[ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

That feel when you know all the answers but you can't do anything about it

Isn't it funny how the answers only appear when you can no longer answer the question?

[Epignosis]

Who is here

[Epignosis]

WHO IS HERE?!!

[Epignosis]

HERE

[Epignosis]

here

[Epignosis]

ere

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ere

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ere

[nijuukyugou]

I'm here, off and on. Based on what I've read and been thinking about, I'm most likely to vote fingersplints. Personally, I think all this talk about DFaraday is a distraction and seems too easy again, but I'll read the stuff on him over again anyway.

[Canucklehead]

I'm here, off and on. Based on what I've read and been thinking about, I'm most likely to vote fingersplints. Personally, I think all this talk about DFaraday is a distraction and seems too easy again, but I'll read the stuff on him over again anyway.

Soooooo....if DFaraday is a distraction, who is doing the distracting? Shouldn't that be where your vote is going?

[Marmot]

I'm here, off and on. Based on what I've read and been thinking about, I'm most likely to vote fingersplints. Personally, I think all this talk about DFaraday is a distraction and seems too easy again, but I'll read the stuff on him over again anyway.

Soooooo....if DFaraday is a distraction, who is doing the distracting? Shouldn't that be where your vote is going?

I quite like your thinking here Canucklegoose.

[Canucklehead]

I'm here, off and on. Based on what I've read and been thinking about, I'm most likely to vote fingersplints. Personally, I think all this talk about DFaraday is a distraction and seems too easy again, but I'll read the stuff on him over again anyway.

Soooooo....if DFaraday is a distraction, who is doing the distracting? Shouldn't that be where your vote is going?

I quite like your thinking here Canucklegoose.

I quite like you remembering to call me Canucklegoose,

[fingersplints]

I haven't felt up to playing much and was worried I missed a lot, but I see no one else has been around much either. I think I have missed what cleared nijuu for Golden, but that's not surprising since I usually miss even the most obvious hints and stuff.

glad to see we got at least one replacement for the inactives. I feel bad for Daisy as this is probably a lot to catch up on, but I am glad to have her. Hope she can give some thoughts soon

hopefully will be around more later

[nutella]

I haven't felt up to playing much and was worried I missed a lot, but I see no one else has been around much either. I think I have missed what cleared nijuu for Golden, but that's not surprising since I usually miss even the most obvious hints and stuff.

glad to see we got at least one replacement for the inactives. I feel bad for Daisy as this is probably a lot to catch up on, but I am glad to have her. Hope she can give some thoughts soon

hopefully will be around more later

Do you have anything to say regarding the points several people have made against you?

[fingersplints]

yes, will address them asap

[Marmot]

A summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) attempts to nightkill Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) attempts to nightkill Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bass survives a kill from Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn)?
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - Scotty is nightkilled by an unknown force. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.


Having potentially missed two nightkills, Team Wildhorn looks like a couple of inactives. Their last kill came when Black Rock was still alive.

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

[Marmot]

On the other hand, Team Webber has slowly been eliminating players who have a tendency to post more. Epignosis, Sloonei (who survived), FZ. (who had just replaced an inactve), timmer, and Scotty.

[Marmot]

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

What confuses me more about Team Wildhorn's missed kills is that I believe that it seems to me that Jekyll & Hyde has still been targeting players.

[Marmot]

Here is a list of players that have not voted today, so I would assume that Jay has been silenced.

JaggedJimmyJay
Devin the Omniscient
Gumshoe
Hedgeowl
Neverwhere

Looking at the other four on the list, what does everyone think about one, or both of them being a member of Team Wildhorn?

[Epignosis]

There's more than that who have not voted. Posted, you mean?

[Marmot]

There's more than that who have not voted. Posted, you mean?

Yes, that was a mistake. You are correct.

Those players have not posted today, and aside from JJJ, haven't posted much lately, if at all.

I don't believe Neverwhere would be on that team, as she doesn't appear to understand how Frank Wildhorn's role works, as stated in this post.

Gumshoe and Devin have not posted since Day 1.

Hedgeowl is next on my list.

[Marmot]

Hedgeowl ISO for the win!!!!! (with lots of exclamations!) I'm just looking at interactions with/about Long Con and Black Rock.

