2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

Who's a Russian infiltrator?

Poll ended at Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:03 pm

bea
6
32%
Boomslang
0
No votes
Cheerleader
0
No votes
Golden
0
No votes
John Coltrane
0
No votes
juliets
0
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Made
1
5%
Metalmarsh89
0
No votes
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No votes
thellama73
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No votes
Scotty
0
No votes
Soneji
7
37%
S~V~S
0
No votes
Host/dead/non
5
26%
 
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Made wrote:
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.
I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?
I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?
Do you know why you weren't on the poll?
It's fairly obvious why I wasn't on the poll.
So yes.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.
I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?
I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?
Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.
How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?
Boomslang wrote:Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Did anyone happen to capture the lynch poll? I don't see it in the polls available to us.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach

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I copied them down for my own personal use, but I don't think we're allowed to do any more than that.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Donna Meagle wrote:Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.
How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?[/quote]

Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.
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Boomslang wrote:Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Quotes fixed
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.
How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?
Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.
Donna Meagle wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Well I'll just post it in this thread, just in case.

I... am going to go out on a limb and assume it's legal.

Nope.

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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well I'll just post it in this thread, just in case.

I... am going to go out on a limb and assume it's legal.

Nope.

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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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I feel confident in saying that I don't think Cheerleader is our friend.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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While I'm inclined to agree llama, I'm not as much in agreement with the claim that cheerleader voted to save Bea. It easily could of just been done to fuck with us, assuming it was a civvie vs civvie lynch.
That said, I'm not gonna say it makes Bea look bad, but it definitely doesn't make her look good.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Quotes fixed
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.
How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?
Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.
Donna Meagle wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.
How do you know that this happened?
The lynch poll says so.
hwo do you know the cheerleaders vote counted?
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Quotes fixed
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.
How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?
Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.
Donna Meagle wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.
How do you know that this happened?
The lynch poll says so.
hwo do you know the cheerleaders vote counted?
To Donna's point, the Cheerleader in the Transistor game had a vote worth 0.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets. :goofp:
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Made wrote:While I'm inclined to agree llama, I'm not as much in agreement with the claim that cheerleader voted to save Bea. It easily could of just been done to fuck with us, assuming it was a civvie vs civvie lynch.
That said, I'm not gonna say it makes Bea look bad, but it definitely doesn't make her look good.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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thellama73 wrote:Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?
Not really, no. But if we want to avoid the risk of it influencing lynches later on, we should try to avoid such tight polls.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets. :goofp:
So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?
thellama73 wrote:Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?
No,
It matters if MM knows though.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Prisoner 27385 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?
Not really, no. But if we want to avoid the risk of it influencing lynches later on, we should try to avoid such tight polls.
Agreed.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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I also assumed that the cheerleader's vote counted toward getting Soneji lynched, and it appears Boomslang did as well. I don't find it suspicious for Metalmarsh to suggest that it did.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets. :goofp:
So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?
No, I mean that it's the thought that counts. Whether the vote counts or not, it was placed on Soneji.

I do not mean that there is a spirit that breaks ties.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets. :goofp:
So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?
No, I mean that it's the thought that counts. Whether the vote counts or not, it was placed on Soneji.

I do not mean that there is a spirit that breaks ties.
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I don't want to live in that universe.
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding me Donna?
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I asked the hosts a bunch of questions about the state of the game and the Hatch. I got a lot of ambiguous answers. I don't think the hosts know what's going on at all or what they're doing.
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I asked the hosts a bunch of questions about the state of the game and the Hatch. I got a lot of ambiguous answers. I don't think the hosts know what's going on at all or what they're doing.
Maybe the spirit is confusing them.
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Donna Meagle wrote:bea - bad
boomslang - good
cheerleader - indi/whocares/good? idk what's going on
donna - supatown
golden - good
john coltrane - good
juliets - good
made - good
mm89 - good
prisoner - good
llama - good
scotty - good
soneji - good (tbh bc i missed the case on him and am very tired)
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Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach

