[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is banter early voting common habit on RYM? I'm oscillating between reading bcornett24's vote as such and wanting to hear more from him on why he desired to make such an early vote for no serious reasons.

RVS (random voting stage) is very common on RYM, and generally anywhere where vote changes are commonplace. I hope y'all are ready.

RYM is random in general

Yay!! I should play there. Off topic is my favorite topic!!

Then you will be disappointed - they hate OT there

Yeah sorry anyone who might like to visit RYM, but the OT forum is off-limits to new users right now while the admins make Big Decisions for the Future or something.

[Roxy]

Bealet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and

[bea]

Seaside was the most active poster and asked a ton of questions.

Interesting. I don't think he posted once yet in the main game.

he's currently at the nrl grand final down in sydney, he mentioned this in the day 0 thread.

one thing that might be of note: he asked strawhenge if he had any special abilities in that thread. i asked him about it and he appeared not to know about the infodumping rules (or any of what was mentioned in the first posts of the signup thread)

choutas replied to this exchange, saying that scumslips weren't very common and that seaside's original question read to him as frivolous/banter. that seemed a bit incongruous to me, i'd like choutas to explain it. i might be misremembering the particulars though, wish i could look back over it

He tried the regular rym opening move. Some of them are "Are you scum?", "Do you have a special ability", "You're town?". In the earlier games it was pretty wild "Tell me your role", "Give me a reason not to shoot you today" etc. Seaside is old school. He's still listening to 2Pac and Biggie while you guys have moved to Nicki and Kanye.

I think I might adore you. That is all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SARC TAGS, JAY!

Naw, there might actually be strategic value to this if people really pursue it as something meaningful. Anyone that has even played one game with me knows I was joking when I called myself a low poster.

Like you, Diiny, my protege. What do you think?

Yeah, I'm messing around. That said, I'm happy with Zeb's reaction to it considering he didn't know; I doubt mine would've differed too much. I've seen good day 1 cases originally based off of much less. I'm gonna be watching the rest of his day 1 pretty carefully, because I want to know whether he's out to find some scum, or whether he's off to just rip into onto the first baby gazelle he can spot, if you catch my drift.

There's definitely a history of scum players asking non questions like 'are you scum' and 'why are you scum', though. Strawhenge in Bowiemafsprung to mind... https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... msg5882983 (I'm not sure how the TS legal system works but despite this being RYM case law I submit that you consider it as highly influential)

Werd. Zebra had no idea what kind of mafia player I am so I don't hold it against him. I even love the effort level and enthusiasm he has opened the game with.

Hey Zebra, I hope you and I can sustain a healthy dialogue because if we're both townies like I suspect then I think we can work well together. I like your style.

[Diiny]

Brian. (bcornet), you've had a weak start. From a player such as yourself that loves to quickly go toe-to-toe with anything new or challenging that may present itself and read into stuff a lot, I expected more from you than a pretty weak RVS and a lack of meaningful interaction with the thread whatsoever. What's up?

[Ricochet]

My main suspicion at this point is Ricco. First of all, he seems to be saying a lot, without really saying anything. Even when he voiced some suspicion, it's done in an "intrigued" tone, as if he's trying to avoid confrontation. If you add to that what K4J said about how he voted at the end of day 0 on the syndicate, it's another reason to not trust him at the moment.

Highly demanding of you for me to have already consistent suspicions. Try not to look so disappointed. I addressed the current topics, the way I always do.

As for K4J's recap of my D0 interactions, you should pay attention to her last sentence. As for my votes, I voted one leading option to take it out of a tie and two other options, in a situation in which it was impossible for me not to create ties, including voting a particular option for the first time, that tied with a similarly low-voted option. I offered my collaboration to mend things if needed later. The poll then got more votes, that led to a no tie final shape. Sounds like a good outcome.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Have I said

OT /OT

[Ricochet]

"Rico! So good to see you. Such a happy day!!!!!"