Hedgeowl originally offers a no read of Long Con in response to Golden's question, with the reasoning that she can never tell very well with him. She also admitted to being sympathetic to LC for reasons that don't pertain to the game. This is very early in the game, so it's hard to tell if this indicates a baddie or civilian response. She did talk about SVS more in this post than LC, though Hedgeowl would later go on to vote for Long Con.

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Hedgeowl - if several people ended up voting for LC or SVS today, would you consider that there seemed to be good reasons for that, or are you saying that you find the reasons to suspect LC and SVS unconvincing?

Oh I am not saying that. Did I say that? I was commenting on the earlier discussion about newbies, which SVS and LC are not. I am sympathetic to LC because of Epi's accusation around the word "interesting" but that's more because I am someone who overuses this word in life. I do find SVS' defense interesting (!) however. I would not say I am ready to vote based on any of this yet though. Mostly, I think there been a lot of huffing and puffing and MP's redonkulous rainbow list aside ( ), not much noteworthy in 5 pages that took me too long to read, so I agree with Epi there. I will say so far he reads like civ Epi to me, and I can never tell very well with LC.

what are ISOs that everyone is mentioning? I assume not In Search Of...

Still no read of LC here, and Hedgeowl states that Epignosis's comments about SVS are noteworthy (she likes them?).

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I would add to Turnip's post that in Hedgeowl's third post, she seems to state that MP's rainbow list is something worth taking note of, but all she goes on to say is that it made her laugh.

That was a bit of tongue and cheek humor. I did not think his rainbow list (with only 2 colors!) was super valuable to me at the time, but I thought it was funny of him to try. I am so rarely serious in my posts, so it sometimes causes confusion. I play mafia for the lulz and as a break from my crazy wonderful two year old when he is sleeping, so I am not as serious as the serious players, but I do enjoy the game.

I also don't want anyone to feel as if I am insulting your rainbow lists. They are new to me and I am just getting used to them, but have no issues with those who use them, as you know, an actual rainbow. I haven't decided how I feel about Grainbows yet though.

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

Also, her response question 'Did I say that?' - was a noteworthy response to me.

Ah, my bandwagon comment was in no way related to SVS or LC. They are both so slippery when bad that I often find I suspect them in every game just because, but struggle to really find a concrete reason beyond gut. This game so far, I am finding Epi's comments noteworthy regarding SVS, but also keeping in mind this dynamic between the two is not new. As for LC I still don't know, but I have 3 more pages to read.

I'm with Turnip Head on this one. I got so caught up focusing on the whole Epi - Lc - SVS talk I forgot about the posts Hedgeowl had made. They read really scummy to me too. A lot of mafia excuse speak. If Hedge is bad, it seems kind of sloppy of her....

At this point she's pinging me the most for a day 1 vote.

I am reading Gumshoe as civvie for now.

How is it sloppy of me? What exactly did I say that you find to be mafia excuse speak? That I dont want to target newbies? Also, I can't decide if I am offended or not if it is sloppy mafia playing.

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

It just seems so out of place in that post. And I see what you're saying, she could refer back to that remark to preemptively counter any bandwagons she doesn't like. It's like that sentence came from the future and landed in Hedgeowl's post.

TH, you have seriously played mafia with me enough to know that I am very wary of bandwagons or what I perceive to be bandwagons and have used my votes before to actively save people I think are civvies. I dont see how that is any different for me this game.

Hedgeowl comments on Cobalt's vote, calling it unsurprising. This is Hedgeowl's first mention of Cobalt, and had not interacted with him before. Keep this in mind.

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Alright, I just finished catching up and am tired. I am really uncertain as to my suspicions currently, but would like to look back at those that jumped on board other people's suspicions and voted as a result. I am not super surprised at Cobalt's vote, but dont know how serious to take it given his earlier comments. MM as well need to reread. I will be interested in seeing how others vote an will plan to vote tomorrow evening hopefully.

Also, I find myself identifying with TGG description of playstyle as well. Rings true for me too.

Night y'all.

Hedgeowl places her vote on Day 1 in the final minutes.

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Ugh, I am like 5 pages behind, but I don't want SvS to go down on a self vote. Voting LC because between him and Cobalt I feel more suspicious of him, but very weak still.

Linki no idea what is going on in the vote lol.

