Cartomancy [Game Over]

[Sabiplz]

Reminder that lucy pushed Roxy for d3 elim because Roxy made lucy ego hurt

Garbage post

And lucy saying anyone that questions her is a wolf like Roxy isn't?

Getting scumread in a game of mafia definitely justifies insulting a confirmed town for no reason other than to try to hurt them

Ur right sabi

Do hold people emotional hostages for scumreading ya. How dare they

You keep changing your mafia reads and Tema reads with every whim and wham.

You lead town to kill Roxy over creature.

You tried to kill the creature wagon again yesterday.

So yea sorry I don't trust your rwads of this game

Ok i trust u lucy sabi is maf

@lucy look at them theyre so mad LMAO

Not mad at all.

Just annoyed that lucy is town that has been wolfsiding and has given us all conflicted reads this game.

[tutuu]

@falcon45ca dont vote me again man i should be spewed town

I was prolly wrong bout u being maf too

Lets shake hands

[tutuu]

If i was mafia id be mad too. How do you throw such a free win. So embarassing man

[tutuu]

OH I FINALLY GOT WHY WOLVES THIUGHT THEY WIN

They pile up on town creature. Play the stop chop card

Frame creature to be zealot. Chop him.

Would be 6v5. Then they just blitz, they have a zealot, they have mac and spf daytalk, they got everything

Was that it? Lmao

[tutuu]

On the last 6v5 day they just bus pile on the zealot mafia, end the game during the end 5v5

[tutuu]

Mac prolly not the zealot since he killed both rondo and seanzie

Ok cool. Im flabbergasted we might win

Note to self: keep track of my post count i can't go super saiyan again

[tutuu]

Mac, I know you’re excited to get to the “guess the zealot” portion of the game but come on.

@lucy if mac is the zealot i just think u should consider jack mafia

Otherwise i fully trust ur judgement Queen

Thanks for saving the game <3

Anyone whos trynna bully lucy - u answer to me first.

[robyn]

Mac, I know you’re excited to get to the “guess the zealot” portion of the game but come on.

@lucy if mac is the zealot i just think u should consider jack mafia

Otherwise i fully trust ur judgement Queen

Thanks for saving the game <3

Anyone whos trynna bully lucy - u answer to me first.

iso me again from day start

[tutuu]

Lucy is the GOAT.

[tutuu]

Theres a card that places 2 votes on someone.

If maf drew it and used it on a town, they can get 7 votes at eod

We need every single town to vote mac. Or whoever lucy tells us. 8>7

[MacDougall]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Whatever mech you think you have is incorrect. I am town.

[MacDougall]

We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

Feels like a wolf play.

Sig is essentially an IC to me. I am not voting him in a thousand years in this game.

[MacDougall]

i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Every town can't vote with you because I am one and I'm not going to self vote so suck my balls.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

1. Wagonomics between 2 teammates can still hold tension this game due to yeet-negation mechanics.

2. Sigs ISO is just wolfy, and maybe I didn't express clearly that I do think both Creature and Sig to be Wolfy. Sig is playing this game, and sidelining while town chews itself up. That was very much a key argument I made yesterday.

3. Creature was not yeeted due to mechanics. Tutuu doesn't invest as much energy into protecting Creature if they are aware they can be saved BY said mechanics.

I think Seanzie flipping T does ultimately point to a Mac wolf world. Mac W very much indicates T Tutuu. This is a very light statement and I'd need to review.

Wilgy is now outed mafia.

[tutuu]

POV: You're reading Mac post his spew

[MacDougall]

I just think Jack is outted.

JACK WHO FORCED THE WAGONS ON TO CREATURE AND KILLED ANY WAGON ON ANYONE ELSE.

I agree. Jack, Wilgy, Dennis, Tutuu and Creature are the mafia imo.

[MacDougall]

i'm pissed and i'll start casing tomorrow i think, every town reading this must follow me and recognize that mafia has incentive to not follow me and to persuade you to not follow me. i'll explain everything more clearly tomorrow, stack on mac until then

You are inting very badly. Very very very badly.

[staypositivefriend]

OH I FINALLY GOT WHY WOLVES THIUGHT THEY WIN

They pile up on town creature. Play the stop chop card

Frame creature to be zealot. Chop him.

Would be 6v5. Then they just blitz, they have a zealot, they have mac and spf daytalk, they got everything

Was that it? Lmao

please dear god turbo this once creature flips mafia

[MacDougall]

Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

[MacDougall]

We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.

Fair.

I don't want to waste a day esp since this game doesn't have hammers.

We know he's outted.

Bad news for ya

I am listening to nobody and making my own judgement from now on. I still think Creature is town.

