Barry Lyndon - Endgame

[Long Con]

LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

Roller coaster?? After Serge died, you are the Civviest Civ on my rainbow list, Wilgy. Of course I voted to save you - YOU chose DF as the vehicle for that, not me.

Pardon my quick off-the-cuff vote post, I was at a friend's house and just barely remembered to come and vote before the deadline... I wasn't interested in making a big thing out of it, I just needed to get in there.

Scotty, you may be right...

You are a pretzel. Without salt.

"Without salt"... that means "no hard feelings", right? I learned about salt over at Jesus Toast Mafia.

[Marmot]

I would be happy lynching the epiphany, the licking angel, the dingus, the batbear, or the pretzel (without salt) tomorrow.

[Marmot]

In the above listed order too. Except swap the batbear and the pretzel.

[S~V~S]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

[Marmot]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

As long as you had fun, then I'll forgive you.

[Long Con]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

That's ok, things went really well without you.

Who would you have voted for?

[S~V~S]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

That's ok, things went really well without you.

Who would you have voted for?

You lunched a civvie, you think that is really good?

I likely would have wanted to vote BWT, but probably would have voted Wilgy cause I did not think Faraday was bad

But really,I have no idea, I have been saying that for days.

[Long Con]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

That's ok, things went really well without you.

Who would you have voted for?

You lunched a civvie, you think that is really good?

I likely would have wanted to vote BWT, but probably would have voted Wilgy cause I did not think Faraday was bad

But really,I have no idea, I have been saying that for days.

Oh, I meant they went really well from a baddie perspective.

[Scotty]

LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

Roller coaster?? After Serge died, you are the Civviest Civ on my rainbow list, Wilgy. Of course I voted to save you - YOU chose DF as the vehicle for that, not me.

Pardon my quick off-the-cuff vote post, I was at a friend's house and just barely remembered to come and vote before the deadline... I wasn't interested in making a big thing out of it, I just needed to get in there.

Scotty, you may be right...

You are a pretzel. Without salt.

"Without salt"... that means "no hard feelings", right? I learned about salt over at Jesus Toast Mafia.

Those two sentences are separate viewpoints. Do you or do you not think Wilgy is bad, since you say I may be right?

This sentence is bullsuit. You placed the tieing vote for a lynch. That is, inherently, "making a big thing out of it".

[DrWilgy]

Views on the votes.
DFaraday - DrWilgy (9), Metalmarsh89 (10), Sorsha (11), Long Con (12) 33%
DrWilgy - Scotty (3), Epignosis (5), birdwithteeth11 (6), DFaraday (8) 33%
Missed - SVS (never) bbq%

I'm pretty sure the only reason I lived is because a captain or 2 wanted me to.

[Scotty]

From night 2:

I've been a baddie with Zebra before, and she absolutely loves the idea of teammate bussing.

This was in a wall post regarding Wilgy.

You must have forgotten that you were the 4th and last vote for zebra. At that point in day 2, the only other vote was Epi's SVS one.

This is your first interaction with zebra, day 2:

Your patterns, I've told you this before. This is Star Wars Wilgy on full display.

How sure are you about this? Have you been right about Wilgy in the past?

This is like a lawyer asking direct questions to his own witness. "If you were a killer, which brand of knife would you use?"

Twenty minutes later:

You both look bad right now to me.

Why is that?

This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.

And you vote zebra.

Day 3: you come out swinging with 4 major points against Wilgy that could categorize him as being zebra's busmate:

Spoiler: show

Ok Wilgy, here's some responses:

Also, what would've prompted said "bold moves" that statement doesn't make any sense. Since there's no cause. Cause and effect statements only work if there's a cause which you haven't presented.

If "with the numbers" or the set player number is the cause... Why then? Why would on day 2, I would go after my teammate instead of day 1? Why not wait till 3 if numbers is the reason? after being hardly vocal, and numbers have anything to do with that? Perhaps my thoughts were this "hey I know we just gained some advantage in our baddie to civ ratio, now is clearly the time to make a bold move and go after my teammate."

What you are saying and/or proposing makes no sense.

Tldr - What about the exchange was ludicrous, what prompted my bold moves if I'm bad, and what do the numbers have to do with my actions? Because right now it seems like you are saying things to say them.

You're taking a gut theory and trying to analyze it out of existence, if you understand what I mean. I don't have a Big Reason why it would happen on Day 2, and not Day 1 or Day 3. I've been a baddie with Zebra before, and she absolutely loves the idea of teammate bussing. In Coquelicot Mafia, on a baddie team with me, she actually was making moves that made it take slightly longer, and made it slightly harder, for us to win, because she wanted to stick with a bussing plan so badly. We still quite dominated that game, but won a day later than we could have because she didn't want to give it up. And it wasn't even for a big reason, it was just because she had started it and wanted to stay the course and have fun with it. We were cool with it (albeit with rolled eyes and some sidelong concerned glances) because our victorious outcome seemed pretty inevitable either way at that point.

