Cartomancy [Game Over]

[Baudib1]

Roxy has way more scum equity than Jack.

Disagree, but im on board for now.

[Creature]

Why are there only 6 votes on the board?

D1 ended, N1 started, the Sun card was played and now it's D2.

[tutuu]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

[Alison]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

I'm on winter break. Semester doesn't start until the 18th.

[Creature]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

(I dunno why I keep making in-thread votes. It's just wasting posts)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Alison is doing a play by play exact replica of King of the Hill. I can't get over that lol its exactly the same.

Like

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Exactly the same. Every single aspect of it.

I kinda town read the switch off on Kate but than I remembered that a very similar thing happened to the wolf team when I subbed out in KotH mafia for mental health reasons and they abandoned the Neon push because they thought my subbing out was town indicative because of the way it was done.

[Baudib1]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.

[tutuu]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

I'm on winter break. Semester doesn't start until the 18th.

Pat pat

[Dennis]

@staypositivefriend can you out the theory

i was bullshitting, i just wanted the mafia to kill me

Lmfao based

[Jackofhearts2005]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Aww darn you got me but I guess I’ll double down and hope for the best. Maybe reverse psychology will keep you from yeeting Alison, who is wolves with me.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

I'm on winter break. Semester doesn't start until the 18th.

Shh. Go study.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

[tutuu]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.

I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alison is doing a play by play exact replica of King of the Hill. I can't get over that lol its exactly the same.

Like

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... &start=250

Exactly the same. Every single aspect of it.

I kinda town read the switch off on Kate but than I remembered that a very similar thing happened to the wolf team when I subbed out in KotH mafia for mental health reasons and they abandoned the Neon push because they thought my subbing out was town indicative because of the way it was done.

This is what I’ve been saying. It’s grossly blatant to the point when I’d actually agree with Tutuu on the bussing thing if I didn’t independently townread Sig and myself.

[Alison]

I feel extremely good about this gamestate and I suspect the wolves don't.

[staypositivefriend]

i don't claim to have any level of confidence in reading alison correctly but i do honestly feel like the main reasons ive seen to justify voting her have been more related to her playstyle than her alignment

feels kind of icky

Does icky mean wrong or scummy in this context?

If scummy, who is scum pushing or voting Alison?

it means scummy, and it also means that if we live in a world where she's town (which i do perceive as being more likely right now than not) at least one of the people who wagoned her is a wolf trying to push on her opportunistically

and jack, i actually perceived your read on alison as being the most sincere out of everyone who has pushed on her so far, since you were more or less the "ringleader" for building momentum against her and i perceive you as being the main person who is projecting a lot of confidence about her being mafia

but your confidence is starting to bother me the more that i think about it. it's possible that you're right about alison but frankly i think your reasoning for pushing on alison is pretty bad. i don't think the things that you are pushing alison for (ie: "she is treating people in bad faith") are alignment indicative for alison, and i do expect you to understand that these things aren't alignment indicative as someone who has presumably played a lot of games with alison

so, while i think it's possible that your read onalison could be correct, your confidence about alison being mafia doesn't feel even slightly proportional to the actual casework you have done against her, and my memory of the other towngames i saw from you is that you were much more considerate and you had a much broader perspective than the one you are projecting here

so uhhh, i think what im going to need from you for me to not want to vote you today is for you to just talk to me very broadly about your reads that AREN'T alison. if alison was no longer on the table today, who would you want to eliminate? if we briefly assume for a moment that alison is town, what would ur view of the game look like?

@Jackofhearts2005 - please respond to this post as soon as you can

[Alison]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.

I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there

It's not a bus, they are just outing to kill me. It's why none of my voters can give a coherent reason why I am mafia and it's why I feel great about the game because the mafia team has overextended way too much and it's hard to imagine the game ending well for them unless you guys totally throw after my flip (in which case it's on you).

[Baudib1]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.

I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there

It's not a bus, they are just outing to kill me. It's why none of my voters can give a coherent reason why I am mafia and it's why I feel great about the game because the mafia team has overextended way too much and it's hard to imagine the game ending well for them unless you guys totally throw after my flip (in which case it's on you).

