[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Ricochet]

I think these are all the vote-relevant roles which are potentially still in the game. Please let me know if I omitted something.

Pulled Up - Every time a non-civilian player is lynched, its vote increases by 1. Conversely, if three civilian players are lynched consecutively, its vote decreases by 1. Its vote can be worth negative.

I Zimbra – Insanifies a player of its choice every night, forcing that player to speak in another language of its choice the subsequent day. If that player is from the same forum as I Zimbra, its vote is worth x3; if it is from the opposing forum, it is worth negative x3. The value of the insanified player's vote is unknown to everyone except I Zimbra.

Once in a Lifetime – Asks a player a multiple choice question every night. It must alternate between members of the two forums. If it correctly predicts its target's answer, they both gain an extra vote to be used at any time. If it is incorrect, Once in a Lifetime must vote the same player as it did yesterday; if that player is dead, then it loses one of its extra votes.

Love for Sale – Every night, it offers to sell its subsequent lynch vote to all players. The first player that PMs the host accepting the deal may control how Love for Sale votes the subsequent day. (Secrets)

Blind – Cannot be night killed. At the start of the game, its vote will go to the person voted. In future lynches, however, Blind may not know who it actually is voting for. Any time that a civilian is lynched, then its lynch vote is secretly randomized among the player it voted and the one alphabetically above and below its vote. For every civilian lynch, the possible vote recipient range is increased by one player above and below its current range. In contrast, any time that a mafia is lynched, the range decreases by one player above and below its current range.

Drugs – Slips drugs to a player of its choice every even night. That player will start every subsequent lynch with two votes against them. If it carries out the kill, it cannot kill any player it hasn't drugged.

It seems to me that seaside was suspicious of espers, Diiny, and I because he observed discrepancy in the Rico bandwagon that suggested to him that someone was scum. This only makes sense if it was two extra votes specifically due to the Drugs role. I don't know how seaside's role worked exactly, but would he not just see the name of the player placing those two extra votes? That would eliminate the need for the whole "1 of these 3" thing. He may have just misinterpreted the evidence, there are a pile of town roles that affect voting and even more roles with *secrets* so who knows.

Basically all this tells me is that seaside thought Diiny or I was Drugs, but I don't understand why he'd have any doubt about which one.

I Zimbra is dead since Day 1.

[Tangrowth]

Seems someone has missed the vote 3 times or more since replacing in.

[Tangrowth]

Night 7: Burning Down the Rock

Black Rock has been modkilled for inactivity. She was Burning Down the House.


It is still Night 7. Send in those PMs.

[Diiny]

Jimmaaaaay

[Ricochet]

Thank God Karma Police is still functioning.

BIH BR!

We have a new opening, let's use this!

Naive Melody, protect me!

[Diiny]

It was you that was on about black rock right jim? I feel like there were others too

This is interesting

Because black rock was so inactive I'm gonna be more lenient to call some activity bussing imo, but this is said purely academically as I can't actually remember who said what about black rock. Might decide it all looks fairly legit

[Ricochet]

You didn't address shit about these the previous Day, so this time you're getting them unspoilered.


Day 1

bea 1 -- Ricochet (37) 3%
birdwithteeth11 7 -- DrWilgy (12), bcornett24 (14), Matt F (23), HamburgerBoy (25), Sorsha (27), Diiny (28), sig (31) 18%
Choutas 1 -- rundontwalk (7) 3%
Diiny 3 -- thellama73 (6), Devin the Omniscient (19), Elohcin (24) 8%
DrWilgy 1 -- Choutas (17) 3%
Epignosis 2 -- FZ. (20), kneel4justice (22) 5%
Long Con 1 -- Rbzmncaeaei (15) 3%
MacDougall 1 -- seaside (13) 3%
Matt F 2 -- Roxy (35), Russtifinko (36) 5%
reywaS 2 -- MacDougall (29), Golden (33) 5%
Russtifinko 4 -- Metalmarsh89 (18), AceofSpaces (30), espers (34), Epignosis (38) 11%
sig 4 -- motel room (11), JaggedJimmyJay (16), Long Con (21), birdwithteeth11 (26) 11%
Strawhenge 1 -- TheFloyd73 (3) 3%

