Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Master Radishes]

If I had a shot I'd shoot Dizzy.

Not that I scumread him exactly, but there was another game where I was really close to hero-shooting him and stuck to the 'safe' choice and it was a mistake, so I want to get another opportunity.

[Master Radishes]

Basically if at any point this game Dizzy gets vigged I'm just going to pre-hardclaim that now.

[Marmot]

I browsed some of Dennis's ISO.

Dennis doesn't feel like Dennis from Cartomancy (his only scum game), where I think he did play with a lot of snark and confidence, but often strayed towards posts that didn't offer much content.

He is making reads (NAI), but he's also engaging in extended interactions and offering some clarity in his thought process which I think is rand!v. Golden mentioned in P#2084 that he finds players who excuse themselves from solving early in this game due to the volume to be mildly scummy, but even though Dennis made that excuse, he isn't even doing that, and that was true as of the time Golden made that comment.

It is possible that w!Dennis realizes that the way he played in Cartomancy would be hard to replicate again given it would just be hard to get away with relying purely on snark again, but I don't think this is it.

@Seanzie

I didn't catch Dennis in Cartomancy, and while many people said they played quite differently than their previous games, I remember looking at their ISO and just not seeing it, so my "meh" read is not really based on how Cartomancy!Dennis compares to previous-games!Dennis.

Why would playing snarky be hard to replicate? If anything, that would be easy to replicate, but Dennis might not do it since it would remind people of their recent wolf game.

He seemed to rely mostly on snark in Cartomancy to assert his confidence. I was also MoDDing that game, so I was watching the whole game and everything he said with TMI, and that was the main thing I noticed with his scum play.

That was my point, I don't think it would be hard to replicate, I just think it would be an easy pattern to notice, and thus hard to get away with again.

[Marmot]

If I had a shot I'd shoot Dizzy.

Not that I scumread him exactly, but there was another game where I was really close to hero-shooting him and stuck to the 'safe' choice and it was a mistake, so I want to get another opportunity.

If Dizzy is town, he will find the wolves.

If Dizzy is wolf, he will hellbus his partners.


It's a win/win scenario to keep him alive.

[Master Radishes]

I was staring at the vote list just now and making reads based off the composition of certain 2-vote wagons and I suddenly remembered that I used to be considered good at this game.

[Seanzie]

Actually fuck whoever said Scotty was town earlier.

Scotty wolf definitely.

Why Scotty wolf? I barely remember any feelings I've had thus far this game, but Scotty okay was one I do remember having from early game.

I don't like some of his takes and his position/interaction with other people who are scummy just feels off.

It's like 1:30am and I don't want to actually wagon 'im yet, so I'll leave that until tomorrow or something. Tomorrow as in D2.

These posts:

Spoiler: show

These jokey posts in particular stand out as toe-dipped-in the-pool energy

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Why you picking on my kid?

@Dennis you're not bad are ya?

@Marmot @pyxxy @lucy @Dennis @Kate @Cape90 @etc

Vite him

Rondo? Tempting, I like to vote rondo. I'll reread him.

Does she actually think Dennis is bad? Is she actually going to get anything out of her reread of Rondo’s ISO?

I do trust Golden’s meta read on Kate

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

However, I think both good and bad Golden would defend Kate here. Don’t know which it is yet

made me feel like I had a parrot on my shoulder since I had nearly the same thoughts pretty much in real time.

They did fluff a lot more early game than I thought, but meh, that's probably NAI. After this, they've gotten a lot quieter as the day has gone on, but I am fine with their takes. Can you please point out which ones you take offense to?

Townie because jokey then prolly NAI. Quiet but liked their takes... hard to follow mate. Which takes did u like?

I'd like to wait to hear from Ender before I answer this. I want to see their thoughts.

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Weird ass read.

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I feel like there's at least two wolves in this mess. Specifically in Scotty/IAWY/Cape

Then there's not a whole lot in the rest of the ISO that makes me think different.

