[END] Pikmin Mafia

[Marmot]

That's the funny thing about mafia.

I felt like I was not playing a town me this game. Yet, folks continued to say, "oh that's just MM being MM, he must be civ".

Even Epignosis made a comment late in the game, "I just can't see a mafia MM doing such-and-such." Then again, he was convinced there was a single mafia left, which may have influenced his decision.

Please enlighten us, Sir Marmot, what exactly constitutes as you "not playing town"?

Because I thought you were indistinguishable from every other game you played.

Instead of joking around on Day 2, I posted a large case against Epignosis. :P

But kept him off my back for a while.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh I remember that, but I thought it was a civ sign at the time.

... I need to revise my civ/bad signs.

[Typhoony]

Secondly, I really struggled to comprehend why any of you thought I was Mafia... The way I behaved in this game is classic 'Town Me' so if you doubt my sincerity, I think it will cause a problem at some point. Especially, I didn't get Typhoony. You KNEW there was someone out there who knew your identity. Early on when a number of people started voicing their suspicion of you, I'd not have thought it a big stretch for you to reason that someone who might defend you (or at least deflect the suspicions of others - as I did) just might have been Alph. In any case, it's a good thing you were eliminated by the Mafia when you were - if I'd had to read one more post where you were defaming me for likely having been 'bad', you'd have been hearing from my lawyers!

You have to realize that people can say things for different reasons.

Initially, when you made that post where you said you thought I was civ, I immediately pencilled you in as Alph. I mentioned that to Epi in BTSC at some point, pretty sure of that.
It was only later on, when it became clear that either you or K4J had to have been bad, that I started to second doubt that. I started to think that it was a possibility that the baddies had tried to kill me, failed, but thus knew that I was a protagonist and you could have been buddying up to me. That idea grew stronger and stronger until I just assumed you were bad.
So, you see, there are multiple ways to look at almost anything anyone posts, including what - in your eyes - was a clear hint to me that you were Alph.

In the end, it would not have mattered. I never looked at your posts to figure out who was bad, as I wasn't sure of that either. I never looked at K4Js posts for that either. I'm not going to base any of my conclusions on the basis that a person *may* have been bad and look through their posts. That was honestly the first thing (perhaps only) that made me go "eh" with regards to FZ, when she tried to do that.
Hell, in the very end I wasn't even sure Epi was rock pikmin anymore, even though I had multiple pieces of evidence that could hardly have been refuted. Mostly because he said in BTSC that he would follow my lead in voting, yet tried to have me vote agleam when I had mine on MM.


Baddies played a really good game. Combine that with the lack of civilian participation and the amazing amount of mislynches, we only have ourselves to blame.

I did like the caving aspect, except for that one time when Enrique and Soneji died because of it. Sorry for that guys

[Marmot]

Yeah, oh well.

I think #SavetheDoctor is the new hip and happening trend.

Do you like frozen spaghetti as much as I do?

[Matt]

Great game baddies! Sorry for not participating as much, civvies, I've been extremely busy the last couple of weeks.

At one point I was gathered by Alph, and immediately started talking about the tv show Alf in OT green, hoping Alph would get it. Did you pick up on that, Glor? Also, Glor, haha, I did think you were bad but I was also mostly just trying to have fun whenever I posted. No hard feelings on "tunneling" you?

DDL - Haha I wasn't even convinced on k4J. I had no idea what was going on. Well done, bad peeps!

[Glorfindel]

Secondly, I really struggled to comprehend why any of you thought I was Mafia... The way I behaved in this game is classic 'Town Me' so if you doubt my sincerity, I think it will cause a problem at some point. Especially, I didn't get Typhoony. You KNEW there was someone out there who knew your identity. Early on when a number of people started voicing their suspicion of you, I'd not have thought it a big stretch for you to reason that someone who might defend you (or at least deflect the suspicions of others - as I did) just might have been Alph. In any case, it's a good thing you were eliminated by the Mafia when you were - if I'd had to read one more post where you were defaming me for likely having been 'bad', you'd have been hearing from my lawyers!

You have to realize that people can say things for different reasons.

Initially, when you made that post where you said you thought I was civ, I immediately pencilled you in as Alph. I mentioned that to Epi in BTSC at some point, pretty sure of that.
It was only later on, when it became clear that either you or K4J had to have been bad, that I started to second doubt that. I started to think that it was a possibility that the baddies had tried to kill me, failed, but thus knew that I was a protagonist and you could have been buddying up to me. That idea grew stronger and stronger until I just assumed you were bad.
So, you see, there are multiple ways to look at almost anything anyone posts, including what - in your eyes - was a clear hint to me that you were Alph.

