Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Porscha]

Lily iso:

Spoiler: show

Sabi anxious to volume clear themselves off a bunch of fluff posts is sus

seems more sabi indicative than wolf indicative

I have so much difficulty with the perspective going on here (and just in Alison’s posts generally)

What is my mafia justification for saying I town read Kate then having no desire to convince people?

What is the mafia jusrifucation in Kate awkwardly claiming vanilla?

You’re calling out things you can objectively claim are weird. But why is it bad? Town does weird shot all the time. You gotta be able to figure out wilgys town weird shit from his wolf weird shit.

When someone comes in the thread pointing out weird shit and calling it all suspicious without analysis of why they think it’s wolf-leaning, that bothers me.

Alison, why do you think your above description of my behaviour towards Kate is wolf-leaning?

> What is my mafia justification for saying I town read Kate then having no desire to convince people?

You have TMI on Kate/want to look good if she flips town but don't actually want to talk the town out of voting her out.

You're pushing an agenda that involves Kate being town but struggle to back it up with real reasons because it's not a genuine read.

> What is the mafia jusrifucation in Kate awkwardly claiming vanilla?

Lots of people claim their roles early when they feel under pressure which Kate clearly did. Vanilla is a role that is not easily disproven in the way that a role with a more active component might be. But beyond that it's just an unlikely role to exist in the game, as previous GOCs have been role madness and nanook is not a host that is likely to make a game more mountainous.

> Town does weird shot all the time. You gotta be able to figure out wilgys town weird shit from his wolf weird shit.

No I don't. Whenever people act weird I just kill them.

towniest post in the game lol

alison w

explain? opposite views there

Lucy’s roleclaim is clearly true.

I don’t think it’s a good reason for an alignment read.

why not? i feel as if wolves wouldn't want to claim early and would hold their roles closer

also idk if there's soup but that too lol

yes sabi ur a twink

i have so few reads it's almost troubling

What few do you have

ill think about that because i dont quite know

Alison's reaction is what I expect of v!her, but I'm also kind of biased because I'm already town reading her from her prior content

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

Explain

idk you just seem more alive

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

this is rly mehhh

Why would Porscha struggling to post be 3p indicative? Like she struggles to post as a wolf due to TMI. Why would 3p!porscha struggle?

kinda makes me think u have TMI on her alignment

sabi is mafia tho

okay im glad it isn't just me lol

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

this is rly mehhh

Why would Porscha struggling to post be 3p indicative? Like she struggles to post as a wolf due to TMI. Why would 3p!porscha struggle?

kinda makes me think u have TMI on her alignment

Because Porscha feels alone in the thread. Her posting doesn't have agenda but it's still struggle posting. Before her current pop in it was pretty stiff.

My point is that 3p porscha wouldn't struggle to post. This is a read that makes no sense to me and is either TMI'ing her not a wolf for her flip from whatever neon did to her or sorta game related fluff to throw out there to seem towny

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

I shot Sabi. No regrets.

okay fuck u but also thank u

I mean worth it

ya my role was ass and it's definitely better that theyre dead now

i just hate town losing kp cuz im dumb and double stacked with u when it should've been obvious

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

sheeping TRs

i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

huh

ok yeah this is not a claim that she shot sabi lol it was some other action that was rendered useless by sabi dying

i didnt shoot sabi

but sabi would have eventually met their demise yea

i could see me being a wolf but do u think im with alison/sabi? @MacDougall

i have not read spew as i am lazy af and lack wim but like idk i dont think im partnered with either of them at all

i even voted the wolf like a good villager and was like the only person voting sabi day 1

[VOTE: radishes] aubergine

I am definitely in my wolf meta cuz I voted 3 wolves

I am definitely in my wolf meta cuz I voted 3 wolves

Thats fair but like you're also slanking and you slank as a wolf and don't as town quite reliably. I think that's pretty fair no?

i wasn't being sarcastic like im more often going to vote wolves as a wolf lol

i understand if i am to die this game. Game is overwhelming and hard for me to be excited for/have wim. I can die knowing I helped kill wolves and was generally correct despite not paying much attention and move on with my life

Ok yea I’m on board with Lily as a vote. Very compatible.
-lack of wim after 3 caught wolves
-defending all her teammates
-even though she voted them at some point, and is trying to use that as cred
-but also using that as a reason why she’s wolf???

