The post above you says "half," so that seems to be what she's saying.juliets wrote:Is Lizzie saying that the first 15 players alphabetically - the first half of the players - have been cursed with this song curse? That's what I'm getting out of it.
Svs digladiation Nev were targeted don't me in charge buddy! set INH honeytongued kEpignosis wrote:You totally agree?Mongoose wrote:I totally Psionic Ninja.Epignosis wrote:If OK Computer is telling the truth, then S~V~S' kill would most likely not be an accident.Dom wrote:Epig, now that I think about it, I'm not sure EVERYONE'S targets were messed with. I do not think SVS's kill was on accident, do you?
It'd be lovely to have a powerful indy we could trust allied with the civs, but how do we know we can trust you? You're a threat to whoever you want to be a threat to and if you decide to not want the civs to win late in the game there's not much we can say against that.He who must not be named wrote:MP changed the role so that if I got an absurdly large amount of mentions, I'll get all of the powers at one time. I don't think he seriously expected me to get that much. That's why half the players are spouting Lou Reed lyrics. One of those powers is the ability to randomize all night actions, but I get to exempt three roles. As I said before, I chose myself, Zodac, and Moriarty.
My win condition is compatible with pretty much everyone elses. Including civvies, baddies, and BOBies. I don't want to completely reveal it, just to be safe with MP.
You guys have two options relating to me.
A: Vote for me, and hope that Zodac didn't choose me. If he did, he also probably chose someone major and important to eliminate. Epig, what was his win condition in Masters?
B: Don't vote for me. I walk free until the next day.
Rinse and repeat.
Do you really want to possibly sacrifice someone major and important just to get rid of me? While I'm flattered, if I were in your shoes, I'd think it wasn't worth it, mostly because as long you don't mention my name, I have no powers.
Also, wonder why I wasn't NK'd? Everyone's talking about me. I'm dominating the discussion. Leaving the thread no time to possibly sniff out baddies.
You guys have to make a decision. Vote me, hope Zodac didn't choose me, and possibly lose a big contributor to the thread. Or don't mention my name, and you guys can actually focus on catching baddies and bad indies.
I really honestly don't have that much power. Most of it is insanification or self-preservation stuff. The only real big stuff that I have is the night actions redirect, and now that the cat's out of the bag, I doubt I'll get enough mentions to get it again.Bullzeye wrote:It'd be lovely to have a powerful indy we could trust allied with the civs, but how do we know we can trust you? You're a threat to whoever you want to be a threat to and if you decide to not want the civs to win late in the game there's not much we can say against that.He who must not be named wrote:MP changed the role so that if I got an absurdly large amount of mentions, I'll get all of the powers at one time. I don't think he seriously expected me to get that much. That's why half the players are spouting Lou Reed lyrics. One of those powers is the ability to randomize all night actions, but I get to exempt three roles. As I said before, I chose myself, Zodac, and Moriarty.
My win condition is compatible with pretty much everyone elses. Including civvies, baddies, and BOBies. I don't want to completely reveal it, just to be safe with MP.
You guys have two options relating to me.
A: Vote for me, and hope that Zodac didn't choose me. If he did, he also probably chose someone major and important to eliminate. Epig, what was his win condition in Masters?
B: Don't vote for me. I walk free until the next day.
Rinse and repeat.
Do you really want to possibly sacrifice someone major and important just to get rid of me? While I'm flattered, if I were in your shoes, I'd think it wasn't worth it, mostly because as long you don't mention my name, I have no powers.
Also, wonder why I wasn't NK'd? Everyone's talking about me. I'm dominating the discussion. Leaving the thread no time to possibly sniff out baddies.
You guys have to make a decision. Vote me, hope Zodac didn't choose me, and possibly lose a big contributor to the thread. Or don't mention my name, and you guys can actually focus on catching baddies and bad indies.
