juliets wrote:In re-reading I decided to sum up what I found in relation to bea's possibly being bad as i reviewed the thread. Counterpoints have been made to many of these points but my intent was just to pull together in one place all the things that people have brought up as evidence that bea is bad. Let me know if I got something wrong or left something out. I do this for myself and only post it because in the past others have asked for it. I'm going to do llama or vomps next. If it is not helpful just let me know and I won't post.
1. Said that maybe Bob is not the person to go after because he might be helpful to the civs.
I didn't understand how the role worked and more than one person was proposing that we pushed INH toward not siding with us.
2. After winning the shield bea seemed awfully interested in the workings of bob implying bea might be the minion.
Again, I didn't understand the role so I asked for clarification. I thought that's what we were supposed to do when didn't understand a role that wasn't ours.
3. Said "Oh socky - if we lynch Bob's minion, will we be told that he was the recruit or will only
his original civ role be revealed? " Original civv role believed to be a slip up.
Yes. This was totally a subconscious slip up. I'm a civ and I was being accused of being the minion. I wanted to know if my role would prove in a lynch that I wasn't a minion. I didn't consider that a baddie was recruited because the talk was that *I* was recruited and I'm a civ.
4. Bob picked bea as a minion to get the shield.
While I can see the reasoning behind it. It's just false. Bob never picked me.
5. Responses to accusations were "fleety"
Still never quite got an answer on what was meant by "fleetly" to my knowledge. I do know that I tried to address what I thought BF meant by "fleetly" but I don't remember ever hearing if that was correct or not.
6. BB attempted to kill bea - that is a civv role, does it imply anything about bea
I thought it was Delbert that tried to kill me via BB? At the very least though, at least no one's saying I'm Jack now. So, I've got that going for me. 
7. bea voted to give the shield to kate
It was early in the game, I hadn't had bad vibes from her. She tends to be an early target a lot when she is a civ. Hell even I've killed her first chance I've gotten when I'm bad. I didn't want to vote myself as (I know this is odd mid-west behavior left over from my teenage band days) it's rude to applaud for yourself. Kate seemed like a fairly decent second choice.
8. bea voted for kate to be rezzed
Yea. This should really prove that I'm not Kate's baddie teammate more than it is being used as evidence that I am. Tranq's GTA game pretty much was the death of me doing about anything to help a teammate. Was not a fan of watching us all die one right after the other (except wabbit) because we all voted to give FH the bike.
9. narrowed down possible minions to bea, bwt, epi
I'm not the minion and I was constantly willing to do whatever it took to help put people's mind at ease about that.
10. her self-voting behavior seems fishy - voting self because opportunity to frame her which seems like a weak excuse - avoiding detection
I still think the idea that this seams weak is a bit weak itself. Until MP clarified how cranky he would be if powers were obstained from being used, it honestly would have been a pretty decent strategy for the minion. Forgive me for being paranoid, but just because you're paraniod doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
11. she started begging to be lynched seemingly out of nowhere
Out of no where? I think 1-10 shows a slow burn of me trying to fight accusations around ever corner. Funny thing is - I always want to be lynched when I start taking heat and I'm a civ. Always. It's not the first or last time I've asked for it in a game. I like that my role will be revealed. If I have to go down to prove that I was right, so be it. My civ teammates will learn a lot from my death.
12. Guess that she is Martell and knows the lynch won't show her as a baddie
Funny enough, not the first time I've been accused of being the baddie seamer when I was a civ. In Sawyer's "All my favorite character's" game, I was the first civ the baddies were able to lynch saying "Oh, she was probably Rouge." I wasn't. How many more civs got lynched under "Oh they are probably Rouge." Rouge's team was the team that won that game wasn't it?
13. Begging to be lynched despite the fact she's not on the lynch poll
Yea - I totally missed that I wasn't on the poll. That was the start of my crappy weekend. Really rough night at work. Then I thought my paycheck didn't make it into my checking account. By the time people were waking up and talking I'd been awake far too long, had some wine and really should have been in bed a few hours ago.
14. Tried to get a civv lynched
(DF, this was yours but i couldnt figure out which civ you were talking about) Could have been lizzy - could have been aces. I was wrong on both those accounts. Unfortunately.
15. Video game baddies tried to kill her on a night she had the sheild and they would have known that
I HAD the sheild and I tried to pass it off the first night. I thought it was only a one night carry. If I made that mistake isn't it entirely possible that some others did as well?
16. Says several words via nevin's analysis that could mean she's using rumple words, use of the word specific stood out
I admit nev's word analysis post was one I was trying to skim at work and meant to come back to but haven't yet so I'm missing lots of stuff behind it. It's not uncommon for me to use the word specific though. Hell, I've probably used it in this post.
17. Posts prior to meltdown were fluffy posts
You know except the ones where I was asking questions and stuff. But those are the ones where I'm being suspicious. So I guess if you take away the suspicious questioning posts then yea, all I have are fluffy ones.
18. Perhaps tried to pad her post count by talking about the edit button
Nope - I don't care about padding post count. This is something that's never bothered me across the 4 forums I've played mafia on. I honestly didn't understand HOW it was possible. I hadn't realized that the subforum hadn't been set to disallow editing.
19. Went after nev a couple of times on weak evidence when he is obviously civ
Yea. I blew up on Nev too. I'm truely sorry about that blow up. It's part of the reason I stayed away during the rest of my frustratingly frustrating weekend. I didn't want a repeat performance. I don't think I've gone after him prior to that though? So isn't "a couple times" stretching it? I've certianly disagreed with him in regards to his analysis on me because it is incorrect, but I fail to see how that is going after someone?
I swear I'm becoming dumber every year. 
How do I know I can trust you? Claims like that are frustrating because it requires blind trust.