Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Party Crasher]

Also it seems like there’s a lot of logic leaps going on so far this game.

For example

You know what annoys me? It's that a bunch of players who have the capacity to be loud, obvious, extremely solvey town have decided this game to not do much. I don't think they're all mafia so some of them are just being lazy town, and I guess real life is a thing and I've done that as town before too but it is annoying that there happen to be so many this game.

Examples include Dizzy, Ender, Seanzie, Sloonei.

Additionaly ive been thinking why scum kill the people they have killed on night 1 instead of the legendary names here such as those four, you, macdougal and nutella.

We’ve had one known mafia kill why is it odd that they didn’t target the people who are most likely to

1. Be protected or watched
2. Are town leaders who for all we know are driving town off the cliff
3. Could be tied to them

Same for Macs Logic of me being mafia means Wilgy is cleared there’s som very like early tying going on that doesn’t even make sense

ehh
I don't think it's too unlikely that mafia have a strongman kill
(and when you have 7 people... what is the WIFOM argument)

"they could be wrong" sure I guess but also
A) Potential to re-eval
B) People would keep being wrong without those people, but they'd be more easily goadable

and the last one is, for one, completely hypothetical, and secondly, generally not a reason to not kill somebody

[Party Crasher]

i ate 4 oranges and my belly hurts from the acid @nutella pls rub it so it heals ;-;

-t

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

[Party Crasher]

Also everyone being discussed right now is a lower poster which is a red flag especially paired with Sabi being a high poster.

I’m betting at least one of the people who’s super active and just sowing chaos/posts is mafia

Then someone in the town core is mafia.

Then maybe a handful of slanker/low posters

This is funny because it's the thought process I'm quite literally trying to agitate against, but if you want to bring back clown hour @Guillotine and @Creature would probably welcome a great meeting of the minds with you. I'll step back and let you hunt big game. Bring us a grand pelt oh great ancient hunter.

I agree
It's day 2
no need to deepwolf hunt yet, we should clear out the PoE first and see where that gets us, while more people are still alive.

[sig]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

I quite literally only see the reasoning on SVS and even that is mainly meta based.

112, isn’t super active or posting what they’ve posted all read genuine

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Sean: No idea of anything they said besides that they shot and claimed. This is likely the best chance to hit mafia of the group since I could see them using the factional kill on Illyro and taking credit when they flipped 3rd party.

MR: He could be mafia but he’s more reading as overwhelmed town/maybe third party


Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

[MacDougall]

Pursuing the argument "why didn't the mafia spk n1" requires you to...
a) Know they actually didn't and fail
b) Assume they didn't view Rask as a gigantic threat
c) Make kills designed to avoid protection

When you have town information, that is to say none, you cannot rationally pursue this argument. I suggest it be put to bed now.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Marmot
master radishes
112
S~V~S

I think HK is town on ISO. I'll defer to Alison on Guillo. I'm taking sig out because of my personal read there.

Radishes iso is bad. All four of these are wolfy.

I wish Sabi's ISO wasn't broken so I could fucking read whether any of them are spewed town lol.

Sabi's ISO is not broken. Anyone knows that Michelle is lock clear from her push in Sabi and im unaligned with Sabi for how i put Sabi on tje spot for offering a truce to Michelle, when truces are uncharacteristic of Sabi.

Because I supplied the link to the mod to fix it. No actual proof but get that out of here

this is an odd way to take this post.

Something empirically false was in the thread. At the time of Mac posting the link was broken, I checked myself. I sent Mac the correct link and then Nanook. If Guillo is going to catch wolf Mac its not for something I know to be true.

But I don't think Guillo was saying that mac was a wolf because of that, if he was that would be absolutely ludicrous

who?

[sig]

Also it seems like there’s a lot of logic leaps going on so far this game.

For example

You know what annoys me? It's that a bunch of players who have the capacity to be loud, obvious, extremely solvey town have decided this game to not do much. I don't think they're all mafia so some of them are just being lazy town, and I guess real life is a thing and I've done that as town before too but it is annoying that there happen to be so many this game.