In the end, it would not have mattered. I never looked at your posts to figure out who was bad, as I wasn't sure of that either. I never looked at K4Js posts for that either. I'm not going to base any of my conclusions on the basis that a person *may* have been bad and look through their posts. That was honestly the first thing (perhaps only) that made me go "eh" with regards to FZ, when she tried to do that.
Hell, in the very end I wasn't even sure Epi was rock pikmin anymore, even though I had multiple pieces of evidence that could hardly have been refuted. Mostly because he said in BTSC that he would follow my lead in voting, yet tried to have me vote agleam when I had mine on MM.


Baddies played a really good game. Combine that with the lack of civilian participation and the amazing amount of mislynches, we only have ourselves to blame.

I did like the caving aspect, except for that one time when Enrique and Soneji died because of it. Sorry for that guys

I'm totally hearing you Mate You're forgiven - no hard feelings . I'm just happy that you DID notice that reference to you. And yeah, it's undeniably true... You CAN interpret what people say in any way you like. I'd just really liked for someone to have trusted me...

[Glorfindel]

Great game baddies! Sorry for not participating as much, civvies, I've been extremely busy the last couple of weeks.

At one point I was gathered by Alph, and immediately started talking about the tv show Alf in OT green, hoping Alph would get it. Did you pick up on that, Glor? Also, Glor, haha, I did think you were bad but I was also mostly just trying to have fun whenever I posted. No hard feelings on "tunneling" you?

DDL - Haha I wasn't even convinced on k4J. I had no idea what was going on. Well done, bad peeps!

I was very happy to have gathered you Matt No, I didn't pick up on your reference as I didn't know (and couldn't confirm) whether you knew you'd been gathered let alone know by whom...? In any case I'm afraid your reference was a little too obscure for me at the time but I wish I had noticed it

It disappoints me no end though that you of all people thought I was bad. I thought you demonstrated some capacity to 'read' me but sadly, it appears that I was wrong...

[Epignosis]

It disappoints me no end though that you of all people thought I was bad. I thought you demonstrated some capacity to 'read' me but sadly, it appears that I was wrong...

The civilian that gathered me killed you just when I started suspecting you. I took it for a sign from the Pikmin god.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Here's what happened: I wrote a huge wall of text about Glorfindel where (although I ultimately concluded he was not suspicious) I bashed his playstyle over and over.

Normally when someone does that to me, at the very least, I try to argue.

But Glorfindel went and replied it with a post so happy it couldn't be true. He had no anger or frustration whatsoever. No suspicion. No paranoia. No attempt to discuss my (negative) points about him. Just pure friendliness and understanding.

And then for the subsequent days, he proceeded to make it clear I was the most civ person he knew in the world, and to buddy with me at every chance he got.

I now admit the mistake, but at the time, the whole thing seemed forced. Like, I assumed a normal player would at least suspect me a little, and not trust me THAT much.

He was also changing his suspicious on a heartbeat, like the whole thing with Daisy. And that also felt suspicious to me.

I had already decided I was killing 2 people, so I went with my gut and offed him.

I now understand he was just letting his emotions define who he trusted or not.

[Glorfindel]

Here's what happened: I wrote a huge wall of text about Glorfindel where (although I ultimately concluded he was not suspicious) I bashed his playstyle over and over.

Normally when someone does that to me, at the very least, I try to argue.

But Glorfindel went and replied it with a post so happy it couldn't be true. He had no anger or frustration whatsoever. No suspicion. No paranoia. No attempt to discuss my (negative) points about him. Just pure friendliness and understanding.

And then for the subsequent days, he proceeded to make it clear I was the most civ person he knew in the world, and to buddy with me at every chance he got.

I now admit the mistake, but at the time, the whole thing seemed forced. Like, I assumed a normal player would at least suspect me a little, and not trust me THAT much.

He was also changing his suspicious on a heartbeat, like the whole thing with Daisy. And that also felt suspicious to me.

I had already decided I was killing 2 people, so I went with my gut and offed him.

I now understand he was just letting his emotions define who he trusted or not.

