[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not sure I understand the argument that I was forcing the aggression for the sake of appearance when you yourself just claimed I don't normally act this aggressively.

Either way, to answer your questions I do what I do to a) generate reactions and b) put pressure on people. I don't understand what you're saying about my 'mistake', do you think I went overboard as town or that I'm failing to emulate as scum?

My assertion is that you'd have gone overboard as scum. I don't think you'd necessarily be trying to emulate your town game in this case, but rather promoting a harsher strategy of aggression for the sake of appearance because of the coercive effects that behaviour can have on the people reading your content.

I'm going to move my vote elsewhere though. You're engaging this suspicion well enough.

I understand that you think there's a reason for scum to use aggression, and I don't contest that, but why does going overboard hint at scum-aggression rather than town-aggression? Both require aggression that's forced to some extent, and so one can go overboard on both. I want to make sure I understand your concerns/arguments

The material that motivates that aggression is what I'd use as the measuring stick to make that distinction. I thought your degree of aggression was sharp enough relative to Roxy's behavior that I was unsure of your sincerity.

[Long Con]

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

[Diiny]

our track record - across several sites - is not statistically as good as yours is claiming to be.

I go into games assuming that unless the town is DAMN lucky - we are prolly lynching a civ.

I know Rox from several forums as well. I know she has the same experience as I have had. I don't yet know her alligmnment, but I understand where she is coming from day 1.

As for why - I'm guessing to fleedge out the new site members. It's an OLD argument for us on this site. And sometimes it pops up again even with experienced peeps who've played 11tybillion games with all of us. (*coff*sockhost*coff*)

BUT - you at least can see the other side. It's more than some do. I applaud you for that. Also - I don't think rox was doing it for scum reasons. I think she was also stirring the pot to see what shook out - and you were what shook out. Get me fam?

i so don't know what "get me, fam?" means, I just wanted to look cool. God being an old lady sucks. someone give me new slang that doesn't make me look lame!! I'm tired of my staff laughing at me!!! I'm good with language, I swear I won't nub it!!

I appreciate that you're used to the strategy, but alongside a lack of any other meaningful contributions it seems more likely to me that roxy played it not out of the intrinsic value you see in the strategy but due to the benefits it would give scum to play it that I mentioned earlier.

So the logical question that follows is: Has she had any helpful content besides this apparent trap/fleedge strategy in your opinion?

"Get me, fam?" translates approximately to "I do so hope I've made myself clear; is that the case, family?"

No. And I'm not sure yet if she's civ or scum. that's exactly my point. I don't know yet. IF she is civ she's a great asset. I would hate to get rid of someone who would be awesome to our cause for something so simple as she's OT and she went random.

Rox spent a lot of time in MY home mafia forum. Hedville. And it's like the forgotten step child of the rest of our forums. We were all about the zany OT and the fun. Our motto was srrsbns is NOT our bnss. I can't judge her allignment because it's day 1 and day 1 is kinda a wash while it's going down. After the lynch, after the night phase - then we can talk.

Let us see if she a) random votes b) who it's for and c) if anyone else goes along with it.

If 3 other people "random" there, I might look her way. If she "random" votes and it's all by it's self, I might not.

I guess the crux of this is that I personally don't see 'OT and random voting' as just a trivial concern, even if it is on-meta, nor do I consider someone being an asset when they're town a good reason to not question someone's towniness (although MP said that one time and turned out to be town, maybe it's a TS thing.)

[Diiny]

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

Hi,

what are your thoughts on the game so far outside of bea

[bea]

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

Srrsly? Lamest day 1 vote ever LC. I haven't stated at all who I think is civ with confidence. My whole argument is I don't know yet who is or isn't . It's like you aren't even reading my posts....

I expect better from you tbh.

[Roxy]

Seeing the melding of communities is going to be so fucking awesome! Some styles will be the same and others so different. It is exciting!

This will be another post Dii will be hating me for.

Linky bea

[bea]

our track record - across several sites - is not statistically as good as yours is claiming to be.

I go into games assuming that unless the town is DAMN lucky - we are prolly lynching a civ.

I know Rox from several forums as well. I know she has the same experience as I have had. I don't yet know her alligmnment, but I understand where she is coming from day 1.

