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The second in my ambitious series of Kubrick themed mafias, based on my second favorite Kubrick film. This will be a straightforward game with no secrets and everything out in the open, only with an added Hierarchy mechanic. This being a story of people swept along by the whim of circumstance, the individual players are fairly limited in their night powers, but I do not think that will lessen the fun substantially.

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Redmond Barry - An opportunistic Irish lad determined to advance his station in the world. He attempts to kill every night, but the kill only succeeds if it targets someone of the next higher class (Barry starts as a peasant, so first must kill a soldier, and then a noble.) When such a kill succeeds, Barry advances to the class of the person killed. In order to win, Barry must be alive and at the highest social station at the end of the game.

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Lady Lyndon - Wealthy Noblewoman on whom Barry has his eye. Has BTSC with Reverend Runt

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Sir Charles Lyndon - Lady Lyndon's infirm husband. He is too weak to do much, but Barry cannot advance to the rank of Nobility while he lives

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Lord Bullingdon - Barry's son-in-law who hates and resents the Irish commoner who would usurp his family's good name and squander their fortune. Each night, he searches for Barry. If he finds him, they have a duel which only one can survive.

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The Chevalier de Balibari - A professional gambler. Each night he selects another player and wagers a number of lynch votes of his choosing. A game of chance commences and the loser takes that many lynch votes on the following day. The Chevalier cheats, so the odds are slightly in his favor.

The Lords and Ladies win when the Captains are dead.

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Captain Potzdorf - Officer in the Prussian army. He kills every night and if he is killed his power moves to someone else.

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Captain John Quin - Barry's rival for the affections of Nora. Has BTSC with Nora.

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Captain Grogan - An old friend of Barry's and also an officer in the British army. Cannot be killed by Barry

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Captain Feeney - A famous highwayman. Each night he can rob one player of their vote and use it for his own purposes.

The Captains have BTSC with each other and win when they outnumber the remaining players.

Peasants, Servants and Children
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Reverend Samuel Runt - Longtime tutor to the Lyndon children. Loyal to Lady Lyndon and has BTSC with her.

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Belle, Barry's Mother - A doting mother willing to do anything for her boy. Has BTSC with Barry.

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Nora Brady - Barry's first love, but rejects him in favor of the wealthy Captain Quin. Has BTSC with Captain Quin.

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Bryan Lyndon - Barry's beloved son. If he dies, Barry turns to drink and drops a rank in the hierarchy.

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Lischen - A German peasant maid. She can provide nourishment to weary travelers, which they can use to remove lynch votes from themselves.

The Peasants, Servants and Children win when all the Captains are dead.

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2. No role outing, info dumping, or fun ruining.
3. No editing or deleting of posts
4. No hissy fits or temper tantrums.
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6. Days will last 48 hours, night will last 24 hours.
7. Any player who does not post, vote, or send in a PM for a period of 72 hours will be deemed a non-participant and their P-Score affected.
8. The Host reserves the right to change or add to these rules without notice.

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Re: Barry Lyndon - Day 0

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DAY 0


Ah, what a glorious day in God's green Ireland. If only everyone wasn't so dratted poor, and if only there weren't so many thieves, scoundrels, rogues, and various other criminals skulking about. What one wants s to pull oneself up by the bootstraps. Sure, and that's the way to success and happiness in this life, me lads. Best get to work, right after you finish chopping that pile of wood!

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Guess I'll check in later.
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What tempestuous times, indeed! But aside the lowly banes and crooks of our village, I am also increasingly worried of our captains' way to do justice these days and cling to their swords and pistols as a mean of enforcement and sovereignity. So let us gather quickly and swiftly do away with them. :srsnod:

Also, anyone for some Schubert? :tunes: I heard he wrote a new quintet, calling The Trout, which must be the oddballest of things, since the only trout I know to be served is on plates.
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I'm here!

But due to a 5/4 deadline for various end of the semester things, my activity will be spotty for the next 48 hours FYI.
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I'll be travelling with business the day after tomorrow, which will likely not be too auspicious for our first Day's concluding activities, but what can one do, I doubt the horse carriage will have the best means of communication, now, will it?
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I am here and received a role but haven't looked at it yet.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm here!