Examples include Dizzy, Ender, Seanzie, Sloonei.

Additionaly ive been thinking why scum kill the people they have killed on night 1 instead of the legendary names here such as those four, you, macdougal and nutella.

We’ve had one known mafia kill why is it odd that they didn’t target the people who are most likely to

1. Be protected or watched
2. Are town leaders who for all we know are driving town off the cliff
3. Could be tied to them

Same for Macs Logic of me being mafia means Wilgy is cleared there’s som very like early tying going on that doesn’t even make sense

ehh
I don't think it's too unlikely that mafia have a strongman kill
(and when you have 7 people... what is the WIFOM argument)

"they could be wrong" sure I guess but also
A) Potential to re-eval
B) People would keep being wrong without those people, but they'd be more easily goadable

and the last one is, for one, completely hypothetical, and secondly, generally not a reason to not kill somebody

I guess I’m kinda arguing against myself here, since i do think we probably have mafia in one of the top players, but I don’t like the reasoning Gullio is using for it

[RondoDimBuckle]

You know what I'm tired of trying to herd cats. I'm going to take a short hiatus from the game and when I return I'm going to bring back Dalai Mac.

My god people can we just lift the bar ever so slightly on what qualifies as worth pushing? We need to focus. We've literally lost 6 town on day 2. Please do better than jumping at people cuz they suspect you. Work with me here.

I am letting you do your thing, let me do mine, there is no need to get worked up about it.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

why not?

[Golden]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

I quite literally only see the reasoning on SVS and even that is mainly meta based.

112, isn’t super active or posting what they’ve posted all read genuine

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Sean: No idea of anything they said besides that they shot and claimed. This is likely the best chance to hit mafia of the group since I could see them using the factional kill on Illyro and taking credit when they flipped 3rd party.

MR: He could be mafia but he’s more reading as overwhelmed town/maybe third party


Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

Ok so there are some literal isos of these people in the thread based on connectivity to sabi that it seems you may have missed.

[Dyslexicon]

Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

PoE is PoE because other people are towny. Which other players hasn't done anything towny in your opinion? I disagree if you're going to say Mac or Nut, and these are people I do read well.

[sig]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

why not?

And this is why I’m being paranoid about these three. Nutella keeps trying to shut me down anytime I mention Creature or Scotty both of whom could be mafia.

[nutella]

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Marmot looks paired with sabi from a few things and while they were active on d1 a lot of that was pushing town.

[sig]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

I quite literally only see the reasoning on SVS and even that is mainly meta based.

112, isn’t super active or posting what they’ve posted all read genuine

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Sean: No idea of anything they said besides that they shot and claimed. This is likely the best chance to hit mafia of the group since I could see them using the factional kill on Illyro and taking credit when they flipped 3rd party.

MR: He could be mafia but he’s more reading as overwhelmed town/maybe third party


Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

Ok so there are some literal isos of these people in the thread based on connectivity to sabi that it seems you may have missed.

Who made said ISO? I’ll go back and reread but yea I don’t think I saw any for them.

[Party Crasher]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

why not?

And this is why I’m being paranoid about these three. Nutella keeps trying to shut me down anytime I mention Creature or Scotty both of whom could be mafia.

could it not just be
nutella
as a villager
thinking that creature and scotty are also town?

[MacDougall]

@Golden do you realise that Rask was strongly townreading Marmot by the time the day ended? Arguably his most vocal townread actually.

[nutella]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

why not?

I'm pretty comfortable calling creature town for a while, he's just doing his normal stuff

[RondoDimBuckle]

I like your summary and agree with all of it.

I do not like Mac giving dizzy a softball

What am I supposed to say if Dyslexicon's appraisal of the game after catch up is a near mirror image of mine? How can I articulate that in a way that doesn't ping you next time?

You know what... you might not be a wolf. But also you're a crafty bugger. Its less about Dizzy saying the things you want to hear and rather that you just towncore him for things he could just see you are saying and then proceed to say them. Maybe I am insane and need to ease up on my turbo juice

Humour me and answer the question?

