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MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:For some reason I really want a cookie right now.
Yes! I know you didn't have a "theme", but I loved the cookie flips.

Also, oatmeal raisin is awesome.

What was my cookie?
The only bad cookie is oatmeal raisin. :p

I was considering flipping the other mafia as other random food I hate, like "pasta salad with f***ing bacon in it". I was just making up all the flips as I went.
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MP would have clearly been bean dip though.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Thanks Golden for jailkeeping MP on Night 2. Had you not, I'd have likely been lynched Day 3 or killed Night 3, and you'd still be alive. XD
Oh yeah, I was going to lynch you hard on d3 if you came back power role. ika, sig, and I even came up with a word/smiley code... but we hadn't considered that it would fail. :haha:

So I put "fail" in OT regarding my exam and underlined it to hopefully get their attention.
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Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.
Thanks, Golden, and thanks to everyone else who said kind words as well. I really worked hard on that IAWY bus; I tried to nail him with criticisms of specific content, and I'm not sure how much he purposefully laid out there for me but I kept taking it.
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Golden wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:One other thing I wanted to mention is that town needs town blocs to beat out scum. This means I always town hunt. If I can find them and PoE out the scum, then town has a chance. The hard part is when town doesn't post much because I will try to lynch low content posters starting D2 usually.
I agree. I did real difficulty finding my town block this game. I'm most gutted that I didn't jailkeep you on day one and also Marco on day 3 (who I thought I'd sent in a PM to jailkeep).
I was searching for a "town" block myself; I was hoping it could be me, you, MM, Marco, and/or Dizzy, but it didn't quite work out.
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Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize though that this game means I'm probably going to get policy lynched forever and never trusted again, so maybe I'll slink away from playing for long enough that people forget about it...
That's what I thought about eco, and then I won another 6 or something games for the year.
Yeah, I don't know though. :P
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MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, when Golden came to the opposite conclusion re: sig and IAWY as I did a bit over halfway through d4, I was seriously concerned.
Soneji wasn't there. Zebra was upset with me and not willing to engage with me. I really wanted to have discussion around sig but with only you willing to talk to me...

That's why it worked, ultimately.
Very true. I was still scared shitless though. :P

And when I was saying I wanted Scotty and Soneji to show up, I was hoping they wouldn't. I was yelling at the screen, DON'T COME BACK! :haha:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MP would have clearly been bean dip though.
:haha:

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I take offense to oatmeal raisin cookie being the only bad one. :(
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I take offense to oatmeal raisin cookie being the only bad one. :(
I take offense to oatmeal raisin cookies in general.
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That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.
You sneak! I did wonder why you were buddying me so much, but I figured you were being honest.

The moment I was JKed n2 though, my instinct was that you were the JK. I tried to role check MM that night and it failed. :p
I also tried to specifically paint you as a tpr on day two without it looking like I was doing it with the goal f baiting a kill attempt on you.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.
I'm in it too! They're actually my favorite.
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Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.
You sneak! I did wonder why you were buddying me so much, but I figured you were being honest.

The moment I was JKed n2 though, my instinct was that you were the JK. I tried to role check MM that night and it failed. :p
I also tried to specifically paint you as a tpr on day two without it looking like I was doing it with the goal f baiting a kill attempt on you.
Yes! I was like, what are you doing? :p
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.
I'm in it too! They're actually my favorite.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.
I'm in it too! They're actually my favorite.
:disappoint:
At least our music tastes cross somewhat, right? After all, isn't that the only thing that really matters?
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COOKIES ARE EVERYTHING.

naw we coo', blood
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Cookies are pretty great.
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Cookies > Pie > Brownies > others > Cake
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Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P
Is this seriously a thing? I'll have to play.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P
Is this seriously a thing? I'll have to play.
It is now!

Actually, these are both brand new ideas, but that doesn't mean they can't be real.



Also, pie is the best!
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Nice. :slick:
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P
I wish to be the decimal point.

Or 22/7, one of those two.
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One final note.

I think my unmitigated failure in the face of my championships foes is about the best I could have hoped for out of this game. I have reduced the target on my back beautifully :haha:
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Golden wrote:One final note.

