Death Note Mafia [END]

[Epignosis]

Well Epi, those reveals make me interested to know why you wanted to know if people would accept the eye deal...

So just Epi for asking about it and then it turning out it appears to be a pretty huge mechanic in the game, that would seem to only have baddie links.

The Shinigami Eyes being a Mafia mechanic in this game is actually a revelation to you?

So, I confess to having not read every single post in this game. However, I think Epi talking a lot about me and not voting me is standard Epi. In fact I guess he was hoping I'd say something to defend myself. (No such luck! :P) I do think it's weird that he's been talking about it for so long, though. Go find someone else's tree to bark up, please!

Reading up on these revealed secrets now...

Linki: OH HAI GUYZ!

Where's the guy who's been begging you to talk when you need him?

I said I was leaving the house (for band practice, if you must know). I don't post for 90 minutes and you're wondering where I am? Hell, obviously you're not reading posts.

[Epignosis]

This is just like Waiting For Godot, except we're waiting for Epignosis, lol.

In that case, I should have faked silence.

I came into today feeling pretty much the same about FZ as I did before. When she is a civ, regardless of the thread output, she is fearless, poking people and speaking her mind. Calling people out for all kinds of things. This game, not so much. When she finally does suspect someone strongly enought to commit to it (kinda) it is someone she suspects for basically the same reasons she herself is suspoect.

It is rare that you and I agree, especially on a suspect with matching reasons.

BUT the great Secret Eyeball Revelation plus Russti coming out of hiding has me wanting to see how Epi plays this.

I'm not going to "play it" any way. Our family is watching the show (we can't watch it as frequently as most), and the Shinigami eyes were raised again in the latest episode we viewed (episode 7, in which *SPOILERS*Ryuk tries to get Light to take the Shinigami Eyes because Naomi Misora was using a pseudonym*END SPOILERS*). So I asked about it in here.

As for Russ "coming out of hiding," as you put it, I predicted this before I left my house this evening- that he would begin posting on Day 2.

I'm brandishing my pitchfork in anticipation of Epi's response.

You would have to dig it back out of llama first.

[Turnip Head]

I'm satisfied. What about you guys?

[bea]

This is just like Waiting For Godot, except we're waiting for Epignosis, lol.

I came into today feeling pretty much the same about FZ as I did before. When she is a civ, regardless of the thread output, she is fearless, poking people and speaking her mind. Calling people out for all kinds of things. This game, not so much. When she finally does suspect someone strongly enought to commit to it (kinda) it is someone she suspects for basically the same reasons she herself is suspoect.

BUT the great Secret Eyeball Revelation plus Russti coming out of hiding has me wanting to see how Epi plays this.

She feels a bit over defensive at being looked at too. I've never heard her say that there was too much discussion going on before this game. Here or on her own site. She's usually the one trying to get people to talk more.

linki - I always feel like I'm late responding to everything.

more linki -satisfied in what way TH? Epi's responses? Rusty's? The fact that beer is on the way to me and dinner is easy to make and starting to smell delicious? That it's almost the weekend?

[DharmaHelper]

I'm hearing a lot of "This is not typical FZ." not so much "This is not typical civ FZ." can anyone reconcile the two for me?

[boo]

I'm satisfied. What about you guys?

If it's such an obvious mechanic as Epi is making it sound like, when he's 7 episodes in, why did no one who has seen all of it not already mentioned it as a mechanic we should be worried about, and DH, who has seen it was still suspicious of Epi (at least before he gave the explanation). So either it's an elaborate set up by everyone who knows the theme to get Epi killed, or it's a minor thing and it's still weird Epi thinks it is so obvious it's a game mechanic and it's weird he just happened to bring it up before any non-baddie could know it was in the game with certainty.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm satisfied. What about you guys?

If it's such an obvious mechanic as Epi is making it sound like, when he's 7 episodes in, why did no one who has seen all of it not already mentioned it as a mechanic we should be worried about, and DH, who has seen it was still suspicious of Epi (at least before he gave the explanation). So either it's an elaborate set up by everyone who knows the theme to get Epi killed, or it's a minor thing and it's still weird Epi thinks it is so obvious it's a game mechanic and it's weird he just happened to bring it up before any non-baddie could know it was in the game with certainty.

In all fairness, I was aware of the Shinigami Eyes as they relate to the show and silently considered they could play a part in the game. I just felt like it would be more appropriate to wait until more information presented itself before I added my two cents.

[Turnip Head]

I definitely considered that the Eye deal could be in the game but didn't want to upset Llama by wildly speculating.

[bea]

I'm hearing a lot of "This is not typical FZ." not so much "This is not typical civ FZ." can anyone reconcile the two for me?

I wish I could, but I don't really recall her being a baddie in a game we played together. I know I replaced her as a baddie in a game on K-site, but I'm not gonna lie, that game was so close to over, I did the baddie move of saying I was catching up but never really doing it.

[Turnip Head]

Here's a lore-mechanics question: how do we get the Death Note out of Kira's hands? It sounds like it should be possible.

