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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:10 pm
reading grass chat. hally sounds genuine and is making me doubt my tr of thunal bc it makes sense that she'd send hally based on prior experience
i just want to clarify that i don’t believe this in and of itself is a strong enough point to warrant serious suspicion on thunal. it was a thought i had because i was thinking about my last experience playing this setup and thun was in the game, so it was a natural connection to draw. that doesn’t have to mean thun was behind sending me this game, and i don’t want this kind of wifom to be given too much weight. if you tr thun on play, you should stick with that
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:16 pm
When did you make that transition to thinking Carotte was town? You pushed to get her in the grasslands and you were pretty confident she was scum, but the second you got in the QT chat you suddenly felt she was town. Why didn't you look at Carotte's scum game before you were in the grasslands together? I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect in your thought process on Carotte.
i thought i explained why i thought carotte would be town in the chat but i’ll try to make it clearer
the last time we both played this setup i pushed hard all of D1 on gia and got her sent to the grassland. i was sent too by scum along with dizzy who was chosen by town. and one of the first things dizzy said in the chat that night was that me being there probably meant gia was town because if she was mafia like i’d thought, i’d have been killed rather than sent. he was right, gia was town
fast forward to this game where i pushed hard on carotte and then found myself sent to the grasslands with her and spf. when i saw that it immediately made me think of the time before and what me being there could mean. it was a natural conclusion to think, based on that previous experience, that the reason i was sent was because carotte was town
once i had that thought i went to check her scum game in amdibals just to check if my hunch was right and saw pretty easily that she was different. i thought to do that some time during D1 actually but i just forgot to check it probably because i got caught up in posting. i’m also realizing as i write this that i still haven’t looked at the games i asked sloonei for. sometimes i just forge to do things idk
but anyway, that was my thought process re: carotte
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:26 pm
man i still just find thunal trustworthy and her point about hally's convenient timing on the carotte realization is intriguing
thunal v hally tdome i guess?? lol
i don’t know why you would suggest that but uh, absolutely not
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:27 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:26 pm
not actually here but uh
what on earth happened in that treehouse
We took turns dipping each other in mayonnaise
oh. lovely
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:10 pm
reading grass chat. hally sounds genuine and is making me doubt my tr of thunal bc it makes sense that she'd send hally based on prior experience
I actually think Hally looks less genuine in the grasslands (and them suspecting me has nothing to do with it). In one of Hally's scum games they put in lots of emotion and were very dramatic but it was coming from a place that didn't make sense. They faked a derp that game and pretended they literally didn't look at the flip because they assumed the flipped was scum and then went "WAIT WHAAAAT HOW ARE THEY TOWN" and was very dramatic. I feel like Hally's sudden flip on Carotte and saying she looked very different from her scum game might not come from a place that makes sense. Why didn't Hally actually evaluate this beforehand?
read my explanation above please. also as an aside, the thing you’re referencing was completely different from that. that was me faking that i didn’t know my teammate had flipped scum to derp clear myself, whereas this was me realizing that i was wrong about carotte being scum and correctly saying she was town. one is a fake derp, the other you can call tmi if you want but it makes complete sense when you consider that this game so far is basically a rerun of last time. i’m obviously going to apply what i learned last time to this game, and that’s where my realization on carotte came from
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:26 pm
jay do you still want to wait a bit before linking the chat?
Let's share Alison's gripes first and see what happens before linking.
The following comes from @Alison, not me, and is for @Hally:
- I've explained my case on Thunal in the thread already. Extra stuff at EOD was bad: moving to a full on scumread on me (from "uncertain") in a very opportunistic manner, right after I went to bed and can't defend myself, and right after other people voiced suspicion of me.
- Many people were unmoved by my push on Thunal, but Hally seems to take it surprisingly personally and lashed out at me for it. Notably, Hally's attack on me felt more like a chainsaw than the other suspicions on me. (compare JJJ's "I think Alison's read is fake" to Hally's line, which was more like "Thunal is a villager and you are scummy for senselessly attacking her!")
- Here's the big one. When LC triple voted the scummiest players in the game, Hally had no objection and went along with it. But at the start of the game they mentioned that they thought only voting one person and not diluting votes was important; and that the last time they played this setup, scum triple voted all the top wagons to deny themselves accountability. From that point of view, it's extremely suspicious that Hally did not raise any issue with Sloonei (someone she was scumreading earlier in the day) doing so.
1) i did not lash out at alison or take her push on thun personally. i have no idea how my posts re: that could be construed as such but i think it’s a misrepresentation
2) i didn’t have an issue with sloonei doing that probably because at that point i was convinced carotte was mafia and that sloonei was town because of that. now we know that carotte was town, and if you look at the grasslands chat, i did make a point of saying that carotte being town would be a bad look for sloonei because he avoided giving a concrete stance on carotte for basically the entire day despite the attention she was getting. his voting at EoD is a part of that problematic posture, but i think it goes beyond that. generally, i don’t think sloonei made a real effort to solve carotte’s alignment D1 or affect the elimination in any way and he needs to answer for that
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:26 pm
not actually here but uh
what on earth happened in that treehouse
Did you look at the chat yet? I just linked it.
where? i didn’t see a link