...no?

ok

[Diiny]

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

[Ricochet]

My main suspicion at this point is Ricco. First of all, he seems to be saying a lot, without really saying anything. Even when he voiced some suspicion, it's done in an "intrigued" tone, as if he's trying to avoid confrontation. If you add to that what K4J said about how he voted at the end of day 0 on the syndicate, it's another reason to not trust him at the moment.

Could you please highlight content from Rico that you'd describe as "saying a lot without really saying anything in an intrigued tone"?

and what does JJJ think about Epi so far.

I don't think anything yet. There isn't enough material to assess.

Just look at the last page. He has a lot of posts. Most jokey. And when he posts something relevant, it's like this:

Is banter early voting common habit on RYM? I'm oscillating between reading bcornett24's vote as such and wanting to hear more from him on why he desired to make such an early vote for no serious reasons.

It's something that makes him look involved, he's bringing something up, but it's the type that can go either side. He plants the seeds. It can catch on, but he isn't questioning him, just throwing an idea out there.

"Wanting to hear more from him" sounds like questioning to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Are you "extremely unhappy" because you think her behavior promotes an anti-town strategy, or because you don't think it promotes a town strategy that resonates with you?

[Roxy]

Ricochet - so good to see ya! Such a great start on this most excellent Sunday.

Dii - get used to it

[bea]

Done with the catching up. I'm a little confused with all the day 0 stuff. It's my fault, so if no one wants to answer me, I'll understand, but I won't be nice about it :P

Please let me know if I got it right. There was a different day 0 for each site, and now it's hidden from us? Where was it? Was it a different thread? I read a PM inviting me for something, and when I tried to access it, I couldn't. I guess I was too late.

Why are there so few females playing?
I find it funny that I'm on the RYM side when I've only played 1.3 games. I must have made an impression :P Or I'm an outsider in every site, so it's easy to toss me around ....Kidding MP.

Voted for FZ for RYM and Roxy for Syndicate.
Because they are awesome.

I didn't even know you were playing? Makes me feel even worse for missing day 0


My main suspicion at this point is Ricco. First of all, he seems to be saying a lot, without really saying anything. Even when he voiced some suspicion, it's done in an "intrigued" tone, as if he's trying to avoid confrontation. If you add to that what K4J said about how he voted at the end of day 0 on the syndicate, it's another reason to not trust him at the moment.

Regarding the whole zebra, JJJ, Epi and Sig situation, zebra comes out looking good from it, Sig doesn't look too bad either, but we'll see.
I do agree with those who said that it's not likely they are all connected, but I would like to know why Epi voted for JJJ just like that, and what does JJJ think about Epi so far.

I expect llama to have a suspect by now, but his answer when asked about it, felt okay to me.


linki: Bea is playing too? Wow, Epic game. I really should look at the list of players

awe.... lil' ole me got the epic game tag? I lurvs you too FZ!!!

I have a history with our dear sockhost. As limited as my free time is, I've only missed 1 game he's hosted. Like ever. Even back in the prog days. I just can't say no to my adopted baby brother. That said, I have so little free time. Like less than when we played death note. So don't be surprised if you don't hear lots from me.

As for rico - he seems fairly rico for me atm. I don't have a good feel for his civ vs his bad game as I've only played a few with him and tbh, I don't remember where he ended on any of them. (This is my fault not his) but his meta seems to be what I'd expect from him.


Also - re: the polls - I wish one of us on the TS side, had been as rententive as MM and grabbed a screen shot. I'm wondering currently if, since both polls were related, that the "winner" (which ever one of three had the most common votes) is the thing that actually happens. This will be interesting to see play out.

Also - re - someone asking about threads that blank out being regular. It's not common. It doesn't happen every game. BUT MP did something similar in his Fight Club game where we had to pick which city we would travel to in order to fight each time till a mechanic finally merged us all into one thread. When we were in one city we couldn't see what was happening in another city. In order to find out we'd have to travel back to that city and read back. With this in mind, I'd say...um...maybe.... not vote for any night option that could be tied to the song "Cities"? I know kids. It hurts me to say it. Cities is srrsly one of my most favorite Talking Heads songs. But with these two blacked out threads and trying to put the pieces back together, maybe that's just too much random?

good god it's weird being in linki AND catching up. lol. Love having people around when I am. I'm just not used to it!!!

