Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Ricochet]

Is everyone ok with me covering tomorrow, May 11, 5:49AM?

[Marmot]

So say we all!

SO SAY WE ALL (love ice cream)

So Say We All.


So, Ricochet's face was on the top as well. Does this mean that he was voted to be NK'ed along with Ika?

Didn't Golden already say that the stories weren't to be taken at face value

LC: If you would have been online in time, would you have offered the next scheduled spot or picked one of your own?

The only way I would have done either of those things would be if I were convinced that neither Metalmarsh nor anyone else was there to do it on time... and I would have done the next scheduled square.

So, Metalmarsh went off the schedule and voted for E3 without notice. Indiglo, Scotty, Ricochet, sig, I am interested to know what you think of that, since the four of you lost your cool a little when I went off the expected plan.

Thank you early bird S~V~S for hitting up that 5:49am timeslot so awesomely. Who is up for 11:49, in exactly two and a half hours?

I voiced my plan almost 12 hours beforehand, so everyone had plenty of time to disagree with it if they wanted to.

Linki: NO!

[Ricochet]

I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?

I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.

[Marmot]

Just kidding Rico, go for it. :P

[Ricochet]

frak u

[Silverwolf]

LoRab-it isn't that I didn't like your post. I thought it was a very nice reachout. I just can't trust everyone here has the agenda to help me figure out how to play the game better. Also, the very definition of Mafia is uninformed majority vs informed minority with the possibility of multiball-more than one scumteam or an independent killer like a SK or 3rd party role with a different wincon or even a traitor-has a wincon with scum but they don't know who this person is and they don't share BTSC. But the bottom line is, it is extremely difficult for me to play a game where the very definition of Mafia is not in place. I will do my best but it will include traditional scumhunting.

linki-Here ya go Rico, I left the whole post in tact:

If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

[Ricochet]

So, Metalmarsh went off the schedule and voted for E3 without notice. Indiglo, Scotty, Ricochet, sig, I am interested to know what you think of that, since the four of you lost your cool a little when I went off the expected plan.

Oh, I totally missed this.

Lynch the marmot.

[Silverwolf]

Is everyone ok with me covering tomorrow, May 11, 5:49AM?

This is fine with me. Is there any more coverage needed? I can take some if so.

[LoRab]

I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?

I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.

Thanks!

[Ricochet]

linki-Here ya go Rico, I left the whole post in tact:

If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

Yep, that's tongue-in-cheek, due to ika going semantic between "scum" and "mafia". Not my fault for that and not my implication.

Is everyone ok with me covering tomorrow, May 11, 5:49AM?

This is fine with me. Is there any more coverage needed? I can take some if so.

I think my shift was the last to be booked, chronologically. We can expand to May 12 and further, but I will definitely not be able to commit after tomorrow and I sure hope we do blow up the RezHub until I get back from business (on Monday).

[Marmot]

LoRab-it isn't that I didn't like your post. I thought it was a very nice reachout. I just can't trust everyone here has the agenda to help me figure out how to play the game better. Also, the very definition of Mafia is uninformed majority vs informed minority with the possibility of multiball-more than one scumteam or an independent killer like a SK or 3rd party role with a different wincon or even a traitor-has a wincon with scum but they don't know who this person is and they don't share BTSC. But the bottom line is, it is extremely difficult for me to play a game where the very definition of Mafia is not in place. I will do my best but it will include traditional scumhunting.

linki-Here ya go Rico, I left the whole post in tact:

If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

I understand if you can't trust everyone, but I hope you can find 1 or 2 players you feel you can trust.

[Silverwolf]

OK, So ika's main point was cylons are bad and that Epi was bad. Break it down, and that's what he was saying. So are we really gonna discount the fact that he could of died because of this or discuss why he did die besides the obvious fact that he was the most vocal town voice here?

Time to go recheck my list.

[Silverwolf]

I understand if you can't trust everyone, but I hope you can find 1 or 2 players you feel you can trust.

I trusted ika.

[LoRab]

LoRab-it isn't that I didn't like your post. I thought it was a very nice reachout. I just can't trust everyone here has the agenda to help me figure out how to play the game better. Also, the very definition of Mafia is uninformed majority vs informed minority with the possibility of multiball-more than one scumteam or an independent killer like a SK or 3rd party role with a different wincon or even a traitor-has a wincon with scum but they don't know who this person is and they don't share BTSC. But the bottom line is, it is extremely difficult for me to play a game where the very definition of Mafia is not in place. I will do my best but it will include traditional scumhunting.

linki-Here ya go Rico, I left the whole post in tact:

If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

And (back to semantics), we are working from different definitions of the game. I think it was LC who came up with the tag line for The Piano of "creative mafia gaming." I am fully confident that you'll develop your process of how to play different versions of the game.

