Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Sabiplz]

If Michelle is actually towntelling then Sabi pushing her is >rand w

Michelle always plays with her role card face up but people new to her don't understand this and see an easy target

I have never been great at reading Michelle because she always stiff and weird to me

[Inawordyes]

Cape/Rask, are either of you town?

sure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?


brb

Scotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be town

I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push

I want Nutella to be town but her posts are coming across very weird in a way that didn’t happen in the NPC game when she was town (her severe disinterest in playing because she got pulled in after initially being an NPC aside as it was also the same for me just in the mafia side. and she still became a top tier townie by her death as far as the thread was concerned). Precisely because of the parenthesis I’m hesitant to fully push into it, also I don’t want the point to be missed as just “oh, Iawy is OMGUS’ing Nutella’s vote on them” either, but it’s a thought that I have

I don’t expressly have a read on Sabi yet, but I keep coming back to them as a slot of note that I feel like I should be townreading, but at the same time I am holding myself back from committing to that read. I don’t know why my brain works this way to be able to give an explanation for either read

I am gonna make the Party Crashers love me whether they want to or not

[pyxxy]

one part of me is tempted to not give creature my semi formed worldview, the other part of me thinks if i watch him be lost for an entire cycle his alignment will be obvious

the question is which to do

I'm confused are you saying that explaining your thought process would make him more lost?

and you think he would actually engage with you in either case?

[nutella]

I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push

this i p much do agree with actually, i think hk is >rand a hit

[robyn]

also marmot v

whyfor?

white knighting sabi in a genuine way

I gave them a little space, but I didn't white knight them, did you mean something else?

[Master Radishes]

Is Creature lolcatting?

That's just my normal play

Either that or complaining about the game being boring

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Bruh get your own thing.

[Sabiplz]

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

Sig because he had a weird fake derp about me being sabie. Anyone can genuinely tell we are two different people which proves he hasn't actually thought about the game hence wolf.

Creature, unless he magically is able to not sound in pain, he's out of wolf range. He's paranoid of townreads and being a chaos demon.

[Inawordyes]

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

no

Any reasons other than liking her claim from earlier?

i think p much all her posting around then was just very inno

What's your case on iawy

I had a somewhat joke bad vibe read on him from the first page and his vibe has not improved, he's awkwardly defensive and doesn't come across as particularly solvey as he does when town, but tbf i have had trouble reading him before. My last experience with him he won as wolf in the music anni game 2 so that may be coloring it

It 100% is, but I was incredibly solvey there in a way that specifically designed in part to pocket you, so I get it, no worries

[nutella]

wait was i thinking of the secret playerlist game when i said the music game idk i forget which was which

[nutella]

oh you were mafia in both lol

[Urist]

Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.

I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.

/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist

I’d not want to vote off this phase

Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted

Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish

Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy


I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.


Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.

I'm sabi not sabie

You only played one game with me

Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.

I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead

This feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacy

Sooooo hmmmm

it's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOL
if he's mafia and you're town, there's no particular reason he should know who you are, and therefore no particular reason to fake the derp as mafia

[robyn]

one part of me is tempted to not give creature my semi formed worldview, the other part of me thinks if i watch him be lost for an entire cycle his alignment will be obvious

the question is which to do

I'm confused are you saying that explaining your thought process would make him more lost?

and you think he would actually engage with you in either case?

me not explaining my thoughts to him would make him more lost

it's obv to find villagers in their own corners, so giving him my worldview isn't really in either of our best interests

he would engage with me and he would listen to me

[nutella]

we could just be boring and #d1hk

[Alison]

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

no

Any reasons other than liking her claim from earlier?

i think p much all her posting around then was just very inno

What's your case on iawy

I had a somewhat joke bad vibe read on him from the first page and his vibe has not improved, he's awkwardly defensive and doesn't come across as particularly solvey as he does when town, but tbf i have had trouble reading him before. My last experience with him he won as wolf in the music anni game 2 so that may be coloring it

I'll iso him after lunch

[Golden]

I cant believe no one has done this yet @Porscha 69

I'm like 87% sure someone did that

Lock wolf

I'm officially the top poster

I'm volume cleared.

Gn

I will be shooting you tonight. Fair warning.

Why

I've decided you and Dennis are woofs. Or something.

These were the ones at the time of my read neon. Although I've come around a little on Dennis since then.

On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you think each of these reads were?

I bothered to read my iso...

@Golden

If you answered this I didn't see it

Pls do.

I only have a scale of 0 and 1 and it’s always a 1 unless someone tells me it’s a 0.

[Master Radishes]

I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.

[sig]

Oh wait was Kate the one who claimed VT?

Yes?


Which, if that’s true it probably means we’ve got a cult/recruiting mechanism in place since those usually only target vanilla civs if I remember correctly

this is a huge and wild leap to make lol

Is it?

I feel like in a game like this having vanilla civs is weird so there’s gotta be something to trigger them into not being vanilla

[falcon45ca]

Is Creature lolcatting?

That's just my normal play

Either that or complaining about the game being boring

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Bruh get your own thing.