Also that yellow highlighted is a lol and might even be a slip since the soup mafia hadn’t been revealed yet.

I personally assumed good chance of mafia soup from the get go too but maybe I'm just an idiot for considering that
Therefore hard for me to feel like that's a point against lily for pointing out

[MacDougall]

That's exactly the kind of convo I engage in with teamies to make it seem like we aren't paired.

Lilypetal isn't you.

I don't think I'm talking about some unique golden behaviour here, I think it's a universal approach to appearing town as wolf.

It is more of a comment on that I wouldn't apply that read to you. So you saying you'd do it doesn't persuade me because while you might I'm not sure Lily would. She initiated the dance so to speak on shading Sabi in the interaction.

[MacDougall]

Anyway I dwelled on it and have decided not to weathervane. Lily is a good choice.

[Urist]

I suppose Lily is a better choice than Rondo or Guillotine.

[Scotty]

Ok I finally perused falcon’s ISO in regards to sabi, Alison and MR. Here’s the summary of posts and my takeaways below:

Spoiler: show

Sabi anxious to volume clear themselves off a bunch of fluff posts is sus

Sabi anxious to volume clear themselves off a bunch of fluff posts is sus

It was a joke post

Then why wasn't it funny?

There wasn't one LOL, not even a chuckle, nor a giggle

Sabi anxious to volume clear themselves off a bunch of fluff posts is sus

seems more sabi indicative than wolf indicative

Do wolves always make wolf indicative posts?




See, I find that often early D1 they make the awkward "trying to fit in posts"...and Sabi is given me dem vibes

Do wolves always make wolf indicative posts?




See, I find that often early D1 they make the awkward "trying to fit in posts"...and Sabi is given me dem vibes

Falcon almost all 10 of my games in syndicate you played with me lol

If you can't read me atp idk what to tell u

I believe in the power of change

I AM NOW VOLUME CLEARED.



20 POSTS SON, HAS IT EVAH BEEN DONE SO SOON?

If this is you trying to mimic sabis post you need to move on

Surrounding your focus on one post is just not gonna work

What if it's not?

Falcon y u so obsessed with me?

Y U obsessed with my obsessions?

I would prefer to exe Golden and not shoot him. My gun is a funky kind.

I'd elim this.

Why? You don't like guns, or is it funk ya got qualms with?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

MR stealin' my hmmmmmmms.




Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

MR bustin' out curse words?




Maf

I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

I nominate Porscha

Porscha is already dead she just doesn't know it yet

I mean we're all gonna die one day.

Stop reading Sylvia Plath before you Maf, it's depressing

Day 2:

[VOTE: master turnip] aubergine

This is why you're my favorite. Scotty was challenging your top spot, but he blew it now.

Vote Kate? For realzies??

This is a disproportionate level of salt when you have 0 votes on you and the game is 4 hours in.

Calling "realzies??" a disproportionate level of salt is making mountains of molehills.




I don't think realzies is ever actually salt, I mean it's spelt with the letter z. This take of Alison's seems overtly manufactured

ehhhh

dial down all the sabi spew analysis I made by like 50%

I think they're still broadly valid but if sabi knew neon had a gun pointed at their head they'd be watching their words and might even be in anti spew mode

Hmmmmmm...




Going thru Alison's ISO, I saw that she gave a lot of weight to Sabi's spew, w/o considering any anti-spew. Then she has this epiphany...it's a reasonable take, but then I have to ask myself "How often does Alison back off a tunnel so easily & readily?"

I actually wanted to come into D2, if alive, ready to play properly for once. That has not happened.

You had some pep D1...who took the jelly out of your donut?

Sounds like NAI behaviour :wowee:

This is wolfy.

Agreed.

I want everyone to talk about Seanzie, go

I feel he's been present, and I think his engagement has been...safe

Then his next post:

Why isn't Porscha a wagon?




[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

And the wolfy things about him vastly, vastly, vastly outweigh that one little thing

Could you highlight these wolfy traits? I've found his great to be lacking the solve quality I normally associate w/ his town game, what are you seeing?

