[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A surface level look at the Long Con lynch shows no such early bussing.

When I say "bussing", I mean "hard aggression against a team mate" without or without a vote being placed. When I say "early", I mean early in this mafia game and not early in the LC bandwagon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MM, why do you think Strawhenge wants you lynched so badly?

[Ricochet]

A surface level look at the Long Con lynch shows no such early bussing.

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

I realize Mac was pressing the lynch, but considering his vote was not on Long Con, that doesn't guarantee an intentional, team-oriented bussing. But I just noticed that all of these players are still alive except for seaside, who we lynched yesterday, so I also have not read much of Day 2 since I was away, so my thoughts aren't complete on the subject.

I read through BR's posts. She interacted a lot with Epignosis, Jay, Matt F, Golden, and fingersplints, and some very minor interactions with pretty much all other players.

Again I must ask the players who hold on to the idea that LC did not get bussed on Day 2 where the remaining four scum are, in that case.

Because your only variants are:

Day 2

AceofSpaces 1 -- TheFloyd73 (4) 3%
bcornett24 6 -- Epignosis (26)
DrWilgy 1 -- Ricochet (23) 3%
Metalmarsh89 1 -- Bullzeye (20) 3%
seaside 2 -- Metalmarsh89 (2), Strawhenge (10) 5%
Sorsha 2 -- Matt F (25), Elohcin (33) 5%
thellama73 3 -- Diiny (28)

And I ain't it.

[Ricochet]

JJJ, what if Strawhenge's claim has to do with a specific action directed at player X, not just a simple interpretation of how events occured from which player X would come off as looking bad?

[Marmot]

MM, why do you think Strawhenge wants you lynched so badly?

I haven't thought about it deeply.

The only explanation I have inferred from his posts are something role-related, but I also think that whatever that is would be inaccurate.

[DrWilgy]

Unsure actually. I'm seeing things that I would like to vote Choutas for, but can't.

I think my order at this point is Choutas >Floyd >JJJ

...or we can lynch Fuzz while he's away... Ufufufufu...

[Marmot]

Jay, what do you think about Strawhenge's behavior?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ, what if Strawhenge's claim has to do with a specific action directed at player X, not just a simple interpretation of how events occured from which player X would come off as looking bad?

I'm staring at the roles looking for something that suits this notion. I do have other ideas though.

Jay, what do you think about Strawhenge's behavior?

I think he's most likely town and is convinced that you are not. I'm working out why. He has stated his suspicions of you publicly, so it's available to be read by anyone.

I'm considering voting for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Doc, talk to me about Choutas. Why should we lynch him?

I have 800 posts in a mafia game.

[Marmot]

Jay, where do this and this fit into your ISO of sig?

I believe you have HBoy down as mafia.

[Epignosis]

3J - Before Day 7, before civvie seaside was bandwagoned, I thought you were civvie. Even when Epignosis (and others) thought you were bad, I didn't like it. But then seaside gets bandwagoned while you and Floyd stay in the game, and my perspective of you has definitely changed.

Before Epignosis' and your interactions yesterday, I was leaning civvie on Epignosis.

Epignosis - I see you didn't really respond to anything I said, just flipped it back on me. As usual, you are not addressing my points, so my vote stays.

Don't worry though, dude, Metalmarsh just moved his vote off of you so I doubt you'll be lynched today.

Linki - 3J - Diiny hasn't registered at all to me this game. I'll ISO him though, and see what I think. As for you, as of this moment, considering Epignosis lead the train against seaside on Day 7 (which avoided you being lynched), and considering the questionable actions between you two yesterday, I think you're bad.

Linki - Metalmarsh, to me, it has nothing to do with roles we know, who's dead, who's not, blah blah blah. It has to do with the non-suspicions between 3J and Epignosis, when IMO, their actions should be suspicious towards each other. Epignosis is LITERALLY doing what 3J suggested the Mafia may be doing, yet since Epignosis finds Floyd suspicious then "Nah I dunno about Epig then". Everyone finds Floyd suspicious! What kind of a reason is that?

Anyway, I have a few hours. I liked your point on motel room, voting Diiny Day 6 and then G2H'ding him bad the very next day. And I'm STILL waiting on Epignosis thoughts on motel room.

