Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Tangrowth]

I'm absolutely confident that I've caught MM in a lie, and I'd like to see him lynched.

If he does flip civvie, I'll be 1,000,000 times more shocked than I was when JC 1.0 got lynched.

You didn't seem surprised when juliets flipped civ.


Linki:

I was surprised.

Why are you giving me the evil eye? You said prove whenever you said I was bad, and I just did. Twice.

[Roxy]

The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still Cyber

[Epignosis]

The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

I disagree?

Why the question mark?

Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?

[Hedgeowl]

I would think Made, if he were Emperor Dalek, would still not want to be lynched, and thus exposed as that role to the more suspicious of us. A save of him to keep his cover makes sense.

Good point. I suppose in that sense a save could still potentially make sense.

It makes lots of sense, actually.

This is totally baseless though -- what reason do we even have to think Made is Emperor Dalek?

Because I suggested it and people believe everything I say.

Made still hasn't voted against Enrique.

can you tell me where you suggested it? Searching dalek and emperor was useless so far in your posts.

[Epignosis]

The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still Cyber

I hope I live. I would like to expose you.

[Tangrowth]

The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still Cyber

That's why I said "and MM is a Dalek", adding it as an assumption.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced he's bad. Epig 2.0 could be too, but I'd rather see MM flip.

[Marmot]

The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

I disagree?

Why the question mark?

Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?

Then I hope you are laughing as much as I am right now?

[keys56000000000]

Sorry about the tied vote, guys. I thought poll ended 11:30est.

[Tangrowth]

I don't mean to pester, but the answer to this is essential to knowing whether I should go back to work now or later:

Hosts: Do you know if we are we getting a post now, at this lynch's (new) end, or closer to 11:30PM EST, like normal?

[Marmot]

That's why I said "and MM is a Dalek", adding it as an assumption.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced he's bad. Epig 2.0 could be too, but I'd rather see MM flip.

Are you pretty convinced or totally convinced or kinda convinced or what?

These are the same silly arguments you are making against me.

[Epignosis]

I would think Made, if he were Emperor Dalek, would still not want to be lynched, and thus exposed as that role to the more suspicious of us. A save of him to keep his cover makes sense.

Good point. I suppose in that sense a save could still potentially make sense.

It makes lots of sense, actually.

This is totally baseless though -- what reason do we even have to think Made is Emperor Dalek?

Because I suggested it and people believe everything I say.

Made still hasn't voted against Enrique.

can you tell me where you suggested it? Searching dalek and emperor was useless so far in your posts.

You got it:

Here and here.

And TH was more explicit about the possibility before I posted what's in the second link:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 893#p88893

[bea]

Waiting on my ride then I hafta pick up dinner then I will get. The.poll together. Sorry for the.delay. - I'm shooting foe the middle MP. We are trying to gradulally float things back to that 11:30 est time.

[Epignosis]

The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

I disagree?

Why the question mark?

Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?

Then I hope you are laughing as much as I am right now?

I probably am.

[Roxy]

Oh I am sure you will live Epi - didn't you recruit players for this game too?

[Tangrowth]

That's why I said "and MM is a Dalek", adding it as an assumption.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced he's bad. Epig 2.0 could be too, but I'd rather see MM flip.

Are you pretty convinced or totally convinced or kinda convinced or what?

These are the same silly arguments you are making against me.

I'm "pretty convinced" is not an argument. It's a statement of fact.

These are arguments as to why I believe you're bad:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 053#p90053
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 840#p89840
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 786#p89786

Just to name a few.

They state reasons. Your only reasons for suspecting I'm bad lie in Enrique's post suddenly accusing me before his death, after defending me all game. You lump me with Dana, whom you had prior suspicions of, then dropped, then conveniently brought back up.

Consequently, if Dana is a Dalek and the 4th teammate is inactive, that flies completely in the face with your ONLY argument as to why I'm bad. Seriously, you have not given any other actual tangible argument for me being bad.

Therefore, I have absolute reason to believe your feelings against me are fabricated.

Linki: thanks, bea! On that note, going to see what else I can accomplish tonight, see you folks later!

[Epignosis]

Oh I am sure you will live Epi - didn't you recruit players for this game too?

I recruited one.

In case I die, I reread you twice today. You are disingenuous as hell. You don't actually believe in your case against me. If I live, I will demonstrate that.

[Hedgeowl]

I would think Made, if he were Emperor Dalek, would still not want to be lynched, and thus exposed as that role to the more suspicious of us. A save of him to keep his cover makes sense.

Good point. I suppose in that sense a save could still potentially make sense.

It makes lots of sense, actually.

This is totally baseless though -- what reason do we even have to think Made is Emperor Dalek?

Because I suggested it and people believe everything I say.