As for why - I'm guessing to fleedge out the new site members. It's an OLD argument for us on this site. And sometimes it pops up again even with experienced peeps who've played 11tybillion games with all of us. (*coff*sockhost*coff*)

BUT - you at least can see the other side. It's more than some do. I applaud you for that. Also - I don't think rox was doing it for scum reasons. I think she was also stirring the pot to see what shook out - and you were what shook out. Get me fam?

i so don't know what "get me, fam?" means, I just wanted to look cool. God being an old lady sucks. someone give me new slang that doesn't make me look lame!! I'm tired of my staff laughing at me!!! I'm good with language, I swear I won't nub it!!

I appreciate that you're used to the strategy, but alongside a lack of any other meaningful contributions it seems more likely to me that roxy played it not out of the intrinsic value you see in the strategy but due to the benefits it would give scum to play it that I mentioned earlier.

So the logical question that follows is: Has she had any helpful content besides this apparent trap/fleedge strategy in your opinion?

"Get me, fam?" translates approximately to "I do so hope I've made myself clear; is that the case, family?"

No. And I'm not sure yet if she's civ or scum. that's exactly my point. I don't know yet. IF she is civ she's a great asset. I would hate to get rid of someone who would be awesome to our cause for something so simple as she's OT and she went random.

Rox spent a lot of time in MY home mafia forum. Hedville. And it's like the forgotten step child of the rest of our forums. We were all about the zany OT and the fun. Our motto was srrsbns is NOT our bnss. I can't judge her allignment because it's day 1 and day 1 is kinda a wash while it's going down. After the lynch, after the night phase - then we can talk.

Let us see if she a) random votes b) who it's for and c) if anyone else goes along with it.

If 3 other people "random" there, I might look her way. If she "random" votes and it's all by it's self, I might not.

I guess the crux of this is that I personally don't see 'OT and random voting' as just a trivial concern, even if it is on-meta, nor do I consider someone being an asset when they're town a good reason to not question someone's towniness (although MP said that one time and turned out to be town, maybe it's a TS thing.)

I get where you are coming from. I do. I am just saying I'm not there yet for these reasons. Maybe down the road I will be there, but I don't feel it yet. Ya know?

[bea]

Seeing the melding of communities is going to be so fucking awesome! Some styles will be the same and others so different. It is exciting!

This will be another post Dii will be hating me for.

Linky bea

Also just now noticed your wabbit avi. I miss that bitch. He'd be all over lc's lame vote for me too.

[Diiny]

Seeing the melding of communities is going to be so fucking awesome! Some styles will be the same and others so different. It is exciting!

This will be another post Dii will be hating me for.

Linky bea

I've made it clear that I've got nothing against different styles, Roxy, and you pushing the agenda that I'm only happy with one style of play is getting old

[Roxy]

it is bc I am old Dii <3

and I was joking sorry if that was not apparent.

[Diiny]

it is bc I am old Dii <3

and I was joking sorry if that was not apparent.

clearly I need [joke] tags

[Marmot]

Here, lemme make you imply some more: Are you bad?

Is my milk bad?

Nope, it doesn't expire for 4 more days.

[Ricochet]

I will conclude myself for now (another Sunday afternoon spent on the forum, yaaaayyyy...same as it...ever...). Thoughts on other developments, later.

Changeable votes do nothing for me personally, they're rarely implemented here and even then my MO is still voting towards the deadline, once deliberating on something after a Day phase. RVS'ing, if a choice meant to breeze past Day 1, will be seriously frowned upon by Syndicateers, myself included. Otherwise, if it's meant for fishing or setting in motion any discussion early on, I can see the flavour to it, because it's quite the same as fishing or setting in motion any discussion by sussing in writing. But whether the votes stick to the initial reasoning or develop should still be under scrutiny and that will be my intention as well.

So far the votes for rundontwalk seems to engage with him not being as active as expected. Roxy's vote...well, first of all, I hope she eventually unrandomizes it from me ... reads more like banter (towards me posting so much, I guess) and like intentionally wanting a reaction out of the field; it's not strong and it doesn't clear her, but there's no arguing of her bantering ways. For me, on the low end of the spectrum, is b24's fluff post. I'm waiting to hear on his justification, as I've said, but it's the "breeziest" vote from the bunch and based on activity (or lack thereof), so far.

[Ricochet]

Here, lemme make you imply some more: Are you bad?

Is my milk bad?

Nope, it doesn't expire for 4 more days.

Take a look at these bants!