I think my unmitigated failure in the face of my championships foes is about the best I could have hoped for out of this game. I have reduced the target on my back beautifully :haha:
That was my plan all along. :mafia:
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Congrats, wolves!
MP MVP :P
haven't seen a more active wolf ever

ika... never really got to read that one. sig looked slightly bad by the time I died, I doubt I would push them anytime soon after my death. IAWY was pushed when I was trying to skim through the thread with kinda unsatisfying results :)

I still believe the actual Championship game will probably be less active than this one, I also promise I'll be more active there than I was here.
guess I was vig'd, shame and sorry... who was the vig, actually?

and well, all 4 representatives were town and now look quite bad over this loss :(
still, I think we can and will be redeemed :D

I'm in the same game as Golden, actually! Marco's begun, good luck Marco!
see you in the game, Golden, let's try our very best there!

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Turns out you weren't vigged, zexy.

MP did a good job of taking out the people I trusted.
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Thanks, Zexy! Looking forward to playing with you on Bulbagarden and cheering you on in Game 4!

Golden wrote:Turns out you weren't vigged, zexy.

MP did a good job of taking out the people I trusted.
:feb:

I killed Zexy partially because I wasn't sure whether the setup was 3 or F just yet, and I strongly suspected you two were Town Masons if we were in Setup 3.
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Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, Zexy! Looking forward to playing with you on Bulbagarden and cheering you on in Game 4!

I killed Zexy partially because I wasn't sure whether the setup was 3 or F just yet, and I strongly suspected you two were Town Masons if we were in Setup 3.
You are welcome! It's really awesome I'm in the same game with Golden.

Wow! I died and felt sad because I thought the town vig killed me for inactivity... but actually getting a kill when that inactive is quite the feat, the best I could've done as an inactive VT with not-so-good reads, at least. I'm feeling a bit more comfortable about this game despite its outcome now :D
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Golden wrote:Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?
The moment I realized we were in setup F and I found out I was JKed n2, I thought it was you. Wasn't 100% sure though, but I was pretty sure it was someone who was voicing trust of me, and of those people my gut screamed it was you. I was wanting to keep you alive, however, and preferred finding the town vig first. I thought, as long as I can keep myself clean in thread, the JKer doesn't present nearly as much threat to me. There's no telling, in contrast, whether the town vig will kill me or my teammates at any time.
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Zexy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, Zexy! Looking forward to playing with you on Bulbagarden and cheering you on in Game 4!

I killed Zexy partially because I wasn't sure whether the setup was 3 or F just yet, and I strongly suspected you two were Town Masons if we were in Setup 3.
You are welcome! It's really awesome I'm in the same game with Golden.

Wow! I died and felt sad because I thought the town vig killed me for inactivity... but actually getting a kill when that inactive is quite the feat, the best I could've done as an inactive VT with not-so-good reads, at least. I'm feeling a bit more comfortable about this game despite its outcome now :D
That's exactly what I intended. ;)
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?
The moment I realized we were in setup F and I found out I was JKed n2, I thought it was you. Wasn't 100% sure though, but I was pretty sure it was someone who was voicing trust of me, and of those people my gut screamed it was you. I was wanting to keep you alive, however, and preferred finding the town vig first. I thought, as long as I can keep myself clean in thread, the JKer doesn't present nearly as much threat to me. There's no telling, in contrast, whether the town vig will kill me or my teammates at any time.
Funnily enough, I came out of that jailkeep with less trust of you. You had sort of given away the possibility of being either mafia or tpr through appearing to have knowledge of the setup, and then I had proved that you weren't one by having two kills that night. There were all sorts of pieces of evidence that I had available that in the end I didn't listen to... you and sig post night one was the biggest one. You both slipped and I let it be :disappoint:
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So the MVP wolf was helping us feel better for our games as well as trying to dumb our meta down so that we look better in the Champs... lol, thanks? :D

Actually, the Matrix12 setup used in the Championship was changed, scum was pretty much nerfed because the one we played is considered very pro-scum (my sample of 2 games that were both scum wins may or may not be able to prove that :P)
In this new Matrix12, scum always know what setup they are in as soon as Day 1, so there won't be a situation like "maybe the Mason or the Jailkeeper setup" in the champs...
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Golden wrote:
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Golden wrote:Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?
The moment I realized we were in setup F and I found out I was JKed n2, I thought it was you. Wasn't 100% sure though, but I was pretty sure it was someone who was voicing trust of me, and of those people my gut screamed it was you. I was wanting to keep you alive, however, and preferred finding the town vig first. I thought, as long as I can keep myself clean in thread, the JKer doesn't present nearly as much threat to me. There's no telling, in contrast, whether the town vig will kill me or my teammates at any time.
Funnily enough, I came out of that jailkeep with less trust of you. You had sort of given away the possibility of being either mafia or tpr through appearing to have knowledge of the setup, and then I had proved that you weren't one by having two kills that night. There were all sorts of pieces of evidence that I had available that in the end I didn't listen to... you and sig post night one was the biggest one. You both slipped and I let it be :disappoint:
Well, to be fair, I "slipped" 1-Shot Mafia Vigilante on purpose, knowing that it was incorrect and that I was the JOAT, but it definitely backfired and potentially exposed that I might have had inside information, even if not exactly for the right reasons.
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Zexy wrote:So the MVP wolf was helping us feel better for our games as well as trying to dumb our meta down so that we look better in the Champs... lol, thanks? :D

