the mystic Nevinera win percentage of 63% (7 out of 11 games) if he had won. Since he lost, he's at 6 out of 11 (but still 2nd place at 55%). #stats

I had already uncovered that.

I had a pathway to the end in mind, but it was threading the needle. If I'd blocked and killed Lacey when I blocked cookie and killed MM, I think I could have done it. The moment cookie said 'why did someone block me, I don't have a kill' I knew it was over. Oh well.

linki @TH - I spent most of the game trying to be as un-golden like as possible... until about final 7 or 8.

#1954

Turnip Head wrote:My favorite part was BTSC with Chatterbox. Epi came into it acting like he knew who I was underneath the sock but not who Elohcin (the player) was, and that Cookie 2 and Lacey 2 could both be trusted, and my first instinct was to not trust him at all. I called him a baddie and then he revealed he was Epignosis, and then we talked about football for two days.

Yes, a conversation that has thus far turned into a lucrative enterprise for you.

#1955

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:My favorite part was BTSC with Chatterbox. Epi came into it acting like he knew who I was underneath the sock but not who Elohcin (the player) was, and that Cookie 2 and Lacey 2 could both be trusted, and my first instinct was to not trust him at all. I called him a baddie and then he revealed he was Epignosis, and then we talked about football for two days.
Yes, a conversation that has thus far turned into a lucrative enterprise for you.

#1956

I had a great deal of fun in this, and I count it a solid effort on my part (despite a few paranoid hiccups). I enjoyed hiding behind my sock

and bringing people into the hotseat each Night.

Thanks for the experience ladies.

Too bad I can't count this as a civilian win.

#1957

I had a lot of fun too, thanks for the game Roxy and splints. Blooper played an identical game to Hedgeowl's as the recruiter in Doctor Who, so I'm glad that we were able to get rid of her early before she amassed an unbeatable team of recruits. Err... :P I'm not sure what the mechanics were, but being able to keep the recruiting power after getting lynched means that Blooper's death was a hollow victory for the civs. Oh well, I've won as an FEB recruit before so karma has paid me back these past few times. And I can't take anything away from Lacey 2's gameplay, boo played a strong game and is deserving of the win.

#1958

Epignosis wrote:Tried to kill me first though.

In recruiting me at the 11th hour, though, you secured your win, because I had won an extra vote, and I was gonna seal the deal Day 12.

Only sort of.

I chose you, but then sent in a PM changing it to Dom 2. I assume that's what caused the snafu with you showing up dead.

#1959

Turnip Head wrote:So Lacey was able to recruit last night even though Eloh 2 had been dead since Day 5? How did that work?

She started out recruiting odd nights and killing evens. I got both powers when she was killed. If I died with at least one recruit, they would have passed down again, and if without, the recruiting would stop and the kill would go to the other baddie team.

#1960

boo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:So Lacey was able to recruit last night even though Eloh 2 had been dead since Day 5? How did that work?
She started out recruiting odd nights and killing evens. I got both powers when she was killed. If I died with at least one recruit, they would have passed down again, and if without, the recruiting would stop and the kill would go to the other baddie team.

See, that's annoying

#1961

Well I wasn't ready for this to end tonight (was excepting 3 vs 1 lylo tomorrow), but here's the concession recap.

The Good
-- The winners. Congrats to them. boo dupes everyone again with strong gameplay and taking command over the dynamic, no surprise there after Death Note.
-- This game. Amazing in its challenge and results, overall.
-- The Hostesses. Great in every way and terrific to have around. Plus, I understand they said something about, except a runner-up competition from DrWilgy, me being their favourite player with whom they had contact...? That's gotta be a reward in itself.

-- Surviving a phase as an outed seemer. Going from certain kill to NO votes taken. Nothing else worked out for us, but this has to feel good. Also, you should have seen Golden and JJJ constantly ready to buss me, only to congratulate me at the end of that Day for the bewildering result.

-- The irony of me playing Golden and Golden playing me and being together on the same team.