Made still hasn't voted against Enrique.

can you tell me where you suggested it? Searching dalek and emperor was useless so far in your posts.

You got it:

Here and here.

And TH was more explicit about the possibility before I posted what's in the second link:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 893#p88893

Great, thank you. Ok, this makes more sense with what i was finding. I kept thinking I was missing anither post.

[Marmot]

That's why I said "and MM is a Dalek", adding it as an assumption.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced he's bad. Epig 2.0 could be too, but I'd rather see MM flip.

Are you pretty convinced or totally convinced or kinda convinced or what?

These are the same silly arguments you are making against me.

I'm "pretty convinced" is not an argument. It's a statement of fact.

These are arguments as to why I believe you're bad:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 053#p90053
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 840#p89840
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 786#p89786

Just to name a few.

They state reasons. Your only reasons for suspecting I'm bad lie in Enrique's post suddenly accusing me before his death, after defending me all game. You lump me with Dana, whom you had prior suspicions of, then dropped, then conveniently brought back up.

Consequently, if Dana is a Dalek and the 4th teammate is inactive, that flies completely in the face with your ONLY argument as to why I'm bad. Seriously, you have not given any other actual tangible argument for me being bad.

Therefore, I have absolute reason to believe your feelings against me are fabricated.

Linki: thanks, bea! On that note, going to see what else I can accomplish tonight, see you folks later!

I'm not trying to prove your baddieness at the moment MP. I've been trying to make a defense for myself and state my reasoning for Dana being bad. I'm not trying to lynch several players at one time, because we can only lynch one today.

But your accusations are running rampant MP. Why do you ask me to be more open-minded, but immediately jump on anything that is even remotely different than one particular story you have stuck in your head. It's quite hypocritical of you. But if you want to stick with your tunnel-vision, fine, but don't pretend like it's not there.

[Marmot]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 662#p89662

Well, that's weird.

You know what else is weird, I DID respond to that.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 671#p89671

I hope you address this when you come back MP. You kept accusing me of not responding to your defense of Made. I did. I even posted this here post to affirm it. But you seemed to ignore it again. Anyway, it's there. Read it. Acknowledge it. And I'd love to hear your responses.

[Marmot]

Oops. DANA, not Made.

[Epignosis]

Why wait to see if I live? I'll show why Roxy's disingenuous now.

[birdwithteeth11]

To echo bea's sentiments, the lynch post will go up sometime before 11:30 EST probably, but I'm not sure when before that. I just told her to not feel like she's rushed and to take her time.

Also, I would like to add that there were a surprisingly significant lack of entries for our contest today. In fact, well over half of the players didn't submit anything (Okay, fine. It was only two people to give you the actual number). We throw out bones to you guys in the form of contests and prizes, and you all don't seem to care.

You are off the hook this time. And I know that entries these contests are technically voluntary. But if we don't start getting more participation in the future i.e. more than two people, we may have to consider consequences for not doing so.

And really, I have no desire to do such a thing. So just be kind and humor us with this kthx.

[Marmot]

Let's assume your theory, that I am now a robot (well...I was a robot but never mind ) is true, and that I had info on Enrique and Made. This means that in three nights, the robot role checker would have had to have checked BOTH Made and Enrique, the latter of whom Ep1 happened to openly suspect- hard. My domain is language, not mathematics, but accounting for deaths and the fact that they wouldn't check their own crew, I estimate that the chance of both checks happening by Day 4 is 4.2%. Of course, that doesn't account for role blocks or the panoply of human interaction over the Internet. Finally, your theory means that I would have had to be willing to tip my hand to accomplish something that would happen without my intervention.

This reminds me of Harry Potter.

I was the civ role checker, and I caught 3 of the 4 baddies in the first 4 nights. I tipped my hand for the first one. She was lynched, I was NK'd that night (as expected), but was rezzed later. I think you know the rest of the story.

[Marmot]

Also, I would like to add that there were a surprisingly significant lack of entries for our contest today. In fact, well over half of the players didn't submit anything (Okay, fine. It was only two people to give you the actual number). We throw out bones to you guys in the form of contests and prizes, and you all don't seem to care.

I never get prizes when I do contests and stuff. I only get punishments, like counting to 5 and being turned into a newt.

[Chris]

To echo bea's sentiments, the lynch post will go up sometime before 11:30 EST probably, but I'm not sure when before that. I just told her to not feel like she's rushed and to take her time.

Also, I would like to add that there were a surprisingly significant lack of entries for our contest today. In fact, well over half of the players didn't submit anything (Okay, fine. It was only two people to give you the actual number). We throw out bones to you guys in the form of contests and prizes, and you all don't seem to care.

You are off the hook this time. And I know that entries these contests are technically voluntary. But if we don't start getting more participation in the future i.e. more than two people, we may have to consider consequences for not doing so.

