Dethy Mafia [Game Over]

[thellama73]

If you end up being right, I will be very sorry, but I have to make the logical decision here.

[FZ.]

I would be a fool to change my vote in the face of all evidence, just based on your word. But I have to give you credit, you make a very compelling and impassioned argument. Your Latin is wrong though, so if nothing lse, it's worth lynching you for that.

English is not my native language, so since I don't write Latin, that is a very poor excuse for lynching me, not to mention the fact that your spelling is wrong, and English is your mother tongue.

Joking aside, while I can see why you are seeing things this way, and I'm not sure I would listen to me either, it's the truth! And not only will you be lynching me, but you'll be getting yourself killed and losing us all the game. If you want to joke about that, go ahead.

[FZ.]

Mafia isn't always about logic, but I guess I can't fault you. It's really kind of sad, because we were 4 and he's just one, and TH's idea was great. I can't believe we blew it. Sucks.


Okay, I can't stay anymore.

[thellama73]

Mafia isn't always about logic, but I guess I can't fault you. It's really kind of sad, because we were 4 and he's just one, and TH's idea was great. I can't believe we blew it. Sucks.


Okay, I can't stay anymore.

Just think about how I would feel if I voted against all logic and ended up being wrong. I would never live it down.

[insertnamehere]

There's three problems with your theory FZ.

1: Why wouldn't Lizzy say "Hey, I checked INH and he was bad" when the game began? There was still a pretty decent amount of time and posts before she apparently gave up on the game, if she wanted to help the civvies, why not at least mention my name?

2: I think that Lizzy was joking when she said that she wanted the baddie to win. I've played with her before, and she has never struck me as the type to ruin a whole teams game just because she got lynched.

3: I wish I was that good at playing mafia to pull off a move like that. My "talents" trend more towards the hosting side of things, and when I do participate in some crazy fucking scheme or something, it's usually an off-the-cuff, "Hey, why not?" type play. For example, I pretended to have some magical program that looked at players posting history, ran it through an algorithm, and was able to tell whether or not a player was bad using statistics. I didn't know at the time that one of the other players made computer algorithms that used statistics for his job, and saw through my bullshit immediately. That's maybe the most thought-out game I've played so far.

[thellama73]

I would be a fool to change my vote in the face of all evidence, just based on your word. But I have to give you credit, you make a very compelling and impassioned argument. Your Latin is wrong though, so if nothing lse, it's worth lynching you for that.

English is not my native language, so since I don't write Latin, that is a very poor excuse for lynching me, not to mention the fact that your spelling is wrong, and English is your mother tongue.

And since we're being pedantic, my spelling isn't bad, my typing is. There exists a difference. Not having English as your first language gives you even less of an excuse to not know Latin and to misspell ad hoc.

[FZ.]

Mafia isn't always about logic, but I guess I can't fault you. It's really kind of sad, because we were 4 and he's just one, and TH's idea was great. I can't believe we blew it. Sucks.


Okay, I can't stay anymore.

Just think about how I would feel if I voted against all logic and ended up being wrong. I would never live it down.

I'm so going to pay for this. I don't like losing as a civvie, so if I end up getting lynched and won't finish my work, I'm never going to let you live this down. Just because TH said I was the baddie, doesn't make it more logical. Check my answer to INH for the rest of this logic explanation...

There's three problems with your theory FZ.

1: Why wouldn't Lizzy say "Hey, I checked INH and he was bad" when the game began? There was still a pretty decent amount of time and posts before she apparently gave up on the game, if she wanted to help the civvies, why not at least mention my name?

2: I think that Lizzy was joking when she said that she wanted the baddie to win. I've played with her before, and she has never struck me as the type to ruin a whole teams game just because she got lynched.

3: I wish I was that good at playing mafia to pull off a move like that. My "talents" trend more towards the hosting side of things, and when I do participate in some crazy fucking scheme or something, it's usually an off-the-cuff, "Hey, why not?" type play. For example, I pretended to have some magical program that looked at players posting history, ran it through an algorithm, and was able to tell whether or not a player was bad using statistics. I didn't know at the time that one of the other players made computer algorithms that used statistics for his job, and saw through my bullshit immediately. That's maybe the most thought-out game I've played so far.

I love how you're saying there are problems with my theory, yet you're not calling me a baddie. It's like you're afraid to push this too hard, or llama will think you're sweating.
1. I think Lizzie decided to make things interesting long before she was voted for. You can even see it in her attitude before she even got one vote. So she didn't say anything like you're suggesting. Plus, I have no idea if she investigated you or not. She could have investigated TH and just lied about the results to mix things up. When I said she might have known you were lying, I was assuming it was based on your "results"

2. I have no idea how she is, because I've barely played with her, but she seems like a funky person (I'm bad at English slang), who would do crazy things, especially in a small game where it's not that serious, and no harm will really be done.