But due to a 5/4 deadline for various end of the semester things, my activity will be spotty for the next 48 hours FYI.
Lol for a sec I thought you said your activities will be scotty and I was like :scared:
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Ninth....... :puppy:
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Zebra was first that means she is mafia and excited to play lets lynch her. :P
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sig wrote:Ninth....... :puppy:
Tenth, :disappoint:

a2thezebra wrote:First~~~

Zebra was first that means she is mafia and excited to play lets lynch her. :P
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Hey y'all,

I will be your Moderator on Duty for this game. I'm looking forward to following along. If at any point you are feeling upset or frustrated by the game, another player, the host, or anyone else, I encourage you to let me know. I am happy to talk about any concerns you may have. I might involve myself independently if I think it is warranted, not in a punitive way but just to support the game and each of you.

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Good JJJ I'm mad that I wasn't first!
Yell at everyone who posted before me please, orrrrrr send me back in time so I can be first either works. :P


Also I hate to jump right into game stuff, but I'm going to we're at 9/4/1 and that is at the start of the game. So I'd say we need to be very careful. We don't need to focus on Hunting Barry atm since he does need to kill one mafia member, and 1 to 2 civs is worth one mafia member imo. However, if we are to lynch Barry it wouldn't be a big deal. I do think we need to be careful about who to lynch and not rush into things this game since we are operating under a very tight margin of error.
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I am here. I will check in periodically but my attention will be spotty until Sunday when I am back from vacation.

Linki: Haven't looked much at the roles and objectives yet, but looks like Barry has to kill a minimum of at least 3 people to have a chance to win.
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Also here's to hoping I don't die on Day 1. Again.

Pretty please? :puppy:
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I will be your FNM (Friendly Neighborhood Marmot) for this game. I'm looking forward to following along. If at any point you need something cute and fluffy in this game, another player, the host, or anyone else, I encourage you to let me know. I am happy to assuage any needs for cuteness you may have. I might involve myself independently if I think it is cuter, not in an aggressive way but just a mildly forward kind of cute to support the game and each of you.

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I propose that we lynch BWT and Zebra, in that given order
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DrWilgy wrote:I propose that we lynch BWT and Zebra, in that given order
Lol @ bwt being thrown around as a day 1 lynch candidate
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Good morrow to our waking souls.

I dare ask, Sir Sig, why do you fret so much upon the stripe-dressed lady being the first to show up?
sig wrote: Also I hate to jump right into game stuff, but I'm going to we're at 9/4/1 and that is at the start of the game. So I'd say we need to be very careful. We don't need to focus on Hunting Barry atm since he does need to kill one mafia member, and 1 to 2 civs is worth one mafia member imo. However, if we are to lynch Barry it wouldn't be a big deal. I do think we need to be careful about who to lynch and not rush into things this game since we are operating under a very tight margin of error.
Indeed you are not mistaken that this is a tight and risky affair. Four representatives of terror against nine good-hearted fellows is a bit harrowing of a proportion, making me almost wish that our esteemed Host would have taken liberties to place some vanilla farmers and peasants into the action. We the commoners are required to "eliminate", whilst the Captains need only to "outnumber". And with that ratio set between the righteous and the tyrannous, it shouldn't take many missteps on our behalf for them to achieve it.

Now, onto the matter of this Barry chap that's generating a lot of talk over by each grapevine in the village as of late, I regard him as the embodiment of an independent, towards which neither outright malignant pursuit nor any form of trust should be shown. He seems tailored very close to the source of our Lord Kubrick's design, in that he is only interested in his own opportunities. Indeed his first move can do us all a great good, since his blade must meet the neck of a plain ribboned captain. But should he achieve that, I'm afraid things will turn for the worse, afterwards, given that he has to take the life of a noble. Sir Charles Lyndon also appears to be a thorn in his side. He could also have the odds in favor to do away with Lord Bullingdon, should they ever meet on the streets. So that's a critical toll of three noble characters that might serve his ascension.

So let us focus, no doubt, on demoting the county mounties, but let us be forever wary of Barry. I will shed no tear, should we entrap him by accident with our lynch proceedings.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I am here. I will check in periodically but my attention will be spotty until Sunday when I am back from vacation.

Linki: Haven't looked much at the roles and objectives yet, but looks like Barry has to kill a minimum of at least 3 people to have a chance to win.
Where in your count do you arrive to that number? For I count a minimum of 2 people. Or are you referencing the requirement of Sir Charles Lyndon's death? For it is not wrong to include his death as necessary to Barry's plans, still Barry does not need to directly kill him, unless he should get so lucky in his own searches.