I don't recall seeing you play this way before, Wilgy. You are so carefree and zany so much of the time, and since zebra's lynch, you have changed into a laser-focused player that I don't recognize. I don't know how to analyze that, can you point to a time when you have done it before? You seem like a completely different player.

You say that what I proposed made no sense with *reasons* why... hell, you have typed fifty times the words against it that I ever used to put it out there. It was how I felt at the time, at one point in your back-and-forth with her, it stopped feeling like a real conversation to me. That's all, I understand that you don't want me or anyone else to feel that way, you have given reasons why it "makes no sense"... but the zebra I know and the Wilgy I thought I knew don't always require that logical core, they are players who are willing to freewheel it and splash a little chaos in order to hopefully come out on top of it all. Unlike players such as Dom and Epi, who I view as wanting to keep tight control on their perspectives and posts at all times.

Lastly (on this point anyways), as a teammate, you would have had no idea that the zebra accusation would catch on as much as it did, but your back-and-forth ended up dominating a large part of Day 2, due to this being a quieter sort of game.

Quick question, LC & Sorsha, can I get opinions on each other? Not becasue I specifically suspect either of you, but becasue of recent history, I think it would be valuable.

Hmm... What recent history is this SVS?

Also, LC and SVS, could you two comment on each other? I'm intrigued as to what you two think of each other.

But then you take it all back after you sleep on it:

birdwithteeth11
DFaraday
Scotty
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
Epignosis
S~V~S
DrWilgy
Serge
Long Con

This was really tough to do, and it's a bit of a hasty slap-chop. I still feel most comfortable with going by the missed kill evidence and lynching BWT. DF, Scotty, and Metalmarsh are vaguely interchangable, I think I trust them less than Sorsha-S~V~S-Epi. Wilgy, I haven't really entertained the notion that you and zeebs are teammates since your original reaction, I like you as a Civ right now. Serge too.

Day 4: you question Wilgy's stubbornness and say stuff like "I can't understand you", "I'm calling fake" and "you're acting strange".

Votes DFaraday because he is a "baddie bad bad"

So let's sum up your thought process this game concerning Wilgy-zebra
-Zebra who?
-Zebra, are you sure Wilgy is bad?
-Both Wilgy and zebra are bad. The exchange looks staged. Voting zebra.
-Zebra was bad, and so is Wilgy.
-Wilgy is bad, but BWT probably missed that night kill, so voting BWT. But Wilgy is still bad.
-Here's a huge post outlining reasons Wilgy is bad.
-Wilgy looks pretty civ to me.
-don't understand Wilgy. He's acting fake.
-DFARADAY IS BAD. Literally saves Wilgy after calling him bad all game, except for the one part where Wilgy is "the civviest civ on my rainbow list."


So far, I have no idea what stance LC is taking besides being a plastic bag in the wind.

[Long Con]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

[Scotty]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

I would be nervous to hear what you call your Mafia reads in thread, because it certainly doesn't appear like you call them bad

[Long Con]

[Scotty]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

[Long Con]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

[Scotty]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

What is this even in response to? Your position on everyone is still muddied, and it seems like you aren't defining anything on anyone.

Who is your number one Mafia read?

[birdwithteeth11]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

What is this even in response to? Your position on everyone is still muddied, and it seems like you aren't defining anything on anyone.

Who is your number one Mafia read?

Based on his responses, I'd throw LC up there as a Wilgy teammate.

Of course, I think his entire team voted for DFaraday, and I think they're starting to think they may have a numbers advantage after tonight.

[thellama73]

The End

Sometimes, no matter how hard one strives, no matter how carefully laid the plans, circumstances conspire to ruin any chances of success. Such was the case with young Redmond Barry, whose abbreviated career never displayed the promise offered by his ambition.

Epignosis has been killed. The Captains have won the game.
Congratulations to a2thezebra, Long Con, Metalmarsh89 and Sorsha.

In hindsight, I suppose this could be regarded as another failed Llama experiment. Although I don't think the game was unbalanced so much as heavily dependent on the first day/night cycle. A successful lynch combined with a kill by Barry would have left the mafia decimated almost before they began. However, Rocochet(Barry) had the misfortune to draw the first night kill, which lefts the civilians without much hope.

I apologize for the brevity of the game, but I hope people had gun all the same. Thank you, as ever, for playing!

[Epignosis]

Logan, see my latest PM please.

[Marmot]

That mafia team though.

[sig]

Ha I was right about LC again. :P

[Marmot]

I thought I was toast the minute I subbed in.

I was Quin and had BTSC with Nora. MP never logged into the BTSC chatroom, and of course I logged in within minutes of subsituting in.

[Sorsha]

[Epignosis]

Three bad lynches and game over.

[Long Con]

DrWilgy, you were fantastic that game!