Actually, the Matrix12 setup used in the Championship was changed, scum was pretty much nerfed because the one we played is considered very pro-scum (my sample of 2 games that were both scum wins may or may not be able to prove that :P)
In this new Matrix12, scum always know what setup they are in as soon as Day 1, so there won't be a situation like "maybe the Mason or the Jailkeeper setup" in the champs...
Yeah, I realized right away that my 1-shot definitely was unbalanced, and I'm unfamiliar with these setups. Good thing that Thingyman changed them before the tournament's start.
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Re: Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

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Well, the mafia JOAT was THE single most unbalanced mafia role, no wonder it got cut.
thankfully there was enough time for said cuts to be made.
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Zexy wrote:Well, the mafia JOAT was THE single most unbalanced mafia role, no wonder it got cut.
thankfully there was enough time for said cuts to be made.
Definitely true! Was a fun role though. :mafia:
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I think the biggest balance issue with the original matrix was the 13 vs. 4 ratio. Removing the extra mafia kills helps, but I'm still not sure that has been adequately addressed. I understand 17 players allows them to equalize each game, and that including a rogue role would be an unfair challenge to whoever gets it in the effort to advance to the finals.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think the biggest balance issue with the original matrix was the 13 vs. 4 ratio. Removing the extra mafia kills helps, but I'm still not sure that has been adequately addressed. I understand 17 players allows them to equalize each game, and that including a rogue role would be an unfair challenge to whoever gets it in the effort to advance to the finals.

I think town needs more strength. Not a ton more, but something.
13 vs. 4 is tough, yeah. Doesn't take too many mislynches before town is in critical zone.
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I'll also state that any setup with a cop w/ n0 check would probably be a different story. That is a major balance swing.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll also state that any setup with a cop w/ n0 check would probably be a different story. That is a major balance swing.
So glad I didn't have to deal with a cop this game. :D
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Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

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Haha, I provided him with game-winning cover by letting him bus me into top town. :D

Sorry for not being able to do better, going MIA D1 really killed any chance I would've had at surviving or doing well. But thanks for the experience regardless! I had fun. :)
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

:beer:
Yeah. :p

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.
You did awesome! Past D1, the only real criticism you got was from me with the ISO comments, which gave you town points and incriminated MM after I was lynched. You looked pretty townie all game, which us a rare feat to accomplish as Mafia.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.
Thanks, Golden, and thanks to everyone else who said kind words as well. I really worked hard on that IAWY bus; I tried to nail him with criticisms of specific content, and I'm not sure how much he purposefully laid out there for me but I kept taking it.
Some of it, yeah. Once I realized I was always getting lynched I started making subtle scummy mistakes for you to pick up on so your case would be better when you exposed then all, if you exposed them all. I mostly just stayed positive though! No need to go out of the game with a butter tongue. :srsnod:
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Thanks, IAWY! Definitely couldn't have done it without you. :D
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Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.
Thanks, Golden, and thanks to everyone else who said kind words as well. I really worked hard on that IAWY bus; I tried to nail him with criticisms of specific content, and I'm not sure how much he purposefully laid out there for me but I kept taking it.
Some of it, yeah. Once I realized I was always getting lynched I started making subtle scummy mistakes for you to pick up on so your case would be better when you exposed then all, if you exposed them all. I mostly just stayed positive though! No need to go out of the game with a butter tongue. :srsnod:
A butter tongue, yeah, that'd be problematic... especially with all these cookies! :p
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Took me a while to find where this game had gone.

Congrats, scum-team. Where's the scum chat?

Also, sig and MP legit "slipped" with assuming mafia kill D1?
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mafia team chatzy

The earliest stuff may no longer be visible. If you're a participant in the tournament, expect a private thread rather than a chat room.
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