[Marmot]

I would normally start off with a vote for sleepystalinist, but he is not here so instead, I'll vote for motel room because he has something to do with sleeping.

Hey bcornett24, usually even random votes are accompanied by a semi-relevant reason (hey, like this one!). What's your objective with this one, m8?

The only reason I can think of for a random vote is fate.

Hey RYMers, let me give you a little insight on some things that are either polarizing or unpopular on The Syndicate, so you can do them even more to drive them nuts.

~ rainbow lists
~ broadcasting your town reads
~ ISO analyses

Sorry I've not been about today. Just skimmed for a quick catch up and well done guys on figuring out how are polls align, thats impressive work. Did you guys also have the 'no ties' rule? I wonder if your options ended up in a similar place to us.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that the 7 person mafia team were fully aware of the poll on both sides, managed to figure out its meaning somewhat, and manipulated it towards what they thought were the best ends. In that case, it would be particular epic if anyone was as terrifyingly anal as MM and had the poll from Syndicate side.

I must get directly to bed, will catch up further tomorrow.

All I did was go into offline mode and open up some pages from the previous day. I'm pretty sure anyone has the ability to do that.

THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SARC TAGS, JAY!

Naw, there might actually be strategic value to this if people really pursue it as something meaningful. Anyone that has even played one game with me knows I was joking when I called myself a low poster.

Like you, Diiny, my protege. What do you think?

By the looks of it, you and Zebra have never played together before. Not only that, but nobody seems to remember this particular back-and-forth except for the two of you.

What if you were just trying to give Zebra an incorrect impression of your playstyle?

I also promised these five players I would not vote for them today.

• DrWilgy
  thellama73
  Sorsha
  birdwithteeth11
  Devin the Omniscient

Because this is a crime against the state.

You should have voted me for CEO, not this fellow who's leaving for Sweden.

THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SARC TAGS, JAY!

Naw, there might actually be strategic value to this if people really pursue it as something meaningful. Anyone that has even played one game with me knows I was joking when I called myself a low poster.

Like you, Diiny, my protege. What do you think?

Yeah, I'm messing around. That said, I'm happy with Zeb's reaction to it considering he didn't know; I doubt mine would've differed too much. I've seen good day 1 cases originally based off of much less. I'm gonna be watching the rest of his day 1 pretty carefully, because I want to know whether he's out to find some scum, or whether he's off to just rip into onto the first baby gazelle he can spot, if you catch my drift.

There's definitely a history of scum players asking non questions like 'are you scum' and 'why are you scum', though. Strawhenge in Bowiemafsprung to mind... https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... msg5882983 (I'm not sure how the TS legal system works but despite this being RYM case law I submit that you consider it as highly influential)

I recall that game, mainly because rdw fell for my WIFOM trap, and I let him get away with it.

[Marmot]

kk caught all up - not too many posts - yet (lets keep it that way JJJ )

Thoughts

Leave it to MP/Sloonei to match the polls - I do like how The Syndicater's knew what we were really voting for instead of RYM'er's bc they would have had 0 idea wtf they were doing.

RBzddkktlamndt - No thank ye for my vote how rude!

Not seeing anything that I would vote over quite yet but it is early - I am tempted to say I will randomize if nothing concrete happens just to start a shitstorm - I think I will.

I am gonna randomize my vote if nothing that I consider concrete happens.

Have I said

And a happy day came to me.

[Ricochet]

Sorry I've not been about today. Just skimmed for a quick catch up and well done guys on figuring out how are polls align, thats impressive work. Did you guys also have the 'no ties' rule? I wonder if your options ended up in a similar place to us.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that the 7 person mafia team were fully aware of the poll on both sides, managed to figure out its meaning somewhat, and manipulated it towards what they thought were the best ends. In that case, it would be particular epic if anyone was as terrifyingly anal as MM and had the poll from Syndicate side.

I must get directly to bed, will catch up further tomorrow.

All I did was go into offline mode and open up some pages from the previous day. I'm pretty sure anyone has the ability to do that.

Yet one may ask himself: huh?!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

By the looks of it, you and Zebra have never played together before. Not only that, but nobody seems to remember this particular back-and-forth except for the two of you.

What if you were just trying to give Zebra an incorrect impression of your playstyle?

Whether anyone else remembers this is definitely irrelevant because Zebra remembers it. I posted it in the thread and he can tell you as much. Which brings me to ask you what exactly you're trying to say?