3. When people say "I wish I were that good", it just makes me think they are, but I guess we'll just have to see.

I would be a fool to change my vote in the face of all evidence, just based on your word. But I have to give you credit, you make a very compelling and impassioned argument. Your Latin is wrong though, so if nothing lse, it's worth lynching you for that.

English is not my native language, so since I don't write Latin, that is a very poor excuse for lynching me, not to mention the fact that your spelling is wrong, and English is your mother tongue.

And since we're being pedantic, my spelling isn't bad, my typing is. There exists a difference. Not having English as your first language gives you even less of an excuse to not know Latin and to misspell ad hoc.

Since we're elaborating on this, I'll just have you know, that I actually wrote ad hoc, yet the stupid spell checker told me I was wrong, and it suggested the "ad hock", so I thought that's how it's written when "said" in English. So will you now change your vote?

[thellama73]

So will you now change your vote?

No. :P

Bottom line is, your theory requires more assumptions than mine. I don't see a reason to make those assumptions.

[FZ.]

Suit yourself I did my best. Loss is on you, not me. I was the only one seeing the truth.

[FZ.]

One last try, and then I'm moving to the other game or going to sleep.

llama, are you sure there's nothing that can change your mind? I think INH has been playing an incredible game, and he knew who to kill as well. But you're making a terrible mistake and now would be a good time to wake up and smell the coffee

[FZ.]

I guess not....

Okay INH, you have my blessing for killing llama at night

At least I won't be here when you hang me in the city square...
Bad decision

Good night

[insertnamehere]

Early lynch post?

[thellama73]

Loss is on you, not me.

If there is a los, it's on Lizzy, not me. I made the only logical choice. I stand by my actions, even if it turns out I am wrong.

[FZ.]

I thought this farce would be over by now and I could say I told you so. Oh well, I'll just have to wait...

[thellama73]

We have a listless, irresponsible host.

[FZ.]

We have a listless, irresponsible host.

He's just disappointed at you like I am

[Marmot]

We have a listless, irresponsible host.

The day isn't quite over yet sillies. I'm also on Pacific time, so these times aren't all that late for me.

[Marmot]

FZ has been lynched. Hey, look at that! You cops got it right.

FZ was lynched. FZ was the baddie.

Congratulations civilians, you have won.

[Marmot]

Here are everyone's assigned roles. INH happened to be the insane one.

1) insertnamehere - Insane Cop
2) thellama73 - Naïve Cop
3) Turnip Head - Paranoid Cop
4) FZ. - Baddie
5) Lizzy - Sane Cop

[Lizzy]

:\ Looks like the baddie was in worse shape than the cops who called me a liar. I liked the fact that I've been used up until the last minute.
FZ, I think I deserve a late 'thanks' for rooting for you.

[FZ.]

What? I was the baddie? I was sure I was just insane

Congrats to the civvies

Lizzie, I do thank you though it didn't help.

I was doomed the second TH came up with that plan on night 0. While it was a very clever plan (it was, you can be proud of yourself), for fairness' sake, I don't think it should have been used on the first night. The only option was for two answers from each type. Once there were three innocent, it was evident that the baddie was one of the three who said innocent, so it took two out of the race. And I couldn't have said I checked someone else because that would have made me look even more scummy. So maybe closing the thread for discussion the first night was the right decision. Too bad it happened too late

I still enjoyed the game, and my apologies to everyone I used and manipulated. I actually hate doing that. That's part of what makes me a very bad scum.

Thanks for the game, MM

[Lizzy]

At least we now know how you behave when naughty.

Cheers for the game, Marshy!

[thellama73]

Great game! FZ, I agree with you about the plan being a little unfair since the thread was supposed to be closed, but even so you came vanishingly close to winning. You made such an impassioned plea that you almost convinced me, and there was always a chance people would have thought me the other liar instead of you (which I am grateful they did not.) Without TH's plan, you would have destroyed us for sure. It wouldn't even have been close.

[insertnamehere]

I'm on a role, aren't I? First Willow, and now this! This is my highest streak ever.

FZ, you had me worried for a second there that Llama wouldn't make the obviously right choice. Question, why did you try and get me eliminated instead of Llama?

[FZ.]

At least we now know how you behave when naughty.

Cheers for the game, Marshy!

How do I behave?
I would like to know too, because I can't judge objectively.

Great game! FZ, I agree with you about the plan being a little unfair since the thread was supposed to be closed, but even so you came vanishingly close to winning. You made such an impassioned plea that you almost convinced me, and there was always a chance people would have thought me the other liar instead of you (which I am grateful they did not.) Without TH's plan, you would have destroyed us for sure. It wouldn't even have been close.