And really, I have no desire to do such a thing. So just be kind and humor us with this kthx.

unfold couldn't Ender a poem White Queen recumbency anaemia fucking life.

[nijuukyugou]

To echo bea's sentiments, the lynch post will go up sometime before 11:30 EST probably, but I'm not sure when before that. I just told her to not feel like she's rushed and to take her time.

Also, I would like to add that there were a surprisingly significant lack of entries for our contest today. In fact, well over half of the players didn't submit anything (Okay, fine. It was only two people to give you the actual number). We throw out bones to you guys in the form of contests and prizes, and you all don't seem to care.

You are off the hook this time. And I know that entries these contests are technically voluntary. But if we don't start getting more participation in the future i.e. more than two people, we may have to consider consequences for not doing so.

And really, I have no desire to do such a thing. So just be kind and humor us with this kthx.

Oh no! And I even had one for real! I just totally forgot to send it in the excitement of this weekend Sorry, hosts!

[birdwithteeth11]

Alright. So because I am a lenient and benevolent host, I just received two more poetry entries. And they were both so entertaining and enjoyable (I won't call you out, but you two know who you are), that I am going to be kind and extend the contest through the end of Night 6. But I still want to see a bit more participation or else there may be punishments dolled out.

[Marmot]

Alright. So because I am a lenient and benevolent host, I just received two more poetry entries. And they were both so entertaining and enjoyable (I won't call you out, but you two know who you are), that I am going to be kind and extend the contest through the end of Night 6. But I still want to see a bit more participation or else there may be punishments dolled out.

[Epignosis]

Epi - you would have been ballsy enough to tip your hand and then use wifom for defense. You are a role checker or the role checker is on your team.
And why wouldn't they have checked Made or Enrique since both have been topic for discussion for some time now. That way they would know how to play it. You decided for a balls to the wall approach - which is pure Epi.

Epi - you could just say you aren't a robot for the lie detector, like zeek suggested but you didn't why?

Besides your refutation was not adequate - and if you are civ you would know "adequate " just doesn't cut it. give the lie detector something to check....

Chris check metalmarshs post he has been the only one lately working on them.

I'm ballsy enough to use WIFOM as my defense (I didn't. I used something called "math")- but I'm too scared to utter a statement for a lie detector? Bullshit.

I am sorry to not have been here sooner we had a dinner to attend and it ran longer than I expected. DP took care of MPATHG for me so I could vote then relax some.

So much of Made is this role Enrique is this role - how can anyone act so certain as to assign specific roles before the lynch is even over? I guess I am not smart enough to be able to place people in particular roles this early in a game. I guess a rolechecker could though

That said I feel better about voting Made over Enrique just bc Made is acting differently this game. I am not sure I should trust Epi quite yet and after his replacing in I have no ideas where his allegience may lie. Ergo I don't want to trust a case made by someone I can't yet trust.

*votes Made*

Who assigned specific roles? This is something Roxy has accused me of but has not produced a shred of evidence to show it. In fact, I asked her where I did:

I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.

Oh? What role was that?

She said I claimed a role for Enrique. I didn't. She never answered my question. I know why she didn't. She can't.

Epi 2 put him into a role and did not stop there he put Made into a role too. Yet you are ignoring those facts.

Said it again, but can't show it.

This is how I know she has no faith in her case:

I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.

She never said what role I said he'd flip (because I didn't have that information), but:

I will prob vote epi
Mostly bc I feel the case is stronger than Metal or MP. Besides I really feel MP is civ this game. he has that indignant quality to his posts.

That's a lack of conviction if I ever saw one. The case is stronger? What case? Hers? The one where I need role checker to kick ass? Sorry, I rock with a team or without one.

Hey Roxy! Guess what? I'm going to vote YOU until I die.

[birdwithteeth11]

Who else helped plot the murder of your hosts?

Poll ended at Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:36 pm

Bass_The_Clever
0
No votes

Black Rock
0
No votes

Chris
1
keys56000000000 (4) 5%

Dana
1
nijuukyugou (18) 5%

DFaraday
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

Gotrees
0
No votes

Hedgeowl
0
No votes

Juliets 2.0
0
No votes

Keys56000000000
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

MetalMarsh
7
MovingPictures07 (7), DFaraday (8), juliets (13), Epignosis (16), Snow Dog (17), Elohcin (20), Hedgeowl (21) 32%

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

Ninjablooper
0
No votes

Roxy
1
sabie12 (15) 5%

Sabie
0
No votes

Snow Dog 2.0
0
No votes

SVS
0
No votes

Turnip Head 2.0
0
No votes

A TARDIS experiment involving rubber chickens gone horribly wrong (Host/Non/Dead)
5
birdwithteeth11 (1), bea (2), Made (3), Enrique (5), zeek (6) 23%