Its impossible. I dont mean it in the sense that you are wolfy and therefore you are unable to say it in a way that wont ping me. Its just me looking for things that could be weird. Like if Nutella had just watched Dizzy catch up and gave Dizzy a softball town read I would have called it scummy. It was just how it was from my point of view?

[Golden]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

I quite literally only see the reasoning on SVS and even that is mainly meta based.

112, isn’t super active or posting what they’ve posted all read genuine

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Sean: No idea of anything they said besides that they shot and claimed. This is likely the best chance to hit mafia of the group since I could see them using the factional kill on Illyro and taking credit when they flipped 3rd party.

MR: He could be mafia but he’s more reading as overwhelmed town/maybe third party


Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

Ok so there are some literal isos of these people in the thread based on connectivity to sabi that it seems you may have missed.

Who made said ISO? I’ll go back and reread but yea I don’t think I saw any for them.

I don’t think this is a bad look for you (or good either, it’s nai) but before you go back I want to ask you a follow up q:

Do you think the fact you were in there was more inclined to make you view the others on the list as ‘likely to have no case’?

[nutella]

Like if Nutella had just watched Dizzy catch up and gave Dizzy a softball town read I would have called it scummy.

I did.

[MacDougall]

It intrigues me to find that Rask strongly suspected Golden and townread Marmot, but Golden has promoted the idea that Rask found Marmot/Sabi to be w/w. Seems disingenuous.

[EnderWiggin]

POE

112
ender
golden
iawy
party crashers
sig

@sig if ur town can u do the things that make it obvious for me thx

I think PC's reaction to you at EoD is actually very towny if you think about it. I swear there was something else relating to claim business that also made them towny to me, but I can't find it.

Unrelated to this post, its just something I thought of when I saw Dyslexicons profile picture. Has Ender done anything back and forth with Dys? Point against if not because by now they should have sorted each other out and I have seen nothing and I have read the whole game bar catching up today

Blatant misinfo when I'm 90% I've said something about Dizzy already.

That being said they haven't been in thread with me much so harder to be confident.

[MacDougall]

It intrigues me to find that Rask strongly suspected Golden and townread Marmot, but Golden has promoted the idea that Rask found Marmot/Sabi to be w/w. Seems disingenuous.

[Party Crasher]

This almost certainly goes without saying but if you're saying the consensus PoE is bad, give your own PoE, or at least the people who you think should/should not be in there.

[EnderWiggin]

(The read was/is that I think Dizzy hasn't hit any of the wolf-notes I expect if they were wolf.)

[MacDougall]

sorry for dbl posting

[Golden]

It intrigues me to find that Rask strongly suspected Golden and townread Marmot, but Golden has promoted the idea that Rask found Marmot/Sabi to be w/w. Seems disingenuous.

I haven’t promoted that idea?

[Dyslexicon]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

why not?

And this is why I’m being paranoid about these three. Nutella keeps trying to shut me down anytime I mention Creature or Scotty both of whom could be mafia.

Scotty shot IAWY loudly in thread. He claimed the shot was silent, which I believe because the Lucy shot was silent. If Scotty was mafia, he could've just shot someone who was town and widely town read instead of clearing up the player who was most scum read of all. Does that make sense?

I've skipped over many of Creature's posts tbh, but what I've seen is very much in line with other games I've played with him where he's town. Complaining a lot and not liking any wagons and being all over the place. I trust consensus reads there.

[sig]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

I quite literally only see the reasoning on SVS and even that is mainly meta based.

112, isn’t super active or posting what they’ve posted all read genuine

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Sean: No idea of anything they said besides that they shot and claimed. This is likely the best chance to hit mafia of the group since I could see them using the factional kill on Illyro and taking credit when they flipped 3rd party.

MR: He could be mafia but he’s more reading as overwhelmed town/maybe third party


Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

Ok so there are some literal isos of these people in the thread based on connectivity to sabi that it seems you may have missed.