Day 2

AceofSpaces 1 -- TheFloyd73 (4) 3%
bcornett24 6 -- FZ. (19), Sorsha (21), Epignosis (26), bea (27), Golden (36), Long Con (38) 16%
Devin the Omniscient 1 -- rundontwalk (7) 3%
Diiny 2 -- Devin the Omniscient (6), thellama73 (24) 5%
DrWilgy 1 -- Ricochet (23) 3%
JaggedJimmyJay 1 -- Rbzmncaeaei (37) 3%
Long Con 8 -- Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%
Matt F 1 -- Roxy (15) 3%
Metalmarsh89 1 -- Bullzeye (20) 3%
seaside 2 -- Metalmarsh89 (2), Strawhenge (10) 5%
Sorsha 2 -- Matt F (25), Elohcin (33) 5%
thellama73 3 -- MacDougall (13), Diiny (28), espers (30) 8%

Day 3

bea 1 -- TheFloyd73 (9) 3%
Epignosis 1 -- motel room (3) 3%
Golden 7 -- bcornett24 (10), MacDougall (11), Devin the Omniscient (14), DrWilgy (28), sig (30), Sorsha (31), Ricochet (33) 21%
Matt F 1 -- Roxy (17) 3%
Rbzmncaeaei 1 -- Elohcin (7) 3%
Ricochet 6 -- JaggedJimmyJay (21), Rbzmncaeaei (22), Diiny (24), Golden (26), seaside (27), espers (34) 18%
Russtifinko 4 -- FZ. (16), Epignosis (18), Bullzeye (19), thellama73 (20) 12%
Sorsha 4 -- Matt F (4), Strawhenge (12), Choutas (13), Russtifinko (29) 12%
thellama73 1 -- bea (23) 3%

Day 4
Devin the Omniscient 9 --
bcornett24 (15), Sorsha (16), JaggedJimmyJay (22), Bullzeye (23), Black Rock (25), Ricochet (26), Golden (27), DrWilgy (31), Epignosis (33) 27%
Elohcin 1 -- TheFloyd73 (10) 3%
Golden 1 -- Diiny (32) 3%
JaggedJimmyJay 2 -- Metalmarsh89 (12), RadicalFuzz (18) 6%
Matt F 1 -- Roxy (7) 3%
Sorsha 10 -- Choutas (6), seaside (8), Devin the Omniscient (9), Strawhenge (11), motel room (17), Matt F (20), Elohcin (24), MacDougall (28), espers (29), Russtifinko (30) 30%

Day 5

bcornett24 1 -- DrWilgy (7) 3%
Black Rock 1 -- fingersplints (17) 3%
Devin the Omniscient 6 -- bcornett24 (10), Choutas (15), sig (26), Bullzeye (27), Devin the Omniscient (28), Black Rock (29) 18%
Diiny 2 -- seaside (11), MacDougall (24) 6%
espers 8 -- Russtifinko (18), motel room (20), JaggedJimmyJay (22), RadicalFuzz (23), Metalmarsh89 (30), Diiny (31), Ricochet (32), Matt F (34) 24%
MacDougall 2 -- Elohcin (19), Epignosis (21) 6%
Matt F 2 -- TheFloyd73 (9), Roxy (13) 6%
Metalmarsh89 1 -- Strawhenge (8) 3%

Day 6

bcornett24 1 -- Bullzeye (20) 3%
Diiny 6 -- sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28) 21%
DrWilgy 1 --RadicalFuzz (17) 3%
JaggedJimmyJay 1 -- bcornett24 (7) 3%
MacDougall 7 -- DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25) 24%
Matt F 1 -- TheFloyd73 (13) 3%
Metalmarsh89 1 -- Strawhenge (19) 3%
Russtifinko 1 -- fingersplints (9) 3%

