Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[falcon45ca]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

[falcon45ca]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

Are you saying you find Creature town?

[nutella]

oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

cape v shoot golden imo

[Seanzie]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

Are you saying you find Creature town?

Yes.

[nutella]

yall creature is town lmao

[Urist]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

no it was just a bad joke to call attention to the fact that rondo is self-voting for some reason.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine
In mac we trust.

Isn't Mac trusting Enders read on Rondo?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine
In mac we trust.

Isn't Mac trusting Enders read on Rondo?

I voted rondo because of what mac was saying and doing.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine
In mac we trust.

Isn't Mac trusting Enders read on Rondo?

It's a trust chain.
It's ok

[falcon45ca]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

no it was just a bad joke to call attention to the fact that rondo is self-voting for some reason.

You don't then think there would be a bus on Rondo? Why not?



Do you feel you've been hunting this RD? Cuz yer bad joke is the kind of awkward thing Maf do when bussing a teammate IMO

[Urist]

votecount

Spoiler: show

RondoDimBuckle
7
19%


Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, nutella, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

S~V~S
5
14%


Voters: Golden, Alison, sig, Scotty, Kate

Scotty
4
11%


Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher

Seanzie
5
14%


Voters: Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

[falcon45ca]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

Are you saying you find Creature town?

Yes.

yall creature is town lmao

Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz

[Scotty]

5 pages behind

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

I am head empty no thoughts on sloonei and golden, I am decidedly unsure on scotty but I'm enjoying having him around so that's happenstance luck for him, sig and rondo could flip either I agree, but I do think it's a twinge silly to tr alison cuz her reads are logic based (because when are they not?)

I wouldnt be surprised if Wilgy and Sloonie were w/w or t/t or even 3/3. Golden I am happy to just live and not end game just like me. Scotty is just doing scotty things and people are townreading him for it which is like "shrug ok" then why dont you town read Rondo for doing Rondo things? Its interesting. Sig I could kill but he has good energy at times. Alison I have conceded is probably town in the knowledge that Nutella/Mac/Golden/Alison can not ALL be wolves and if one of them is the others will find.

This might be my favorite post of yours this game by the way

[Urist]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

no it was just a bad joke to call attention to the fact that rondo is self-voting for some reason.

You don't then think there would be a bus on Rondo? Why not?



Do you feel you've been hunting this RD? Cuz yer bad joke is the kind of awkward thing Maf do when bussing a teammate IMO

While it's possible that Rondo is being bussed, it would be weird considering there are other viable options on the table. Unless of course the other viable options are also mafia.
It doesn't take that long for me to decide my vote and PoE for the day, I read sabi's iso and decided that Rondo looked the worst from it. I think you've played with me enough times to know that I'm highly annoying and make terrible jokes as either alignment.

[nutella]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

Are you saying you find Creature town?

Yes.

yall creature is town lmao

Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz

I don't really know how to articulate it beyond he's doing all the Creaturey things Creature does as town. Throwing out seemingly random pushes and names and complaints, lots of complaints and waiting for things to happen while tossing in reactions on the sidelines. Those are things that sound kind of baseline wolfy without context but having played with Creature a lot it's happening in an organic way and does not look like he's forcing himself to post. Glancing at his iso I could be wrong and don't see particular things that really bolster my confidence here, so I'll lay off on strongly shielding him as I could be wrong but really do not think he's a priority when we have a handful of promising wagons atm.

[Scotty]

I probably haven't been living up to my job title lately haha.

I’m definitely not living up to mine.

I don’t even know anyone named Jeff

[Dyslexicon]

The thing is basically

Rondo looks like a lot of flailing and his posts reads AGENDA all over. Like it's not coming from anywhere, it's just manoeuvring. That's how I read it.

I don't see any solving or even helping in Sean's posts. It's mostly fluff and one liners, and few of them are game relevant, and if they are they are shallow. I think Sean would actually try to solve the game if he was in this position as town. I'm not seeing that here.

I think it's pretty likely both are wolves. And I'm not known for having strong wolf reads.

[Party Crasher]

@RondoDimBuckle why self-vote?

[Dyslexicon]

Ender said I could have him, and I'm already on my way to New Zealand

[nutella]

I probably haven't been living up to my job title lately haha.

I’m definitely not living up to mine.

I don’t even know anyone named Jeff

[Dyslexicon]

@RondoDimBuckle why self-vote?

To make the wagon appear larger than it is, is my guess.

[nutella]

The thing is basically

Rondo looks like a lot of flailing and his posts reads AGENDA all over. Like it's not coming from anywhere, it's just manoeuvring. That's how I read it.

I don't see any solving or even helping in Sean's posts. It's mostly fluff and one liners, and few of them are game relevant, and if they are they are shallow. I think Sean would actually try to solve the game if he was in this position as town. I'm not seeing that here.

I think it's pretty likely both are wolves. And I'm not known for having strong wolf reads.

Yeeeeeeeee

[Dyslexicon]

i am vanilla town with an ability

An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?

@Kate What did you have in mind here?

@Kate Can you answer this? I see my mention failed the first time around.

[Urist]

I probably haven't been living up to my job title lately haha.

I’m definitely not living up to mine.

I don’t even know anyone named Jeff

this is amazing

[Dyslexicon]

I'm stealing Mac's gimmick

Tell me why the following are towny


Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Porscha

Please and thank you

Others town read Creature and he looks the same to me as in other games I've seen him town.
Wilgy has good Sabi spew
Porscha has good Sabi spew
Lily I don't actually know, but I feel like they found you as town in a believable way D1 and I think their posting is fine. Haven't focused much on tbh
If you want non-meta stuff for me, I tried to make Sabi a wagon on D1

Could there be scum here? I guess. But none of these are in my PoE that I want to flip today unless I see a compelling case.