[boo]

I'm brandishing my pitchfork in anticipation of Epi's response.

I definitely considered that the Eye deal could be in the game but didn't want to upset Llama by wildly speculating.

Really? Then what was suspicious about it in the first place for you?

[Epignosis]

Once his Bioshock game got underway, in which MovingPictures07 accounted for everything in the game except for the damn pipe puzzles (and hell, those might have been in there too), I purchased a WWMPD? bracelet. What that does is make me ask myself "What Would Moving Pictures Do?" as a game creator. When I got to the first episode that talked about the Shinigami eyes, I wondered how he might incorporate that feature. I figured it might have something to do with info, but I didn't guess what the trade off would be.

I am under the impression that MP got all PMs due to his announcements about ending the Night early and then not doing so.
So I wonder why there was no kill.

I'm hearing a lot of "This is not typical FZ." not so much "This is not typical civ FZ." can anyone reconcile the two for me?

I wish I could, but I don't really recall her being a baddie in a game we played together. I know I replaced her as a baddie in a game on K-site, but I'm not gonna lie, that game was so close to over, I did the baddie move of saying I was catching up but never really doing it.

Same here. I remember hosting her in Willow as an independent, but she played a civilian-friendly game, as I recall.

[thellama73]

I definitely considered that the Eye deal could be in the game but didn't want to upset Llama by wildly speculating.

Why do you care whether you upset me? You shouldn't.

Welcome Russ!

I'm going to join the early voting crowd and vote Snowman, who I think is very, very bad.

[bea]

why do you think snowman is very very bad llama?

[thellama73]

why do you think snowman is very very bad llama?

His earlier comment about waiting for a consensus to emerge before voting, his humorous deflection when I called him on it, and his layig quite low indeed for this whole game. I feel very good about this vote.

[Epignosis]

And, in case it isn't obvious, I am going to take anything Russtifinko says with a grain of salt.

Or the whole Morton Company.

[Turnip Head]

It's entirely possible and extremely likely that Russ has a role that gained something by staying silent on Day 1. What I don't really know at this point is what role that would be. My best guess, X Kira, is clearly wrong.

[boo]

It's entirely possible and extremely likely that Russ has a role that gained something by staying silent on Day 1. What I don't really know at this point is what role that would be. My best guess, X Kira, is clearly wrong.

My problem now with it being role related is that since we now know the roles of living players are going to be revealed over time or when conditions are met or whatever, is that if that is in a role it would out him when that role gets revealed, while outting him as not certain roles (like X Kira) as they are revealed. That seems really weird to me, especially because there is no ambivalence about it, he's the only person who didn't post, we didn't have like 3 or 4 people who could each have a role with something similar.

[Turnip Head]

Why do you think Russ didn't post on Day 1, boo?

[thellama73]

Why do you think Russ didn't post on Day 1, boo?

That's becoming a really tedious question. Doesn't anyone want to ask anything else?

[Turnip Head]

Boo doesn't think it's role related so I'm curious what he thinks it is.

[DharmaHelper]

Why do you think Russ didn't post on Day 1, boo?

That's becoming a really tedious question. Doesn't anyone want to ask anything else?

Epi, how come you didn't vote for Russ?

[thellama73]

Boo doesn't think it's role related so I'm curious what he thinks it is.

Boo has already answered this question. Why not ask something new?

[boo]

Why do you think Russ didn't post on Day 1, boo?

And day 0. And night 1. And didn't vote Day 1.

I don't know, I don't trust it. If it is role related, which I can't make sense of, is there a civvie explanation? If it isn't role related, it just seems like a ploy to escape attention and then come in and fake it to stir up confusion when that stops working, and I definitely don't see a civvie explanation for that.

[Turnip Head]

Boo doesn't think it's role related so I'm curious what he thinks it is.

Boo has already answered this question. Why not ask something new?

Because I'm still interested in this discussion. What do you think I should be talking about?

[thellama73]

Boo doesn't think it's role related so I'm curious what he thinks it is.

Boo has already answered this question. Why not ask something new?

Because I'm still interested in this discussion. What do you think I should be talking about?

Something less boring than Russ, which has been covered to death and which only he knows the answer to. Boring, boring, boring!

And as we all know...


Why not talk about Snowman? Now he is interesting...

[Epignosis]

Snowman reminds me of Bad Mr. Frosty:

[Elohcin]

So, I confess to having not read every single post in this game. However, I think Epi talking a lot about me and not voting me is standard Epi. In fact I guess he was hoping I'd say something to defend myself. (No such luck! :P) I do think it's weird that he's been talking about it for so long, though. Go find someone else's tree to bark up, please!

Reading up on these revealed secrets now...

Linki: OH HAI GUYZ!

I have noticed the Epi's play style in the beginning of games is to throw names out there just to see who will bite (become defensive) or who will take a name and begin a discussion. He's just looking for reactions, so I pretty much ignore epi for the first couple of days....sorry Epi. Not saying I don't read your posts...I just don't read into them.