All of those posts happened within the first hour of the game. Some of them I clearly read as sarcastic/fluffy (but not all). Did the timing of these interactions factor into your read of them?

[Master Radishes]

If I had a shot I'd shoot Dizzy.

Not that I scumread him exactly, but there was another game where I was really close to hero-shooting him and stuck to the 'safe' choice and it was a mistake, so I want to get another opportunity.

If Dizzy is town, he will find the wolves.

If Dizzy is wolf, he will hellbus his partners.


It's a win/win scenario to keep him alive.

Also everyone loves Dizzy so keeping him alive is good for that reason too!

I actually feel weirdly and probably stupidly confident in my ability to read Dizzy now. He and I are different personalities but we play the game on similar wavelengths and having now seen his scum game a couple times I can sense a vibey sorta difference.

[Seanzie]

@Marmot why are you voting Ender?

I didn't like some of his reads, particularly his Cape one in P#3086 I think is a very wolfy post.

Although overall, that read has waned since then, especially given his reasoning for actually suspecting Cape is sound.

If your Ender read has waned, then why aren't you voting me?

[EnderWiggin]

Why Scotty wolf? I barely remember any feelings I've had thus far this game, but Scotty okay was one I do remember having from early game.

I don't like some of his takes and his position/interaction with other people who are scummy just feels off.

It's like 1:30am and I don't want to actually wagon 'im yet, so I'll leave that until tomorrow or something. Tomorrow as in D2.

These posts:

Spoiler: show

These jokey posts in particular stand out as toe-dipped-in the-pool energy

Why you picking on my kid?

@Dennis you're not bad are ya?

Rondo? Tempting, I like to vote rondo. I'll reread him.

Does she actually think Dennis is bad? Is she actually going to get anything out of her reread of Rondo’s ISO?

I do trust Golden’s meta read on Kate

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

However, I think both good and bad Golden would defend Kate here. Don’t know which it is yet

made me feel like I had a parrot on my shoulder since I had nearly the same thoughts pretty much in real time.

They did fluff a lot more early game than I thought, but meh, that's probably NAI. After this, they've gotten a lot quieter as the day has gone on, but I am fine with their takes. Can you please point out which ones you take offense to?

Townie because jokey then prolly NAI. Quiet but liked their takes... hard to follow mate. Which takes did u like?

I'd like to wait to hear from Ender before I answer this. I want to see their thoughts.

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Weird ass read.

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I feel like there's at least two wolves in this mess. Specifically in Scotty/IAWY/Cape

Then there's not a whole lot in the rest of the ISO that makes me think different.

All of those posts happened within the first hour of the game. Some of them I clearly read as sarcastic/fluffy (but not all). Did the timing of these interactions factor into your read of them?

The fact that they were all close-ish together relative to each other? Yes.

Their relativity to game start? Not really.

[Marmot]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

This is wolf.

Why has no one voted this.

Do you know just how many people have voted this because it is greater than 0

In my defense....

Look! Squirrel!

[Master Radishes]

I was staring at the vote list just now and making reads based off the composition of certain 2-vote wagons and I suddenly remembered that I used to be considered good at this game.

For example, the fact that Alison has a 2-person wagon of 112 and Rondo probably just means she's town. Do not take this as a personal read of her, as I refuse to do that until like D3, but if we're toying with wagonomics (which we shouldn't) then yeah, that.

And Cape and IAWY being the two remaininder Ender wagoners also means something I think but I keep going in circles as to what. Like they were probably the sussiest voters on a sussy wagon that has cooled off, so like...yeah, something, but iunno what.

Seriously why do I still even try to play this game, I feel stupid just typing this out.

[Marmot]

@Marmot why are you voting Ender?

I didn't like some of his reads, particularly his Cape one in P#3086 I think is a very wolfy post.