Day 7

bcornett24 1 -- DrWilgy (22) 4%
Choutas 1 -- Ricochet (19) 4%
DrWilgy 1 -- RadicalFuzz (11) 4%
JaggedJimmyJay 3 -- seaside (6), TheFloyd73 (10), sig (17) 11%
seaside 8 -- Epignosis (20), motel room (21), Metalmarsh89 (23), JaggedJimmyJay (24), bcornett24 (25), Russtifinko (26), Diiny (27), Elohcin (28) 29%
TheFloyd73 4 -- Choutas (7), Strawhenge (13), Matt F (15), Bullzeye (16) 14%

[Epignosis]

It was you that was on about black rock right jim? I feel like there were others too

Me.

[Ricochet]

Again I must ask the players who hold on to the idea that LC did not get bussed on Day 2 where the remaining four scum are, in that case.

Because your only variants are:

Day 2

AceofSpaces 1 -- TheFloyd73 (4) 3%
bcornett24 6 -- Epignosis (26)
DrWilgy 1 -- Ricochet (23) 3%
Metalmarsh89 1 -- Bullzeye (20) 3%
seaside 2 -- Metalmarsh89 (2), Strawhenge (10) 5%
Sorsha 2 -- Matt F (25), Elohcin (33) 5%
thellama73 3 -- Diiny (28)

And I ain't it.

[Diiny]

Interesting to see a soft defence of floyd from the confirmed scum there

[Ricochet]

On Day 6, BR couldn't have been drugged, since she was teammate, and Diiny wasn't drugged, because he didn't edge out ahead in the tally. So who might the mafia drugged and then try to build a counterwagon on (without succeeding)?

[Epignosis]

I think one of the most instructive things to look back on was the MacDougall lynch- some folks tried to get something going on Black Rock. It didn't take, so things swung back to Diiny.

[Marmot]

On Day 6, BR couldn't have been drugged, since she was teammate, and Diiny wasn't drugged, because he didn't edge out ahead in the tally. So who might the mafia drugged and then try to build a counterwagon on (without succeeding)?

Only one player could have been drugged this entire game. Devin seems like the likely candidate because he was lynched while trailing 6-8, and the counter-wagon from that day, espers, is a known civilian.

[Ricochet]

On Day 6, BR couldn't have been drugged, since she was teammate, and Diiny wasn't drugged, because he didn't edge out ahead in the tally. So who might the mafia drugged and then try to build a counterwagon on (without succeeding)?

Only one player could have been drugged this entire game. Devin seems like the likely candidate because he was lynched while trailing 6-8, and the counter-wagon from that day, espers, is a known civilian.

"Slips drugs to a player of its choice every even night."

...wait.

Actually, the one thing this description actually discredits is that Drugs could have drugged anyone on Day 6. It was Night 5.

Carry on.

[Marmot]

Also, boosh and/or kakow.

Linki: but Ricochet, the drugs are everlasting. The player receives 2 votes every day, not just the next day.

[Ricochet]

At least we know Drugs can't drug anyone tonight either.

If we catch a baddie tomorrow, we'll keep screwing with their even night powers.

[Ricochet]

Also, boosh and/or kakow.

Linki: but Ricochet, the drugs are everlasting. The player receives 2 votes every day, not just the next day.

Doesn't change the fact he can drug another player.

[Marmot]

Also, boosh and/or kakow.

Linki: but Ricochet, the drugs are everlasting. The player receives 2 votes every day, not just the next day.

Doesn't change the fact he can drug another player.

I'm just saying that someone could currently be drugged, but it would have happened Night 4.

[Ricochet]

Also, boosh and/or kakow.

Linki: but Ricochet, the drugs are everlasting. The player receives 2 votes every day, not just the next day.

