Good. I respect that opinion. I even agree with it. I would have disagreed with you otherwise.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:00 pmI loved The Last Jedi. TFA was "A Star Wars" movie. TLJ was a great movie that was in the Star Wars universe. I think Last Jedi will hold up more, and stands on its own more, and TFA is, as time goes on for me anyway, more of a "Hey remember how cool THIS was from the Star War"speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:52 amBecause you liked TLJ or because you didn't?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:50 pm After TLJ I have to say I dislike TFA significantly more.
Because I could see it either way.
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I'm going to have to watch The Last Jedi again to really make sense of my rating for it. My wife and I watched TFA again a few days before we went to see TLJ. TFA was very good until they rolled out Starkiller Base. Its tone was less serious than the original trilogy, which bugged me at times but it was probably just an updating of the wink-and-nod throwback humor in the original trilogy (which hearkened back to the serials of the 30s and 40s). The fact that they fell back on the superweapon-that-blows-up-planets plot was disappointing. The new characters were all very good. Han was too meta and Leia's presence felt unnecessary (minus the go find out son line).
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I agree to certain extent. I prefer everything Johnson attempted to everything Abrams yielded to, in the category of "what/how a new Star Wars movie should normally be". Not that it's a difficult comparison, given that even the Rebels being chased by a giant space wiener-dog would have been preferable to TFA. I think the word "subversive" got thrown in a lot, but as a Star Wars IDGAF-er, I don't mind the bits that TLJ closed the chapter on or refused to expand upon, toy further with or give into out of sheer fan service.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:00 pmI loved The Last Jedi. TFA was "A Star Wars" movie. TLJ was a great movie that was in the Star Wars universe. I think Last Jedi will hold up more, and stands on its own more, and TFA is, as time goes on for me anyway, more of a "Hey remember how cool THIS was from the Star War"speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:52 amBecause you liked TLJ or because you didn't?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:50 pm After TLJ I have to say I dislike TFA significantly more.
Because I could see it either way.
Where I for one draw the line, though, goes two ways:
a) Johnson didn't go all the way through. About two-thirds in, past a crucial 'join me' moment, it reverts to Starwars-esque banality. Make no mistake, the marketing stitches still exist in the movie, the ESB / ROTJ nods exist, but it would have been nice for a cathartic, weird "burn it all" full gesture.
b) it's not a well balanced movie, it really isn't. Daring, sure, but messy all around in the process. One wouldn't normally praise a movie with three endings, plotholes or plot conveniances, a timeline implausibility rivaling that of GoT's season 7, so one shouldn't just because it's a SW movie.
So, you know, far from legendary status, but cred for its effort. I liked Hammill, Ridley was ok; Finn is officially wasted as a character; Kylo Ren remains the most compelling character imo, but even he was dragged through the most absurd amount of bait-of-switch tropes throughout the whole movie. There were some truly dreadful or dumb moments, as well, but I won't spoil into any of them.
I believe Johnson had to work with something that is sort of creatively stuck, on the whole, and might, if anything, have proven these very limitations. This movie also left me with no clue what Episode IX should even be about anymore, apart from a few unfinished confrontations, nor with any particular emotion of looking forward to, consider Abrams' return.
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To be perfectly honest with you [mention]Ricochet[/mention]
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Oh good, I'm not the only one who wished it had gone that wayDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:41 am To be perfectly honest with you @Ricochet
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:29 amOh good, I'm not the only one who wished it had gone that wayDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:41 am To be perfectly honest with you @Ricochet
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I love TLJ. It is quite possibly my favourite Star Wars movie, full stop. I'm like, waaaaaaaaay late to this discussion, but here goes.
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This is exactly what I said when describing the movie. Glad to see I'm not alone.
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