This vote looks good at first, because it was a vote on LC to tie him with SVS for the lead (I think). But not long after, LC swoops in to put SVS ahead. Sure LC may have voted for self-preservation, but looking at Hedgeowl's vote, I don't think it's as sincere as it seems. I understand backing off of SVS, but Hedgeowl had offered no suspicion of LC to this point. She offered no read of him at one point, and sympathized with him in another post. She hadn't stated a suspicion of Cobalt either, but at from her posts, I believe she should have been more prone to vote Cobalt.

This move may have a calculated one to give Hedgeowl a good look.



Hedgeowl comments on Day 2 that she doesn't like Cobalt's antics, but doesn't seem to want to touch the Cobalt-LC relationship.

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I don't like the taunting Cobalt trying to get us to vote him now. Claiming that ability after someone guessed it seems like what you did I a game LC when Juliets said you were indy and you weren't.

I am almost inclined to leave the LC-Cobalt thing for another day, but there have been so many questions raised between these two. I still have 4-5 pages to read before the last lynch,

Day4, Hedgeowl states she is still catching up, and still plans to read about the LC-Cobalt relationship. She includes that she is finding LC increasingly less suspicious as she goes.

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Ok, still several pages to go before I am fully caught up. Honestly sloonei those lyrics are not subtle in the least. Maybe someone is super ballsy and confidant in their gut reads, but it seems extreme to write a whole song about Nutella if you don't really think she's bad. Either way very fun song writing there! I def don't think we should take the word of night post though, because there is no guarantee they are civ I would assume. I do however think it worthwhile to examine Nutellas posts, votes etc. just in case. No reason we shouldn't all get some scrutiny.

I also need to do some rereads of LC-Cobalt to get a better handle on that currently. I am still suspicious of LC, but less so the more I get caught up.

fuckin wifi signal..posting now I hope.

The very next day, Hedgeowl reads LC as a frustrated civ, but a civilian nonetheless.

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Scotty, no, I'm not sure that corruption means the player will change to bad, but I want to be sure about this, because if any of us were bad and could recruit or something of the sort, we'd take the most trusted player in the game. Right now, that's obviously Sloonei. So unless someone saved him, or he has a power to survive a NK on his own, I would be quite worried.

As for Golden voting Epi, that's a very weird choice, and I think we should think about why it's there. I doubt he was forced to do it, because Epig was not a high candidate for a lynch, so why waste it on him. So it seems he voted Epi for a good reason, at least to him.

Oh, and Neverwhere just reminded me about Splints.
Splints, of course civvies hesitate, but I think your choices for baddies are too easy. I think Bubbles is not bad, and based on his recent posts, I don't see Bass as bad either. I could be wrong of course, but it seems as if you chose the easy targets.

Very good point. Also...like I said before. Cobalt out of nowhere says he's 100% sure of Epi being bad and Golden suddenly just votes for him also.

I was also curious about this and thought it must have been something I missed. I've been rereading LC's posts, which have a lot of exchange with Golden, so surprised to see the Epi vote. I am still finishing them, but more and more LC is reading as frustrated civ to me. I need to read more about others thoughts on his connections to Tiny, and sig's posts in light of his lynch. I never thought the he killed Epi theory as a valid one. As BR commented I believe, it just doesn't seem like LC's style.

But 20 minutes later, Hedgeowl backtracks and votes LC. LC was lynched this day, but he held a 10-6 lead over G-Man at the time of her vote. That's not insurmountable, but still a wide margin, giving her vote less credit.

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Ok, I am making a mess of those spoiler and quotes tags, so will have to get someone to explain it to me later. I went back and read the cases on sig and LC in light of sig's posts and it doesn't look good. I dont know sig as a player, so I cant tell if he would defend a teammate so often, but it's not how I usually like to play as a baddie. However, with such early suspicion of LC it may have forced the team to go on the defensive. I dislike that he isnt here to defend himself, but reading through his posts he did have quite a lot of opportunity this game. I agree with Epi and Sloonei's assessments and will vote LC.

Votes Long Con

LInki Gman are you trying to tempt me to vote for you?

Hedgeowl comments on BR. Not much of a comment, just says she doesn't believe she would defend LC being his spouse.

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Welcome JJJ and SVS! Glad to have you, even though I have been super absent this game. So far in catch-up I have only read this page, so my plan is to vote now since they are changeable and then continue to catch up this evening while also during other things.

