Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Marmot]

Excellent.

I disagree?

Well done.

[birdwithteeth11]

I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

That is the one where bea and I WOULD be playing actually.

[S~V~S]

Oh, well that's OK, I just did not want to compete with you on Dr Who. Non Who, I am OK with that

[keys56000000000]

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

[S~V~S]

I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.

Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.

Three secret roles. That's an assumption. The hosts did not say that, so we don't know for sure.

And Good Night

[Tangrowth]

Well, not what I was expecting, but awesome nonetheless!!! BIH MM!!

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

Not true, that was only a curse for one day period.

Also, Lucy Saxon is not a civilian, as it says she was "recruited". Given The Master's secrets, I think it's very logical to conclude MM was an LMS duo with The Master.

[Tangrowth]

Also, 7PM EST on Thursday will not work for me. I have class during that time. Not sure when will be better for me though. (see below for elaboration on why)

Additionally, on that note, just a heads up, over the next week and a half or so, I will inevitably be less active. I have a research paper on Positive Accounting I need to finish by Thursday, and it's massive, and I have my Quantitiative midterm/project starting Tuesday, and my parents are coming to visit Wednesday night and will be here for about a week. So with midterm time kicking my ass even more this coming week and my parents being around, I won't be able to spam the thread as much.

[Epignosis]

The Master: A renegade Time Lord and archenemy of The Doctor. As a child, he was forced to look into the Untempered Schism as all Time Lords did. However, he went insane as a result of this. The only thing he seeks is the death of The Doctor and the enslavement of the universe with himself as the ultimate ruler and ultimate Time Lord. He will stop at nothing to achieve these goals. Kills on odd nights. *Secrets* The first three attempts on his life will be blocked. Every night, he attempts to find Lucy Saxon, his wife/companion. If he finds her, they gain BTSC. Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target. This is up to and including kill attempts.

[S~V~S]

28 players, 31 roles. The Master is a good assumption, but still an assumption.

It obviously isn't the Daleks though, lol

And I have read the roles~ 28 of them

Now really, good night.

[Tangrowth]

S~V~S, with all due respect, I don't understand why you think it's ambiguous, but I suppose it's a moot point.

[birdwithteeth11]

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

If there is a tie in a lynch, then it's decided at random/by a coin flip who dies.

[Marmot]

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

If there is a tie in a lynch, then it's decided at random/by a coin flip who dies.

I called heads though.

[S~V~S]

S~V~S, with all due respect, I don't understand why you think it's ambiguous, but I suppose it's a moot point.

Because there are 3 secret roles. Do you know what they do? Neither do I. One of them could be a recruiter. Like I said the Master is a good assumption, but if the hosts don't say it, we don't know it.

And I guess I don;t like being told to "Read the roles"

But seriously, when it comes to role assignment speculation and such, we need to remember those three secret roles.

[juliets]

Yay for the lynch!. You did a good job on that case MP - kudos to you. MM, will miss you personally but will not miss your character.

I'll have to put my days and times in tomorrow for the contest because I'm too tired to think about it. I know I can't end after 8:30 on any night and can't do it at all on Thursday or Friday (jeopardy). Oh - I guess I just did what i thought i was too tired to do. Ok, gotta check the right box and then I'm off to bed.

[Tangrowth]

S~V~S, with all due respect, I don't understand why you think it's ambiguous, but I suppose it's a moot point.

Because there are 3 secret roles. Do you know what they do? Neither do I. One of them could be a recruiter. Like I said the Master is a good assumption, but if the hosts don't say it, we don't know it.

And I guess I don;t like being told to "Read the roles"

But seriously, when it comes to role assignment speculation and such, we need to remember those three secret roles.

A fair point, one that I agree with (cautioning against irrational conclusions), but keep in mind that:

1) Lucy Saxon, the role in question, IS one of those secret roles. So that eliminates one possibility (she could not recruit herself).
2) From a canon perspective, it makes no sense for any other character in the entire Doctor Who show to be able to recruit Lucy Saxon, other than The Master. This is confirmed by the fact that The Master's ability clearly says it can recruit/gain BTSC with Lucy Saxon.

Therefore, I'm going to say it's safe to assume that Lucy was VERY likely aligned in an LMS duo with The Master, until given reason otherwise.

Anyway, like I said, it's sort of a moot point, since MM only would have one teammate in this scenario anyway (The Master) and discerning who that person is just based on interaction wouldn't be easy.

Anyway x 2, this means there are still very likely 2 Daleks left alive, and my next best Dalek guess would be Gotrees, based on his behavior and vote history.

However, I'm not willing to present a case against him at this time, and think we really need to catch a Cyberman, though I won't mind if we hit any baddie, as we did today.

I would like to find The Master though, so I think we should pay attention to people surviving kills (yes, I realize I did, but I also explained how I did, due to my prize), particularly those who say they don't know how they survived. At the moment, this would be BR.