Hostesses say it was purely random, but I ain't buying it.

-- Speaking of, at least Golden didn't win.

-- Oh, at least MM didn't win either.

-- The team that was there. Eloh and BR, it had a great time playing with you. As for my trio with Golden and JJJ, let us meet again and make it work next time, gentlemen.
-- My teammates not figuring out who I was, except for Black Rock ("Scotty"), but she spotted me dun goofing in a Chat she created in Recruitement, probably. And perhaps boo? Idk, I dun goofed in Gladiators twice as well.
-- Not being figured out by anyone else, either... he says in his wishful thinking...

-- My sock. I literally freaked out when I was delegated to play Golden, because of time issues and not being prepared one bit to adopt his persona. But until I had to start adopting other socks as well (see slightly below) or just lose grip on it (late in my game), I tried to emulate him as best as possible. Of course I collected as much meta as possible - I'll just copy some of it here

Spoiler: show

-- Day 3. TH and whoever else cursed me, if you think you burned me good, then let me tell it was among the best experiences I've had.

I've had to play as Golden, TGG (was already "seemed"), G-Man (because of the pictures) AND DrWilgy (because of the challenge to post like him - which I just paraphrased into an inner grotesque-humoresque story), at the same time. How's that for eclecticism! Loved it - even if it was all for naught...

The Bad
-- That I lost, of course. In fact, I'm now 0/2 in the last three games I plan to play. I only have Talking Heads left.

-- The team constantly getting rekt by the recruit killer.

And then the blocker, cop and so forth. Oh well.
-- Golden's lamenting in BTSC.

Not to mention, his predictions coming true, as well.

-- The outbursts in the game. Let's not ever go back there again.
-- The seemer. F this role.

I handled it as best as I could, without any experience (obviously I wasn't that mad to go search for TGG's Crazy Clown meta from two freaking months ago, so at that point I basically conceded), but me no likey.
-- The mafia slackers. I'm sorry, but we were seven. SEVEN. And in the end, after "LC" (Eloh) died, it felt like we were only three. And then we were just three. And then... And then... BR I can understand, since she couldn't balance hosting and playing, but we also lost "Wilgy", who had become a second seemer and "Blooper" as a protector. I think BR said in BTSC that Bass is a beast to have as teammate, but sorry, I didn't see any of this. And Lacey, as far as I understand, was the only player who was delegated mafia because she asked or stated such preferenced. Disappointing.
-- Losing the Day-whatever-it-was challenge (the video one). I've talked to the Hosts and I apologise for bringing it up, but the way I still see it, I lost to bias and it also happened to drive the mafia's game into near ruin (TGG flipping as the real player and tracker and thus sending me to the grave, etc.) The seemer story / possibility was in the open already, "rey"/TH himself suspected me all along, so losing after two days of efforts to "MM" cracking a llama (oh the irony!) vid joke was desolating and felt rigged. I don't know if this is true, but this is how it feels. If your choice was genuine and unbiased, TH, then you still broke my heart.

It stands for me as a glitch in the Challenger's role design, which is why I think that normally the decider should be third party. Since TH already had info (and suss) on me, compared to the first challenge (which I won), I regard this second challenge as having had no chance to earn his sympathy anymore. All in the past, but just want to share this, for future reflection on how to let players be the judge of others, especially if dynamic and perception can change.
-- Losing my shit on D7 and using the Day end, although we discussed in private that, should things go south, we'll preserve it. But nope - after we lost "Scotty"/BR on D6, the recruit killed "SVS"/JJJ and I suddenly saw red in front of my eyes. I even did a terrible move voting/lynching "rey"/TH, whom we blocked that Night, trying to figure out if he's the killer. It wouldn't have made any sense to push that lynch anymore, since the kill went through. Anyway, dumb and costly and it was 98% over afterwards for us. Props to the real, worthy Golden toughing it out a few more Days.
-- Unanimously lynched, oops.

I'm sure there's more, but I'm too tired right now.

#1962

Turnip Head wrote:My least favorite part was getting blitz lynched in 30 seconds

You're welcome.