I obviously need to catch-up more on the BR case because I just havent been present enough to understand it beyond that she defended LC early on. Of all the people to get caught in a defense of LC, I would think someone's spouse would be the one. If they had been on a team, I think it less likely she would have defended him honestly. Now, I also felt that he wouldn't be the kind of player to go after Epi on Day 1, but didn't mean I didn't vote for him with two mafia teams.

On Day 7, the day BR was lynched, Hedgeowl votes nutella, but does comment after the lynch about BR, and directs attention towards nutella.

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Corrupted, so this fits with the LC teammate theory since that's the team with 3. It wouldn't be crazy of them to recruit BR either. Well done, those who sniffed her out. I can take no credt having minimally participated in this lynch as it is. I am interested in the fact that nutella did not vote. JJJ, scotty, and others what do you think of nutella in light of BR's flip, is she the next place to look or are others still suspect.

Lol Cobalt, yeah no one thinks your LC's teammate now I think. But could there be more than one corrupted teammate...

This is Hedgeowl's most recent post, coming during Night 7. This is the part I find most suspicious. Hedgeowl said she was going out of town for 10 days, but look at the other parts of this scenario.

• - Black Rock is lynched Day 7, and Team Wildhorn missed the Night 8 kill.
  - Black Rock and Long Con have both been lynched, possibly disheartening a mafia team to have multiple excellent teammates go down.
  - Hedgeowl says she will be out of town and will have internet, but has not posted since then.

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Grr I just did a whole analysis post about Hedgeowl and it got deleted. I'm too tired to do it again.
It's ok though, because here's the short gist of her:
-She has only 37 posts, which is quite minimal for someone still [actively] playing the game.
-but she has been constantly "catching up". I legit feel her frustration of continually having to comb through 10 pages every day for the past few gamedays, and how she's felt absent.
-She has voted not terribly so far. She did miss Day 2 vote, even though she was around and could have voted. I don't think it's that suspicious, since she picked it back up every day thereafter (except for the Tiny night). She missed a few night polls as well, so this also seems like a genuine busy-ness. Her vote off the G-man lynch felt justified with her self-proclaimed ideology of players bandwagoning only if they has a reason.
-I feel like she reads as a backdoor civ- she hasn't shared a lot of original suspicions, but also doesn't always go with the crowd on voting.

Hedge, I hope as the thread gets lighter that you come around more.
Can you give me 3 people you might suspect right now and maybe a little bit why?

I officially endorse your analysis, although that of course means diddlysquat. I am just too busy irl and at night so tired that it's no longer fun to catch up constantly, so eventually I give up and go to sleep. I am going on vacation for 10 days tomorrow in rural Wisconsin. I have been told we have internet, but will be with a ton of family. Granted my participation cant get much worse at this point. As for suspects, I still have nutella on my list, but saw JJJ say she defended herself well, so need to check that out. Otherwise, I havent taken the time to anayze the votes as I like to do, not that we have lynched several baddies, but thats where I like to start in my analsysis usually.

I think Hedgeowl could be a member of Team Wildhorn.

[Marmot]

And please somebody come in here and say something.

yes, will address them asap

ASAP =? at some alternative point

[Epignosis]

I have a more nuanced take, since you've raised this particular post:

Hedgeowl - if several people ended up voting for LC or SVS today, would you consider that there seemed to be good reasons for that, or are you saying that you find the reasons to suspect LC and SVS unconvincing?

Oh I am not saying that. Did I say that? I was commenting on the earlier discussion about newbies, which SVS and LC are not. I am sympathetic to LC because of Epi's accusation around the word "interesting" but that's more because I am someone who overuses this word in life. I do find SVS' defense interesting (!) however. I would not say I am ready to vote based on any of this yet though. Mostly, I think there been a lot of huffing and puffing and MP's redonkulous rainbow list aside ( ), not much noteworthy in 5 pages that took me too long to read, so I agree with Epi there. I will say so far he reads like civ Epi to me, and I can never tell very well with LC.

what are ISOs that everyone is mentioning? I assume not In Search Of...

First underlining: What exactly is Hedgeowl agreeing with me about here?

Second underlining: Hedgeowl and Long Con have played six times here together (not counting Omerta, in which Hedgeowl was an independent). Fight Club and Monopoly were not typical Mafia experiences.

Hedgeowl was a secret recruiter role in Dr. Who- no real need to figure much out with Long Con.