[staypositivefriend]

i do not think the person who was saved from an elimination after several other people in my POE fought very hard to save him is town

[MacDougall]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Yes?

u can live now that sabi spewed u town

Honestly the mafia are near outing themselves today with their posting. They aren't even trying to look town. And you're just completely ignoring it in favour of confirmation bias based on some incorrect mech or whatever.

Jack, Wilgy and Dennis are blatantly mafia. So is Tutuu.

[tutuu]

OH I FINALLY GOT WHY WOLVES THIUGHT THEY WIN

They pile up on town creature. Play the stop chop card

Frame creature to be zealot. Chop him.

Would be 6v5. Then they just blitz, they have a zealot, they have mac and spf daytalk, they got everything

Was that it? Lmao

please dear god turbo this once creature flips mafia

[staypositivefriend]

tutuu is posting today specifically with the intention to make me mad lol

[MacDougall]

i do not think the person who was saved from an elimination after several other people in my POE fought very hard to save him is town

We shall see. His posting is very sincere/believable to me.

[MacDougall]

I 100% think mafia is spreading chaos and have been this entire game. I think they’ve been using Lucy/Allison posts to assist in that and I think since this day has started it’s clear people are just flooding the thread with nonesense

Which don’t get me wrong it’s super fun I’m enjoying it buuuuut it isn’t helpful.

Tuutuu
Wilgy
Jack
Creature
Sabie?/bereft

These are the 5

Mac making it to end game or this far is meaningless when he hasn’t caught a single mafia member and isn’t super engaged + as sabie pointed out (major civ points there) we haven’t had many planned night kills we’ve got multiple protection and a suicide bomber card as well. It makes sense for mafia to target civ people who aren’t going to get protected.

Sabi is pretty fucken townie. It could be Bereft. I think Dennis.

[MacDougall]

sabi/sig/mac/spf/x

I am quite sure this is 4 town.

[MacDougall]

Fmpov spf, dennis, mac, seanzie, lucy, jack and to an extent creature all openwolfed/trolled that eod. Idk what happened lol

Spf, dennis, mac are clearly w/w/w

Jack might be mafia too if mac is the zealot and creature was.absolved

I dunno why wolves thought all jumping on creature ends the game

Could creature kill 2 mafia after getting chopped?

Like is creature non-zealot mafia who had the vengeful card, and his action was doubled from another card? And a town played the stop chop card?

I was trying to bait mafia into voting sig. That should be pretty obvious. I was always voting Creature over sig cuz I found him as town. I literally went from townlocking him to blatantly voting him just to make his wagon viable enough for mafia to out by voting someone blatantly town.

[MacDougall]

i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Is there a losing order?

This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games

Don't worry you're still a solid mafia for me

If you are town I strongly suggest you reread the latter part of yesterday.

[MacDougall]

one last thing everyone should know, sabi is hard outed

how?

[MacDougall]

tutuu is lolcatting with her posts right now. tutuu spent the entirety of this game hard defending the only player who is (nearly) confirmed to be mafia and she has not had a moment of self-reflection or re-assessment today. this is not how tutuu would be posting right now as a ivllager

if i get eliminated then i am very happy with my legacy to be to immediately kill her with no mercy

I agree.

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca
@Sabiplz
@staypositivefriend
@Bereft
@sig
@Porscha

If any of you are intending to vote for myself or SPF today and sheep Lucy please let me know because I'm not going to try very hard if the game is already over.

If the 7 of us can coalesce and vote together on a mafia that'd be great.

[MacDougall]

Tutuu
Jack
Wilgy
Creature
Dennis

I believe there are 4 or 5 mafia here.

[MacDougall]

@staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.

[tutuu]

@staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.

[staypositivefriend]

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

Why

I have my reasons.

Wanna share with the class

No. End of story.

In hindsight Jack's argument that Creature is not the zealot due to not having been bussed is so awful. Like I did say that Creature's been in contention for forever.
Sig has been in contention approximately never, and it reached its zenith when I convinced Seanzie to vote sig with me and probably somebody else in Mac/SPF.

Regardless of Jack's argument, I just don't see any reasonable worlds where Creature is the zealot.

i don't see any real reason why creature/sig can't be W/W based off of their interactions but the way that multiple players have extremely urgent stakes in which one dies first indicates to me that one of them might actually be town after all

My stake comes from being more confident on Creature and being confident they aren't zealot.

@MacDougall

[tutuu]

I love this game. Mafia in general and this particular game.

[MacDougall]

What possible mech could he have had?

[staypositivefriend]

possibly either the magician card or the chariot

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

1. Wagonomics between 2 teammates can still hold tension this game due to yeet-negation mechanics.

2. Sigs ISO is just wolfy, and maybe I didn't express clearly that I do think both Creature and Sig to be Wolfy. Sig is playing this game, and sidelining while town chews itself up. That was very much a key argument I made yesterday.