If we can logically surmise that I posted this in the game thread where everyone else could see it, then I don't think you can logically state that I was trying to specifically fool Zebra for any strategic purpose.

Anyone who has played with me at least once, which means every single person in that Day 0 thread except Zebra and TF73, is well aware that I am absolutely not a low poster. I was goofing around with a player who doesn't know how I play.

[Roxy]

MM - I voted for LC not the person going to Sweden *Bork! Bork! Bork!*

[Long Con]

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

Srrsly? Lamest day 1 vote ever LC. I haven't stated at all who I think is civ with confidence. My whole argument is I don't know yet who is or isn't . It's like you aren't even reading my posts....

I expect better from you tbh.

If you say so. My vote is staying where it is for now.

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

Hi,

what are your thoughts on the game so far outside of bea

Hmmm... well, there's been lots of activity since I went to bed last night. I just read through it all, what sticks out in my mind? The Roxy thing is funny to me (though I don't like her use of someone else's avatar because it confuses me). I feel a bit of a dissonance, Roxy is getting harassed for saying she was going to randomize, and at the same time people are saying that Random Voting on Day 1 is a sound strategy. So which is it? I'm not a big fan of random voting myself, I'd rather read through and see what my gut says on Day 1 than throw a dart. Which is why I have a vote on bea.

I don't think it's that likely that JJJ, Epig and the other person all voted as baddies together. Too risky. The votes for JJJ and Wilgy seemed pretty natural to me, as I recall.

More opinions about Day 1 so far will have to wait until I look back over things again. I read through it once, but it hasn't all sunk in yet - it's a little harder for me to get a handle on things with all the players that are new to me, the new people kind of blend together.

[Marmot]

By the looks of it, you and Zebra have never played together before. Not only that, but nobody seems to remember this particular back-and-forth except for the two of you.

What if you were just trying to give Zebra an incorrect impression of your playstyle?

Whether anyone else remembers this is definitely irrelevant because Zebra remembers it. I posted it in the thread and he can tell you as much. Which brings me to ask you what exactly you're trying to say?

If we can logically surmise that I posted this in the game thread where everyone else could see it, then I don't think you can logically state that I was trying to specifically fool Zebra for any strategic purpose.

Anyone who has played with me at least once, which means every single person in that Day 0 thread except Zebra and TF73, is well aware that I am absolutely not a low poster. I was goofing around with a player who doesn't know how I play.

Sounds reasonable.

Linki: Lol Roxy, I see what you did there.

Linki: @LC, from my experience, the point of the RVS isn't to randomly lynch someone on Day 1, but to place a vote to garner discussion, to eventually develop a better-educated Day 1 lynch. I didn't call my Day 1 vote an RVS vote, but one could argue that it is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Note: I think random voting is perfectly fine early in Day 1 to facilitate discussion. I think a vote at the end of Day 1 really should not be random. It should be supported by some tangible thought process.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Which is basically what MM just said, so okay. :P

[Marmot]

Have I said

OT /OT

omg!!! jjj!!! more talking please!!!!!!!!!

Rox - yours was great, but nothing in comparision to you singing happy birthday to me. I listen to that shit like once a day.

Roxy sings happy birthday. I'd like to hear that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

Srrsly? Lamest day 1 vote ever LC. I haven't stated at all who I think is civ with confidence. My whole argument is I don't know yet who is or isn't . It's like you aren't even reading my posts....

I expect better from you tbh.

If you say so. My vote is staying where it is for now.

Long Con, could you please point to posts by bea that do not align with her claim that "her whole argument is she doesn't know yet who is or isn't civ"? You might not buy into her refutation of your accusation, but I need more than a blank dismissal.

[Marmot]

On to someone else, quiet Epi is never a good thing...

I will post in concurring crimson to agree with this statement.

[sig]

First thing first what is an ISO post?

On Diiny he does seem to be being to aggressive, tone reading his posts I don't like them and would consider voting for him this phase. As well as the way he has targeted Roxy, out of the two I'm reading Diiny as scum more so then Roxy.

Jay's responses to Diiny was interesting it seems like he is trying to offer Diiny a way out of his behavior without directly doing so. This could just be because he thinks he is a strong civilian player and trying to help a fellow forum member, however if one were to flip mafia I would be inclined to think the other is as well.