[Seanzie]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

Are you saying you find Creature town?

Yes.

yall creature is town lmao

Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz

Creature is an easy read if you know what to look for. He's very stilted as a wolf, and very freeflowy as town. Now, it did take me longer to find him in Cartomancy, so I'm a bit wary that he's getting better as wolf, but there were like a string of posts he did D1 that just screamed town!Creature.

[nutella]

lily is a weird slot for me, i kinda forget she exists when she's not around and she hasn't been around much, people have called her town but i dont really know why at all, seems like shes hanging out in the background, maybe did enough d1 to earn some townreads and is skating on them

[Scotty]

Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.

By that logic, is wolf SVS not level headed? I think that’s undermining the skill of SVS.

I have seen an SVS hanging around in the shadows and picking one person- Marmot- with whom to build a case around. That’s perfectly safe, and not obtrusive as Marmot had already been a target of ire for people.

*shrug*

[Dyslexicon]

Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.

By that logic, is wolf SVS not level headed? I think that’s undermining the skill of SVS.

I have seen an SVS hanging around in the shadows and picking one person- Marmot- with whom to build a case around. That’s perfectly safe, and not obtrusive as Marmot had already been a target of ire for people.

*shrug*

SVS is kind of in the game state spot I would expect mafia to be. Their content does feel safe and almost controlled. So if that is unlike her as town, that is very much a red flag

[nutella]

Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.

By that logic, is wolf SVS not level headed? I think that’s undermining the skill of SVS.

I have seen an SVS hanging around in the shadows and picking one person- Marmot- with whom to build a case around. That’s perfectly safe, and not obtrusive as Marmot had already been a target of ire for people.

*shrug*

SVS is kind of in the game state spot I would expect mafia to be. Their content does feel safe and almost controlled. So if that is unlike her as town, that is very much a red flag

Yeah actually golden made a good point about that a page or two back as well, that she would be more reactive to the wagon on her as town

[Dyslexicon]

@Guillotine Wherever did your HK read go?

[nutella]

But I also liked mac's wagon analysis that suggests she could be an easy wrong push here so idk

[Dyslexicon]

@Guillotine Wherever did your HK read go?

Read ISO. It's still there, I'm guessing, just not as loud.

[Golden]

oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

cape v shoot golden imo

Genuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?

[Golden]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

Love this question from falcon.

In my view if there is a busser on rondo it’s Sean 72% of the time and Sloonei accounts for most of the other 28. Ender bussing doesn’t ring true to me and I still feel relatively good about the read that falcon is spewed town.

[Alison]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

[Kate]

i am vanilla town with an ability

An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?

@Kate What did you have in mind here?

@Kate Can you answer this? I see my mention failed the first time around.

Either a 3p or an ability that doesn't affect game play or does very slightly. One time I played a games, ages ago, where there was a video game of some sort that you could get chosen to play and IF you got the highest score you got some small reward. His comment reminded me of that game specifically.

[Alison]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Like even if they're mafia partners, Rondo has to be far better positioned than either of them, so it makes sense to sacrifice them before him. He's not gonna get Mac killed ever so... what's his agenda exactly?

It's kinda undermining the orderly structure of the POE which is my top theory for his agenda if he is a wolf, but it's in a way that compromises him personally?

[Dyslexicon]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Sometimes things happen. Not everyone knows restraint. Besides that, I think Rondo was already at risk

[Golden]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Maybe Rondo likes slapfighting?

[Kate]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

This makes a lot of sense.

I always tend to wr Rondo so I'm always hesitant to vote him. Ironically, I think this is the same point I was trying to make in the last game which had you label me as bad. Which I was but the point remains the truth, I never trust my read on Rondo.

[Golden]

Ender said I could have him, and I'm already on my way to New Zealand

Um hey what?

[nutella]

oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

cape v shoot golden imo

Genuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?

this is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variables

[Alison]

Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.

I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.

[Dyslexicon]

i am vanilla town with an ability

An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?

@Kate What did you have in mind here?

@Kate Can you answer this? I see my mention failed the first time around.

Either a 3p or an ability that doesn't affect game play or does very slightly. One time I played a games, ages ago, where there was a video game of some sort that you could get chosen to play and IF you got the highest score you got some small reward. His comment reminded me of that game specifically.

Why would you assume that, when you yourself claimed vanilla?

[Kate]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Maybe Rondo likes slapfighting?

[nutella]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Because Sean is mafia kp

[Dyslexicon]

Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.

I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.

There's some rather worrisome wordage around her claim. I want people to remember that and pay some attention.

[Alison]

SVS, 112
Seanzie
Rondo

Is my vote preference, top being more preferred, bottom being less. Seanzie did fuck all with the space he was given so I'm not really inclined to shield him any more, but I would still vote SVS/112 over him.

[Kate]

i am vanilla town with an ability

An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?

@Kate What did you have in mind here?

@Kate Can you answer this? I see my mention failed the first time around.

Either a 3p or an ability that doesn't affect game play or does very slightly. One time I played a games, ages ago, where there was a video game of some sort that you could get chosen to play and IF you got the highest score you got some small reward. His comment reminded me of that game specifically.

Why would you assume that, when you yourself claimed vanilla?

She said vanilla WITH AN ABILITY. That's not what I said. The second part of her claim reminded me of that specific game that I literally just explained.