[Roxy]

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Seems my randomization post got a "provoking reaction"

[bea]

Have I said

OT /OT

omg!!! jjj!!! more talking please!!!!!!!!!

Rox - yours was great, but nothing in comparision to you singing happy birthday to me. I listen to that shit like once a day.

[Roxy]

<3

[Diiny]

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Are you "extremely unhappy" because you think her behavior promotes an anti-town strategy, or because you don't think it promotes a town strategy that resonates with you?

Both.

I'm unhappy with Roxy because it seems like weak faux-town play: Not actually voting based off of anything, avoiding committing to anything solid or helpful and then blaming that on a lack of evidence that it's a townie's job to extract rather than wait for. Roxy looks like scum trying to look involved but doing so in the least accountable way. But I'm also unhappy because they could well still be town promoting a strategy or playing the game in such a way that, yes, I don't think benefits town at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I know I promised y'all Talking Heads singing if elected as assistant to the CEO. I will pay up in time, I just have to learn the songs first. :P

For now, let me tide you over with CongestedJimmyJay sings Carly Rae Jepsen Way Too Loudly and Coughs a Lot Like a Doofus

(watch the volume, I have no idea how loud it'll be for other people )

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Are you "extremely unhappy" because you think her behavior promotes an anti-town strategy, or because you don't think it promotes a town strategy that resonates with you?

Both.

I'm unhappy with Roxy because it seems like weak faux-town play: Not actually voting based off of anything, avoiding committing to anything solid or helpful and then blaming that on a lack of evidence that it's a townie's job to extract rather than wait for. Roxy looks like scum trying to look involved but doing so in the least accountable way. But I'm also unhappy because they could well still be town promoting a strategy or playing the game in such a way that, yes, I don't think benefits town at all.

She's just made herself an interesting point with regards to your reception of her maneuver. Whaddya think of that?

[bea]

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Seems my randomization post got a "provoking reaction"

It usually does from new peeps. Thanks for taking that bullet.

DIINY - Sorsha does that. She's got limited time too. She responds to what's most current/on topic when she catches up.

Rox and others - tend to Day 1 Day 1. We recognise that ALL arguments are based on very little. The weakest of pings. And lacking anything concrete to go on, we reserve the right to random vote.

Some of us feel that a random vote is as logical as a super weak "I got nothing else woe is me" Day 1 vote and JUST as easily manipulated by mafia as a "random" vote. I know one player that refuses to read the roles till like day 3.

I tend to not get anything near a vibe or feeling till like day 3 myself so I understand the random. I've done it. I've done it regardless of being civ or mafia. (Because even when I'm mafia, lots of our games are two mafia teams and then I still want to find baddies, just not my baddies) It's not done, at least in my part, to with hold info. It's done to find info. Some people find info differently than others. Some jump in and look and prod and question. Some sit back and watch the prodding and questioning and go from there. BOTH are needed for the civ cause.

Different styles for different folks. That's what makes this experiment awesome!

[Diiny]

Dii - get used to it

Your excuse for not actually really playing mafia is 'get used to it?' If you keep playing the way you're playing you're getting a vote. I want to see something solid, meaningful and accountable by day 1 standards from you. I'm not getting used to scumminess, and, if I understand you correctly, that you're asking me to is making me very uncomfortable

[Diiny]

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Seems my randomization post got a "provoking reaction"

True, actually.

Was that your intention? Are you actually going to randomise?

[Roxy]

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Are you "extremely unhappy" because you think her behavior promotes an anti-town strategy, or because you don't think it promotes a town strategy that resonates with you?

Both.