I haven't gotten to motel room. I've been spending my time with you and your astute appraisals of Day 8.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, where do this and this fit into your ISO of sig?

I believe you have HBoy down as mafia.

Epi was the one who suggested he might have been mafia. I haven't bothered to look into that at all and am not inclined to consider the word of an unknown long-dead entity significant now.

[Ricochet]

Doc, talk to me about Choutas. Why should we lynch him?

I have 800 posts in a mafia game.

Yes, please make 100 more before I get to ISO you in one-two hours from now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Doc, talk to me about Choutas. Why should we lynch him?

I have 800 posts in a mafia game.

Yes, please make 100 more before I get to ISO you in one-two hours from now.

Not using OT because I think this is relevant: I really don't think you should bother. I don't care if that makes it look like I have something to hide, I just think it's seriously not worth your time. The cases for against Jay are pretty clear cut frankly and your time could be better spent doing just about anything else.

Maybe when I'm dead you can revisit my vault of posts.

[Marmot]

I'm considering voting for you.

It's not like you to vote without a reason.



Brief thoughts on your sig ISO.

I thought the first point was good. Though I made the same observation about a seaside post wert espers being modkilled, and I was wrong about that.

I see nothing wrong with his interactions with MacDougall

Most of Mac's interactions with sig don't speak much to me, but the last one does. If Mac felt so good about sig from early on, why toss a vote his way for something so trivial (or at least something that I thought was trivial).

His votes don't say anything to me.

[Ricochet]

Doc, talk to me about Choutas. Why should we lynch him?

I have 800 posts in a mafia game.

Yes, please make 100 more before I get to ISO you in one-two hours from now.

Not using OT because I think this is relevant: I really don't think you should bother. I don't care if that makes it look like I have something to hide, I just think it's seriously not worth your time. The cases for against Jay are pretty clear cut frankly and your time could be better spent doing just about anything else.

Maybe when I'm dead you can revisit my vault of posts.

Probably true, but I still have a hole in my head, so why stop?

[Marmot]

Jay, where do this and this fit into your ISO of sig?

I believe you have HBoy down as mafia.

Epi was the one who suggested he might have been mafia. I haven't bothered to look into that at all and am not inclined to consider the word of an unknown long-dead entity significant now.

Epignosis suggested he might be mafia?

HBoy was nightkilled Night 1 by the PSK.



:P

[Ricochet]

Jay, where do this and this fit into your ISO of sig?

I believe you have HBoy down as mafia.

Epi was the one who suggested he might have been mafia. I haven't bothered to look into that at all and am not inclined to consider the word of an unknown long-dead entity significant now.

Epignosis suggested he might be mafia?

HBoy was nightkilled Night 1 by the PSK.



:P

That would imply dead role check, which the mafia already has. Can it be plausible to double that power for the rogue killer as well, purely as a mechanic?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's not like you to vote without a reason.

This game is pretty solid evidence that many people don't really know what is and is not "like me".

Brief thoughts on your sig ISO.

I thought the first point was good. Though I made the same observation about a seaside post wert espers being modkilled, and I was wrong about that.

I see nothing wrong with his interactions with MacDougall

Most of Mac's interactions with sig don't speak much to me, but the last one does. If Mac felt so good about sig from early on, why toss a vote his way for something so trivial (or at least something that I thought was trivial).

His votes don't say anything to me.

Thanks for reviewing the ISO. How did you feel about sig's vote for Diiny with a mind for the Diiny-related content earlier in sig's post history?

Probably true, but I still have a hole in my head, so why stop?

I hope you have coffee.

Look at me trying to combine quotes into single posts instead of spreeing responses into 40 posts.

[Marmot]

I was only half-serious in that Epignosis nightkilled HBoy BECAUSE he suggested HBoy was mafia.

But that's probably not the case, because when I looked back at Epignosis's posts circa Day 1/Day 2, he had HBoy as a civvie read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi, could you give a summary of the thought process that caused you to suggest HamburgerBoy might have been a mafioso?

[Ricochet]

Fuck, Knick is on right now and I forgot!