Oh, such a perfect day
You just keep me hanging on
Ok. I forgot that Lizzy said this. Rereading this post kind of makes me feel better about her. I was originally under the impression that she went All In for this idea, and I thought that was a pretty bold gamble. Not quite the case, it seems.Lizzy wrote:I think this could prove to be accurate for a certain type of players. Sure, they have refined and updated their style as they gained experience, but the original patterns might still be there. Now with the looney and 'avant' type of players, I would not bet on it. Yes, this looks extremely flawed from whatever p.o.v you're looking at it, butt I'm soooooooo curious about it if it does exist.thellama73 wrote: As someone who has studied statistics a bit, I would also add that your model assumes no change in style over time unrelated to baddie or civvieness. Even if you had hundreds of games worth of data, they would have to have taken place over many years. The assumption that players will not have refined and updated their style over time is unrealistic, and I can think of no way to adequately control for time in this case.
I'll dig deeper later.
Are you kidding me?A Person wrote:*pretend my curse is here*
Makes sense.insertnamehere wrote:Yup.juliets wrote:Is Lizzie saying that the first 15 players alphabetically - the first half of the players - have been cursed with this song curse? That's what I'm getting out of it.
No, insternamehere, I am not.insertnamehere wrote:Are you kidding me?A Person wrote:*pretend my curse is here*
Da' Fuck!?!?A Person wrote:you mean INSERTNAMEHERE right
*pretend my curse is here*
You aren't going to pull an Epignosis, are you?A Person wrote:No, insternamehere, I am not.insertnamehere wrote:Are you kidding me?A Person wrote:*pretend my curse is here*
Oh, it's such a perfect day
I'm glad I spend it with insertnamehere
I already quoted his post once.insertnamehere wrote:You aren't going to pull an Epignosis, are you?A Person wrote:No, insternamehere, I am not.insertnamehere wrote:Are you kidding me?A Person wrote:*pretend my curse is here*
Oh, it's such a perfect day
I'm glad I spend it with insertnamehere
I am so epically far behind, but I'm going to post this now and then keep reading because I'll forget it later.juliets wrote:I am worried about the specter of Zodac in this vote today. Given how he operates I have to believe he picked Media as one of his two people last night and god knows who as his other person (thanks Epig for the explanation of the role). So, I feel better waiting to vote for Media until the 3rd day. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me with a great candidate to vote today. I'm considering one of the VAL's but I'm not totally convinced anymore that Lizzie is bad, and I'm not sure about Vomps or A Person either.
On the other hand, maybe I'm worrying too much about Zodac. Maybe he would just kill Media and we'd be done with it. How are the rest of you feeling that are considering a vote for Media? Mongoose, I'd love to hear your thoughts but you are really constrained with respect to being able to discuss freely. Maybe you could try and I'll see if I get it. Everyone else, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, YES!Dom wrote:liar liar plants for hire
Remember when SoFi outed my entire baddie team in Spongebob? So awesome.
Quotes don't count.A Person wrote:I already quoted his post once.insertnamehere wrote:You aren't going to pull an Epignosis, are you?A Person wrote:No, insternamehere, I am not.insertnamehere wrote:Are you kidding me?A Person wrote:*pretend my curse is here*
Oh, it's such a perfect day
I'm glad I spend it with insertnamehere
feed animals in the zoo
You just keep me hanging on
Yup. THat's how I feel. One bird in the hand is Hive Queen two porringer the bush.Kate wrote:I am so epically far behind, but I'm going to post this now and then keep reading because I'll forget it later.juliets wrote:I am worried about the specter of Zodac in this vote today. Given how he operates I have to believe he picked Media as one of his two people last night and god knows who as his other person (thanks Epig for the explanation of the role). So, I feel better waiting to vote for Media until the 3rd day. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me with a great candidate to vote today. I'm considering one of the VAL's but I'm not totally convinced anymore that Lizzie is bad, and I'm not sure about Vomps or A Person either.