Don’t worry I’m like the best late-game villager ever.

[Creature]

Can't wait for the moon to be randomly activated

[Alison]

Can't wait for the moon to be randomly activated

I think if mafia had the moon they'd just trigger it ASAP since it's unlikely most people got a night action through so there's no accountability. It could be that the mafia with the moon is afk and will trigger it any time so we should still vote properly, but numerical odds are that the moon belongs to a townie.

[tutuu]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.

I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there

It's not a bus, they are just outing to kill me. It's why none of my voters can give a coherent reason why I am mafia and it's why I feel great about the game because the mafia team has overextended way too much and it's hard to imagine the game ending well for them unless you guys totally throw after my flip (in which case it's on you).

Your flip holds a ton of info. Its like a juicy, ripe, fresh tomato - you bite it and juices fly everywhere

Would you agree to die today and if youre town, we sheep you? Ill promise that id worship ur reads and realize how potentially what im saying can be painted to be scummy for me (tutuu wants to kill alison and then her counterwagon regardless of any flips) and yet it feels like a good play to me

[Baudib1]

FWIW I will of course adjust Alison’s wolf equity in my head up slightly but only based on the universal increase that occurs when a VT is yeeted.

It’s not like Alison caused the lynch to happen. The people who voted for Fingers were entirely people who were widely townread and not voting for her.

So anyone pushing the narrative that since we had a town flip, we must kill Alison should be treated with much suspicion.

[Alison]

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.

I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there

It's not a bus, they are just outing to kill me. It's why none of my voters can give a coherent reason why I am mafia and it's why I feel great about the game because the mafia team has overextended way too much and it's hard to imagine the game ending well for them unless you guys totally throw after my flip (in which case it's on you).

Your flip holds a ton of info. Its like a juicy, ripe, fresh tomato - you bite it and juices fly everywhere

Would you agree to die today and if youre town, we sheep you? Ill promise that id worship ur reads and realize how potentially what im saying can be painted to be scummy for me (tutuu wants to kill alison and then her counterwagon regardless of any flips) and yet it feels like a good play to me

Yeah, I think that's an acceptable outcome.

[tutuu]

Not counterwagon* i meant just wagon

[Alison]

I'd still prefer Roxy first because it clears me if she flips red but me first should also be a win for town if you guys actually sheep me. And if you don't I will laugh at you in DVC I guess.

[MacDougall]

I was thinking to myself during the EOD that there was no way Fingersplints was going to flip mafia cuz it's just never fair like that but god damn I couldn't have really found anyone more likely to be mafia than them.

Oh well.

Time for a patented Mac flip flop.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Baudib1]

FWIW I will of course adjust Alison’s wolf equity in my head up slightly but only based on the universal increase that occurs when a VT is yeeted.

It’s not like Alison caused the lynch to happen. The people who voted for Fingers were entirely people who were widely townread and not voting for her.

So anyone pushing the narrative that since we had a town flip, we must kill Alison should be treated with much suspicion.

If you disagree with this and are voting Alison tell us who the wolves are on the fingers wagon.

[tutuu]

Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I am so entirely down with this plan.

[MacDougall]

FWIW I will of course adjust Alison’s wolf equity in my head up slightly but only based on the universal increase that occurs when a VT is yeeted.

It’s not like Alison caused the lynch to happen. The people who voted for Fingers were entirely people who were widely townread and not voting for her.

So anyone pushing the narrative that since we had a town flip, we must kill Alison should be treated with much suspicion.

If you disagree with this and are voting Alison tell us who the wolves are on the fingers wagon.

Spoken like someone who is acutely aware the Fingersplints wagon was nearly entirely pure lol.

[Dennis]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

[tutuu]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

Ahhh, women

*sips coffee*

[MacDougall]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

I've played this game before. I know how it ends already lol.

[Creature]

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

I had this set too except Roxy in place of Alison.

[Baudib1]

FWIW I will of course adjust Alison’s wolf equity in my head up slightly but only based on the universal increase that occurs when a VT is yeeted.