[Ricochet]

I don't drink coffee, JJJ. But I do have Pepsi caffeine, always handily.

[Marmot]

It's not like you to vote without a reason.

This game is pretty solid evidence that many people don't really know what is and is not "like me".

Brief thoughts on your sig ISO.

I thought the first point was good. Though I made the same observation about a seaside post wert espers being modkilled, and I was wrong about that.

I see nothing wrong with his interactions with MacDougall

Most of Mac's interactions with sig don't speak much to me, but the last one does. If Mac felt so good about sig from early on, why toss a vote his way for something so trivial (or at least something that I thought was trivial).

His votes don't say anything to me.

Thanks for reviewing the ISO. How did you feel about sig's vote for Diiny with a mind for the Diiny-related content earlier in sig's post history?

Probably true, but I still have a hole in my head, so why stop?

I hope you have coffee.

Look at me trying to combine quotes into single posts instead of spreeing responses into 40 posts.

I'm a bit of an attention-whore Jay. I also know you like to post and analyze a lot. I would have noticed if you had made a post as to why you think I am mafia, and you have not done it yet.

You gave me a B+ wert my interactions with MacDougall, so I think it would be a stretch for you to read me as mafia atm.

As for PSK, you have touched the discussion, but not picked a side.

The question I mean to ask is why are you considering voting for me?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm a bit of an attention-whore Jay. I also know you like to post and analyze a lot. I would have noticed if you had made a post as to why you think I am mafia, and you have not done it yet.

You gave me a B+ wert my interactions with MacDougall, so I think it would be a stretch for you to read me as mafia atm.

As for PSK, you have touched the discussion, but not picked a side.

The question I mean to ask is why are you considering voting for me?

Strawhenge is oozing towntells right now and he wants you dead. He has expressed a degree of confidence in that pursuit that I don't think Strawhenge would ever give us if he didn't really believe it was solid top to bottom. He's more careful than that. That's enough for me to consider voting for you regardless of whatever analysis I have performed on you. My analyses in this game have been pretty inconsistent anyway.

I haven't touched on the SK discussion because I don't care about it. I want to kill at least one more mafioso before I concern myself with that.

[Marmot]

Brief thoughts on your sig ISO.

I thought the first point was good. Though I made the same observation about a seaside post wert espers being modkilled, and I was wrong about that.

I see nothing wrong with his interactions with MacDougall

Most of Mac's interactions with sig don't speak much to me, but the last one does. If Mac felt so good about sig from early on, why toss a vote his way for something so trivial (or at least something that I thought was trivial).

His votes don't say anything to me.

Thanks for reviewing the ISO. How did you feel about sig's vote for Diiny with a mind for the Diiny-related content earlier in sig's post history?

It looks like he is trying to generate interest in a Diiny lynch via asking questions to other players. I can see why you find it suspicious.

I still think it was suspicious Diiny received 6 votes on Day 6 when Mac was lynched (and only trailed Mac by 1 vote), and then 0 the very next day. Unfortunately, I have not looked into it beyond that yet.

[Ricochet]

Strawhenge, can you give us some indication if your tell is vague or specific, circumstantial or consequential?

[Epignosis]

Epi, could you give a summary of the thought process that caused you to suggest HamburgerBoy might have been a mafioso?

It was a hunch I had while looking back. An alcohol-related hunch surrounding these two posts:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p182280
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p181909

These posts in particular struck me as false is all. It was like he knew LC was bad but had to find a way to lynch someone else (bwt).

[Marmot]

I'm a bit of an attention-whore Jay. I also know you like to post and analyze a lot. I would have noticed if you had made a post as to why you think I am mafia, and you have not done it yet.

You gave me a B+ wert my interactions with MacDougall, so I think it would be a stretch for you to read me as mafia atm.

As for PSK, you have touched the discussion, but not picked a side.

The question I mean to ask is why are you considering voting for me?

Strawhenge is oozing towntells right now and he wants you dead. He has expressed a degree of confidence in that pursuit that I don't think Strawhenge would ever give us if he didn't really believe it was solid top to bottom. He's more careful than that. That's enough for me to consider voting for you regardless of whatever analysis I have performed on you. My analyses in this game have been pretty inconsistent anyway.