Doesn't change the fact he can drug another player.

I'm just saying that someone could currently be drugged, but it would have happened Night 4.

If it wasn't Devin (which, given the 6-8 down distance, is rather hard to believe), then yes.

If it was Devin, then no one is currently drugged, because I didn't pay attention to the even night specification.

Night 2 didn't happen
Night 4 - Devin or not Devin
Night 6 didn't happen

[Marmot]

Elohcin is the only female player left.

Linki: Agreed

[Ricochet]

Also, second time asking, MM (third overall).

Also, you didn't chime in, do you think splints was killed by civ or baddie?

[Ricochet]

Elohcin is the only female player left.

Linki: Agreed

Unfortunately for any feminists around here, she seems to obey her husband this game.

[Marmot]

Also, second time asking, MM (third overall).

Also, you didn't chime in, do you think splints was killed by civ or baddie?

I don't know. I don't see anything to indicate that it was one or the other.

If I had to guess, I would guess it was a civilian power that caused it. Mafia and PSK already have their own killing abilities.

[RadicalFuzz]

What's with this Roxy-splints-BR triangle all getting modkilled in one night? Spooky stuff.

I'm going to be out of town for roughly 3 & 1/2 days. I can post a little bit from my phone, but I won't be able to check the thread very often. I'll make a post when I get back and then start catching up from this post on page 137.

PAGE 137

[Marmot]

I am putting a vote onto Russ, based on what MacDougall said. I really don't have the time to catch up fully and form a solid opinion right now. Voting for Russ is the best I can do.

Black Rock replaced AceofSpaces. This was one of AceofSpaces' only two posts of the game before he subbed out, in which he followed a known teammate's suspicion to vote Russti, being the second vote on him and about an hour before the deadline.

I asked Mac if he wanted to lynch Russti, who had quickly gained four votes, and was looking like a decent lynch candidate (trailing birdwithteeth 4-7). Instead, Mac left his vote on the less popular reywas (now RadicalFuzz).

These things considered, I think Russtifinko is mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Black Rock being mafia makes me feel a bit better.

[Bullzeye]

I am putting a vote onto Russ, based on what MacDougall said. I really don't have the time to catch up fully and form a solid opinion right now. Voting for Russ is the best I can do.

Black Rock replaced AceofSpaces. This was one of AceofSpaces' only two posts of the game before he subbed out, in which he followed a known teammate's suspicion to vote Russti, being the second vote on him and about an hour before the deadline.

I asked Mac if he wanted to lynch Russti, who had quickly gained four votes, and was looking like a decent lynch candidate (trailing birdwithteeth 4-7). Instead, Mac left his vote on the less popular reywas (now RadicalFuzz).

These things considered, I think Russtifinko is mafia.

Finally someone agrees!

[Matt]

motel room, lol about "not reading" what you post. Again, I'd like everyone to weigh in on what they think about you and 3J voting together 5 out of 7 times, actively discouraging a MacD lynch Day 6, and bandwagoning a civvie together on Day 7. I also noticed 3J has posted but hasn't responded to my inquiry about you and him voting together so many times.

RIH Black Rock

Notable Black Rock posts (IMO) -

Four of the last five votes have gone to llama. Who are the other front runners, bcornett and LC, I think?

bcornett was in the lead when I got here.

I'm completely willing to help flip this lynch to JJJ. I don't trust him in the least. Anyone else on board?

Why?

I don't think you answered my other question?

I mentioned this in a previous post, but I found it suspicious that Black Rock replaced in, refused to vote the day she placed in (when LC was getting lynched Day 2), but then when I get real suspicious about a Llama train up there, and ask who is in the lead BC or LC, she finds time to say "bcornett".

I currently see bcornett as anti-Mafia.

Also, just a small note, I notice BR didn't say whether she was on board with a 3J lynch, but questioned civvie Golden on why.