It used to be I could rely on my wife to fall asleep watching a movie and then I'd have some interrupted mafia time.

Now she never does.

Slip some melatonin into her tea

Slip some melatonin into her tea

Hmm, maybe, though I do try to avoid drugging my wife usually.

OK, thats very reasonable, commendable and certainly ethical, but...



Wouldn'st thou like to live deliciously?

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Day 3:

[VOTE: rottenradish] aubergine

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

Oh shit, MR's been getting deep into his Pimm's cup it would seem

Oh shit, MR's been getting deep into his Pimm's cup it would seem

Pimm's is a summer drink you peasant.

That's not a denial

Like I'm always going to be PoE and I'm going to be an easy one for wolves to push too so if we have KP then yeah I guess use it on me and save me the embarassment of being mischopped.

If I don't get shot I'll continue to sporadically try to contribute.

Wilgy must use his shot sooner than later. So, wanna give us a legacy in case you get popped?

Wilgy must use his shot sooner than later. So, wanna give us a legacy in case you get popped?

Legacies are stupid and I never read anyone's so no one should read mine.

Nothing I have to say should really be taken as valuable anyway. I'm pretty out of sync. Also on phone and not gonna type up an essay here.

I don't, as a rule, like essay's in Maf. Just a blurb or two. Some small scrap of info that might help us solve.




But, seeing as you're unwilling to do that, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be VK'd. You literally just outlined why you should be pew pewed.





Oh, and it is inherently in Maf's best interest to give as little info as possible while in the POE, so even if you're town, you're Maf siding

To start, falcon has been off and on suspicious of all 4 soup mafia at various points in the game.

However.

His suspicion on D1 for Alison and sabi is softballing it at best. He had a back and forth with sabi for like 4 posts which prompted Sabi to question why he was so ‘obsessed’ with them. Maybe a bit of an overreaction on their part. But sure.

We never circle back on sabi or Alison however. Falcon does call them both ‘wolf’ with a certain air of jokiness D1. But there is never developed reads, and he freely pivots to voting elsewhere throughout the day.

D2 is marginally better. The posts they stand out positively:
“ This take of Alison's seems overtly manufactured”
“ Going thru Alison's ISO, I saw that she gave a lot of weight to Sabi's spew, w/o considering any anti-spew. Then she has this epiphany...it's a reasonable take, but then I have to ask myself "How often does Alison back off a tunnel so easily & readily?"”
RE: Seanzie: “I feel he's been present, and I think his engagement has been...safe”

As far as actually voting, I can’t pinpoint vote totals, but when he names his votes, he never actually votes for any of the soup mafia except MR beginning of D2, Seanzie end of D2, and MR again at top of today. MR is an undeveloped read that I don’t think had any traction to begin with. His continuation of MR today before being shot is likewise pretty shruggy and not built on anything stable.
Almost all his posts with Seanzie are joking or bouncing off ideas. It wasn’t until someone asked him about Seanzie that he admitted his posts look safe. And he only added on to the Seanzie wagon in the last 40 minutes of D2, so cred there is inconsequential.

I think the most bizarre progression in his iso is his light pressing of MR on both D2 and D3, never developing, and then immediately pivoting to an alternative for possible vig shots in Porscha on D2 and 112 on D3 for inactivity. Those seem to come out of nowhere, and the only time he talks about MR getting vig’d is when others have brought up the possibility.

Conclusion; i lean soup mafia partner. I don’t think I’m confbiasing- I picked falcon to read through because no one is really talking about him and I don’t remember his presence in the game. I think he is wholly compatible with the soup mafia and I’d vote there at the present based on my full perusal of his ISO. There is nothing clearing ISO-wise with the revealed mafia members.

I literally told you to ISO me, this is false.




The rest of your take is a mix between laughable and agenda-based.

I mean, the plan was to iso you anyway. Me asking the thread why you were townread was to get a preamble.

Nothing agenda-based here brosef

I think I’m the only one currently suspecting you however

The agenda-based aspect would be that I often don't thread develop my reads, in any game of Mafia I play. You've played w/ me at least twice, so you know.



You mention I haven't voted all the soup Maf...except the 2 I did, and then of course the shade I had on the other 2....so that seems an agenda-based read, and not factual as well.