I haven't touched on the SK discussion because I don't care about it. I want to kill at least one more mafioso before I concern myself with that.

Well I hope you can justify it with more than that. You defended Mac to the bitter end only to watch him flip mafia. Your defense of Strawhenge could be in a similar mold. I suspected you because of your defense of MacDougall (and still suspect you for it). There is a possibility that this is a coordinated affair. But yes, unlikely considering the execution, as I don't think you would endorse treading so finely on the rules.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi, could you give a summary of the thought process that caused you to suggest HamburgerBoy might have been a mafioso?

It was a hunch I had while looking back. An alcohol-related hunch surrounding these two posts:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p182280
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p181909

These posts in particular struck me as false is all. It was like he knew LC was bad but had to find a way to lynch someone else (bwt).

I can see that. The second post especially inspires a .

[Matt]

Instead of using my short time today to ISO Diiny (sorry 3J, or not sorry since you didn't want me to anyway), I instead ISO'd Epignosis with CTRLing "Mac".

I'm now having a hard time reconciling Mac and Epig being on the same team. Epignosis seemed to go after Mac pretty strongly.



I dunno what to do

I have about 45 minutes to recast my vote.

[Marmot]

A little over 4 hours left.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well I hope you can justify it with more than that. You defended Mac to the bitter end only to watch him flip mafia. Your defense of Strawhenge could be in a similar mold. I suspected you because of your defense of MacDougall (and still suspect you for it). There is a possibility that this is a coordinated affair. But yes, unlikely considering the execution, as I don't think you would endorse treading so finely on the rules.

When I read someone as town and they're on the chopping block, I will defend them to the bitter end. The reason people have been so perturbed by my treatment of Mac is that it was loud and constant -- which is what all of my content is in every game ever. Naturally when I get one wrong it turns the thread against me.

Normally I don't get them wrong. I'm not going to doubt my own read on Strawhenge just because of what happened with Mac. Your responses to me right now are rather timid -- I am threatening to help kill you without having built a case of my own, and you're only resistance to that is to lightly discredit my ability to read people and waffle on my intentions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm now having a hard time reconciling Mac and Epig being on the same team. Epignosis seemed to go after Mac pretty strongly.

Is this new information to you?

[Ricochet]

A little over 4 hours left.

Welp... I'm probably not going to make it, after all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

and you're only resistance

I am brutalizing the theres and yours in this game, sheesh.

Gonna run to the grocery store, I'll be back before the deadline.

[Matt]

I'm now having a hard time reconciling Mac and Epig being on the same team. Epignosis seemed to go after Mac pretty strongly.

Is this new information to you?

How do you mean?

I know Epignosis claimed to "hand MacDougall's head on a platter to me", and I pointed out that Ricochet also had a very good case on MacD. But actually focusing on the MacD/Epignosis exchange, yes, I was quite surprised with how hard Epig went after him.

[Ricochet]

Instead of using my short time today to ISO Diiny (sorry 3J, or not sorry since you didn't want me to anyway), I instead ISO'd Epignosis with CTRLing "Mac".

I'm now having a hard time reconciling Mac and Epig being on the same team. Epignosis seemed to go after Mac pretty strongly.



I dunno what to do

I have about 45 minutes to recast my vote.

So you would agree that if the interactions with mafia equation don't give a teamie tell on Epig, it's not opportunous, as of yet, to project him as teamie based on his alive suspects?

[Matt]

Instead of using my short time today to ISO Diiny (sorry 3J, or not sorry since you didn't want me to anyway), I instead ISO'd Epignosis with CTRLing "Mac".

I'm now having a hard time reconciling Mac and Epig being on the same team. Epignosis seemed to go after Mac pretty strongly.



I dunno what to do

I have about 45 minutes to recast my vote.

So you would agree that if the interactions with mafia equation don't give a teamie tell on Epig, it's not opportunous, as of yet, to project him as teamie based on his alive suspects?

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending. Say again?

[Marmot]

When I read someone as town and they're on the chopping block, I will defend them to the bitter end. The reason people have been so perturbed by my treatment of Mac is that it was loud and constant -- which is what all of my content is in every game ever. Naturally when I get one wrong it turns the thread against me.