In Cars, Hedgeowl was good and Long Con was bad, but Hedgeowl had five living posts the entire game.

In the Game of Champions, Hedgeowl never voted, and I don't think she even posted once (in fact, she got lynched because her role took cumulative votes every Day unless she used her Night action, which she never did). Note that there is no "link" next to her name.

Monty Python is the only game in which is could be said Hedgeowl and Long Con spent any "time" together.

So my question: What experience with Long Con compels Hedge to say, "I can never tell very well with LC?"

[fingersplints]

And please somebody come in here and say something.

yes, will address them asap

ASAP =? at some alternative point

Um as soon as possible

Hopefully am at my computer soon, or else will have to try and address it all on phone.

[Golden]

A summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) attempts to nightkill Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) attempts to nightkill Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bass survives a kill from Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn)?
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - Scotty is nightkilled by an unknown force. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.


Having potentially missed two nightkills, Team Wildhorn looks like a couple of inactives. Their last kill came when Black Rock was still alive.

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

This is actually really interesting. Could Bass have let team Wildhorn make up for the missed kill on night 4 by attempting a kill on night 5? Could the 'unknown force' be Jekyll and Hyde? It will be interesting to see how that develops. If the unknown force isn't team wildhorn, it might point to Bubbles being jekyll (anyone been able to disprove that yet? It should be very easy to do...) and someone like Neverwhere or Hedgeowl who was active for a good chunk of the game being B & C.

[Golden]

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

What confuses me more about Team Wildhorn's missed kills is that I believe that it seems to me that Jekyll & Hyde has still been targeting players.

Are you suggesting that you do not believe bubbles is jekyll? I've been trying to figure this one out for ages.

[Golden]

I am very much liking the cases MM and Epi have brought on hedgeowl.

If I understand MM correctly, hedge could not be jekyll? Because jekyll is active?

In which case, it should also be possible to test if hedge is B & C by way of checking when she left and not been back since. (I tend to think the unknown force could be Mr Hyde? So I'm not assuming wildhorn missed a kill - but I could well be wrong about that, I understand why 'unknown force' might sound more like a civilian ninja or independent role).

[Golden]

It's worth noting JJ voted for DF, possibly to let us know he was silenced (in case it wouldn't have been otherwise quite obvious).

[Epignosis]

At this point, I will repeat my vote from the previous Day or I will vote Hedgeowl.

[Golden]

Damnit, I just lost a big post I did on splints.

It amounted to - not on team webber, posts could suggest she is on team wildhorn (Cobalt more suspicious than LC, G-Man more suspicious than LC), she would have had to have thrown BR under the bus, but the wording of her posts around that are soft and sound to me like the kind of things splints might say if she had BR's permission to vote her out. BR knew she was going down anyway.

However, I didn't find the evidence overwhelming - convincing enough that it is possible. Less convincing than the hedgeowl case.

[Golden]

I just read DF back, and I no longer think he could be on team webber. He was one of the first people to agree with my case on TGG, and was pretty consistent about it. Even before G-Man subbed in.

I also do not think he could be on team wildhorn with either FS or hedge, because those happen to have been two of his more consistent suspects. His voting for BR looks good too. I think he could be on team wildhorn, but I'd have him below splints and hedge on my radar, and I'm trying to figure out who is on team webber! Where are Webber and the Phantom hiding?

[Marmot]

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

What confuses me more about Team Wildhorn's missed kills is that I believe that it seems to me that Jekyll & Hyde has still been targeting players.

Are you suggesting that you do not believe bubbles is jekyll? I've been trying to figure this one out for ages.

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong, but, for example, SVS has voted nijuu each of the last three days (including very early on today) which does line up with Jekyll and Hyde's role, and with the way things look, makes nijuu a likely target for J&H. I won't dismiss the TinyBubbles being Jekyll theory, because I understand that if it's true, someone else must be the real Sweeney Todd, and that is still a possibility. I just think that, regardless of my early theory of the LC/TB relationship, that TinyBubbles is a civilian. Also of note, Sweeney Todd gets one nightkill in the game. The fact that G-Man was not nightkilled before his lynch leads me to believe that Sweeney Todd is either an inactive player, or a relatively new player like TinyBubbles who may not feel comfortable pulling the trigger on a nightkill.

I am very much liking the cases MM and Epi have brought on hedgeowl.