I guess no one is going to make me laugh today. *self vote*

Elohcin, I just started and I have read the rules. Have you?

That wasn't nice towards civvie Elohcin. Btw, can someone besides me and Epignosis make Elohcin laugh? Please? Please please?

It's completely possible he is part of the scum team, but I won't leave someone new out in the cold in case they are really struggling.

I hear that. On Day 0 or Day 1, I would've been right there with you.

But on Day 4...after voting several times...after "having the gist of it" in pre-game...



At the same time, I don't want to railroad a new guy if he is being genuine. Weird, though.

I'm more inclined to believe he is a lost civvie. I feel if he was on a Mafia team he would have some peeps to talk him through it.

Take this at face value "knowing" Floyd is civvie, or slightly defending a scummate? I'm leaning on the latter. I can't for the life of me find the post, but even though MacD went back and forth on Floyd himself, at one point he gave me shit for "going after noobs". I still think Floyd is Mafia.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

Ricochet, what do you think about Black Rock "just loving" your LC interactions post? Does this mean you were dead wrong in that post? Does this mean you and BR are teamies? Just curious, I'm not sure what to make of it. Although for some reason or another, I forget, I think I had you marked as anti-Mafia (oh I think it was because your big case on MacD helped us get him...then again MacD's case on Long Con helped lynch LC sooooo). Anyway your thoughts?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

Negative
Matt
finding his ping "phony" in joining sig's wording case

MacDougall
suspicious of motel room for bringing up Flowers tactics (although this seems like self-aware fake sussing, imo, since LC was Flowers)
voting MacDougall D2

Can the green part of this be explained more? Is this Macs suspicion or LC's?

Uhh pretty sure that's in LC's section, so it's LC's suspicion on MacDougall.

Basically both Mac and motel brought up some interpretations of what Flowers might have done with his D1 vote and then LC sussed them both for talking about it. I already pointed out this suspicion looks fake, since LC was of course Flowers himself. But it still counts as LC putting heat on Mac for this.

I was confused on where motel room fit in under Mac, that's all.

Rico, I hope you're still reading this (I read all of your big posts, dude!!! Haha). Are you saying Long Con was suspicious of both MacD and motel room because of discussing the Flowers role? I'll have to go check that out to be sure. Funny, we know Long Con and MacD were teamies, where does motel room fit in, knowing what we do now about MR trying to dissuade a Mac lynch Day 6 and bandwagoning a civvie Day 7?

So here's my point: if I don't believe LC's "gambit" ever really even existed, then I am not going to attribute theories about his scum intentions to that gambit. That means I am not going to be more suspicious of Mac than I otherwise be because of the possibility that this was a cooperative plan from the start. I don't think this conversation happened in BTSC:

LC: Okay guys, I really need to focus on my other game. I know we just got started here and you're relying on me to contribute, but I gotta bail.

Mac or friends: Well... alright? That kind of sucks. Uh, I guess we better bus you then and make it look nice.

LC: Definitely. So here's the plan. I am going to go after bea for her defensive posts. But when I do: it's gonna be a bad look. I want one or more of you folks to come after me for it right away.

Mac: I'm on it!

LC: Great. But here's where it gets interesting: after you go after me, I'm going to say in the thread that the original case was just a test for reactions and try to gain back the credibility that you take away. I'm known for this kind of thing, it'll look fine.

Mac: Alright sweet. Tell you what, why don't we also argue in the thread about your Flowers role and how it might affect the game? So much WIFOM!!!

LC: Aw yeah, sick. Bro fist, bro.

The only problem I see with this scenario is that if LC ever said anything like that last line I would have to divorce him right away.

I also wanted you all to know that I deserve to die for failing my punishment. I'm an awful lady.

Okay so here we have 3J defending the shiznit out of MacDougall and Black Rock reinforcing how correct 3J is.

The following is a short discussion on Epignosis' tabs between two confirmed Mafia...