Now, my fellow dwellers, I must confess that the role that gives me the greatest pause is that of Miss Nora Brady, for I do not know what on earth to make of her presentation. BTSC with a member of the vile task force?! I do not sense her to be destined to betray our cause, given that her winning condition is the general fair one of the civilians. Nonetheless, what are we to make of such a bond? She possesses direct knowledge of who one of our four targets happens to be.
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The only way I have seen cross affiliation BTSC happen is if at least one of the parties goes in as their role, not as the player.

@Llama, is that the case? Also, if Barry's son is NKed, Barry will know his role since it effects his win con? Barry can win with the Captains?
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S~V~S wrote:The only way I have seen cross affiliation BTSC happen is if at least one of the parties goes in as their role, not as the player.

@Llama, is that the case? Also, if Barry's son is NKed, Barry will know his role since it effects his win con? Barry can win with the Captains?
Nora Brady and Captain Quin will not know each other's identities unless one of them gets too blabby. Barry will know if he drops a rank in the hierarchy, but he can't drop below peasant, so he may not know if Bryan is killed, depending on circumstances. Barry can win with the Captains as long as he is alive and a Lord when they achieve their win condition.
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I haven't seen the film yet :(
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S~V~S wrote:The only way I have seen cross affiliation BTSC happen is if at least one of the parties goes in as their role, not as the player.

@Llama, is that the case? Also, if Barry's son is NKed, Barry will know his role since it effects his win con? Barry can win with the Captains?
This did not cross my mind this morning, nor upon reading the roles, in which her BTSC clearance is redacted in the same fashion as all the other BTSC connections (and one can assume the others, between people of the same affiliation, would be more permissive). It seems the only practical way, indeed. I rescind my wariness of Miss Nora Brady's status and intentions in this game, although I can only pray that she be dexterous enough, as to not reveal herself to Captain Quin (not to mention he would have the support of his crew in attempting to discern things). With some good fortune, she might even be able to gain the upper hand herself.
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Well, we don't know that for sure, but it seems likely. Nora will have to watch out for manipulation big time, though. Plus sheis gonna have to be really carefulabout her opinions in there. Godspeed, Nora.

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ebwop, I did not notice that he already DID answer it. Fast host is fast.
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It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.
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Epignosis wrote:...
:haha: A very modest proposal indeed.
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Is this in the wrong thread?
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Too wordy, henceforth I shan't leaf through.
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S~V~S wrote:Is this in the wrong thread?
If I'm not mistaken, he is making light of the plight of the starving Irish in this game's setting by posting the famous satirical essay "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift, in which he proposes to solve the Irish famine by eating babies.
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So it's off topic?
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Technically, Swift was five years into his grave already when our story unfolds.
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S~V~S wrote:So it's off topic?
Depends on your point of view, I suppose.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

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I mean that I am in the bathroom at work on my phone. Do the satirical essays of Swift have any beating on the game? Will this info be something I need for game purposes?
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S~V~S wrote:I mean that I am in the bathroom at work on my phone. Do the satirical essays of Swift have any beating on the game? Will this info be something I need for game purposes?
No, you don't need to read it.
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S~V~S wrote:I mean that I am in the bathroom at work on my phone. Do the satirical essays of Swift have any beating on the game? Will this info be something I need for game purposes?
I am dubious about this exercise of copy and pasting having any purpose to our play.
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Yay game! Could Epi's Swift post be a hint as to his status?
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DFaraday wrote:Yay game! Could Epi's Swift post be a hint as to his status?
It is! Good catch! I teach high school English.
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So it's a role hint?
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S~V~S wrote:So it's a role hint?
Indeed. A real life role hint.

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OK, you said Faraday made a good catch. This implies a game related point. So gotcha, it is not related to your role.
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Ricochet wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I am here. I will check in periodically but my attention will be spotty until Sunday when I am back from vacation.

Linki: Haven't looked much at the roles and objectives yet, but looks like Barry has to kill a minimum of at least 3 people to have a chance to win.
Where in your count do you arrive to that number? For I count a minimum of 2 people. Or are you referencing the requirement of Sir Charles Lyndon's death? For it is not wrong to include his death as necessary to Barry's plans, still Barry does not need to directly kill him, unless he should get so lucky in his own searches.
I was counting Sir Charles Lyndon as the third, but I misread and thought Barry had to kill him. So I think you're right with it being 2.
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DrWilgy wrote:I propose that we lynch BWT and Zebra, in that given order
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Why did you post that, Epi?
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Long Con wrote:Why did you post that, Epi?
Why, for the good instruction of the village, kind sir!
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