On the other hand, maybe I'm worrying too much about Zodac. Maybe he would just kill Media and we'd be done with it. How are the rest of you feeling that are considering a vote for Media? Mongoose, I'd love to hear your thoughts but you are really constrained with respect to being able to discuss freely. Maybe you could try and I'll see if I get it. Everyone else, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
Why is it more likely that Zodac picked that guy for day 2 than it is that he is holding off for day 3? And how is it that we are so sure that Zodac has the same ability in this game as he did in his former game (He-Man, IIRC)? If the post from Epig came right at dawn and day was over, I think i'd be more on board with this but it didn't...and furthermore it was followed by an extended night to get PMs in per MP. I know not the whole next day but for a while. I guess I'd rather go with what seems like a sure thing than to shoot fish in a barrel and have a repeated day 1.
This theory just has a lot of holes in it, it seems.
Turnip Head wrote: We need to lynch Pennsylvania Bitch.
I highly doubt that MP would just change the role into something completely different. He generally keeps a roles major powers, and alters little things about them. Zodac has to choose someone to siphon votes from everyday. Why wouldn't he choose me, the only person people have been talking about for the last 2 days? Of course, we don't know if he held off until tomorrow, but we have no way to know if he did or didn't.Kate wrote:I am so epically far behind, but I'm going to post this now and then keep reading because I'll forget it later.juliets wrote:I am worried about the specter of Zodac in this vote today. Given how he operates I have to believe he picked Media as one of his two people last night and god knows who as his other person (thanks Epig for the explanation of the role). So, I feel better waiting to vote for Media until the 3rd day. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me with a great candidate to vote today. I'm considering one of the VAL's but I'm not totally convinced anymore that Lizzie is bad, and I'm not sure about Vomps or A Person either.
On the other hand, maybe I'm worrying too much about Zodac. Maybe he would just kill Media and we'd be done with it. How are the rest of you feeling that are considering a vote for Media? Mongoose, I'd love to hear your thoughts but you are really constrained with respect to being able to discuss freely. Maybe you could try and I'll see if I get it. Everyone else, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
Why is it more likely that Zodac picked that guy for day 2 than it is that he is holding off for day 3? And how is it that we are so sure that Zodac has the same ability in this game as he did in his former game (He-Man, IIRC)? If the post from Epig came right at dawn and day was over, I think i'd be more on board with this but it didn't...and furthermore it was followed by an extended night to get PMs in per MP. I know not the whole next day but for a while. I guess I'd rather go with what seems like a sure thing than to shoot fish in a barrel and have a repeated day 1.
This theory just has a lot of holes in it, it seems.
It's a simple choice. Vote for me, and there's a very likely chance that someone important will be killed. Or don't vote me, and move on to catching actual baddies. As long as you don't say my name, I'm pretty much powerless.Kate wrote:I am so epically far behind, but I'm going to post this now and then keep reading because I'll forget it later.juliets wrote:I am worried about the specter of Zodac in this vote today. Given how he operates I have to believe he picked Media as one of his two people last night and god knows who as his other person (thanks Epig for the explanation of the role). So, I feel better waiting to vote for Media until the 3rd day. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me with a great candidate to vote today. I'm considering one of the VAL's but I'm not totally convinced anymore that Lizzie is bad, and I'm not sure about Vomps or A Person either.
On the other hand, maybe I'm worrying too much about Zodac. Maybe he would just kill Media and we'd be done with it. How are the rest of you feeling that are considering a vote for Media? Mongoose, I'd love to hear your thoughts but you are really constrained with respect to being able to discuss freely. Maybe you could try and I'll see if I get it. Everyone else, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
Why is it more likely that Zodac picked that guy for day 2 than it is that he is holding off for day 3? And how is it that we are so sure that Zodac has the same ability in this game as he did in his former game (He-Man, IIRC)? If the post from Epig came right at dawn and day was over, I think i'd be more on board with this but it didn't...and furthermore it was followed by an extended night to get PMs in per MP. I know not the whole next day but for a while. I guess I'd rather go with what seems like a sure thing than to shoot fish in a barrel and have a repeated day 1.
This theory just has a lot of holes in it, it seems.