I'm unhappy with Roxy because it seems like weak faux-town play: Not actually voting based off of anything, avoiding committing to anything solid or helpful and then blaming that on a lack of evidence that it's a townie's job to extract rather than wait for. Roxy looks like scum trying to look involved but doing so in the least accountable way. But I'm also unhappy because they could well still be town promoting a strategy or playing the game in such a way that, yes, I don't think benefits town at all.

First I would point out that my randomization post got a "provoking reaction" - from you! (you ignored my post that said as much).

Also being two separate forums and combining play styles I would not be so quick to judge how a person plays nor would I be so condescending to tell someone that they are playing the game in such a way that is not town promoting and makes you unhappy.

So sorry I make you unhappy.

But I have been playing my own way since 2009 and I'll be honest and say i prob won't be changing my style to suit your needs.

linky - uh yah not gonna be taking lessons from Dii's book of mafia this game - again sorry I will play my own way.

Linky again -

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Diiny is whipping up a storm like I was anticipating before, so that's positive. There is however a tonal severity in his treatment of Roxy that surprises me. Diiny, do you have a specific strategic intent when you convey yourself this abrasively? Show me your mindset.

[Diiny]

I'll spill the beans when you tell me whether or not it was your intention to provoke reactions with your threat of randomizing, bls

[bea]

whether she does or not, I reserve the right to.

[thellama73]

Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

This is very true, and I'm voting for you.

[thellama73]

There are different types of baddies. There's Sir Belendsalot, there's Mr. "Look How Helpful I am Being, Guys!", there's Empty Statement Lass. Then there's Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader.

I am reading Diiny as this last type.

[Diiny]

How would you feel if I told you I've attempted to tried my Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader strats as town on multiple occasions, and got lynched as town in the last game for the reason you're suggesting?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Diiny, I need you to talk to me. If I have developed any ability to read Syndicate games at all yet, I'd say you're the most likely player on Day 1 to be lynched right now as a direct result of your recent content. If you're town, I need you to give me confidence of that with open and continuous dialogue. You're an asset if you're on my side, but for the moment I harbor doubts.

[FZ.]

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Are you "extremely unhappy" because you think her behavior promotes an anti-town strategy, or because you don't think it promotes a town strategy that resonates with you?

Both.

I'm unhappy with Roxy because it seems like weak faux-town play: Not actually voting based off of anything, avoiding committing to anything solid or helpful and then blaming that on a lack of evidence that it's a townie's job to extract rather than wait for. Roxy looks like scum trying to look involved but doing so in the least accountable way. But I'm also unhappy because they could well still be town promoting a strategy or playing the game in such a way that, yes, I don't think benefits town at all.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you until your recent posts, right after I asked how it would look like when you actually discussed suspicions.

As much as too much fluff distracts from the game, I am trusting Roxy more than I am Ricco exactly because she's mainly posting fluff and doesn't seem to be bothered by how she appears, while Ricco is trying to be jokey and throw some thoughts in the middle just to look contributing, but that don't look genuine to me at all. I've seen his answers and they don't make me look better.

[Roxy]

I'll spill the beans when you tell me whether or not it was your intention to provoke reactions with your threat of randomizing, bls

Both -

your turn

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How would you feel if I told you I've attempted to tried my Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader strats as town on multiple occasions, and got lynched as town in the last game for the reason you're suggesting?

I observe effort but not necessarily hard aggression. The latter is the variable of note in this discussion.

[FZ.]

Diiny, was it just a coincidence that you started voicing actual thoughts right after I asked about it, or was it a reply to my question?

[thellama73]

How would you feel if I told you I've attempted to tried my Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader strats as town on multiple occasions, and got lynched as town in the last game for the reason you're suggesting?

Yeah, that happens to me a lot too.

Current track: Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - Joke Shop Man (1:23)

[Choutas]

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Voting random people with no concrete evidence is just as good to get the ball rolling. Random voting phase is a legitimate strategy and not something we made up on rym. If only more people voted randomly and sparked discussion on day...if only.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Are you "extremely unhappy" because you think her behavior promotes an anti-town strategy, or because you don't think it promotes a town strategy that resonates with you?