3. Creature was not yeeted due to mechanics. Tutuu doesn't invest as much energy into protecting Creature if they are aware they can be saved BY said mechanics.

I think Seanzie flipping T does ultimately point to a Mac wolf world. Mac W very much indicates T Tutuu. This is a very light statement and I'd need to review.

Wilgy is now outed mafia.

How so? I continue my wondering of why I must ask why. It's become the theme of the game for me.

[DrWilgy]

Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

dude, the townfirm has assembled a PoE that is at least semi-sensible.

Just based on how shit went earlier in the day, there's gotta be one between you and SPF.

If Creature is still one and there's one in Sig/Porscha AND the townfirm proves to be correct (Implying Sabi is bad based on Reaction) it really doesn't leave a slot for either Tutuu and Jack who were PoE prior.

[MacDougall]

Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

[DrWilgy]

Like, my Tutuu stance is "If Lucy is trolling us we are fucked anyways, otherwise Tutuu can't be Mafia I think."

My internal counter argument is "Tutuu is having way to much fun as town rn. Being town is suffering, I'd expect a more Mac like outlook."

[DrWilgy]

Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

[MacDougall]

Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

dude, the townfirm has assembled a PoE that is at least semi-sensible.

Just based on how shit went earlier in the day, there's gotta be one between you and SPF.

If Creature is still one and there's one in Sig/Porscha AND the townfirm proves to be correct (Implying Sabi is bad based on Reaction) it really doesn't leave a slot for either Tutuu and Jack who were PoE prior.

Firstly, no they haven't.

Secondly, no there doesn't. At all.

Why is there one in sig/porscha?

You are making worlds predicted on hot air because you and your team intend to win today by virtue of Lucy's dumb solve. Hence Tutuu's blatant pocketing calling Lucy Queen and shit its so obvious from my vantage point.

@lucy I pity the cringe you will soon feel if you go down this path.

[MacDougall]

Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

Suspecting him is one thing but you completely lack town doubt and you've opened today hard wolfsiding. The Jack and you finding each other stuff is hilariously blatant.

[tutuu]

Like, my Tutuu stance is "If Lucy is trolling us we are fucked anyways, otherwise Tutuu can't be Mafia I think."

My internal counter argument is "Tutuu is having way to much fun as town rn. Being town is suffering, I'd expect a more Mac like outlook."

Town is WINNING my man lucy just outed 4 of these mech illiterate wolves to us

And yesterday i just had fun rolling in the mud like a pig

Life is too short to not enjoy and have fun every moment Wilgy, even when ur losing a silly online text game about yelling at people

[DrWilgy]

Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

dude, the townfirm has assembled a PoE that is at least semi-sensible.

Just based on how shit went earlier in the day, there's gotta be one between you and SPF.

If Creature is still one and there's one in Sig/Porscha AND the townfirm proves to be correct (Implying Sabi is bad based on Reaction) it really doesn't leave a slot for either Tutuu and Jack who were PoE prior.

Firstly, no they haven't.

Secondly, no there doesn't. At all.

Why is there one in sig/porscha?

You are making worlds predicted on hot air because you and your team intend to win today by virtue of Lucy's dumb solve. Hence Tutuu's blatant pocketing calling Lucy Queen and shit its so obvious from my vantage point.

@lucy I pity the cringe you will soon feel if you go down this path.

So... What's the deal with Creature survival in your opinion.

If Lucy's proposed chain of yeets is wrong, Creatures survival would need to be explained.

Lucy implied that's where the Zealot was, between Sig/Porscha. Can't really ask why on that one as I don't wish to infringe on info-dumping, but that bit of data is already in the thread.

I mean, your sus on me has been nothing but hot air the entire game... Figured you'd be used to it.

[tutuu]

@lucy I pity the cringe you will soon feel if you go down this path.

that moment when you suck as the mafia alignment so you resort to emotional terrorism

[DrWilgy]

Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

Suspecting him is one thing but you completely lack town doubt and you've opened today hard wolfsiding. The Jack and you finding each other stuff is hilariously blatant.

Dude, I'm out of fucks to give. There's also other players who I think actually have content enough to make me have doubt (you, Bereft, Tutuu, Jack. All these slots I'm unsure on, I'm more sure of others and don't feel like stressing further about things I'm pretty much accepting I won't get to.)

Sig hasn't done anything to warrant that he's not a wolf. Hell, last cycle I was between SPF, Creature and Sig somewhat in equal measure... Maybe SPF slightly behind. We got a "Creature is most likely bad" result and the next sign points to continue with Sig or try to find how Creature survived in you/SPF.