[Dennis]

@112 @Alison @Creature @DrWilgy @Golden @ilario @Le petit poussin @MacDougall @Master Radishes @Michelle

Three of you are wolves, which three?
Two of you are 3P, which two?
Five of you are town, which five?

Everyone else feel free to take wild shots in the dark too

You scare me

Is this just all the people who haven't said anything yet

this post. @Dennis it just felt out of place, like you needed to interect with me so you had it in your ISO not that you actually wanted to interact with me. Add the fact that you never followed up when I didnt reply to your question without a question mark.

Oh yeah I was thinking something like we talked to each other.

First part is how much you had worked out and I'm generally just scared of you, and I didn't follow up because I realized it was a redundant question and you were just politely telling me to shut up

[Dennis]

i should get policied d3 if i don't have a pelt though

Wrinkled my nose at this and I genuinely don't know to interpret that

You aren't obligated to get wolves, don't put that pressure on yourself

[Inawordyes]

we could just be boring and #d1hk

I wouldn’t be opposed

To explain myself more, me and HK are decent internet friends, have played a lot together, and specifically play super well with and off of each other when we both rand the same alignment and as town can find each other as such. We tend to both acknowledge each other and at least FMPOV pay attention to what the other is doing in the game because if we’re both town it benefits us both to find each other because we make a formidable force as a team

In the past little while, when we end up in a W!HK / V!Iawy rand, HK has tended to alternatingly take one of two approaches:

1) focus on my posts but take subtle digs at my reads and undermine my credibility by being critical of my thoughts in a way that discredits my reliability as a narrator or a reads-maker
2) Ignore my posts entirely to avoid drawing my gaze toward the scum meta tells in his interaction posts

We are currently in a 2) world (where “HK is town and we’re interacting just fine” is either 0) or 3), take your pick), so I do think [on meta grounds] that HK is mafia here

[Inawordyes]

I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.

A “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall case

Tutuu wrote the wall

[Dennis]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

@Dennis j never townread you lol

Oh lol

I guess I thought that because we hadn't gotten into a screaming match yet

[Dennis]

Those are the 3 posts I got to before I realized I didn't cate enough to catch up like 10 pages I'll go respond to pings now

[Dennis]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

Quote a post I made that was in any way egotistical?

Strong suspicions? Strong, already? You're reaching. Why is that?

I'm not acting weird for my civ game, you just don't know me.

I am just so good that I caught you the moment you re-entered the thread. Just like I did in Cartomancy. Sorry about the rand.

So it is egotistical to claim that you are capable of catching a single player as mafia? I see. I'd hate to see what not being egotistical looks like to you. Being completely helpless and unable to do anything, I suppose.

Okay

[Dennis]

its still worth talking about owo

counterpoint: it's useless to discuss.

Why

i thought it was a nothing talking point

I guess I can't really argue with this but I wanted to know why it was pointless. But honestly I can't even remember what we were talking about at this point

[falcon45ca]

I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.

A “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall case

Tutuu wrote the wall

It is to an amoeba.



I do believe Monsieur Radicchio was reveling in his own jocularity

[Golden]

[VOTE: dennis] aubergine

This is a Kate defence vote.

Dennis/iawy were both viable votes for me but I have active suspicion if dennis. Falcon described what I don’t like about that read post… everything is hedgy.

[Golden]

All the votes for Kate are bad and you should feel bad.

[falcon45ca]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

[Golden]

@Kate SVS feels very quiet, should I be worried about that?

[Golden]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

[Master Radishes]

I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.

A “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall case

Tutuu wrote the wall

I said a lot in those characters.

[Master Radishes]

I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.

A “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall case

Tutuu wrote the wall

It is to an amoeba.



I do believe Monsieur Radicchio was reveling in his own jocularity

Leave my jocularity out of this!

[Golden]

we could just be boring and #d1hk

I wouldn’t be opposed

To explain myself more, me and HK are decent internet friends, have played a lot together, and specifically play super well with and off of each other when we both rand the same alignment and as town can find each other as such. We tend to both acknowledge each other and at least FMPOV pay attention to what the other is doing in the game because if we’re both town it benefits us both to find each other because we make a formidable force as a team

In the past little while, when we end up in a W!HK / V!Iawy rand, HK has tended to alternatingly take one of two approaches:

1) focus on my posts but take subtle digs at my reads and undermine my credibility by being critical of my thoughts in a way that discredits my reliability as a narrator or a reads-maker
2) Ignore my posts entirely to avoid drawing my gaze toward the scum meta tells in his interaction posts

We are currently in a 2) world (where “HK is town and we’re interacting just fine” is either 0) or 3), take your pick), so I do think [on meta grounds] that HK is mafia here

Ok I’m actually not that keen on an iawy vote, this post town pings.

[falcon45ca]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

Why?

[Golden]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

Why?

Go read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.

[Dennis]

What wolf agenda? Do tell

you are taking low level potshots to discredit ppl who are town

Please point those out since I'm not sure how you're finding my poe list town

you have taken super shallow stances against dennis and michelle and now me. dennis is probably lhf town getting miswagoned, michelle and i are actually obv town but you are trying to discredit while you can

I wolfed with Dennis and played with town him.