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John Coltrane wrote:I'm here for a bit, mostly (and, unfortunately, skimming, as I meant to read more last night since I knew I'd be busy this evening).
juliets wrote: I have moved away from Coltrane but he does only have 3 posts as someone just pointed out and in his last post he seemed angry and then gave up. I'm not wild about that but I guess it doesn't mean he's bad.
Sorry for not responding right away, juliets - I was irritated last night and needed to step away. I'll respond to this:
juliets wrote:John, it would be helpful to me if you would just remind me of what things you said in the main thread. You're right that low contribution doesn't mean no contribution it's just that nothing stands out to me. So maybe just a short synopsis of what your suspicions or thoughts were would be helpful. Thanks.
And wow, it's a lot harder to remember even my own posts from a thread I can't check. Basically, I threw out three suspicions: Mac, sig, and Epi as a tinfoil because I believed him to be steering the thread. Now that Epi's been NK'ed, I wish I could look back more at who exactly I saw being steered and voting every which way he went. I eventually settled on Mac because I liked the meta argument more than anything else, knowing I'd be last on the train.

Someone said my vote was a "useless" vote at the end of a train, but I would disagree, for sure - we don't know about manipulations or anything of the sort, so having a large majority lead on one person is helpful. Also, I'd be called out whether or not I voted Mac (at the end of a train or on sig instead), so there's that. But I digress.

Here's what I like so far being said in this thread:

1) I find Scotty's comments on Prisoner regarding his/her disinterest in The Process compelling if, indeed, there is a Process role. The Process would be one to say that Cheerleader is not much to be looked at at this moment :shifty: Then again, I can also empathize with Prisoner's sentiments - I'm almost always inclined to ignore the "buzzing" of these random additions. Then again (yes, again), it IS the GoC, so this is less likely to be an annoyance and more likely to be something not to ignore.

2) This:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?
I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.
Does it make a difference to you that Soneji voted for sig on Day 1?

Linki: I'll read you later.
Easy distancing perhaps? People voting for each other in a thread with changeable votes doesn't mean much for gauging connection.

Linki @Prisoner. OK.

I have said what she did, but am happy to do so again. In the other thread, she made one big post where she said she felt Made and Wilgy were getting a bad rap. She did this without pointing fingers at anyone who might be giving them a bad rap, though. Then she wrote several sentences saying nothing, and said that she felt OK about me, LC and (???). "Same old same old" kind of thing. No negative opinions, or even remotely critical, about anyone. Bea and I have a long history. I want to know where she is at. So far I am not sure she is at the same place I am. I am not sure she has expressed even one remote suspect. Bea is always polite, but Bea does not shrink from speaking her mind, even if it is in a very passive way.

Bea is a huge question mark for me.
Poor bea has been sick, but this reminds me of another game (for the life of me, I can't remember, nor do I really want to look for/reveal in order not to risk my identity being more obvious :p ), but the last game I played with her, this is the same sort of behavior she exhibited when bad - not offering much solid opinion. It's always hard to vote bea, since she's just so friggin' nice. But I'm most compelled in that direction today, mostly because I'm tired and was thinking about voting her for these reasons earlier today, anyway.

3) Also this:
thellama73 wrote:
Prisoner 27385 wrote:Is there more to the Soneji case than his denouncement of meta-analysis? Because I can't vote for him if that's it.
There's a little more to it. I initially noticed Soneji for his avoidance of mentioning Macdougall, even when he was the central topic of discussion. The meta comment combined with that observation to form my suspicion, as I think baddies often forget to talk about one another.
Same reason for bea, same reason to look at Prisoner (except this is more compelling, as Macdougall is confirmed baddie. Avoidance. May also vote here.

Other thoughts:

1) Perhaps Golden keeps changing his vote in order to get discussion going on those people, rather than actually placing the vote? Since he appears to be silenced? I kinda wish I'd been around in real time to see his switches, but y'all are doing a good job of commenting when he moves, so...

Okay, actually, I keep seeing linki and want to post, and also I see votes. This is the first free moment I've had all day, so sorry for the delay! Gonna put the vote on Soneji at this time.
John, I just wanted to ask you about this post. In it you say you felt most compelled to vote bea but you ended up voting for Soneji. What was it that convinced you to go with him in the end over bea? If you want to wait until day to answer I'm fine with that I just wanted to ask before we don't have access to the post anymore.
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