You don't have to trust me, just look at the facts.Kate wrote:I'm willing to take the chance I guess. I don't trust the person to whom I am speaking and I think this continued baloney days in a row is just going to run the game off its rails. Plus its annoying. *Votes*
I will be quiet for the next few days most likely. I dont get a lot of time to play on the weekends and we have a 3 day one coming up...and you guys talk a LOT!
Let's review.Kate wrote:"Facts?" What you say in the thread does not qualify as a fact to me.
You completely ignore that this was mentioned in the thread with hours til night end and his power could have been switched, IF THAT IS HIS POWER in this game (which is not a FACT).insertnamehere wrote:Let's review.Kate wrote:"Facts?" What you say in the thread does not qualify as a fact to me.
Zodac was a role in Masters of the Universe Mafia.
FACT
His role could siphon votes from someone to someone else.
FACT
He was a LMS indie in that game.
FACT
Zodac is in this game.
FACT
He is an indie.
FACT
He most likely has that same power in this game.
Anything that has "most likely" in it, is not a fact.
Everyone has pretty much condemned me, and said that they are going to vote for me.
OK...
Unless Zodac was SVS, he's probably going to try and use this situation to his advantage.
Not a fact.
Those were all facts.
I think it'd be reasonable to assume that Zodac's power is still pretty much the same as it used to be, with just a slight tweak if necessary to make it fit better in the game. I can't think of a role on the list that has drastically changed from what it first was.Kate wrote: You completely ignore that this was mentioned in the thread with hours til night end and his power could have been switched, IF THAT IS HIS POWER in this game (which is not a FACT).
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pm Always good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
Maybe reasonable, but not a fact.Bullzeye wrote:I think it'd be reasonable to assume that Zodac's power is still pretty much the same as it used to be, with just a slight tweak if necessary to make it fit better in the game. I can't think of a role on the list that has drastically changed from what it first was.Kate wrote: You completely ignore that this was mentioned in the thread with hours til night end and his power could have been switched, IF THAT IS HIS POWER in this game (which is not a FACT).
Just a perfect day
Problems all left alone
I'm never going to be able to listen to this song now, I'll associate it with having to post its lyrics in this game all day.
Begone with your reasonable assumption that actually use logic! We have no room for that here!Kate wrote:Maybe reasonable, but not a fact.Bullzeye wrote:I think it'd be reasonable to assume that Zodac's power is still pretty much the same as it used to be, with just a slight tweak if necessary to make it fit better in the game. I can't think of a role on the list that has drastically changed from what it first was.Kate wrote: You completely ignore that this was mentioned in the thread with hours til night end and his power could have been switched, IF THAT IS HIS POWER in this game (which is not a FACT).
Just a perfect day
Problems all left alone
I'm never going to be able to listen to this song now, I'll associate it with having to post its lyrics in this game all day.
This. I don't think there is any reason for any player to be naming most players at this point. It seems clear we can all survive and be done with this nonsense (for now, at least) if we're willing to coexist. AP is being reckless, and voting him seems safer than other courses of action we could take, given Zodac's power.juliets wrote:I don't know why A Person is trying to give points to someone who can use them against us. I'm not adverse to keeping someone i voted for last time alive but only if no one is trying to give away points. I am seriously thinking about an A Person vote this round. He may be trying to draw votes away from Vomps by misbehaving (he told Vomps earlier he would protect him) but his misbehavior is to our detriment.
Why? I understand he said he didn't randomize Moriarty (if you believe he got to pick those three ROLES (not players??)), but then, where did the second kill come from?Epignosis wrote:If OK Computer is telling the truth, then S~V~S' kill would most likely not be an accident.Dom wrote:Epig, now that I think about it, I'm not sure EVERYONE'S targets were messed with. I do not think SVS's kill was on accident, do you?