#1963

Turnip Head wrote:
boo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:So Lacey was able to recruit last night even though Eloh 2 had been dead since Day 5? How did that work?
She started out recruiting odd nights and killing evens. I got both powers when she was killed. If I died with at least one recruit, they would have passed down again, and if without, the recruiting would stop and the kill would go to the other baddie team.
See, that's annoying

It would have been if we'd been better at recruiting. Besides me and right at the end Epi, the only would be successful recruit was MM2, who had the kill PM sent in befor I got in the recruit PM.

The problem I had was, when I got recruited, I assumed the other team was also a recruit built team, and that whoever had recruited LC2 was someone who had led that lynch and wanted cred. So I started hunting down people who fit a profile that turned out to be worthless, and tried to recruit people who turned out to be bad.

It wasn't until around the time I used the kill prize on Scotty and started decimating the other team (btw, at that point I was probably the most civilian baddie ever. I had killed more confirmed baddies personally than the entirety of the civilians had) that I realized I had things wrong, but even then I still wasn't sure if all civilian roles would be recruitable or not, which is why it took me so long to try getting Epi.

#1964

boo wrote:even then I still wasn't sure if all civilian roles would be recruitable or not, which is why it took me so long to try getting Epi.

Any role with a kill was nonrecruitable. So all the other baddies and llama.

#1965

Ricochet wrote: -- Day 3. TH and whoever else cursed me, if you think you burned me good, then let me tell it was among the best experiences I've had. I've had to play as Golden, TGG (was already "seemed"), G-Man (because of the pictures) AND DrWilgy (because of the challenge to post like him - which I just paraphrased into an inner grotesque-humoresque story), at the same time. How's that for eclecticism! Loved it - even if it was all for naught...

I picked you (and everyone else) for those challenges with the expectation that you would rock it. Lacey 2 of course had to keep undermining my efforts, so I was happy to see him lose the alphabet challenge to Cobalt 2 :P

As for the second challenge you had: I won't argue that the effort wasn't there on your part, and that it was a close vote, and that I suspected you... but I watched the entirety of that llama video, and I was laughing my ass off.

#1966

Congratulations winners! Game well played. boo you were awesome. And kudos to the hosts. You did a great job with everything about this game and I thoroughly enjoyed it even after I left.

#1967

Turnip Head wrote:
Ricochet wrote: -- Day 3. TH and whoever else cursed me, if you think you burned me good, then let me tell it was among the best experiences I've had. I've had to play as Golden, TGG (was already "seemed"), G-Man (because of the pictures) AND DrWilgy (because of the challenge to post like him - which I just paraphrased into an inner grotesque-humoresque story), at the same time. How's that for eclecticism! Loved it - even if it was all for naught...
I picked you (and everyone else) for those challenges with the expectation that you would rock it. Lacey 2 of course had to keep undermining my efforts, so I was happy to see him lose the alphabet challenge to Cobalt 2 :P

As for the second challenge you had: I won't argue that the effort wasn't there on your part, and that it was a close vote, and that I suspected you... but I watched the entirety of that llama video, and I was laughing my ass off.

If you say it was a close vote, then it's still a problem for me, because it can be extremely demoralising. After all, if one can sometimes win with 2 posts, why should one struggle to do so (and fail) with 200...

Or maybe a lesson to learn. But I don't feel it was a quality over quantity lesson. I damn well had the quality. Even TGG found it in his heart to give me a clap for it.

#1968

Ricochet wrote:-- The irony of me playing Golden and Golden playing me and being together on the same team. Hostesses say it was purely random, but I ain't buying it.

That truly was random! What's funny is while this was going on I replaced into Dfaraday's game as a baddie, and got btsc with Dom and MM, who were pretending to be each other in this game, and Golden.

I loved when you guys didn't know who each other were in the btsc. All the sock btsc was so entertaining.