Who made said ISO? I’ll go back and reread but yea I don’t think I saw any for them.

I don’t think this is a bad look for you (or good either, it’s nai) but before you go back I want to ask you a follow up q:

Do you think the fact you were in there was more inclined to make you view the others on the list as ‘likely to have no case’?

Depends who makes and who supports said list

In the case of Mac who’s been ping ponging on me yes it makes me dismiss it to a degree since like I said it seems like he’s scrambling a bit.

Same for creature but that’s because I think he’s well within his mafia meta and throwing out LHF

Other people throwing around said list are less likely to be instantly voided, but again at least the trend I’ve been noticing is we seem to (On TS as a whole) either go paranoid and go after town leaders or go in the opposite and go after the low hanging fruit which that POE is filled of

[EnderWiggin]

I too like to vote people in their town meta.

We need to do back and forth.

Yes. If you're around nowish I'm just catching up. Just had my toe x-rayed to confirm I fractured it getting out of bed

[nutella]

It intrigues me to find that Rask strongly suspected Golden and townread Marmot, but Golden has promoted the idea that Rask found Marmot/Sabi to be w/w. Seems disingenuous.

Hm

[Golden]

It intrigues me to find that Rask strongly suspected Golden and townread Marmot, but Golden has promoted the idea that Rask found Marmot/Sabi to be w/w. Seems disingenuous.

I haven’t promoted that idea?

To be honest I haven’t read rasks posts at all and the fact he apparently had a legacy wolf read on me was news to me when someone said it.

I gave the eyes to a post that was marmot and sabi interaction.

[Dyslexicon]

Blatant misinfo when I'm 90% I've said something about Dizzy already.

That being said they haven't been in thread with me much so harder to be confident.

Hello, teammate.

[EnderWiggin]

You know what annoys me? It's that a bunch of players who have the capacity to be loud, obvious, extremely solvey town have decided this game to not do much. I don't think they're all mafia so some of them are just being lazy town, and I guess real life is a thing and I've done that as town before too but it is annoying that there happen to be so many this game.

Examples include Dizzy, Ender, Seanzie, Sloonei.

My problem is v much irl.

But I also have been loud and solvy and then got Cape killed, as I feel I was one of the catalysts in wagoning him.

[EnderWiggin]

Blatant misinfo when I'm 90% I've said something about Dizzy already.

That being said they haven't been in thread with me much so harder to be confident.

Hello, teammate.

Hello friend.

[sig]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

why not?

And this is why I’m being paranoid about these three. Nutella keeps trying to shut me down anytime I mention Creature or Scotty both of whom could be mafia.

could it not just be
nutella
as a villager
thinking that creature and scotty are also town?

Maybe, she’s the most foily part of the hat for sure.

I haven’t gotten time to read through scotty and Creatuee yet, but like I said excluding them from the POE seems baffling.

[Dyslexicon]

I too like to vote people in their town meta.

We need to do back and forth.

Yes. If you're around nowish I'm just catching up. Just had my toe x-rayed to confirm I fractured it getting out of bed

Lol, that's awful and funny.

Was it... your big toe? :3

[Golden]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

I quite literally only see the reasoning on SVS and even that is mainly meta based.

112, isn’t super active or posting what they’ve posted all read genuine

Marmot isn’t active that’s true but they’re not always super active as town and haven’t done anything scummy.

Sean: No idea of anything they said besides that they shot and claimed. This is likely the best chance to hit mafia of the group since I could see them using the factional kill on Illyro and taking credit when they flipped 3rd party.

MR: He could be mafia but he’s more reading as overwhelmed town/maybe third party


Maybe I’m just really missing something here but I don’t see why this POE even exists and why we’re excluding certain players from it who haven’t done anything that towny yet

Ok so there are some literal isos of these people in the thread based on connectivity to sabi that it seems you may have missed.

Who made said ISO? I’ll go back and reread but yea I don’t think I saw any for them.