[Marmot]

I understand if you can't trust everyone, but I hope you can find 1 or 2 players you feel you can trust.

I trusted ika.

Well, not much we can do about that.

[Ricochet]

Then again, I see that indiglo didn't have a problem with MetalMarsh89 jumping to E3?

Indi, can you clarify, when you read this, if MM's E3 check was part of a pattern established earlier or random do-what-I-want tier?

[Marmot]

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

As far as I know, it doesn't matter where we go as long as we stick to the checkerboard grid and the authorized missionary is the one who sends the sortie.

[Silverwolf]

I understand if you can't trust everyone, but I hope you can find 1 or 2 players you feel you can trust.

I trusted ika.

Well, not much we can do about that.

I know.

[Long Con]

So here's a list of who is Good and who is Bad, based on the show.

Admiral William Adama – GOOD

President Laura Roslin – GOOD *Roslin's prophecies are interesting, this seems to be an info role, and could be very important to figuring out the game.

Kara ‘Starbuck’ Thrace – GOOD *"cannot be resurrected" - she's not a Cylon, and yet Goldama felt it necessary to let us know this. Apparently humans have the option of being resurrected somehow as well... just not Starbuck. Just as well. They totally messed up her story arc by the end of the series with a confusing and too-weird storyline.

Gaius Baltar – NEUTRAL/INDY?

Lee 'Apollo' Adama - GOOD

Saul Tigh – GOOD *Who is silenced today?

Galen Tyrol – GOOD

Karl ‘Helo’ Agathon – GOOD *This guy could surprise us one day when someone with second-most votes gets lynched. We should watch the second-most-voted as we place our votes... just in case.

Felix Gaeta - BAD BAD BAD

Anastasia 'Dee' Dualla - GOOD *Ika was probably a Cylon because he died and Dee is still alive.

Cally Henderson -GOOD

Sam Anders – GOOD

Lou ‘Kat’ Katraine – GOOD

Brendon ‘Hot Dog’ Costanza – GOOD *Host, will we know that the kill rebounded? Or will it just look like a kill on the new target was intended?

Doc Cottle – GOOD

Billy Keikeya - GOOD

Tom Zarek - NEUTRAL/INDY? BAD? MAYBE GOOD???

Ellen Tigh - GOOD

Tory Foster – BAD

Romo Lampkin – GOOD

John Cavil (number one) - BAD

Leoben Conoy (number two) - BAD

D’Anna Biers (number three) - BAD

Simon O’Neill (number four) - BAD

Aaron Doral (number five) - BAD

Caprica Six (number six) – NEUTRAL/INDY?

Sharon ‘Boomer’ Valerii (number eight) - BAD

Sharon ‘Athena’ Agathon (number eight) – GOOD

[secret role] Might be human. Might be cylon. Might be stationed on Galactica. Might not. Who really knows. WHO REALLY KNOWS?

[Long Con]

Thanks MM, I see that you cleared the E3 vote 12 hours ago. You're respectable, I'm detestable.

[Silverwolf]

*Ika was probably a Cylon

No

[Silverwolf]

As soon as the res ship is destroyed I'm vote parking Epi until he's lynched. If he's never lynched, then I will say who else I think is scum, and give reads but I will never move off Epi as long as he's still in the game. You guys can lynch me if you don't like this.

[Epignosis]

So say we all!

Epi's attitude towards me was classic bad Epi from Turf Wars.

I don't know how you have the experience with me to make this statement. How does what I did in one game become "classic?"

As soon as the res ship is destroyed I'm vote parking Epi until he's lynched. If he's never lynched, then I will say who else I think is scum, and give reads but I will never move off Epi as long as he's still in the game. You guys can lynch me if you don't like this.

I hope I can persuade you to reconsider before then, because this is merely an announcement that you are comfortable wasting your vote rather than using it to rid yourself of the company of killers.

[Ricochet]

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

As far as I know, it doesn't matter where we go as long as we stick to the checkerboard grid and the authorized missionary is the one who sends the sortie.

If we stick with the checkerboard, but start making random moves within that pattern, it's no longer a pattern. It's a pretense of a pattern.

We need pattern to avoid a baddie missionary messing up with us.

Saying "as long as I put a dot anywhere within a circle, it's ok" is not ok. Because the keyword is "anywhere" aka random.

[Ricochet]

I agree with Long Con's walkthrough, except he maybe hates Felix Gaeta tad too much. Felix becomes mutinous very late in the show. I have no idea how to interpret Leoben, once his story gets linked with Starbuck, but originally he was villanous.