He's jiht and day to his town games.

When he's wolf he's uncomfortable in thread and feels scared of posting his thoughts. He resorts to hedgy reads.

Next.

Where did I discredit Michelle?

Your push on me is in bad faith.

explain the dennis meta since i dont have it then

i dont think he seemed scared to post at all

When he's town: his thoughts are a lot more free flowing and he says things that can be controversial and what not about. The game itself. He's also not hedgy with his reads.

In cartomacy he was avoiding pushing the envelope and kept giving people hedgy reads. He was bad at handling tmi. His fluff was less game focused.

I'm seeing that here.

I can verify this if you look at holes vs cartomacy since those are both his most recent games as either alignments

You also thought I looked like cartomancy in holes, as did svs

[Dennis]

Lol I searched my name and scrolled till I saw something interesting I'm gonna go look at marmot now

[Dennis]

I didn't really read it more like I looked at it and I've got nothing other than I'm still reluctant to play due to the size of the game

[Sloonei]

ebwop

ebwop:

I dig it. Micro interactions like this feel very spontaneously and can be harder to pull off when you're hyper-conscious of your perceived association with the other person.

I dont get it.

The theory is basically that mafia partners are more conscious of how they look in relation to one another. As such, they might be more hesitant to engage in casual chatter like this early in a game. Their interactions might instead tend to feel more choreographed, prepared, or calculated. They'll pick their spots.

So when two players freely and spontaneously engage in a silly little side conversation, it can be taken as an indication that they do not have those concerns about perception against them.

This is not a rock solid tell, nor am I saying that I agree or disagree with pyxxy's read of sig and sabiplz. But I can see where the thought comes from, and it is a read I am willing to acknowledge at this stage of the game (even if I'm projecting my own interpretation onto it).

reasonable tell. my plan was to just wait out until numbers dwindle. most likely will sheep alison/mac if i think theyre town since this is their home arena and they'll probs get nkd early if theyre town. once the numbers die down we should work together if we're both still around.

[falcon45ca]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

Why?

Go read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.

OK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Now that Neon's asleep

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Wut?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think I'm gonna have Radishes tonight

Get your own dinner

[falcon45ca]

So Kate's first 4 posts in Cartomancy are a vote for Sean, and then 3 GIFs...I'd call that a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach to the start of D1.



And then I looked at her first 4 posts in this game...no GIF's, but a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach is also how she started this D1.



There is no real good reason to TR her based off this, and I'm curious @Golden what you see that makes them incompatible for Kate to post as the same faction?

[Golden]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

Why?

Go read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.

OK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?

Yes, I think you’ll notice a significant difference in approach to entering the thread.

Kate is sneaky and quite capable of mixing it up but I wouldn’t say that would im describing is a mistake to begin with. It’s just personality. In carto you’re seeing a Kate that is endeavouring to appear townie. In this game she didn’t gaf.

[Golden]

So Kate's first 4 posts in Cartomancy are a vote for Sean, and then 3 GIFs...I'd call that a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach to the start of D1.



And then I looked at her first 4 posts in this game...no GIF's, but a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach is also how she started this D1.



There is no real good reason to TR her based off this, and I'm curious @Golden what you see that makes them incompatible for Kate to post as the same faction?

Dunno what you’re looking at but it isn’t Kate’s first four posts in carto.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=155&ch=0

[falcon45ca]

Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

Why?

Go read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.

OK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?

Yes, I think you’ll notice a significant difference in approach to entering the thread.

Kate is sneaky and quite capable of mixing it up but I wouldn’t say that would im describing is a mistake to begin with. It’s just personality. In carto you’re seeing a Kate that is endeavouring to appear townie. In this game she didn’t gaf.

No GIFs, but the tone is very similar IMO

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Dennis j never townread you lol

Good vibes from Dennis in the quoted post

I don't think there's a single read he gave in that post that doesn't contain the word "but". It's hedgey AF

But

No buts. I'll vote Dennis in a second...in fact


[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I like this vote

Let's be friends and not kill each other

Actually like I almost always TR you it's usually the other people who kill you

But still

To be pocketed, or not to be...that is the question: Whether tis' nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of OUTRAGEOUS fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them?



OK, let's live and let live. Thoughts on Kate?

I'll be honest I can't read Kate for shit and usually listen to SVS and Golden on that. Which works out unless they are exactly W/W/W usually I think.

Nothing Kate has done has pinged me though so far.

[falcon45ca]

So Kate's first 4 posts in Cartomancy are a vote for Sean, and then 3 GIFs...I'd call that a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach to the start of D1.



And then I looked at her first 4 posts in this game...no GIF's, but a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach is also how she started this D1.



There is no real good reason to TR her based off this, and I'm curious @Golden what you see that makes them incompatible for Kate to post as the same faction?

Dunno what you’re looking at but it isn’t Kate’s first four posts in carto.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=155&ch=0

Yeah, my bad. I'll re-assess