He's playing hardball on day 1. He's probably overreacting to provoke reactions. Kinda like Macdougall with a condom.

[Diiny]

I'll spill the beans when you tell me whether or not it was your intention to provoke reactions with your threat of randomizing, bls

Both -

your turn

I like to go hard and fling shit on day 1, using pressure to gauge reactions not only from the person I'm putting pressure on but from other players, too. If you felt I was being needlessly condescending or aggressive I apologise as that's not my direct intention at all. It does help get the shitstorm brewing, though.

I'm not asking you to change you to convert to those holy words in the Book of Diiny, but I'm nonetheless unapologetically cracking down on behaviour I find potentially anti-town/scummy to try to better understand the motives behind it and hence get a better idea of where I stand on you, provoking reactions for everyone in the process.

And as much as I appreciate that this is your playstyle, there's only so much clemency that being on-meta can invoke from me when that playstyle really doesn't seem that pro-town to me.

[Diiny]

Diiny, was it just a coincidence that you started voicing actual thoughts right after I asked about it, or was it a reply to my question?

I saw that after I got stuck in. Looking back at it though it was posted when I was going through the thread replying to shit with some bantz, so I approve of the sentiment

[bea]

I am currently listening to Futurama. I find that music tends to wind me up and I need to wind down now.

but Futurama reminds me of Flyin' High and her Futurama game where I was Santa Claus. I miss Flyin' High. Like lots. {/ot]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He's playing hardball on day 1. He's probably overreacting to provoke reactions. Kinda like Macdougall with a condom.

I think this could be the case. It's a harder variety of hardball than I can recall seeing from Diiny though, so I want him to talk about that. He's also slagging behind in this real-time discourse. Diiny I'm uncomfortable. Come make me feel better. You're methods are highly congruent with mine so long as our alignments align.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Choutas, you've helped a few people by explaining their behavior in a pro-town manner, and your explanations have been valid. I do wonder though whether you've been viewing the thread through the opposite lens: is anything suspicious to you yet?

[Ricochet]

Oh no, FZ is in Serious Business mode. I don't know why you treat me so bad. Think of all the things we could have had.

I am not bothered with how I appear in this game, either. Not one bit. I made a statement to the other players, back in the private Syndicate thread, but it's now vanished. It's not my fault you joined the RYM camp and now you seem to be lashing at me for not seeming as consistent as you'd expect like me to be, just because you have such meta on me from previous games.

Anyway, what I said over there can summed like this: I'm immersing in the theme. Incidentally, the Host happened to also issue a contest that totally justifies my plan to have fun and be zany. TH is fun and zany music, so I plan to have fun and be zany. This will not affect my regular gameplay, only add a dimension to it. As for my regular gameplay, I repeat that you may pretend too much from me, 10 hours into Day 1. You're saying I'm talking a lot, without saying anything, but you're accusing me without bringing too much just as well. If you're clinging on the my post on b24, I literally pointed out that I actually questioned him. If my replies haven't satisfied you, it's you shutting the door, not me.

Don't like fun? Lo siento. Take it easy, take it easy.

[bea]

I'll spill the beans when you tell me whether or not it was your intention to provoke reactions with your threat of randomizing, bls

Both -

your turn

I like to go hard and fling shit on day 1, using pressure to gauge reactions not only from the person I'm putting pressure on but from other players, too. If you felt I was being needlessly condescending or aggressive I apologise as that's not my direct intention at all. It does help get the shitstorm brewing, though.

I'm not asking you to change you to convert to those holy words in the Book of Diiny, but I'm nonetheless unapologetically cracking down on behaviour I find potentially anti-town/scummy to try to better understand the motives behind it and hence get a better idea of where I stand on you, provoking reactions for everyone in the process.

And as much as I appreciate that this is your playstyle, there's only so much clemency that being on-meta can invoke from me when that playstyle really doesn't seem that pro-town to me.