Theories on secret role so far have been The Hybrid (Matt said it). I could even add Cylon number 7, which was entirely decomissioned in the series. It would be quite bold on the Host's behalf to design a Cylon that has no basis in the show.

[Marmot]

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

As far as I know, it doesn't matter where we go as long as we stick to the checkerboard grid and the authorized missionary is the one who sends the sortie.

If we stick with the checkerboard, but start making random moves within that pattern, it's no longer a pattern. It's a pretense of a pattern.

We need pattern to avoid a baddie missionary messing up with us.

Saying "as long as I put a dot anywhere within a circle, it's ok" is not ok. Because the keyword is "anywhere" aka random.

Yeah ok.

Do you think that sticking to the pattern of going every other sector (the underlined ones), row-by-row has a better chance of finding the rezz ship than randomly picking a sector (from the underlined ones)? Otherwise, I don't see your point.

I never called my method a pattern either.

[Marmot]

Thanks MM, I see that you cleared the E3 vote 12 hours ago. You're respectable, I'm detestable.

Clearly.

[S~V~S]

@ SVS

Your mission this morning, should you choose to accept it is to send Kat and Hot Dog on a sortie at 5:49am EST. If you choose to continue our original checkerboard pattern, go with sector B2.


You also have many other sector options. Take a look at the grid below, you may choose a random sector that tickles or fancy, or start a diagonal off one of the other blue sectors.

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

@Rico~ when Indi posted this she said pattern or not as we please. I went with the pattern, but if any of the sectors was an "8" I might have deviated. Deviation will keep it from being predictable if the cylons know where the ship is. I thought we worked this out yesterday?

[Marmot]

I'll be gone in Portland all day today. I'm going to see Dream Theater tonight.

Catch you all tomorrow.

[S~V~S]

ebwop, also I can take 5:49 AM posts most weekdays. I would know the night before if I can't.

[sig]

OK, So ika's main point was cylons are bad and that Epi was bad. Break it down, and that's what he was saying. So are we really gonna discount the fact that he could of died because of this or discuss why he did die besides the obvious fact that he was the most vocal town voice here?

Time to go recheck my list.

But, is there a point in lynching Epi again if he can just be revived? Shouldn't we hunt for someone else at this time?

A new law has been enacted by the President of the Colonies:

Ika Conscription Act: Ika has been conscripted into service and will be required to vote as per the orders of the Admiral.

Dead people do not get to participate in democracy.

Golden, this game is confusing enough as it is, but when you do things like this, I'm gonna go crazy. These posts were posted after ika died so WTF?

My understanding for this is that the President of the Colonies made a law saying whoever died N1 needs to vote for whoever the Admiral wants, so basically the admiral has an extra vote.


Also who created this pattern we are following? How do we know they aren't mafia.

[Marmot]

How do we know there is a mafia? :P

[sig]

How do we know there is a mafia? :P

The cylons are the mafia, I highly doubt golden would make a game without a mafia.

[Vompatti]

How do we know there is a mafia? :P

The cylons are the mafia, I highly doubt golden would make a game without a mafia.

What makes you think the cylons, as opposed to the humans, are the mafia?

[Long Con]

My understanding for this is that the President of the Colonies made a law saying whoever died N1 needs to vote for whoever the Admiral wants, so basically the admiral has an extra vote.

My understanding is that the President didn't know ika was going to die, and thus made a law to try and control him in some way. The Admiral will most likely not receive an extra vote because ika died.

Also who created this pattern we are following? How do we know they aren't mafia.

And when I went off-pattern, you called me a Cylon.

You are bad. If I had to vote right now, I would vote for you.

[Nerolunar]

6 pages to go Im right in that Rico/Ika debate

[Marmot]

Rico + ika = Rik\o/chet!

[Long Con]

6 pages to go Im right in that Rico/Ika debate

*prepares a stiff drink for Nero*

[indiglo]

So say we all! (Just in case, I'm not caught up.)

Golden, can we please search~

B2

Good work! Up next, in approximately 47 minutes...

11:49am EST - JULIETS

Here is a map, my dear, fire at will!


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6



Also, here's the updated schedule:

>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2

May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets
May 10, 5:49 pm EST -
May 10, 11:49 pm EST -
May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico


We have a couple of openings there today. If no one else volunteers, I can cover them I believe, without a problem.

[Vompatti]

I wouldn't mind covering them openings if you know what I mean.

[Silverwolf]

I can take one of them too if needed indiglo. Just let me know.

[indiglo]

Replying as I catch up...