Also, while I was a later addition to Sean's wagon, I'm also pretty sure I'm the one who broke the 3 way 7 votes wagon tie.




I'm not lock town, but I'm certainly not anywhere near POE, especially given that I'm active during the game, and readily answer questions. Please link a Maf game of mine that mimics my play here.

Firstly, I know I’ve played games with you. I also have a bad memory and don’t know how you play as mafia. I don’t even know if I’ve played with you as mafia.

Secondly RE: “ You mention I haven't voted all the soup Maf...except the 2 I did, and then of course the shade I had on the other 2....so that seems an agenda-based read, and not factual as well.”
I mentioned you voting both Mr and Seanzie and how it does nothing for me. MR had no traction when you did vote him, and Seanzie was already a huge wagon and you had already been Tring him all game before then.

“ Also, while I was a later addition to Sean's wagon, I'm also pretty sure I'm the one who broke the 3 way 7 votes wagon tie”
I mean maybe. This is quite possible. I don’t have the time to look at vote totals around then

[112]

[VOTE: kate] aubergine

[112]

it's quite likely the maf know my role

[Golden]

it's quite likely the maf know my role

Why?

[Lilypetal]

@Lilypetal you really don't like to play mafia when you rand mafia do you lol

not really

[Lilypetal]

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

this is rly mehhh

Why would Porscha struggling to post be 3p indicative? Like she struggles to post as a wolf due to TMI. Why would 3p!porscha struggle?

kinda makes me think u have TMI on her alignment

Because Porscha feels alone in the thread. Her posting doesn't have agenda but it's still struggle posting. Before her current pop in it was pretty stiff.

My point is that 3p porscha wouldn't struggle to post. This is a read that makes no sense to me and is either TMI'ing her not a wolf for her flip from whatever neon did to her or sorta game related fluff to throw out there to seem towny

But then again this interaction feels like it maked Lily never with Sabi lol. @Porscha

You would be right. I townsided all game if I'm a wolf. The only wolf I was wrong on was Alison with everyone else here

[Lilypetal]

i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

Once a game night action she proceeded to then use on Wilgy tho.

Hmmm.

I guess this could just be lying to the wolves.

Like I said later on my ability was worded weird and I could use it again

[Party Crasher]

@Lilypetal why did you lose interest in the game?

[Lilypetal]

Lily iso:

Spoiler: show

Sabi anxious to volume clear themselves off a bunch of fluff posts is sus

seems more sabi indicative than wolf indicative

I have so much difficulty with the perspective going on here (and just in Alison’s posts generally)

What is my mafia justification for saying I town read Kate then having no desire to convince people?

What is the mafia jusrifucation in Kate awkwardly claiming vanilla?

You’re calling out things you can objectively claim are weird. But why is it bad? Town does weird shot all the time. You gotta be able to figure out wilgys town weird shit from his wolf weird shit.

When someone comes in the thread pointing out weird shit and calling it all suspicious without analysis of why they think it’s wolf-leaning, that bothers me.

Alison, why do you think your above description of my behaviour towards Kate is wolf-leaning?

> What is my mafia justification for saying I town read Kate then having no desire to convince people?

You have TMI on Kate/want to look good if she flips town but don't actually want to talk the town out of voting her out.

You're pushing an agenda that involves Kate being town but struggle to back it up with real reasons because it's not a genuine read.

> What is the mafia jusrifucation in Kate awkwardly claiming vanilla?

Lots of people claim their roles early when they feel under pressure which Kate clearly did. Vanilla is a role that is not easily disproven in the way that a role with a more active component might be. But beyond that it's just an unlikely role to exist in the game, as previous GOCs have been role madness and nanook is not a host that is likely to make a game more mountainous.

> Town does weird shot all the time. You gotta be able to figure out wilgys town weird shit from his wolf weird shit.

No I don't. Whenever people act weird I just kill them.

towniest post in the game lol

alison w

explain? opposite views there

Lucy’s roleclaim is clearly true.