Thanks I couldn't go with you because INH got innocent on me and he got baddie on TH. TH and INH were the only ones who got "guilty" the first night, and TH was a confirmed civ, so if INH was telling the truth (and he was), I had to be the baddie, because he got baddie for TH and innocent for me. It meant he was the innocent for sure. So I had to make him the liar. If he'd come out and said he got guilty on me, I could still persuade him I was the civvie and you the baddie. But, he didn't and the rest is history...
Good job sticking to your intuition and logic Sorry I made you feel bad.

linki @ yeah, you are. Great job! The answer to your question is in my reply to llama. But maybe I was analyzing this too much and thought you would too. I thought there was no way I could make you think you were wrong.

[Turnip Head]

Fun game! Sorry for accidentally ruining it. :P

You played a good game though FZ. Shoulda kept me alive; if anyone could have been swayed by your impassioned and valiant effort, it was probably me. And I got a "guilty" read on you meaning I was the paranoid cop, so I would have been super paranoid the whole day.

I was pretty sure it was you though

[Turnip Head]

I hope other games like this will be played. It was a fun concept and I could see it playing out differently every time.

Also I didn't expect everyone to actually go through with my plan! But the thread got locked so people didn't have time to argue about the merits of it. I fully expected to get called out as the baddie for trying to manipulate everyone.

[FZ.]

Fun game! Sorry for accidentally ruining it. :P

You played a good game though FZ. Shoulda kept me alive; if anyone could have been swayed by your impassioned and valiant effort, it was probably me. And I got a "guilty" read on you meaning I was the paranoid cop, so I would have been super paranoid the whole day.

I was pretty sure it was you though

I knew it was a chance I had to take. I didn't know which one was the paranoid and which was the insane, so I thought since you came up with the plan, you would be more attentive to the results and options. In truth, the minute Lizzie was gone, there was no other way but for me to be the baddie

TH investigated llama- guilty
Lizzie investigated TH-innocent
llama inv. TH- innocent
INH inv. TH- guilty
I "inv." TH- innocent

1. One of those saying "innocent" was the baddie.
2. If llama was the baddie and was lying, it would mean that TH was either the sane or paranoid cop. If he was the sane or paranoid cop, it would mean there was no way in which both me and lizzie would get an "innocent" and INH a "guilty" reply, because if he was the sane, the naive could get an innocent reply on TH, but neither the paranoid, nor the insane could get that on TH (which would mean there should be only one innocent). If TH was the paranoid, it means the sane and naive could get an "innocent" reply on TH, but then the insane, would get the "innocent" as well.

So basically, after Lizzie's lynch the game should have been over.

[Marmot]

I enjoy this kind of game because it's very much logic-based. I've once played one where each role was doubled (10 players and baddies have BTSC, but only one kill I think). That was quite complicated to figure out, so this one is far simpler.

FZ. had the right idea in pursuing the logic. It's too bad you recognized you were kinda screwed though, so you couldn't use that in your argument too well.

[Marmot]

Thanks everyone for playing, and my apologies for any mistakes I made, which I know there were a couple.

[Marmot]

Triple Post

Here's everyone's night actions as well, though I'm sure you already know them all from thread discussion.

Night 0
1) insertnamehere - Insane Cop
- checked Turnip Head - returned guilty
2) thellama73 - Naïve Cop
- checked Turnip Head - returned innocent
3) Turnip Head - Paranoid Cop
- checked thellama73 - returned guilty
4) FZ. - Baddie
- no action
5) Lizzy - Sane Cop
- checked Turnip Head - returned innocent

Night 1
1) insertnamehere - Insane Cop
- checked FZ. - returned innocent
2) thellama73 - Naïve Cop
- checked FZ. - returned innocent
3) Turnip Head - Paranoid Cop
- checked FZ. - returned guilty
4) FZ. - Baddie
- killed Turnip Head

[FZ.]

I enjoy this kind of game because it's very much logic-based. I've once played one where each role was doubled (10 players and baddies have BTSC, but only one kill I think). That was quite complicated to figure out, so this one is far simpler.

FZ. had the right idea in pursuing the logic. It's too bad you recognized you were kinda screwed though, so you couldn't use that in your argument too well.

It was fun, I agree. The thing with this kind of game is that every night is crucial. So for example, if night 0's investigations weren't decided on before, it would take longer. That doubled role thing sounds life fun too!
And yeah, too bad I couldn't use my logic here

Thanks for organizing the game

[Marmot]

So I can't seem to move these threads to the place I want to put them.

[S~V~S]

You want them archived? We generally move them when the next game is ready to go into sign ups, but I can move it now if you like.

[Marmot]

Oh I see, well now is fine too. Thanks SVS.