If I understand MM correctly, hedge could not be jekyll? Because jekyll is active?

In which case, it should also be possible to test if hedge is B & C by way of checking when she left and not been back since. (I tend to think the unknown force could be Mr Hyde? So I'm not assuming wildhorn missed a kill - but I could well be wrong about that, I understand why 'unknown force' might sound more like a civilian ninja or independent role).

All of the baddies' kills so far have had some obvious flavor to them. Thus, I am more inclined to believe that the kill of Scotty did not come from a baddie team, nor may have it even come from another player. It could even have been role-related on his part.

I just read DF back, and I no longer think he could be on team webber. He was one of the first people to agree with my case on TGG, and was pretty consistent about it. Even before G-Man subbed in.

I also do not think he could be on team wildhorn with either FS or hedge, because those happen to have been two of his more consistent suspects. His voting for BR looks good too. I think he could be on team wildhorn, but I'd have him below splints and hedge on my radar, and I'm trying to figure out who is on team webber! Where are Webber and the Phantom hiding?

Not to discredit DF too much, but TGG left on weird terms, and may even had suggested to his teammates to throw him under the bus.

[Marmot]

And please somebody come in here and say something.

yes, will address them asap

ASAP =? at some alternative point

Um as soon as possible

Hopefully am at my computer soon, or else will have to try and address it all on phone.

I didn't mean to press you. I just saw you say you were going to address them ASAP, and then we didn't hear from you.

[Golden]

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,

What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

I thought it might have been epi when he voted for devin, but he has essentially denied that to be the case.

SVS pursuit of ninja might fall into this category, though. But, it depends how much each individual really wants to pursue it day after day. I, for one, did not want to push someone I didn't think was bad day after day, so I didn't. If it means I have +1 votes against me each day, so be it.

[Golden]

Not to discredit DF too much, but TGG left on weird terms, and may even had suggested to his teammates to throw him under the bus.

TGG very delicately made his quit about his internet issues...

He created sufficient cover that he would not have ordinarily have taken heat for it...

The fact he left on 'weird terms' only became apparent later because of things he said in other places, so I don't think it was ever his intent that his teammates bussed him.

[Epignosis]

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,

What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

I thought it might have been epi when he voted for devin, but he has essentially denied that to be the case.

SVS pursuit of ninja might fall into this category, though. But, it depends how much each individual really wants to pursue it day after day. I, for one, did not want to push someone I didn't think was bad day after day, so I didn't. If it means I have +1 votes against me each day, so be it.

So shouldn't you be needing someone's vote to save you?

[Golden]

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,

What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

I thought it might have been epi when he voted for devin, but he has essentially denied that to be the case.

SVS pursuit of ninja might fall into this category, though. But, it depends how much each individual really wants to pursue it day after day. I, for one, did not want to push someone I didn't think was bad day after day, so I didn't. If it means I have +1 votes against me each day, so be it.

So shouldn't you be needing someone's vote to save you?

If everyone else only got one vote in a day, then sure? We aren't talking about Simon the Zealot, here.

[Marmot]

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,

What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

That would probably be looked at as info-dumping, so we can only observe and guess.

[Epignosis]

Tell you what I'm going to do.

Sit back.

Drink a bunch of Mexican imports while enjoying some Tex-Mex pork fresh off the grill.

Hold onto my vote.

And make sure there isn't a tie.

[Golden]

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong,

What I really want is someone who can say 'I was targetted by Jekyll'.

That would probably be looked at as info-dumping, so we can only observe and guess.

Well, I don't mean outright.

[Golden]

And I really don't think it's info dumping to say you've been targetted, otherwise could we not confirm we had been silenced?

[Marmot]

And I really don't think it's info dumping to say you've been targetted, otherwise could we not confirm we had been silenced?

It's worth asking I guess. Actually, since claiming role abilities is legal in this game (whether you lie or not), maybe that is allowed as well?

Dom, are players permitted to reveal when they are targetted by a power and what the power did?

At least silencing is pretty evident. Jekyll & Hyde's power not so much.

[Golden]

And I really don't think it's info dumping to say you've been targetted, otherwise could we not confirm we had been silenced?

It's worth asking I guess. Actually, since claiming role abilities is legal in this game (whether you lie or not), maybe that is allowed as well?