I don't think random day 1 votes is anti-town.

I think random day 2 votes and beyond are anti-town.

But day 1? No I just don't philosophically believe it.

If there were a REALLY great case, maybe I would vote for it. If there were one that was stronger than most of the day 1 cases I read, I might vote for it. But if there is one niggle of doubt about that day 1 case, one thing that might make me think that person could be wrong or could be trying to manipulate me.. YES. I would rather throw my vote on a random person than help lynch a potential civ teammate on shite reasons. How is that anti-town?

This is a philosophical argument and both sides are right in their own way.

I see your side. Can you at least see why people like rox and I might think the way we do? And still have completely civ reasons for doing like we do? As I said several posts ago, both sides are valuable to the civ cause.

[FZ.]

Oh no, FZ is in Serious Business mode. I don't know why you treat me so bad. Think of all the things we could have had.

I am not bothered with how I appear in this game, either. Not one bit. I made a statement to the other players, back in the private Syndicate thread, but it's now vanished. It's not my fault you joined the RYM camp and now you seem to be lashing at me for not seeming as consistent as you'd expect like me to be, just because you have such meta on me from previous games.

Anyway, what I said over there can summed like this: I'm immersing in the theme. Incidentally, the Host happened to also issue a contest that totally justifies my plan to have fun and be zany. TH is fun and zany music, so I plan to have fun and be zany. This will not affect my regular gameplay, only add a dimension to it. As for my regular gameplay, I repeat that you may pretend too much from me, 10 hours into Day 1. You're saying I'm talking a lot, without saying anything, but you're accusing me without bringing too much just as well. If you're clinging on the my post on b24, I literally pointed out that I actually questioned him. If my replies haven't satisfied you, it's you shutting the door, not me.

Don't like fun? Lo siento. Take it easy, take it easy.

I don't have a meta on you from other games. It was just my observation of this game. As for the questioning you claim you did, that wasn't my interpretation of what you did, but okay, I'm backing off a little to make sure I'm not having a tunnel vision.


On to someone else, quiet Epi is never a good thing...

[Diiny]

How would you feel if I told you I've attempted to tried my Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader strats as town on multiple occasions, and got lynched as town in the last game for the reason you're suggesting?

I observe effort but not necessarily hard aggression. The latter is the variable of note in this discussion.

I think you can look at my post history there re thoronir and see the same kind of aggression I'm using in this thread. I also got really pissy at aokiji in that one game where TCB won and I was town.

What does my aggression matter, though? I'm playing the same strats, do you think the intensity of doing so reflects on my alignment? You know, J, that I can feign Scumhunt von Threadleader without getting hyperbolic or over-aggressive. I'm wondering what's making you pursue this line of questioning.

[Choutas]

Choutas, you've helped a few people by explaining their behavior in a pro-town manner, and your explanations have been valid. I do wonder though whether you've been viewing the thread through the opposite lens: is anything suspicious to you yet?

The sample is quite small. Most RYMers have barely posted and I have no idea how to judge the Syndicators. Usually when someone acts aggressively I view that as a towntell. There is always a degree of patience and neutrality to a good scum play.
I think the Ricochet vs FZ is a good start. Rico's reaction looks a bit forced and unconvincing.

[Diiny]

Oh no, FZ is in Serious Business mode. I don't know why you treat me so bad. Think of all the things we could have had.

I am not bothered with how I appear in this game, either. Not one bit. I made a statement to the other players, back in the private Syndicate thread, but it's now vanished. It's not my fault you joined the RYM camp and now you seem to be lashing at me for not seeming as consistent as you'd expect like me to be, just because you have such meta on me from previous games.

Anyway, what I said over there can summed like this: I'm immersing in the theme. Incidentally, the Host happened to also issue a contest that totally justifies my plan to have fun and be zany. TH is fun and zany music, so I plan to have fun and be zany. This will not affect my regular gameplay, only add a dimension to it. As for my regular gameplay, I repeat that you may pretend too much from me, 10 hours into Day 1. You're saying I'm talking a lot, without saying anything, but you're accusing me without bringing too much just as well. If you're clinging on the my post on b24, I literally pointed out that I actually questioned him. If my replies haven't satisfied you, it's you shutting the door, not me.