I know that. Don't you find it weird that he would just have two browser tabs open on the home page of the site? Like, who does that?

I currently have three, and I have just closed two. How do you play mafia without multiple tabs open?

I deserve to die for being a bad punished lady.

Epig, how do you feel about two confirmed baddie partners, one trying to put suspicion on you because of open tabs, and the other quickly shutting that door?

Btw, there's a few things I didn't quote. I believe two different times, Black Rock puts suspicion towards Russ.

Thoughts?

[DrWilgy]

Bcornett, you were 1 of 2 who said BR was good in our gth. Why did you think this?

[Matt]

Excuse me JaggedJimmyJay but why are you playing like a car accident victim with brain damage when I know that you're actually awesome at this, the game of forums mafia?

That's a good question, you should think on it for a couple minutes and tell me what you think I might be doing.

Cocaine?

I like you Black Rock. You're a good person, and I think you seem kind of civvie too.

Wonderful

[Marmot]

Btw, can someone besides me and Epignosis make Elohcin laugh? Please? Please please?

Lord knows I have tried.

[Marmot]

Bcornett, you were 1 of 2 who said BR was good in our gth. Why did you think this?

1 of 3: bcornett, myself, and Strawhenge.

[Matt]

Bcornett, you were 1 of 2 who said BR was good in our gth. Why did you think this?

1 of 3: bcornett, myself, and Strawhenge.

The same Strawhenge that believed MacDougall to be a "scum mate" of MR and 3J, yet refused to vote for MacDougall?

[Marmot]

Bcornett, you were 1 of 2 who said BR was good in our gth. Why did you think this?

1 of 3: bcornett, myself, and Strawhenge.

The same Strawhenge that believed MacDougall to be a "scum mate" of MR and 3J, yet refused to vote for MacDougall?

No, I believe you have the wrong Strawhenge.

[Matt]

[DrWilgy]

Why do I always forget strawhenge???

[Matt]

MM and Wilgy

Thoughts on Motel Room and 3J voting together 5 out of 7 day phases, actively discouraging a MacDougall lynch Day 6, bandwagoning a civilian Day 7 to avoid a 3J and/or Floyd lynch?

[DrWilgy]

It's like my brain can't process his existence.

I remeber when the game started, I would see his name, but couldn't associate anything to it. Then I'd have to re read everything. That happened 3 times.

Linki, its concerning, but would mafia coordinate themselves that much? I need to look at this in better detail. I'm currently reading events regarding the seaside lynch, and am catching up.

[Epignosis]

Epig, how do you feel about two confirmed baddie partners, one trying to put suspicion on you because of open tabs, and the other quickly shutting that door?

I don't feel any way about it. It was a dumb reason to suspect someone.

[Matt]

Linki, its concerning, but would mafia coordinate themselves that much? I need to look at this in better detail. I'm currently reading events regarding the seaside lynch, and am catching up.

5 out of 7 day phases is questionable enough, but when they are also discouraging people from voting a now confirmed scum and then bandwagoning a civilian on Day 7 to avoid a 3J lynch...



Apparently, from a post I quoted by Rico a bit ago, motel room was also involved with Long Con and MacDougall's "Nothing but Flowers" discussion where Long Con cutely said "The only people who know about this role are the role and their teammates".

motel room also questions Floyd on PMs, and when he gets a weird answer from Floyd, does not pursue it. Regardless of Floyd's alignment, this strikes me as strange.

If motel room ends up as civvie, I will literally be shocked.

[Marmot]

I've reconstructed the Day 6 lynch from before the wagon on Black Rock disintegrated. Two of the voters transferred their votes to MacDougall in succession (myself and Epignosis), and Jay moved his vote to the Diiny wagon that formed later.

This is for anyone interested in what the Black Rock wagon looked like and why it fell apart. Two of the voters went on to vote another mafia member who was ultimately lynched, and the other player moved on to make his vote relevant at the end of the day phase.

I don't believe the wagon fell apart to "save" Black Rock.