Whilst what I said may have APPEARED to be forced, I can assure you that it wasn't at all and the truth bears that out. And that's kinda what I've been trying to get at the whole time I've been here. What you witnessed there was 100% pure Town Glorfindel. Frankly, I thought your analysis was one of the highlights of the entire game for me. I can only aspire to your level of thorough forensic analysis. The thing is, I was convinced you were Town - I am not remotely threatened by a healthy and reasoned skepticism by someone whom I respect in these games. I'm really sorry that you couldn't see that before you 'offed' me. As for 'buddying up' to you, it wasn't that - I just recognized you as someone experienced here from which I could actually learn a lot. Again, I'm sorry you misinterpreted my intentions. For all that, one of the things I most look forward to now is playing more games with you - clearly, I have a LOT left to learn

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Here's what happened: I wrote a huge wall of text about Glorfindel where (although I ultimately concluded he was not suspicious) I bashed his playstyle over and over.

Normally when someone does that to me, at the very least, I try to argue.

But Glorfindel went and replied it with a post so happy it couldn't be true. He had no anger or frustration whatsoever. No suspicion. No paranoia. No attempt to discuss my (negative) points about him. Just pure friendliness and understanding.

And then for the subsequent days, he proceeded to make it clear I was the most civ person he knew in the world, and to buddy with me at every chance he got.

I now admit the mistake, but at the time, the whole thing seemed forced. Like, I assumed a normal player would at least suspect me a little, and not trust me THAT much.

He was also changing his suspicious on a heartbeat, like the whole thing with Daisy. And that also felt suspicious to me.

I had already decided I was killing 2 people, so I went with my gut and offed him.

I now understand he was just letting his emotions define who he trusted or not.

Whilst what I said may have APPEARED to be forced, I can assure you that it wasn't at all and the truth bears that out. And that's kinda what I've been trying to get at the whole time I've been here. What you witnessed there was 100% pure Town Glorfindel. Frankly, I thought your analysis was one of the highlights of the entire game for me. I can only aspire to your level of thorough forensic analysis. The thing is, I was convinced you were Town - I am not remotely threatened by a healthy and reasoned skepticism by someone whom I respect in these games. I'm really sorry that you couldn't see that before you 'offed' me. As for 'buddying up' to you, it wasn't that - I just recognized you as someone experienced here from which I could actually learn a lot. Again, I'm sorry you misinterpreted my intentions. For all that, one of the things I most look forward to now is playing more games with you - clearly, I have a LOT left to learn

Don't be so hard on yourself, I was the one who misread your alignment. I was just explaining my thought process since you asked about it.

For that matter, I'm not that good or experienced at this game either, considering I helped mislynch a couple civs in a row too.

I appreciate the recognition though. Looking foward to play with you too, and I hope next time I'm more aware of how you play the game.

[a2thezebra]

I'm going to PhD in misreading sig

[Ricochet]

It's the first time I see a game ending on the Night move. Did it depend on certain factors? (unsurprisingly, I didn't look at the setup at all )

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I take it that Daisy had some chance of NKing the remaining mafia player.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh nvm, Daisy was not a protagonist.

I think I know the answer then. The mafias could have attacked Epi and the kill had a 50% chance of failing.

If it's not that then I have no idea.

[Typhoony]

I assumed it was because FZ used her ability, giving all pikmin + 2 votes. With there only being pikmin left, everybody but her had +2 votes.
She was also the last baddie, so her vote was worth 3. The pikmin could never have lynched her.

That being said, I looked at the night actions for Protagonists again to see if Simon had gotten nectar at any point, and noticed that Wilgy only got 1 pikmin N1 (which wasn't even the one he listed in his "If I were a Protagonist thingy" .) How did that happen MP?

[Long Con]

So.... when is the next game starting up in this hizzy?

[Ricochet]

No new games until (and after?) the Champies.

[Long Con]

Well when does Champies start? Also, do the Champy hosts need some input from me about A World Reborn? I can't remember.

[DrWilgy]

What is there to do for us losers?

[Turnip Head]

Well when does Champies start? Also, do the Champy hosts need some input from me about A World Reborn? I can't remember.

It's starting shortly after New Year's! We should have another game going into sign ups soon. Input is always encouraged, but I think we have what we need

[Ricochet]

It's starting shortly after New Year's!

I'd better hurry with gathering meta on everyone's winning performances, then.

[Long Con]

I would like to see a cross-game tally of players' likelihood to get nightkilled by baddies or mislynched in the earliest stages of the game. Any statistical-type folk out there want to tackle it?

[Ricochet]

Music to my ears, brother. Not sure I'd share though. Why if it gets in the wrong hands?