Don't like fun? Lo siento. Take it easy, take it easy.

I don't have a meta on you from other games. It was just my observation of this game. As for the questioning you claim you did, that wasn't my interpretation of what you did, but okay, I'm backing off a little to make sure I'm not having a tunnel vision.


On to someone else, quiet Epi is never a good thing...

Don't back off, FZ. If you've anything to fling at me, fling it.

[Diiny]

I'll spill the beans when you tell me whether or not it was your intention to provoke reactions with your threat of randomizing, bls

Both -

your turn

I like to go hard and fling shit on day 1, using pressure to gauge reactions not only from the person I'm putting pressure on but from other players, too. If you felt I was being needlessly condescending or aggressive I apologise as that's not my direct intention at all. It does help get the shitstorm brewing, though.

I'm not asking you to change you to convert to those holy words in the Book of Diiny, but I'm nonetheless unapologetically cracking down on behaviour I find potentially anti-town/scummy to try to better understand the motives behind it and hence get a better idea of where I stand on you, provoking reactions for everyone in the process.

And as much as I appreciate that this is your playstyle, there's only so much clemency that being on-meta can invoke from me when that playstyle really doesn't seem that pro-town to me.

I don't think random day 1 votes is anti-town.

I think random day 2 votes and beyond are anti-town.

But day 1? No I just don't philosophically believe it.

If there were a REALLY great case, maybe I would vote for it. If there were one that was stronger than most of the day 1 cases I read, I might vote for it. But if there is one niggle of doubt about that day 1 case, one thing that might make me think that person could be wrong or could be trying to manipulate me.. YES. I would rather throw my vote on a random person than help lynch a potential civ teammate on shite reasons. How is that anti-town?

This is a philosophical argument and both sides are right in their own way.

I see your side. Can you at least see why people like rox and I might think the way we do? And still have completely civ reasons for doing like we do? As I said several posts ago, both sides are valuable to the civ cause.

Yes, I can definitely see and to some level appreciate the mindset behind day 1 random voting even if I don't agree with the strat (we've caught many a scum on day 1 without any bussing), but saying that isn't exactly conducive to putting on pressure like I was trying to do.

You see, my beef wasn't with the random voting per se, it was that I didn't know WHY it was being done/suggested, and that I had a lot of fears that it may be a scum move for scum reasons, hence my attack. Get me, fam?

[FZ.]

Bea, if you have the slightest suspicion, wouldn't it be better to throw your vote that way instead of voting randomly? There are more civvies than baddies in the game, so a random vote has a higher likelihood of getting civvies dead. If you vote according to your suspicion, even if you end up lynching a townie, it gets discussion going, you can see how others respond to it, and more.


linki: Diiny, the backing off was from Ricco, and I'm backing off a little. I want to follow other paths as well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How would you feel if I told you I've attempted to tried my Detective Aggressive Scumhunt von Threadleader strats as town on multiple occasions, and got lynched as town in the last game for the reason you're suggesting?

I observe effort but not necessarily hard aggression. The latter is the variable of note in this discussion.

I think you can look at my post history there re thoronir and see the same kind of aggression I'm using in this thread. I also got really pissy at aokiji in that one game where TCB won and I was town.

What does my aggression matter, though? I'm playing the same strats, do you think the intensity of doing so reflects on my alignment? You know, J, that I can feign Scumhunt von Threadleader without getting hyperbolic or over-aggressive. I'm wondering what's making you pursue this line of questioning.

My concern is that you opened your aggression against Roxy more fervently than was sensible, potentially evidencing that you forced that aggression for the sake of appearance instead of reaction-generation. My assertion here is that you would have made a mistake. I'm not sure that's what happened. Is there an alternative explanation for your aggression beyond just generating reactions?