I don’t think this is a bad look for you (or good either, it’s nai) but before you go back I want to ask you a follow up q:

Do you think the fact you were in there was more inclined to make you view the others on the list as ‘likely to have no case’?

Depends who makes and who supports said list

In the case of Mac who’s been ping ponging on me yes it makes me dismiss it to a degree since like I said it seems like he’s scrambling a bit.

Same for creature but that’s because I think he’s well within his mafia meta and throwing out LHF

Other people throwing around said list are less likely to be instantly voided, but again at least the trend I’ve been noticing is we seem to (On TS as a whole) either go paranoid and go after town leaders or go in the opposite and go after the low hanging fruit which that POE is filled of

I think the process by which Mac got there was pretty solid.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like if Nutella had just watched Dizzy catch up and gave Dizzy a softball town read I would have called it scummy.

I did.

Then I do not like your softball too. I just didnt see it

[EnderWiggin]

For me the town core is:

Mac, Alison, neon, nutella, falcon and maaaaybe Sloonei. Others would probably add Urist.

My ‘I would add them but many would disagree’ list is: Kate, scotty, Lily.

I will say that Mac/Neon/Nutella/Falcon is about my central towncore + two others not mentioned.

Why Sloonei/Urist?

Alison I have liked more recently but I have personal reason to be tinfoily. But I'm not pushing it rn.

Kate/Scotty? Elaborate for me? (Unless you've already elaborated in which case I'll find it on catchup)

Lily is town yus.

[nutella]

Lmao sig spends several posts wondering why on earth I could possibly townread creature and then casually drops that he hasn't read creature's posts. Cute

[RondoDimBuckle]

(The read was/is that I think Dizzy hasn't hit any of the wolf-notes I expect if they were wolf.)

As you said that is one post isolated from actual real timing with Dizzy. I expect more from you when dealing with Dizzy because you are confident you can read them

[EnderWiggin]

I too like to vote people in their town meta.

We need to do back and forth.

Yes. If you're around nowish I'm just catching up. Just had my toe x-rayed to confirm I fractured it getting out of bed

Lol, that's awful and funny.

Was it... your big toe? :3

Yes, my sexy big toe.

Unfortunately not. Middle toe.

[sig]

Lmao sig spends several posts wondering why on earth I could possibly townread creature and then casually drops that he hasn't read creature's posts. Cute

I haven’t reread his posts as in did the ISO

I’ve obviously read his posts in thread which don’t strike me as townie.

[Golden]

GN Neon.

ALso Sabi/Marmot ww confirmed

I'd call this the dream team, except no wolf team with me on it would ever be considered a dream team.

Spoiler: show

But it's my dream team

This is the post you’re referring to Mac.

If LPP had a different read to this, that’s news to me.

But the interaction between Mac and sabi was what caught my eye. LPP being the catalyst was an additional ‘oh yeah, that could track’.

[EnderWiggin]

(The read was/is that I think Dizzy hasn't hit any of the wolf-notes I expect if they were wolf.)

As you said that is one post isolated from actual real timing with Dizzy. I expect more from you when dealing with Dizzy because you are confident you can read them

Friendly reminder that last time I "Confidently read them" I was wrong which makes me a little more leery to "Confidently read them" =P

I do think I have an above-rand record on them but I want to be cautious of overconfidence as I think that's where my fuckup last time came from.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sometimes even non-players make posts!

[EnderWiggin]

Sabi's list:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
hk
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)

Sabi is bold enough to put all town in her list? Yes, HK being the only overlap rule of 3? Possibly just a wolf

Sabi being mad that Nutella has more than 2 wolves in her POE? Likely.

Sabi trying to distance from another wolf? Probable as well.

Why is Porscha green here?

...why IS porscha green there? she should be same colour as HK

TMI slip. Gettim.

/s

[Dyslexicon]

Mechanically speaking, there should be wolf among Neon, Alison and Sean, if they are all claiming some sort of town vig? And I don't think it's Neon. So that's a thing.

At the same time, assuming mechanics in Nook's game is a bit wowee.