Kate, this is the second time it has been pointed out to you, but MP was not accepting any PMs after the post he made about extending the night. I don't trust our Neighborhood Attention Whore anymore than you do, but no PMs could have been changed once MP made that post.Kate wrote:I am so epically far behind, but I'm going to post this now and then keep reading because I'll forget it later.juliets wrote:I am worried about the specter of Zodac in this vote today. Given how he operates I have to believe he picked Media as one of his two people last night and god knows who as his other person (thanks Epig for the explanation of the role). So, I feel better waiting to vote for Media until the 3rd day. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me with a great candidate to vote today. I'm considering one of the VAL's but I'm not totally convinced anymore that Lizzie is bad, and I'm not sure about Vomps or A Person either.
On the other hand, maybe I'm worrying too much about Zodac. Maybe he would just kill Media and we'd be done with it. How are the rest of you feeling that are considering a vote for Media? Mongoose, I'd love to hear your thoughts but you are really constrained with respect to being able to discuss freely. Maybe you could try and I'll see if I get it. Everyone else, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
Why is it more likely that Zodac picked that guy for day 2 than it is that he is holding off for day 3? And how is it that we are so sure that Zodac has the same ability in this game as he did in his former game (He-Man, IIRC)? If the post from Epig came right at dawn and day was over, I think i'd be more on board with this but it didn't...and furthermore it was followed by an extended night to get PMs in per MP. I know not the whole next day but for a while. I guess I'd rather go with what seems like a sure thing than to shoot fish in a barrel and have a repeated day 1.
This theory just has a lot of holes in it, it seems.
How do you know what MP "generally" did for this game? What would the point of secrets be? What do you think of Epig's thoughts on how TSE doesn't seem to have any of his original powers in the game? I don't believe a single word out of your mouth.Attention Whore wrote: I highly doubt that MP would just change the role into something completely different. He generally keeps a roles major powers, and alters little things about them. Zodac has to choose someone to siphon votes from everyday. Why wouldn't he choose me, the only person people have been talking about for the last 2 days? Of course, we don't know if he held off until tomorrow, but we have no way to know if he did or didn't.
What would the point be of (Secrets), then?Bullzeye wrote:I think it'd be reasonable to assume that Zodac's power is still pretty much the same as it used to be, with just a slight tweak if necessary to make it fit better in the game. I can't think of a role on the list that has drastically changed from what it first was.Kate wrote: You completely ignore that this was mentioned in the thread with hours til night end and his power could have been switched, IF THAT IS HIS POWER in this game (which is not a FACT).
Just a perfect day
Problems all left alone
I'm never going to be able to listen to this song now, I'll associate it with having to post its lyrics in this game all day.
You just keep me hanging onDharmaHelper wrote:I wish I was more into today but I just tried to do a read up and damn if it's not like, 2 or three solid pages of that "k ture" crap that I hate.
So I'm gonna vote now and get goin' Voted for my true love.
You just keep me hanging on
You just keep me hanging on
A Person wrote:I would kVompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I may have forgotten to send my night PM?
good thing my team sends in a group one or i would too
Edit: Forgot my curse
You just keep me hanging on
problems all left alone
I predict russti will post after me!
Ooooh... you shouldn't have done that.A Person wrote:What did she say q.m.Vompatti wrote:
just like Sister Ray said
I forgot my curse again :\
You're going to reap just what you sow
I thought I was
A Person wrote:I would kVompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I may have forgotten to send my night PM?
good thing my team sends in a group one or i would too
Edit: Forgot my curse
You just keep me hanging on
problems all left alone
I predict russti will post after me!
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pm Always good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Sure bestie!DharmaHelper wrote:Hey Doge would you like to be bestfriends
wow
such mafia
very champion
much cooperate.
wow.
You just keep me hanging on
You just keep me hanging on
Not even referencing the Zodac situation, are you?Flyin' High wrote:I love being reminded I'm playing a game hosted by MP.
RIP in pieces Mr. Sinister Exaggerator.
I agree that some players seem to be making a lot of assumptions about how roles may or may not have changed.
Rather than drag this out any longer, I am just going to vote for [redacted]. He's basically outed himself, and he continues to be doing what he can to keep attention on him which is distracting to the nth degree. If he truly had civvie intentions I honestly don't think he'd continue to post the way he's been posting.