[Dom]

Nice result guys!

V busy!

Voting for DW

byieee

[Tangrowth]

Now, to clarify, I'm not advocating that I think BR is bad necessarily, nor that we should vote people who survive NKs. But I do think it is necessary to keep in mind those who survive kills and say they don't know how, ESPECIALLY if they survive 2+ NKs. That's when it starts becoming noteworthy.

[Tangrowth]

Roxy, why have you abandoned your Hedgeowl suspicion? Do you still feel she is bad? You felt really strongly about it earlier, so I'm curious.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Way to go everyone.

[Tangrowth]

I would like to find The Master though, so I think we should pay attention to people surviving kills (yes, I realize I did, but I also explained how I did, due to my prize), particularly those who say they don't know how they survived. At the moment, this would be BR.

I forgot, Elo should be added to this list too.

Even though she said she knows how she survived... it's interesting to note now several facts:

1) Daisy and Dana were vouching for each other for quite some time, hard.
2) The Master killed Daisy last night.
3) Metalmarsh, who is now revealed to be Lucy Saxon, was gunning after Dana hard, after abandoning it for a few cycles.
4) Guess who else said Dana was "bad, bad, bad"? Elo.

[Tangrowth]

Frankly, if Elo survived another NK, the aforementioned post combined with that fact might honestly be enough to convince me she is The Master. Assuming that would happen.

Anyway, it's good to keep options open, and I'm not sure what I think of Elo or BR at this moment, but let's remember to keep this in mind.

[Tangrowth]

Dana, I see you in here. I know you're not bad, and that you've probably been busy, but whenever you have a chance could you please benefit us with your thoughts? Thanks!

[S~V~S]

Dana also thought that both Epignosis 1.0 & Snowy 1.0 were bad. So I am not sure I want to be lynching anyone based on her opinion, tbh.

[Tangrowth]

Dana also thought that both Epignosis 1.0 & Snowy 1.0 were bad. So I am not sure I want to be lynching anyone based on her opinion, tbh.

I'm not advocating anything close of the sort; I just would appreciate her to contribute, like everyone else, since she hasn't in quite some time, and obviously had opinions earlier in the game.

Just because someone may be a civvie doesn't mean they are infallible, by any means.

[Long Con]

Now, to clarify, I'm not advocating that I think BR is bad necessarily, nor that we should vote people who survive NKs. But I do think it is necessary to keep in mind those who survive kills and say they don't know how, ESPECIALLY if they survive 2+ NKs. That's when it starts becoming noteworthy.

But Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith can both possibly survive multiple kills as well. And I wouldn't expect them to necessarily admit they know why.

At least the roleblocker is not a factor... And is there even a protector in this game?

[DFaraday]

Like LC said, just because someone survived doesn't mean they're bad. But we should keep an eye on them just in case.

[Tangrowth]

Now, to clarify, I'm not advocating that I think BR is bad necessarily, nor that we should vote people who survive NKs. But I do think it is necessary to keep in mind those who survive kills and say they don't know how, ESPECIALLY if they survive 2+ NKs. That's when it starts becoming noteworthy.

But Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith can both possibly survive multiple kills as well. And I wouldn't expect them to necessarily admit they know why.

At least the roleblocker is not a factor... And is there even a protector in this game?

Possible, yes, but:

1) The Master automatically survives three kill attempts and Cyber Controller survives all NK attempts until his entire team is decimated. Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith only have a percentage chance to survive NKs at that. Consequently, if someone survives 2 NKs, it makes the former possibilities more likely than the latter. I am not saying anything is 100% conclusive here.

2) There is not an apparent protector, but there are baddie role blockers, so yes, something to consider.

3) I do not necessarily believe that either BR or Elo are either of those roles.

Linki with DF: I agree, which is exactly what I'm saying. But the more someone does survive, the more we should suspect there is a chance of the former possibilities.

[S~V~S]

You do still suspect MM, right?

[Tangrowth]

You do still suspect MM, right?

Considering he is now dead and revealed Lucy Saxon, yes.

[S~V~S]

I am such a fail before coffee lol.

[sabie12]

Yay for getting a bad indy player! I'm not familiar with Dr. Who really so I chose non doctor who theme. I guess I've missed out on a lot of good themes already.

[Long Con]

LOL too funny.

[birdwithteeth11]

The role list has been updated, both based on the results of the last lynch, as well as the results of the Night 5 votes. Sorry I didn't get to that second one sooner!

[Chris]

Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith only have a percentage chance to survive NKs at that.

Wut? Where did you get that from?

[Elohcin]

Cool! I will shoose non-Dr Who

[Roxy]

Voted non dr who

Epi I will answer your no u suspicion after work today.

[Epignosis]

I would like to find The Master though, so I think we should pay attention to people surviving kills (yes, I realize I did, but I also explained how I did, due to my prize), particularly those who say they don't know how they survived. At the moment, this would be BR.