Spoiler: show

Black Rock - 3

• Metalmarsh89 (1), JaggedJimmyJay (3), Epignosis (5)

MacDougall - 2

• DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (8)

Epignosis - 1

• MacDougall (2)

JaggedJimmyJay - 1

• bcornett (6)

Russtifinko - 1

• fingersplints (7)

[Matt]

Anyway, I've posted a bunch this morning and I think I once read Epignosis asking people to allow their ideas to breathe...

So breathe away ideas. Everyone in the thread, thoughts on 3J and Motel Room?

In the meantime, I'll be doing some rereads, I intended to see what the circumstances were in each lynch that MR and 3J voted together. I'll do that after lunch. Peace out peeps, I'll be back.

[Matt]

Anyway, I've posted a bunch this morning and I think I once read Epignosis asking people to allow their ideas to breathe...

So breathe away ideas. Everyone in the thread, thoughts on 3J and Motel Room?

In the meantime, I'll be doing some rereads, I intended to see what the circumstances were in each lynch that MR and 3J voted together. I'll do that after lunch. Peace out peeps, I'll be back.

[Marmot]

Oops, let me try that again with the spoiled post quoted.

I've reconstructed the Day 6 lynch from before the wagon on Black Rock disintegrated. Two of the voters transferred their votes to MacDougall in succession (myself and Epignosis), and Jay moved his vote to the Diiny wagon that formed later.

This is for anyone interested in what the Black Rock wagon looked like and why it fell apart. Two of the voters went on to vote another mafia member who was ultimately lynched, and the other player moved on to make his vote relevant at the end of the day phase.

I don't believe the wagon fell apart to "save" Black Rock.

Spoiler: show

Black Rock - 3

• Metalmarsh89 (1), JaggedJimmyJay (3), Epignosis (5)

MacDougall - 2

• DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (8)

Epignosis - 1

• MacDougall (2)

JaggedJimmyJay - 1

• bcornett (6)

Russtifinko - 1

• fingersplints (7)

[Epignosis]

Excuse me JaggedJimmyJay but why are you playing like a car accident victim with brain damage when I know that you're actually awesome at this, the game of forums mafia?

That's a good question, you should think on it for a couple minutes and tell me what you think I might be doing.

Cocaine?

I like you Black Rock. You're a good person, and I think you seem kind of civvie too.

Wonderful

3J did have this to say a few phases later, and tried to get Black Rock lynched instead of MacDougall.

One could interpret this as an attempt to look good in light of the knowledge that Black Rock was on her way out the door anyway courtesy of the hand of the host, however.

[Epignosis]

If motel room ends up as civvie, I will literally be shocked.

No you won't.

[Marmot]

MM and Wilgy

Thoughts on Motel Room and 3J voting together 5 out of 7 day phases, actively discouraging a MacDougall lynch Day 6, bandwagoning a civilian Day 7 to avoid a 3J and/or Floyd lynch?

I dunno. Epignosis and Elohcin have voted together the last three day phases, and have been pretty obvious about it. Of course, they each voted Mac Day 5 and 6, but Jay and motel room voted for Long Con together on Day 2.

I would have to read their posts (or at least motel room's posts) from the last three days to discern things better. Jay's vote Day 7 is not worth looking at too much imo, since self-preservation was certainly a goal of his.

[Matt]

If motel room ends up as civvie, I will literally be shocked.

No you won't.

Actually, I will. Care to say why you think otherwise?

MM - Can't say about Epignosis either way, but I have an inkling as to why Elohcin has been voting with him. Or why she's voted with me. Or even Mac on Day 1. Anyway, she's civvie though, just to be clear.

[Epignosis]

If motel room ends up as civvie, I will literally be shocked.

No you won't.

Actually, I will. Care to say why you think otherwise?

[Matt]

Oh, unless you meant that I won't literally be shocked, as in BZZZZZZZTTK!!