Dom, are players permitted to reveal when they are targetted by a power and what the power did?

At least silencing is pretty evident. Jekyll & Hyde's power not so much.

It can be reasonably evident, depending on how it is played. I think it was evident when I was targetted.

[Marmot]

And I really don't think it's info dumping to say you've been targetted, otherwise could we not confirm we had been silenced?

It's worth asking I guess. Actually, since claiming role abilities is legal in this game (whether you lie or not), maybe that is allowed as well?

Dom, are players permitted to reveal when they are targetted by a power and what the power did?

At least silencing is pretty evident. Jekyll & Hyde's power not so much.

It can be reasonably evident, depending on how it is played. I think it was evident when I was targetted.

Ditto.

[Golden]

OK, I've read nutella back.

I don't think she is on team wildhorn, but she isn't a bad candidate for being on team webber.

She really reads civilian to me. When I read her posts, the vibe I get is that of a civ. She even posted a rainbow.

But the most sincere of her scum hunting does feel like it was people who were not on team one (eg LC). She equivocated a lot around the sig lynch, a lot of 'he is on my suspicious list, I might vote for him'. Her posts around G-Man similarly seemed less about being convinced he was bad and more about how annoying his posts were.

It's a very low suspicion for me - her posts really read civ to me, but having gone back through I can't really make a strong case for why she couldn't be on team webber.

[Marmot]

OK, I've read nutella back.

I don't think she is on team wildhorn, but she isn't a bad candidate for being on team webber.

She really reads civilian to me. When I read her posts, the vibe I get is that of a civ. She even posted a rainbow.

But the most sincere of her scum hunting does feel like it was people who were not on team one (eg LC). She equivocated a lot around the sig lynch, a lot of 'he is on my suspicious list, I might vote for him'. Her posts around G-Man similarly seemed less about being convinced he was bad and more about how annoying his posts were.

It's a very low suspicion for me - her posts really read civ to me, but having gone back through I can't really make a strong case for why she couldn't be on team webber.

What would be worth looking at (and I plan to do it to), I remember some folks speculating whether Sloonei was a corrupted Wildhorn. Whoever introduced that to the thread or latched onto it would be worth looking at. I feel like that came around the time of the sig lynch, and thus, right around the night Sloonei survived the nightkill from sig's team.

[Golden]

OK, I've read nutella back.

I don't think she is on team wildhorn, but she isn't a bad candidate for being on team webber.

She really reads civilian to me. When I read her posts, the vibe I get is that of a civ. She even posted a rainbow.

But the most sincere of her scum hunting does feel like it was people who were not on team one (eg LC). She equivocated a lot around the sig lynch, a lot of 'he is on my suspicious list, I might vote for him'. Her posts around G-Man similarly seemed less about being convinced he was bad and more about how annoying his posts were.

It's a very low suspicion for me - her posts really read civ to me, but having gone back through I can't really make a strong case for why she couldn't be on team webber.

What would be worth looking at (and I plan to do it to), I remember some folks speculating whether Sloonei was a corrupted Wildhorn. Whoever introduced that to the thread or latched onto it would be worth looking at. I feel like that came around the time of the sig lynch, and thus, right around the night Sloonei survived the nightkill from sig's team.

I feel it was FZ - I could be wrong, but I was quite suspicious of FZ for having this perspective. I'm not sure if there is any baddie she could legitimately be at this point, though.

Definitely worth checking out.

[Marmot]

Oh, and are there any posts in particular that stand out to you Golden with regards to nutella? What do you think of the Singer going after nutella early on, but backing off from her lately?

Linki: well yes, it certainly wouldn't be FZ with her being nightkilled by that team.

[nutella]

Oh wow the case on Hedge is a really really strong one. I think she and splints are both very likely to be on wildhorn. So I'll vote for one of them but I'll wait to see if splints comes back to defend. (Or Hedge too but she seems not to be around?)

Golden, I'm not on team webber. I was highly suspicious of both Sig and Gman by the time each was lynched, and I was fairly vocal about it. For Sig, I may have been on the late side to get to the actual vote, but I had been repeating his name as a suspect for a long time -- I think I was one of the first people to tag onto the case someone (sloonei?) initially made and encouraged pursuing him for a while. For G-man, at first he was just annoying but by the day LC was lynched I was fully convinced that both were bad and wanted to lynch both asap.