@ LoRab, Re Final 5 - I'd love for others who watch the show to chime in with their thoughts too on this. My stance on the Final 5 is this: In the show (I'll try to avoid spoilers as best I can) there were some humans who were high ranking, well trusted members of the human race. Some had worked together for decades, and were basically family, after being through so much together. Some of these beloved humans later find out they were Cylons. IIRC, none of them betrayed the human race or cause. (That one I'll have to review, but I'm pretty sure that is true.) They each had a decision to make, though. Fight with the bad Cylons, or fight with their human comrades. They chose to fight with their human comrades.

So my guess is that those humans who will become the Final 5 in this game (which I'm guessing may be an event triggered by something that happens in thread?) will also have a choice. They may be able to decide to join the bad Cylons, or stick with the humans.



I want to read more on the wiki when I have time, just to remind me of some of the nuances. As Rico said, as the show progressed it became extremely nuanced, and became much harder to label everyone bad or good. Though some of the Cylons remained evil throughout. At one point, there was heated disagreement between the Cylons themselves as to what direction to take, as well.

[juliets]

I'm here but i'm not caught up. Where should i send the sortie? Did someone start a diagonal?

[juliets]

ok i see it i'll go to c3.

[indiglo]

So say we all!

SO SAY WE ALL (love ice cream)

So Say We All.


So, Ricochet's face was on the top as well. Does this mean that he was voted to be NK'ed along with Ika?

Didn't Golden already say that the stories weren't to be taken at face value

LC: If you would have been online in time, would you have offered the next scheduled spot or picked one of your own?

The only way I would have done either of those things would be if I were convinced that neither Metalmarsh nor anyone else was there to do it on time... and I would have done the next scheduled square.

So, Metalmarsh went off the schedule and voted for E3 without notice. Indiglo, Scotty, Ricochet, sig, I am interested to know what you think of that, since the four of you lost your cool a little when I went off the expected plan.

Thank you early bird S~V~S for hitting up that 5:49am timeslot so awesomely. Who is up for 11:49, in exactly two and a half hours?

How I feel about Marmot's square choice should be patently obvious, after I told him "BOSS SORTIE SENDING MARMOT". It was awesome, and I loved his reasoning for choosing that sector. He was scheduled to cover a sortie, and he covered it perfectly.

[indiglo]

Is everyone ok with me covering tomorrow, May 11, 5:49AM?

I am, if everyone else is. I added you to the schedule but forgot to post about it.

[indiglo]

Then again, I see that indiglo didn't have a problem with MetalMarsh89 jumping to E3?

Indi, can you clarify, when you read this, if MM's E3 check was part of a pattern established earlier or random do-what-I-want tier?

It was Marmot choosing a random square, iirc. By that time, we had discussed so many options, and no one wanted to only stick with the straight checkerboarding, for fear that was a manipulation. So my thinking was we'd come to a consensus on another pattern - like diagonals, for example. Marmot stuck to the original checkerboard pattern, just did a rando sector on it.

It didn't feel like dicking around to me, so I'm cool with it. Did it bother you? Do you think it would be better for us to stick to a definite pattern? (Such as diagonals along the checkerboard?)

[indiglo]

I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?

I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.

I appreciate this Final 5 talk. 4:1 ratio is pretty good.

[Long Con]

Replying as I catch up...

@ LoRab, Re Final 5 - I'd love for others who watch the show to chime in with their thoughts too on this. My stance on the Final 5 is this: In the show (I'll try to avoid spoilers as best I can) there were some humans who were high ranking, well trusted members of the human race. Some had worked together for decades, and were basically family, after being through so much together. Some of these beloved humans later find out they were Cylons. IIRC, none of them betrayed the human race or cause. (That one I'll have to review, but I'm pretty sure that is true.) They each had a decision to make, though. Fight with the bad Cylons, or fight with their human comrades. They chose to fight with their human comrades.

So my guess is that those humans who will become the Final 5 in this game (which I'm guessing may be an event triggered by something that happens in thread?) will also have a choice. They may be able to decide to join the bad Cylons, or stick with the humans.

I want to read more on the wiki when I have time, just to remind me of some of the nuances. As Rico said, as the show progressed it became extremely nuanced, and became much harder to label everyone bad or good. Though some of the Cylons remained evil throughout. At one point, there was heated disagreement between the Cylons themselves as to what direction to take, as well.

That reminds me - I labelled Tory as BAD because she was the one Final Five that sided against the humans, BUT the fact that she is not necessarily Final Five in this game makes that alignment analysis less sturdy.

[indiglo]

ok i see it i'll go to c3.

Hello!

You're scheduled for:

May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets

So, if you can, post again in just a few minutes.

And sorry for posting so much around your sortie time. I just realized that.