Although overall, that read has waned since then, especially given his reasoning for actually suspecting Cape is sound.

If your Ender read has waned, then why aren't you voting me?

I only have one vote and can't place it everywhere.

Also, I'm leaving in a moment. I should be back before EOD, but I'm putting my vote on Cape because I prefer it to the Dennis wagon.

[Dyslexicon]

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

I don't get how Porscha feels like she doesn't have a team specifically, and she was literally mid posting at this time. I have not vibed with your takes and impulses this game, my gay

[Dyslexicon]

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

I don't get how Porscha feels like she doesn't have a team specifically, and she was literally mid posting at this time. I have not vibed with your takes and impulses this game, my gay

Said Lily

[Master Radishes]

This time last GoC like 6 people were dead.

Boring.

[Dyslexicon]

If I had a shot I'd shoot Dizzy.

Not that I scumread him exactly, but there was another game where I was really close to hero-shooting him and stuck to the 'safe' choice and it was a mistake, so I want to get another opportunity.

That was so hawt

[Marmot]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

[Master Radishes]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

Too many boring players.

Let's make a new wagon!

[Dennis]

So what's up with pyxxy? Why were people saying it was an easy wolf before?

[RondoDimBuckle]

alison resisting the urge to soft her desperado shot



neon resisting the urge to soft her dayvig



guillotine shooting hollowkatt with his big gun



porscha trying to post an image on a forum



rondo dropping another banger of a post



nutella baking a lemon cake with green herbs on top



lucy using light theme



sabi writing the most profound flame when someone scumreads them



enderwiggin (left) and urist (right) taking a bath

A good 10 minutes straight laughing tutuu you genius

[Dennis]

Now two people are on pyxxy. Hmm

I didn't catch up all that much from last post to be clear

[Dennis]

I'm pretty confident in Marmot town

[Seanzie]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

I kind of get the feeling you're not actually concerned about me and my alignment, and instead are concerned about Dennis.

[Creature]

I am tiredered.

[Creature]

Wished there was an actual town dayvig.

[Creature]

pyxxy is still a wolf but I would rather do Ancape90.

[Master Radishes]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

Also, stale wagons at this phase of D1 are usually a sign it's a town wagon, imo, at least more often than not. Don't make me back that up. But also in a game of this size there's likely a wolf team with the numbers that make individual packmates feel comfortable jumping or not jumping around on wagons. Like when there's only a 3-person team people are more conscious of where they land their votes I'd say? But when there's a lot of you you don't worry as much. So basically wagonomics is invalid in this game and don't listen to anyone espousing ideas based on such nonsense, especially not vegetables.

Beyond that I do think Dennis getting this much polarising attention also likely makes him town? I've not read any of this posts (or rather I've not paid attention to any) so I'm sure he's sussy but the fact there are people willing to defend him makes it feel like the scum want to nudge a misyeet along but some also want to softly white knight him and some town have valid reasons to TR Dennis and some see scummy signs because there are some, and yeah, I'm rambling now.

Anyway, based on absolutely no personal basis, I hesitate to join in there.

[Marmot]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

Too many boring players.

Let's make a new wagon!

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I'll probably move back to Dennis because wagons are a thing, but

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Creature]

atp I am literally waiting for the day to end so we can get some flips.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Doesn't seem feasible for someone who still eats crayons

He eats colored pencils!

Reading is fundamental.

oops, you already made the joke for me

Hi Kate!

Do you think Dennis is wolf or town so far?

Town. He doesn't seem nervous at all. He was nervous when he was mafia. Plus with this many people, he'd be more nervous.

OK, this was the post I was talking about earlier.

I was thinking that maybe he might be more comfortable after Cartomancy, he seemed pretty acclimated to Baddiedom by the end of that. I ask you this not becasue I specifically suspect him, but because so many others do.