[Epignosis]

I would like to see a cross-game tally of players' likelihood to get nightkilled by baddies or mislynched in the earliest stages of the game. Any statistical-type folk out there want to tackle it?

I don't think I need I need statistics for that. Status: High.

[S~V~S]

Music to my ears, brother. Not sure I'd share though. Why if it gets in the wrong hands?

I love talking & sharing meta. I tell my BTS partners their tells all the time. It makes reading them more of a challenge for ME if they switch their game up from knowing their tells. It makes it harder to win, true, but it makes the wins all the more valuable to me because I had to work for them.

[Golden]

Music to my ears, brother. Not sure I'd share though. Why if it gets in the wrong hands?

I love talking & sharing meta. I tell my BTS partners their tells all the time. It makes reading them more of a challenge for ME if they switch their game up from knowing their tells. It makes it harder to win, true, but it makes the wins all the more valuable to me because I had to work for them.

I love this sentiment. I've never been afraid to tell people exactly what I'm thinking (or even use my own thought processes when bad to catch other baddies), because ultimately there are so many ways to go from their. You can incorporate your bad tells into your civilian game. You can try to eliminate the baddie tells. You can just try to change up your game.

I think I've learned to be way more adaptable than I used to be and it has made me a better player.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I like sharing whenever I know about myself too, and about others. It can only improve the games overall.

I hate when people say they have meta reads on me but refuse to share.

[Ricochet]

SVS has been a baddie in both Rec4 and A World Reborn. Can this mean perhaps that BR and LC will be granted baddieness in the Champies?

[S~V~S]

What would that have to do with it?

[Ricochet]

Quirky meta musing, mostly.

[Glorfindel]

I have a question - directed to Dr Wilgy... I asked a question related to this before and never got an answer. Can you please tell me my friend - what was your intended purpose in this post:

I got an excersize for everyone to partake in. If I were a protagonist, I would currently have _____.

I will start:
If I were a protagonist, I would currently have a Purple pikmin.

I would like everyone to copy this format.

As far as I know, I'm the ONLY one who replied to you. I still don't get the point...?

[DrWilgy]

Cause discussion more or less.

[Long Con]

Quirky meta musing, mostly.

Your logic is unsound.

I love this sentiment. I've never been afraid to tell people exactly what I'm thinking (or even use my own thought processes when bad to catch other baddies), because ultimately there are so many ways to go from their. You can incorporate your bad tells into your civilian game. You can try to eliminate the baddie tells. You can just try to change up your game.

because ultimately there are so many ways to go from their. You can incorporate your bad tells into your civilian game.

ways to go from their

their

[Ricochet]

Quirky meta musing, mostly.

Your logic is unsound.

Only one way to test it out, come lynch day.

[Golden]

Thanks for pointing out the grammar error that I couldn't edit, EpiCon.

[S~V~S]

I was told that my top tell was that when I was civ, my posts read like they were written by a first grader in the worlds worst school district since my typing is SO horrendous, and I just type & post without rereading what I wrote. When I am bad, on the other hand, they looked like they were written by a fairly educated, rational adult. Because I proof read them & corrected the errors & basically "polished" the post while going over them to make sure I had not made any baddie slips.

All you had to do is look for the word "because", and if it was spelled right, I was bad. I pretty much ALWAYS typo it as "becasue", so now I try to not correct spelling errors in my game posts.

Bonus side effect? People have stopped pointing out my errors pretty much altogether

[Ricochet]

I always polish my posts, regardless of alignment. (Conversely, any mistake or error is also typical of me and no tell whatsoever.) Pondering before posting is in fact my credo (ok, maybe my second credo, after the obvious main one). As a baddie, the reasons are pretty obvious. As a civ, I've gone enough times through hell, as to not be in the mood to drop my guard. The downside to it is how much time it takes me to play (spoilers: massive amounts for my own sake) and how deadlines becomes bit of a pressure, in light of having to finish reads or make a decision/take a stance.

[Marmot]

Cause discussion more or less.

I did very subtley.

In the same post, I called k4j and FZ bosses.

[Long Con]

Thanks for pointing out the grammar error that I couldn't edit, EpiCon.

That makes it extra fun!

[Spacedaisy]

I'll be making winners banners when my in laws go home so it might be another week, week and a half or so. Sorry for the delay folks!

[Long Con]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Signups?

[Tangrowth]

Banners courtesy of Spacedaisy! Wear them proud, mafia team, you earned it!

[Marmot]

Banners courtesy of Spacedaisy! Wear them proud, mafia team, you earned it!

Proudly worn.