I agree with Bea sentiment to not lynch Roxy based on random posting.
I dislike Long Con's lynch vote.

linki: To Long Con I'm just the "other guy" it seems. If I was the suspicious type I would say he used this wording on purpose hoping someone would pick up on it and see it as an attempt by Long Con to distance himself from me. Which would lead players to become suspicious and eventually lynch me. Good thing I'm not the suspicious type he probably just forgot my name.

[Marmot]

Day 1 is an extremely important phase, and when taken seriously it can be highly productive for town/civs. If the day is highly active and everyone makes their best effort to be involved in the continuing discussion, then there will be enough content for real, genuine suspicion to exist. And I would ask the Syndicateers to remember that in this game, if the town wins the game all of the town wins, dead or alive. This means we can be cooperative and transparent in the thread, and be less concerned about evading night kills and more concerned about eliminating the bad guys. That starts right now.

Actually, I did notice that, but I can't say that I let it impact my playstyle.

I'll keep it in mind. Maybe I'll even post a rainbow list.

[Marmot]

First thing first what is an ISO post?

An ISO is an isolated look at a players posts, essentially in a vacuum, so to try to get a better idea of their intentions and/or relations without being impacted by another players' thoughts on that player. That's how I've understood it.

[Choutas]

First thing first what is an ISO post?

On Diiny he does seem to be being to aggressive, tone reading his posts I don't like them and would consider voting for him this phase. As well as the way he has targeted Roxy, out of the two I'm reading Diiny as scum more so then Roxy.

Jay's responses to Diiny was interesting it seems like he is trying to offer Diiny a way out of his behavior without directly doing so. This could just be because he thinks he is a strong civilian player and trying to help a fellow forum member, however if one were to flip mafia I would be inclined to think the other is as well.

I agree with Bea sentiment to not lynch Roxy based on random posting.
I dislike Long Con's lynch vote.

linki: To Long Con I'm just the "other guy" it seems. If I was the suspicious type I would say he used this wording on purpose hoping someone would pick up on it and see it as an attempt by Long Con to distance himself from me. Which would lead players to become suspicious and eventually lynch me. Good thing I'm not the suspicious type he probably just forgot my name.

I think ISO posts are isolated posts about players deeds and controversies. One tries to shed light into some other player's actions.

[sig]

Okay thank you for the clarification Choutas/MM

[Long Con]

First thing first what is an ISO post?

On Diiny he does seem to be being to aggressive, tone reading his posts I don't like them and would consider voting for him this phase. As well as the way he has targeted Roxy, out of the two I'm reading Diiny as scum more so then Roxy.

Jay's responses to Diiny was interesting it seems like he is trying to offer Diiny a way out of his behavior without directly doing so. This could just be because he thinks he is a strong civilian player and trying to help a fellow forum member, however if one were to flip mafia I would be inclined to think the other is as well.

I agree with Bea sentiment to not lynch Roxy based on random posting.
I dislike Long Con's lynch vote.

linki: To Long Con I'm just the "other guy" it seems. If I was the suspicious type I would say he used this wording on purpose hoping someone would pick up on it and see it as an attempt by Long Con to distance himself from me. Which would lead players to become suspicious and eventually lynch me. Good thing I'm not the suspicious type he probably just forgot my name.

Sorry, sig, I just really couldn't remember who the third player involved was. I think it's because your name is so short and lowercase, maybe. Let's not have distance. *offers hug*

I'll go back and let you know what I saw in bea's posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay's responses to Diiny was interesting it seems like he is trying to offer Diiny a way out of his behavior without directly doing so. This could just be because he thinks he is a strong civilian player and trying to help a fellow forum member, however if one were to flip mafia I would be inclined to think the other is as well.

I take this risk willingly and openly.

Diiny is known on RYM for playing at a fast pace on Day 1 using methods that very familiar to me personally. I think he and I can work very effectively together if we're both town, and I don't want a player who promises to be active and provide significant effort to be lynched without thoroughly assessing each angle of his content. I think it's valid to be suspicious of Diiny for his aggressiveness, but that suspicion is not especially substantial.

I sought to either increase the substance of my suspicion or to cancel it by communicating plainly with Diiny, including blatantly telling him that what he was doing could very well get him lynched here if he doesn't explain himself adequately. His responses were good enough for me to move on with my Day 1 focus, with the only remaining misgiving being that it took too long for him to really start talking to me (something I think could be the result of my own bias).