Why are they wrong? I have to go back and iso him, there's no way i'm gonna catch up by reading the thread in context at this point. Also, what is your feel on Golden? I don't think him townreading you out of the gate is AI, it's something he'd do either way, and I am not a fan of the people who jumped on him for it, but didn't jump on the jillions od posts out there, "Player x, Town". But it didn't autoclear him for me, and I'd like to know what you think.

I am gonna try to come up with a ragged reads list; ragged becasue I don't know lots of people, and don't fully understand their suspicions. Day One is hard. Especially when work is a bitch.

This is a wolfy post fmpov. I have never felt like SVS is one to complain, just get stuck into it. But n=2 so we will see.

Jesus it took me five minutes just to isolate these clips out of the quote text.

You don't know me, you don't know my game. LGM was half a game, and you checked out of Felt. When you subbed into LGM, I was TERRIFIED of you. I almost backed out of Felt when you signed up at the last minute, I found you so frightening (Kate will vouch). In LGM you barked orders, unreasonable hypothetical requests and demands for lists I wasn't prepared to make. And I did all of it, to still be in your POE when I was a civ. I don't know if you thought that was all funny, or what.

Then in Felt you lost your shit when Falcon was lynched, and mostly ghosted the game. So how do you know I don't complain? Becasue i meekly did what you demanded of me, and was too terrified (not your fault by the way, just my reaction to your whole "Rondoness") to tell you to fuck off in LGM, lol? I always try to be polite but even polite people have bad days.

You do you, I am not critisizing you, just explaining where you might have gotten the idea I was a compliant meek person. I am not.

Can someone summarize for me (and maybe all the other catcher uppers) why Dennis has six votes? Like a Cliffs notes lol

Read my ISO, the big wall posts are a big summary of what I think matters D1. But still not complete game encompassing. I want your reads list tyvm

I am reading ISOs alphabetically, I might not get to you until late. I did take Dennis out of order since when I got home he was vote leader, and I don't see what the big issue is, so I am asking people who suspect him to summarize. I plan to read on my own as well, but am asking for some help here, not trying to skirt my homework, Mr DimBuckle, sir.

I do plan on having a list of some kind before EOD, I don't have much else to do except play Mafia today, though. I've mostly heard only the loud voices, today I need to ISO and read the quiet voices.

Not my intention I am just assertive in certain playstyles. I wouldn't say I checked out of felt I was low posting and people didn't listen to me. Sending good vibes.

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[Seanzie]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

Too many boring players.

Let's make a new wagon!

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Damn, ninja'd.

[Dennis]

pyxxy is still a wolf but I would rather do Ancape90.

Why is pyxxy a wolf

[Master Radishes]

Fuck me I read my own posts back and I don't even get what I'm trying to say.


I haven't played properly in like a year besides a one-off game in the summer, and I actually feel rusty when trying to articulate things. I'm going to go back to just 'hmm'ing everything.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also by the by I do not think svs is compliant or meek, svs has quality reads that I want to crack her open and read

[Seanzie]

pyxxy is still a wolf but I would rather do Ancape90.

Why is pyxxy a wolf

I think the case is that there was something between Lucy and Pyxxy and that is why Lucy is dedded.

[Dyslexicon]

did porscha obvtown herself? i dont really think so but i do think im leaning town rn

She should not be murdered.

[Creature]

Dennis

might be town

maybe

and I think

Cape90 is a wolf

and I don't care

if his wagon is stale

because what the fuck else are we supposed to do

when we have to wait until deadline hits over?

Wagons are gonna get naturally stale

because there's too much time on the clock

and people would rather park

where they believe wolf is

than constantly change wagons

that won't matter

because

THERE'S TOO MUCH FUCKING TIME LEFT BEFORE THE DEADLINE.

[Marmot]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

I kind of get the feeling you're not actually concerned about me and my alignment, and instead are concerned about Dennis.

I think Dennis is more likely to be a miss, and it does concern me a little bit that his wagon hasn't changed at all over the course of Day 1, especially given that votes on him have reasoning such as "his ISO is meh"

I want and expect something more than that from you.