Normally I don't get them wrong. I'm not going to doubt my own read on Strawhenge just because of what happened with Mac. Your responses to me right now are rather timid -- I am threatening to help kill you without having built a case of my own, and you're only resistance to that is to lightly discredit my ability to read people and waffle on my intentions.

I don't anticipate that you'll vote for me though. Just because you townread Strawhenge doesn't mean you trust his judgment, and you have given no inclination that you do.

[Ricochet]

Instead of using my short time today to ISO Diiny (sorry 3J, or not sorry since you didn't want me to anyway), I instead ISO'd Epignosis with CTRLing "Mac".

I'm now having a hard time reconciling Mac and Epig being on the same team. Epignosis seemed to go after Mac pretty strongly.



I dunno what to do

I have about 45 minutes to recast my vote.

So you would agree that if the interactions with mafia equation don't give a teamie tell on Epig, it's not opportunous, as of yet, to project him as teamie based on his alive suspects?

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending. Say again?

You said Epig being teammate with a confirmed mafioso, based on how he hunted him, makes Epig unlikely mafia?

Are you still intent to regard Epig as mafia based on him hunting down an active player (like Floyd)?

[Strawhenge]

I'm considering voting for you.

It's not like you to vote without a reason.


.

This is frustrating. Your stance whenever someone suspects you is that they have no reason to. Even when they do, and they explain it five times.

[Marmot]

This is frustrating. Your stance whenever someone suspects you is that they have no reason to. Even when they do, and they explain it five times.

What is Jay's reason?

[Matt]

Rico - I see now.

I still think the exchange between 3J and Epignosis was odd yesterday. I still think Epignosis fixating on Floyd after mentioning him, like twice in the whole game before this, is also odd.

However, Epignosis seemed to go pretty hard after MacDougall and I just don't see why he would do that if they were teamies. I mean, putting a mild suspicion on someone is one thing, but consistently saying "Mac is bad" in so many words...

Currently, I'm back to neutral on Epignosis.

I'd still like his read on motel room, whenever he perceives me to be done yelling at a cloud.

[Marmot]

Vote registered for JaggedJimmyJay

[Matt]

Changed back to motel room

I've got 25 minutes, though.

I'd almost be willing to vote for MM based on Straw's comments, but since the only two votes on him so far are "rivals" Strawhenge and Floyd, I don't like it.

I still think 3J is bad, of course with his "bloody" and "do it" comments to me earlier, I'm getting "very annoyed civvie" vibes from him. Hmmm.

[Marmot]

New plan. Motel Room

I want to see what comes of this.

[Matt]

New plan. Motel Room

I want to see what comes of this.

It seems to me Straw came in here with info, asking you to be lynched.

If you are civilian, what do you make of Straw's supposed "info" ?

I have 11 minutes. Right now I can't see me changing my vote, though.

I do think it's possible that a player can defend MacD all game, dissuade his lynch Day 6, bandwagon a civvie Day 7, and still be civvie. But two players? Nah, one of either 3J or Motel room is bad.

[Ricochet]

I can endorse a motel vote.

However, I'm really hoping Strawhenge can try to answer my question.

[Matt]

Alright, gotta go. Wanted to repost this though before I leave.

Ummmm

Day 1

sig
4
motel room (11), JaggedJimmyJay (16), Long Con (21), birdwithteeth11 (26) 11%

Day 2

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

Day 5

espers
8
Russtifinko (18), motel room (20), JaggedJimmyJay (22), RadicalFuzz (23), Metalmarsh89 (30), Diiny (31), Ricochet (32), Matt F (34) 24%

Day 6

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)

Day 7

seaside
8
Epignosis (20), motel room (21), Metalmarsh89 (23), JaggedJimmyJay (24), bcornett24 (25), Russtifinko (26), Diiny (27), Elohcin (28) 29%

*****

Okay so, voting together 5 out of 7 days is one thing. Actively discouraging the lynch of a now confirmed scum on Day 6 is another. Bandwagoning a civilian on Day 7 to avoid lynching a highly suspicious very possible scum...

What's up?

Later peeps! Good luck, town!