Moreover, if he does fall under heavy fire as it appears he might from the non-RYM population in this thread, I want to have the confidence in him as a town-read to defend him. I was almost pleading with him to talk to me for that reason. I'm not quite there though, for the moment it will be his job to defend himself.

[Roxy]

Be careful with ISO's sig bc they do islolate posts and then the meaning of your post can get lost out of context.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Be careful with ISO's sig bc they do islolate posts and then the meaning of your post can get lost out of context.

This can happen, certainly. Which is why I'd encourage anyone who feels they've been taken out of context to say so, and to judge the ISOing analyst for whether that contextual discrepancy was intentional.

[Marmot]

Be careful with ISO's sig bc they do islolate posts and then the meaning of your post can get lost out of context.

This can happen, certainly. Which is why I'd encourage anyone who feels they've been taken out of context to say so, and to judge the ISOing analyst for whether that contextual discrepancy was intentional.

Why are we encouraging judgment of other players in a mafia game?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Be careful with ISO's sig bc they do islolate posts and then the meaning of your post can get lost out of context.

This can happen, certainly. Which is why I'd encourage anyone who feels they've been taken out of context to say so, and to judge the ISOing analyst for whether that contextual discrepancy was intentional.

Why are we encouraging judgment of other players in a mafia game?

Sarcasm aside, I think it's a little too common for those things to be taken as intentional smears instead of misinterpretations or errors.

[Marmot]

I think the most difficult part is remaining objective. As soon as I see one or two posts that look like baddie behavior to me, I begin trying to read and interpret everything as bad. I haven't gotten the hang of it yet.

[Ricochet]

Which is basically what MM just said, so okay. :P

Me too, earlier.

Ignored as I ever was.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Which is basically what MM just said, so okay. :P

Me too, earlier.

And by so many mafia players before us.

[Long Con]

I have my doubts that most mafia teams would be concerned enough with a "Dusk 0" poll that they'd deliberately coordinate their votes beyond a couple people maybe on any one person.

I can testify from experience that a) its not unheard of but also b) it's really really really not a good move to make. I remember one game I played on another site where all but one of our team voted for an advantage to one of our teammates on day 0. After she flipped bad, the civs picked us off one by one. Except the one guy who didn't vote with us. He laughed at us bts. He laughed lots. I still hear his laughter.

bea agrees that the Mafia wouldn't coordinate their votes so early. So, that's the first instance of an opinion of "not-Mafia".

My main suspicion at this point is Ricco. First of all, he seems to be saying a lot, without really saying anything. Even when he voiced some suspicion, it's done in an "intrigued" tone, as if he's trying to avoid confrontation. If you add to that what K4J said about how he voted at the end of day 0 on the syndicate, it's another reason to not trust him at the moment.

As for rico - he seems fairly rico for me atm. I don't have a good feel for his civ vs his bad game as I've only played a few with him and tbh, I don't remember where he ended on any of them. (This is my fault not his) but his meta seems to be what I'd expect from him.

I snipped the quote for clarity. Here, bea defends Rico while not defending him at the same time. (This opinion of mine is new upon this reread, actually) If either bea or Rico turn up bad, then this kind of statement would make me look at the other.

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Seems my randomization post got a "provoking reaction"

It usually does from new peeps. Thanks for taking that bullet.

DIINY - Sorsha does that. She's got limited time too. She responds to what's most current/on topic when she catches up.

Rox and others - tend to Day 1 Day 1. We recognise that ALL arguments are based on very little. The weakest of pings. And lacking anything concrete to go on, we reserve the right to random vote.

Some of us feel that a random vote is as logical as a super weak "I got nothing else woe is me" Day 1 vote and JUST as easily manipulated by mafia as a "random" vote. I know one player that refuses to read the roles till like day 3.

I tend to not get anything near a vibe or feeling till like day 3 myself so I understand the random. I've done it. I've done it regardless of being civ or mafia. (Because even when I'm mafia, lots of our games are two mafia teams and then I still want to find baddies, just not my baddies) It's not done, at least in my part, to with hold info. It's done to find info. Some people find info differently than others. Some jump in and look and prod and question. Some sit back and watch the prodding and questioning and go from there. BOTH are needed for the civ cause.

Different styles for different folks. That's what makes this experiment awesome!