I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

Can we say vague? I tend to believe your vote is being forced.

Russ, can you tell us why you waited til now to post but have been around in the thread during other phases as some have said?

[thellama73]

Here's what I have to contribute to the interminable Russ discussion.

[DharmaHelper]

A lot of people using the word boring in this game so far. You know who else uses that word in DN? Ryuk.

[thellama73]

A lot of people using the word boring in this game so far. You know who else uses that word in DN? Ryuk.

But does he use the word "boringest"?

[Epignosis]

A lot of people using the word boring in this game so far. You know who else uses that word in DN? Ryuk.

Wasn't that the gag?

[Zombarella]

I for one would be happy to talk about lynching Snowman. As per SVS, laying low would be a good baddie move in this game and Snowman is doing that. As per Boo, I agree that the posters seem to get lynched while the non-posters (or low posters) don't. As a trained psychologist irl, Snowman will take full advantage if given the chance. I'm not ready to vote for him today, but I want to talk about it a lot more.

@Boo - I like your Russ logic. I also liked it when Epi used it. I don't see a way to spin his behavior as good.

[Zombarella]

About FZ, I don't like that she called me out, it was weird. But I really want her to be a civ because she is an awesome civ! I've only played one game with her though. I will have to take what SVS and bea say about her into consideration because they know her playstyle much better than I do.

[Zombarella]

Where is Spacedaisy? She hasn't posted in awhile.

[DharmaHelper]

Just as a neat little factoid, 58% of currently alive players have no vested interest in lynching non-detective roles.

[Zombarella]

Just as a neat little factoid, 58% of currently alive players have no vested interest in lynching non-detective roles.

Well that certainly does paint this uphill battle in a bleak light.

[juliets]

Where is Spacedaisy? She hasn't posted in awhile.

I was asking myself the same thing about Made.

[Turnip Head]

Juliets where are you looking for this lynch?

[Snowman]

Snowman reminds me of Bad Mr. Frosty:

Yikes, now I kinda want to lynch Snowman...or play Clayfighter.

[juliets]

TH, I want to sort out what people see in Snowman and re-read FZ. It seems like the case on FZ. is more meta and I don't recall if I've ever seen her bad. So I'll re-read her posts and see if I see anything there. I'm not looking at DH, Epi, boo, you or SVS at this time but there are a lot of people that are just sitting there with a question mark for me. Depending on what happens tomorrow I'll re-read some others as well. I'm not convinced about anyone right now.

[thellama73]

Here you go, juliets:

Thank you Zomberella and SVS. I have no idea if either of you are bad or not, but you boiled down your take on all the players in one post, and I appreciate it. I frankly don't have the time to comb through a couple hundred episodes of "Trice Yells at Everyone" every day. I'll offer my insight and contribute what I can, but I don't see the "discussion" coalescing around anyone in particular. All I see is argument ad nauseum around the D0 poll.

I'm happy to see so many involved, but how do you find so much to talk about when literally nothing has happened yet? The most earth-shattering event so far is the realization that Russ hasn't posted anything.

Waiting for a bandwagon to hop onto?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 56#p115356

[Matahari]

Players seem extremely out of character, and its making me crazy. er. I've pondered whether TH and Llama were just doing something kind of cliche, like they have bts and both are safe from dying, but that doesn't make sense. Its too old school plus why even draw attention to themselves or each other.

Then I pondered whether one of the teams was allowed to signal to each other through antics in-thread, but after re-reading roles, it doesn't seem to fit. Seems more like ppl are supposed to remain secretive. So I'm back to the notion that certain players were given some kind of task/challenge on day 0. Maybe if a certain option won, they wouldn't have to do the weird thing, or if they accepted the challenge, but the wrong option won, they would have to do some weird task.

Whatever reason, its disconcerting. I'm going to keep observing the players who are not as much in the spotlight.

[Turnip Head]

Mata's pinging me a bit. Her post ^^ looks like it has a baddie mindset to it, specifically a baddie without BTSC trying to figure out what's going on.

[Marmot]

I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

Why do you say "the following reasons" when you linked "some previous reasons"?

[Matahari]

Mata's pinging me a bit. Her post ^^ looks like it has a baddie mindset to it, specifically a baddie without BTSC trying to figure out what's going on.

and you know whats going on, with the unusual voting and all, but are not inclined to talk about it. Or can't. I'm no mind reader, so I'll have to get used to disappointment, I guess. There are plenty of other people to study. Who maybe don't have agendas.

[Turnip Head]

I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

Why do you say "the following reasons" when you linked "some previous reasons"?

Didn't you already almost get modkilled for asking stupid questions?

[DharmaHelper]

Mata's pinging me a bit. Her post ^^ looks like it has a baddie mindset to it, specifically a baddie without BTSC trying to figure out what's going on.

Walk me through how it is you arrived at this conclusion.

[Turnip Head]

I read Mata's post and then that's the impression I got from it.

[DharmaHelper]

I read Mata's post and then that's the impression I got from it.

What about her post gave you this impression?