I forgot, Elo should be added to this list too.

Even though she said she knows how she survived... it's interesting to note now several facts:

1) Daisy and Dana were vouching for each other for quite some time, hard.
2) The Master killed Daisy last night.
3) Metalmarsh, who is now revealed to be Lucy Saxon, was gunning after Dana hard, after abandoning it for a few cycles.
4) Guess who else said Dana was "bad, bad, bad"? Elo.

Eloh voted MM second to last though. And the reasoning she gave for doing it could hardly be considered distancing:

I know this is not the best way to go about this, but I am voting for the person I think is least civ rather than more suspicious. *votes MM*

Linki....I still think Dana is bad bad bad too.

Why do you think I am not very civ? And why wouldn't a vote for Dana be a better alternative?

I didn't say I thought you were "not very civ" that is twisting words a bit. I said I thought Epi seems more civ than you. Meaning, I am more sure that Epi is civ than I am sure that you are.

As for Dana, why would I vote her when my vote would be meaningless?

[Bass_the_Clever]

I voted non doctor

[Snow Dog]

Dr 'Oo femed.

[Snow Dog]

I voted non doctor

Oh I say!

[Chris]

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

If there is a tie in a lynch, then it's decided at random/by a coin flip who dies.

Will O' The Wisp Was the last ramadan a tie decided by a coin targeting?

[Long Con]

Epig2 and MM got 7 votes each

In the event of a civvie vs mafia tie, the civvie dies. Right?

If there is a tie in a lynch, then it's decided at random/by a coin flip who dies.

Will O' The Wisp Was the last ramadan a tie decided by a coin targeting?

If the hosts answer that question, then we could have more information on who might be Amy Pond.

[Black Rock]

Now, to clarify, I'm not advocating that I think BR is bad necessarily, nor that we should vote people who survive NKs. But I do think it is necessary to keep in mind those who survive kills and say they don't know how, ESPECIALLY if they survive 2+ NKs. That's when it starts becoming noteworthy.

I'm suspicious because I didn't know why I survived? I would think it should be if I did.

[Long Con]

Now, to clarify, I'm not advocating that I think BR is bad necessarily, nor that we should vote people who survive NKs. But I do think it is necessary to keep in mind those who survive kills and say they don't know how, ESPECIALLY if they survive 2+ NKs. That's when it starts becoming noteworthy.

I'm suspicious because I didn't know why I survived? I would think it should be if I did.

Well, Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane would both know why they survived, and not be suspicious because of it... whereas the invincible baddies are another story. It's a pretty good balance, really, makes it harder for players to simply pigeonhole a survivor into one or the other.

[Black Rock]

Now, to clarify, I'm not advocating that I think BR is bad necessarily, nor that we should vote people who survive NKs. But I do think it is necessary to keep in mind those who survive kills and say they don't know how, ESPECIALLY if they survive 2+ NKs. That's when it starts becoming noteworthy.

I'm suspicious because I didn't know why I survived? I would think it should be if I did.

Well, Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane would both know why they survived, and not be suspicious because of it... whereas the invincible baddies are another story. It's a pretty good balance, really, makes it harder for players to simply pigeonhole a survivor into one or the other.

Fair enough.

I think the target was blocked and that's how I survived. When I thought through the night post. I didn't have super powers and walked through a wall. They were literally blocked by a brick wall. That's my theory anyways.

[Long Con]

...The Dalek managed to do a fairly good job of keeping on her trail however. Until at one point, hitturned a corner and slid.....right into a brick wall. But....how could that be? It was absolutely certain that she had gone this direction! It tried to retrace some of her possible steps, but to no avail. Black Rock had someone slipped through the Dalek's grasp, and she hadn't even been aware of it! Cursing it's foul luck...

Looking at the night post, I am inclined to believe that a roleblock on the Dalek did occur. The Dalek gets literally blocked, and they even made a point to say the "she hadn't even been aware of it".

[nijuukyugou]

Nice job, guys! Unexpected result, but great nonetheless!

Voting Who-themed, because it is the right choice. (But if it's non-Who themed, I won't cry. Too much.)

[birdwithteeth11]

The night post will be delayed for a bit. Need to get some stuff together and I'm trying to get it a bit closer to the 11:30PM EST time.

[juliets]

Thanks for letting us know bwt

[birdwithteeth11]

Which one sounds the most interesting?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:09 pm

Doctor-Who themed
3
Dom (5), DFaraday (9), Snow Dog (16) 17%

Non-Doctor-Who themed
11
S~V~S (1), Metalmarsh89 (2), keys56000000000 (3), Long Con (6), sabie12 (10), Roxy (11), Elohcin (12), Epignosis (13), Bass_the_Clever (15), Black Rock (17), Chris (18) 61%

I can't participate because I'm a nub.
4
MovingPictures07 (4), zeek (7), juliets (8), Hedgeowl (14) 22%

Total votes : 18