[Marmot]

Long Con did actually forget to send the nightkill in on Night 2. That was no gambit.

[Long Con]

Haaaa, yeah, I totally sucked, and it worked out after I hid under some coats.

[Epignosis]

Three bad lynches and missed kill even and game over.

[Marmot]

Three bad lynches and missed kill even and SVSbarbecue and game over.

[Long Con]

Three bad lynches and missed kill even and game over.

a2thezebra was a good lynch!

[thellama73]

Three bad lynches and game over.

I know, I'm sorry! I thought Barry would kill at least one baddie before getting himself killed.

[DrWilgy]

Never try harding again.

At least I got 3/4 before it ended.

[DrWilgy]

Oh man... 4 civ votea on me that last cycle prevented me from lynching LC! Im so razzled!!!

[Epignosis]

Never try harding again.

At least I got 3/4 before it ended.

I think you did a fine job, even if I suspected you for it. I think you need to sink that effort into larger games.

[DrWilgy]

Regardless of Razzlebazzle. Good game! Thank you Llama!

Maybe, it goes against my rules to play multiple games similarly.

[DrWilgy]

I figured out Marmot in our chat really easily, I just had nothing to validate my suspicion on him until after that silly last day wagon.

[Long Con]

Oh man... 4 civ votea on me that last cycle prevented me from lynching LC! Im so razzled!!!

Lynching me?

[DrWilgy]

Oh man... 4 civ votea on me that last cycle prevented me from lynching LC! Im so razzled!!!

Lynching me?

I couldn't start a wagon on you even if I wanted to... It was me and the captains vs the DF!

*removes tongue*

[Marmot]

I figured out Marmot in our chat really easily, I just had nothing to validate my suspicion on him until after that silly last day wagon.

We had this really excellent plan on Day 4. After you voted for Epignosis, then LC, Sorsha and I were going to pile on behind you at the last minute for fun.

[Marmot]

I figured out Marmot in our chat really easily, I just had nothing to validate my suspicion on him until after that silly last day wagon.

I tried to mitigate the obviousness. I woke up at 5:00 AM two days in a row and posted in there with the hopes to throw you off.

It didn't work! I suppose you now have rights to my sig.

[DrWilgy]

I figured out Marmot in our chat really easily, I just had nothing to validate my suspicion on him until after that silly last day wagon.

We had this really excellent plan on Day 4. After you voted for Epignosis, then LC, Sorsha and I were going to pile on behind you at the last minute for fun.

I figured as much... I was taking everything you said backwards since I called you by name in our chat do I get signature rights? (this is also why I wasn't actually suspicious of Epi)

Linki - lol kk lemme think o sumptin

[DrWilgy]

K Marmot friend, add this to your signature somewhere:

[Marmot]

K Marmot friend, add this to your signature somewhere:

May I keep this for more than one month please?

[DrWilgy]

You may do as you please Marmot friend.

[a2thezebra]

Haha nice. When I was lynched I was afraid my ISO would become town's greatest ally after some accurate observations were being made in the wake of my death, but luckily you guys started overthinking and my splendid teammates made quick work of everyone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Congrats to the winners.

Thanks again everyone for making this game so easy to MoD for in my first go. You were all terrific sports. If anyone feels I overlooked something or I should have intervened somewhere, or has any other comments about the MoDing in this game, please let me know. I won't be offended; I'd like to improve for next time if need be.

[a2thezebra]

You were terrible, the worst modding job I've ever seen.

[S~V~S]

Congrats winners; I was so disjointed this game. My gut told me LC was bad, but my logic told me he couldn't be, so my cerebral cortex shut down. And LC/Sorsha bad again!?!?!

[Ricochet]

(Rocochet? Rococo-chet? And did not "have gun", because I didn't get to become a Captain! )

Wait, it's over? Put an Endgame sign on it at least, good sir! And reveal some roles. Were you Lady Jessica, SVS?

Congrats to the winners, I guess. This was a pretty lame loss for me and it just happened to tarnish my wingrab pristine record. Barry was precisely the role I didn't desire much to be, because of the narrow window in which he was required to ascend (with two obstacles in his way, as well: hitting the immune captain or falling in ranks if Boy Lyndon dies). Nevertheless I was fully invested in this theme, as far as my roleplay can perhaps be the proof of that, and had my hopes.

I let Mother sig to the faith of a three-way tie, instead of trying to make an obvious save move, and then lost him. Sorry. Then I got bounced for *insert reasons*. In retrospect, I see that I had Long Con rightfully in the bottom area and I was starting to suspect MP for lurking his ass off. Plus, I targeted a Captain. So that's three out of four. Blergh.

Night 1, I planned to simply revenge sig's death by targetting either LC or Zebra. I fraking hit the immune Captain! On the plus side, I'm glad my vigi skills have technically not weakened one bit since Donner. But yeah, fail.