Here she defends Sorsha against Diiny's suspicion. Also defends Roxy. Continues that in her next post too... how "Rox and I" have "Civ reasons" for acting this way. How does bea know Rox has Civ reasons at all?

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

Srrsly? Lamest day 1 vote ever LC. I haven't stated at all who I think is civ with confidence. My whole argument is I don't know yet who is or isn't . It's like you aren't even reading my posts....

I expect better from you tbh.

I never said "with confidence". You added that. Are you actually trying to shame me??

Anyways, gotta go out for lunch, be back in a bit.

[sig]

@ Long Con fine *hugs Long Con while plotting revenge* :P

Jay okay thank you for responding and for your stance of Diiny's playstyle.

@Roxy noted thanks for the advice.

[Matt]

Metalmarsh, I'm not very computer savvy, but if nobody else from TS can pull up the poll from our side, I'd be happy for you or someone else to walk me through getting it through "offline" means.

Also, hello to all the RYMers. Gee ya all post a lot

re: Roxy

From my experience with Roxy (which btw is somewhat limited lately, this is my first game in about two years), her randomizing is not out of the ordinary on day 1.

However, Roxy, do you plan on keeping your vote on Ricochet? Was that a joke vote?

I only ask because of the events that transpired in Day 0. I remember, specifically, you saying "I don't find anything highly questionable regarding Rico's posts" after I said I found his posts highly questionable. Now you vote for him? I'm kind of confused.

[Draconus]

Dii - get used to it

Your excuse for not actually really playing mafia is 'get used to it?' If you keep playing the way you're playing you're getting a vote. I want to see something solid, meaningful and accountable by day 1 standards from you. I'm not getting used to scumminess, and, if I understand you correctly, that you're asking me to is making me very uncomfortable

Threatening a player with a lynch vote because you don't like their style? Not cool. You may end up with my vote But I still have more to catch up on. For now, I have a house to finish painting.

[birdwithteeth11]

@MM On my part or his?

On his part. Let me pull up some Syndicate statistics.

Economics Mafia, Jay had 769 posts.
Bullets over Broadway, Jay had 294 posts, but he subbed in Day 6.
Recruitment Mafia, Jay had 458 posts, but was killed Night 6.

Not your run-of-the-mill minimal poster.

Yeah. JJJ has never been a low poster around these parts. But I don't put much stock in the back and forth between him and llama yet.

[birdwithteeth11]

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

Also It could read is very weak, but it isn't very weak it just seems kinda weak. Writing is very weak is more confrontation in my opinion as well as implying it was meant to be weak. While seems kinda weak is just that is seems weak but it might not be.

This is quibbling over something very small, why if I'm civ would I right it the first way instead of the second way?

This might be small, but I've seen people get lynched for wordplay on Day 1 enough in the past.

Same as it ever was.

[Russtifinko]

Posting because the host tells me I will be a non-participant if I don't.

I will read up throughout today and try to say something intelligent.

[Long Con]

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

Also It could read is very weak, but it isn't very weak it just seems kinda weak. Writing is very weak is more confrontation in my opinion as well as implying it was meant to be weak. While seems kinda weak is just that is seems weak but it might not be.

This is quibbling over something very small, why if I'm civ would I right it the first way instead of the second way?

This might be small, but I've seen people get lynched for wordplay on Day 1 enough in the past.

Same as it ever was.

I agree, in that Mafia have more need to "craft" their posts than Civvies. Sig's accidental reveal that he was going back over his post before posting it to make sure it's just right is a little suspicious to me.

[birdwithteeth11]

Rbzmncaeaei I find you suspicious that you find it suspicious that I find you suspicious for thinking I'm suspicious.

Your counter argument is very good, though I don't believe there is any connection. I might have come off as being overly defense, but in my experience it is better to be proactive in defending oneself then being accused of ignoring what others have said about you. As I said Matt I didn't mean to keep the very there it just kinda happened.

When I mentioned bcornett24 I was unaware that we were allowed to change votes this game, this makes his early vote less strange.

linki: Interesting our day 0 poll was about different abilities such as option one does so and so.

Curious to see in my catch-up how your first suspect is interesting.

Idk if it's because I don't know you or your playstyle yet, but I feel like I'm seeing caution flags from you already.

[rundontwalk]

I want to lynch someone from the Syndicate or Choutas.