I also don't think PC is town, so their vote on on Dennis makes that wagon slightly less "good" imo.

[Creature]

pyxxy is still a wolf but I would rather do Ancape90.

Why is pyxxy a wolf

He is a lot lot more underwhelming than in his town games. He literally posted lots and lots of texts with his reads in those games. Here he is just very defensive.

[Seanzie]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

I kind of get the feeling you're not actually concerned about me and my alignment, and instead are concerned about Dennis.

I think Dennis is more likely to be a miss, and it does concern me a little bit that his wagon hasn't changed at all over the course of Day 1, especially given that votes on him have reasoning such as "his ISO is meh"

I want and expect something more than that from you.


I also don't think PC is town, so their vote on on Dennis makes that wagon slightly less "good" imo.

PC is an NPC.

[Marmot]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

Too many boring players.

Let's make a new wagon!

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Damn, ninja'd.

What do you think of the other voters on the Dennis wagon?

[Marmot]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

I kind of get the feeling you're not actually concerned about me and my alignment, and instead are concerned about Dennis.

I think Dennis is more likely to be a miss, and it does concern me a little bit that his wagon hasn't changed at all over the course of Day 1, especially given that votes on him have reasoning such as "his ISO is meh"

I want and expect something more than that from you.


I also don't think PC is town, so their vote on on Dennis makes that wagon slightly less "good" imo.

PC is an NPC.

Did they explicitly claim that?

It's an assumption I wanted to make too, but their name is literally PC, so

[Marmot]

Fuck me I read my own posts back and I don't even get what I'm trying to say.


I haven't played properly in like a year besides a one-off game in the summer, and I actually feel rusty when trying to articulate things. I'm going to go back to just 'hmm'ing everything.

Hmmmmmmm

[Dyslexicon]

Can we not with the Sean votes.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Sabi could have more votes. Didn't really like her thing with Nut or Mac. I'm sorry, gay, uwu no mad at me

[Dennis]

pyxxy is still a wolf but I would rather do Ancape90.

Why is pyxxy a wolf

He is a lot lot more underwhelming than in his town games. He literally posted lots and lots of texts with his reads in those games. Here he is just very defensive.

I only played one game with pyxxy and that game is a blur in my memory now. So I guess if more people vouch for this than sure but I just remember he was a generic townie then and I think he is here too

[Seanzie]

The Dennis voters haven't moved very much which is also weird imo. His wagon has been at 5+ votes for a while now.

I don't like Sean's vote, but I don't actively suspect anyone else on that wagon. Then again Neon is the only one I have a TR on there.


I'm not really sure what to make of this atm, but I expected more wagon fluctuation in such a large game, and that hasn't really happened.

Too many boring players.

Let's make a new wagon!

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Damn, ninja'd.

What do you think of the other voters on the Dennis wagon?

Aside from NPC, I am not 100% sure I've actually read a single post by any of them.

[Creature]

Did you know

that wolves

would rather

wait

until the very last hour

to shake up

the stale wagons

because they know

that only

the very last hour

matters

and that

if they try to

shake up things earlier

they run the risk

of the wagon

coming back

full force

near EOD

and exposing a lot of them

at the same time

and therefore

it's much better

they allow wagons to go stale

and then try to switch them

near EOD?

[Master Radishes]

Did you know

that wolves

would rather

wait

until the very last hour

to shake up

the stale wagons

because they know

that only

the very last hour

matters

and that

if they try to

shake up things earlier

they run the risk

of the wagon

coming back

full force

near EOD

and exposing a lot of them

at the same time

and therefore

it's much better

they allow wagons to go stale

and then try to switch them

near EOD?

Did you know

that wolves do all sorts of things

and towns do all sorts of things

and wagons form and unform in all sorts of ways

and scissors are not for cutting radish peens

?