Ricochet wrote:-- The mafia slackers. I'm sorry, but we were seven. SEVEN. And in the end, after "LC" (Eloh) died, it felt like we were only three. And then we were just three. And then... And then... BR I can understand, since she couldn't balance hosting and playing, but we also lost "Wilgy", who had become a second seemer and "Blooper" as a protector. I think BR said in BTSC that Bass is a beast to have as teammate, but sorry, I didn't see any of this. And Lacey, as far as I understand, was the only player who was delegated mafia because she asked or stated such preferenced. Disappointing.

Your team was really troopers. The modkills hurt the team, but you guys still would have stood a chance if it weren't for boo. He was killing your team, and then he took that LD prize to get it out of the hands of the civvies.

lips was the only change, and that one was only because we needed to shift someone around to accommodate DrWilgy who signed up shortly after the randomization. We really couldn't have asked for it to turn out better. Some of the assignments were so perfect.

#1969

Ricochet wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Ricochet wrote: -- Day 3. TH and whoever else cursed me, if you think you burned me good, then let me tell it was among the best experiences I've had. I've had to play as Golden, TGG (was already "seemed"), G-Man (because of the pictures) AND DrWilgy (because of the challenge to post like him - which I just paraphrased into an inner grotesque-humoresque story), at the same time. How's that for eclecticism! Loved it - even if it was all for naught...
I picked you (and everyone else) for those challenges with the expectation that you would rock it. Lacey 2 of course had to keep undermining my efforts, so I was happy to see him lose the alphabet challenge to Cobalt 2 :P

As for the second challenge you had: I won't argue that the effort wasn't there on your part, and that it was a close vote, and that I suspected you... but I watched the entirety of that llama video, and I was laughing my ass off.
If you say it was a close vote, then it's still a problem for me, because it can be extremely demoralising. After all, if one can sometimes win with 2 posts, why should one struggle to do so (and fail) with 200...

Or maybe a lesson to learn. But I don't feel it was a quality over quantity lesson. I damn well had the quality. Even TGG found it in his heart to give me a clap for it.

You should thank me for cursing you that day; otherwise I would have tried to pivot that lynch off of boo 2 and onto you :P

I'm happy with the way I played my role. The challenge was to amuse me, so I'm fine with the decision I made. I enjoyed your vids as well. And I don't blame MM2 for not posting more that phase, it was an ugly thread at that point.

#1970

Turnip Head wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Ricochet wrote: -- Day 3. TH and whoever else cursed me, if you think you burned me good, then let me tell it was among the best experiences I've had. I've had to play as Golden, TGG (was already "seemed"), G-Man (because of the pictures) AND DrWilgy (because of the challenge to post like him - which I just paraphrased into an inner grotesque-humoresque story), at the same time. How's that for eclecticism! Loved it - even if it was all for naught...
I picked you (and everyone else) for those challenges with the expectation that you would rock it. Lacey 2 of course had to keep undermining my efforts, so I was happy to see him lose the alphabet challenge to Cobalt 2 :P

As for the second challenge you had: I won't argue that the effort wasn't there on your part, and that it was a close vote, and that I suspected you... but I watched the entirety of that llama video, and I was laughing my ass off.
If you say it was a close vote, then it's still a problem for me, because it can be extremely demoralising. After all, if one can sometimes win with 2 posts, why should one struggle to do so (and fail) with 200...

Or maybe a lesson to learn. But I don't feel it was a quality over quantity lesson. I damn well had the quality. Even TGG found it in his heart to give me a clap for it.
You should thank me for cursing you that day; otherwise I would have tried to pivot that lynch off of boo 2 and onto you :P

I'm happy with the way I played my role. The challenge was to amuse me, so I'm fine with the decision I made. I enjoyed your vids as well. And I don't blame MM2 for not posting more that phase, it was an ugly thread at that point.

happy is what you have to be happy with

You did enough, anyway. You took my vote away and voted "boo" over "Cookie" last second.

I never once imagined I wouldn't get to keep my vote and, together with "Scotty"s +2 on "Cookie", seal the deal.

Did you enjoy The Syndicate Mafia?