[bea]

"Yea! We finally found a bad guy!!" TH yelled.
"Yea, but there's still killing going on at night that we can't find." Ninjablooper pointed out.
"Well, at least Strax seems to be doing ok. I wasn't sure about Made anyway" Dom pointed out.
Today after much debate, the crowd seemed to feel that it was a pretty even split between MetalNewt and Epi 2.0.
Accusations flied. Things were addressed and not addressed and circles were ran till finally both of them were standing on a platform.
"It looks like it's either you or me kid." Epi pointed out.
"Man, I've got a bad feeling about this." Newt responded.
The crowd bickered over the best way to decide who goes. Draw Straws? Revote? Kill them both and be done with it?
While they were arguing, nobody noticed the USS Titantic spaceship hurtling towards the Earth. As it began to break into the atmosphere, a door opened and out fell a baby grand piano. The doors shut and the ship righted itself and flew away.

The piano plummeted to the Earth and landed smack on poor Newt, and splashing Newt juice all over Epi.
As the shocked crowd turned to see what just happened, the woooosh whooosh of the TARDIS began to appear. Out popped The Doctor holding a life raft from the Titanic.

"Right then. Just had to help some friends dump some weight so they didn't crash into the Earth and destroy life as you know it. So, what's going on here?" He asked as he looked at the broken bits of piano and Newtstuffs laying around.



MetalMarsh has been Lynched. He was Lucy Saxon. He was recruited. You have 24 hours to do what you need to do.

[Hedgeowl]

well that wasnt the result I was expecting, but good one all the same.

[Epignosis]

Excellent.

[birdwithteeth11]

ATTENTION EVERYONE!

Tonight's poll is a bit different. Bea and I are going to possibly be hosting some kind of online contest on Thursday evening. We are not sure on a time yet, but I would guess it will occur at 7PM at the earliest. If you would be available that evening, please pick one of the first two options in terms of what type of contest you would prefer. If you are not available, please pick the last option, and then mention if there is another evening this week that would work better for you instead. We are flexible and have multiple hosting options that work for both of us.

[birdwithteeth11]

Also as an addendum I forgot to add in. People who are dead are eligible to participate. And if we do the non-Who-themed one, your hosts will also be playing.

[Marmot]

Excellent.

I disagree?

[Epignosis]

Excellent.

I disagree?

Well done.

[Enrique]

Also as an addendum I forgot to add in. People who are dead are eligible to participate. And if we do the non-Who-themed one, your hosts will also be playing.

[S~V~S]

I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.

[Epignosis]

I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.

Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.

[Marmot]

Excellent.

I disagree?

Well done.

[birdwithteeth11]

I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

That is the one where bea and I WOULD be playing actually.

[S~V~S]

Oh, well that's OK, I just did not want to compete with you on Dr Who. Non Who, I am OK with that

[keys56000000000]

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

[S~V~S]

I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.

Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.

Three secret roles. That's an assumption. The hosts did not say that, so we don't know for sure.

And Good Night

[Tangrowth]

Well, not what I was expecting, but awesome nonetheless!!! BIH MM!!

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

Not true, that was only a curse for one day period.

Also, Lucy Saxon is not a civilian, as it says she was "recruited". Given The Master's secrets, I think it's very logical to conclude MM was an LMS duo with The Master.

[Tangrowth]

Also, 7PM EST on Thursday will not work for me. I have class during that time. Not sure when will be better for me though. (see below for elaboration on why)

Additionally, on that note, just a heads up, over the next week and a half or so, I will inevitably be less active. I have a research paper on Positive Accounting I need to finish by Thursday, and it's massive, and I have my Quantitiative midterm/project starting Tuesday, and my parents are coming to visit Wednesday night and will be here for about a week. So with midterm time kicking my ass even more this coming week and my parents being around, I won't be able to spam the thread as much.

[Epignosis]

The Master: A renegade Time Lord and archenemy of The Doctor. As a child, he was forced to look into the Untempered Schism as all Time Lords did. However, he went insane as a result of this. The only thing he seeks is the death of The Doctor and the enslavement of the universe with himself as the ultimate ruler and ultimate Time Lord. He will stop at nothing to achieve these goals. Kills on odd nights. *Secrets* The first three attempts on his life will be blocked. Every night, he attempts to find Lucy Saxon, his wife/companion. If he finds her, they gain BTSC. Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target. This is up to and including kill attempts.

[S~V~S]

28 players, 31 roles. The Master is a good assumption, but still an assumption.

It obviously isn't the Daleks though, lol

And I have read the roles~ 28 of them

Now really, good night.

[Tangrowth]

S~V~S, with all due respect, I don't understand why you think it's ambiguous, but I suppose it's a moot point.