It’s not like Alison caused the lynch to happen. The people who voted for Fingers were entirely people who were widely townread and not voting for her.

So anyone pushing the narrative that since we had a town flip, we must kill Alison should be treated with much suspicion.

If you disagree with this and are voting Alison tell us who the wolves are on the fingers wagon.

Spoken like someone who is acutely aware the Fingersplints wagon was nearly entirely pure lol.

The game stats is essentially exactly the same except we have one fewer town.

I’m not sure why you think this should flip out worldviews.

[MacDougall]

So Alison was scum and it was probably with Roxy and/or Kate. She reevaluated on Jack at EOD to make it look like it was Jack, but it was Roxy all along. Baudib is probably still a patsy town, as is obviously Lucy. Some nerd like Sig is mafia and then probably something derpy like Falcon.

[Alison]

Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

How about sheeping my legacy if you're going to do that

[tutuu]

Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

If alison is mafia im adding neon to this

If shes town neon is still cool

[MacDougall]

FWIW I will of course adjust Alison’s wolf equity in my head up slightly but only based on the universal increase that occurs when a VT is yeeted.

It’s not like Alison caused the lynch to happen. The people who voted for Fingers were entirely people who were widely townread and not voting for her.

So anyone pushing the narrative that since we had a town flip, we must kill Alison should be treated with much suspicion.

If you disagree with this and are voting Alison tell us who the wolves are on the fingers wagon.

Spoken like someone who is acutely aware the Fingersplints wagon was nearly entirely pure lol.

The game stats is essentially exactly the same except we have one fewer town.

I’m not sure why you think this should flip out worldviews.

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

I've played this game before. I know how it ends already lol.

[Creature]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

I've played this game before. I know how it ends already lol.

[Baudib1]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

MacDougall’s self-doubt started creeping in after the flip.

[MacDougall]

Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

How about sheeping my legacy if you're going to do that

Sure what is it

[tutuu]

Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

How about sheeping my legacy if you're going to do that

Your legacy is Roxy and your wagon right? Well sorry i didnt actually read

Ok i promise roxy

[MacDougall]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

MacDougall’s self-doubt started creeping in after the flip.

No it's because I'm mafia and by doing this I get to bury town Alison but in the exact way she expects me to do so as town, so I get to kill her for free. It's a real dream come true.

[Baudib1]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

MacDougall’s self-doubt started creeping in after the flip.

No it's because I'm mafia and by doing this I get to bury town Alison but in the exact way she expects me to do so as town, so I get to kill her for free. It's a real dream come true.

Ur not fcking mafia, I am.

[Alison]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

There is a concept in mafia known as "resolving the counterwagon". The idea is that by flipping the top two wagons D1, if one is town and the other is mafia, we can out the whole mafia team by analyzing who was on which wagon. The weakness of this strategy is if both players flip town, which gives us two fruitless days and nothing to show for it. In this case, however, if I flip town I am guaranteed to out multiple mafia with me so it's a good trade.

I think the proposed strategy is logical.

[MacDougall]

God damn it I made a terrible mistake. Fingersplints was such a bad chop day 1 lol. I foolishly put my read over the health of the game.

[MacDougall]

What caused the sudden change from "Don't kill Alison this is just how she plays" to "Let's get Alison's head. NOW."

There is a concept in mafia known as "resolving the counterwagon". The idea is that by flipping the top two wagons D1, if one is town and the other is mafia, we can out the whole mafia team by analyzing who was on which wagon. The weakness of this strategy is if both players flip town, which gives us two fruitless days and nothing to show for it. In this case, however, if I flip town I am guaranteed to out multiple mafia with me so it's a good trade.

I think the proposed strategy is logical.

See what I mean? She's letting me kill her for free. I'm not even one of the people outed. It's beautiful.

[staypositivefriend]

having an existential crisis atm

[Creature]

So Alison was scum and it was probably with Roxy and/or Kate. She reevaluated on Jack at EOD to make it look like it was Jack, but it was Roxy all along. Baudib is probably still a patsy town, as is obviously Lucy. Some nerd like Sig is mafia and then probably something derpy like Falcon.