I don’t think it’s a good reason for an alignment read.

why not? i feel as if wolves wouldn't want to claim early and would hold their roles closer

also idk if there's soup but that too lol

yes sabi ur a twink

i have so few reads it's almost troubling

What few do you have

ill think about that because i dont quite know

Alison's reaction is what I expect of v!her, but I'm also kind of biased because I'm already town reading her from her prior content

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

Explain

idk you just seem more alive

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

this is rly mehhh

Why would Porscha struggling to post be 3p indicative? Like she struggles to post as a wolf due to TMI. Why would 3p!porscha struggle?

kinda makes me think u have TMI on her alignment

sabi is mafia tho

okay im glad it isn't just me lol

Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

this is rly mehhh

Why would Porscha struggling to post be 3p indicative? Like she struggles to post as a wolf due to TMI. Why would 3p!porscha struggle?

kinda makes me think u have TMI on her alignment

Because Porscha feels alone in the thread. Her posting doesn't have agenda but it's still struggle posting. Before her current pop in it was pretty stiff.

My point is that 3p porscha wouldn't struggle to post. This is a read that makes no sense to me and is either TMI'ing her not a wolf for her flip from whatever neon did to her or sorta game related fluff to throw out there to seem towny

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

I shot Sabi. No regrets.

okay fuck u but also thank u

I mean worth it

ya my role was ass and it's definitely better that theyre dead now

i just hate town losing kp cuz im dumb and double stacked with u when it should've been obvious

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

sheeping TRs

i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

huh

ok yeah this is not a claim that she shot sabi lol it was some other action that was rendered useless by sabi dying

i didnt shoot sabi

but sabi would have eventually met their demise yea

i could see me being a wolf but do u think im with alison/sabi? @MacDougall

i have not read spew as i am lazy af and lack wim but like idk i dont think im partnered with either of them at all

i even voted the wolf like a good villager and was like the only person voting sabi day 1

[VOTE: radishes] aubergine

I am definitely in my wolf meta cuz I voted 3 wolves

I am definitely in my wolf meta cuz I voted 3 wolves

Thats fair but like you're also slanking and you slank as a wolf and don't as town quite reliably. I think that's pretty fair no?

i wasn't being sarcastic like im more often going to vote wolves as a wolf lol

i understand if i am to die this game. Game is overwhelming and hard for me to be excited for/have wim. I can die knowing I helped kill wolves and was generally correct despite not paying much attention and move on with my life

Ok yea I’m on board with Lily as a vote. Very compatible.
-lack of wim after 3 caught wolves
-defending all her teammates
-even though she voted them at some point, and is trying to use that as cred
-but also using that as a reason why she’s wolf???

Also that yellow highlighted is a lol and might even be a slip since the soup mafia hadn’t been revealed yet.

I lacked wim all game so that's not really a real read.

I didn't defend any wolves lul besides town reading alison day 1

but I don't really care honestly

[Lilypetal]

@Lilypetal why did you lose interest in the game?

Uh playerlist too big too many post

that's rly about it

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

[Lilypetal]

Guillotina just seems not town from iso

I'm kinda leaning 3p tho from my quick look just now but that doesn't make me want to change my vote

[Lilypetal]

If I had a better role that wasn't just poison wilgy tn I'd probably take out time to clear myself like a good towny but I'm busy in a bit and role suck so

Mby I post more before day ends otherwise peace

[DrWilgy]

Plz don't poison me mom

[Lilypetal]

Plz don't poison me mom

I wasn't going to regardless cuz u shot wolf

[DrWilgy]

Ty. I'm too cute to die.

[EnderWiggin]

Is my Marmot read crazy? I feel like I've felt this before, like I'm suspecting Marmot, but I really shouldn't. But I don't remember what alignment he was lol

I'm ngl the EOD2 CFD with confirmed mafia on it feels v much like it is on a town.

[EnderWiggin]

I'll be around from now to eod

[Lilypetal]

Hi ender

[EnderWiggin]

Mechanically speaking, there should be wolf among Neon, Alison and Sean, if they are all claiming some sort of town vig? And I don't think it's Neon. So that's a thing.

At the same time, assuming mechanics in Nook's game is a bit wowee.

Is it bad if I just assume Sean is wolf anyway? :wowee:

so if Sean is a wolf and I am a wolf what do I have in my benefit for pointing out he is strange day 1 before anyone else? :wowee:

I hate this post. Especially the "before" part, and how Rondo has tried to collect cred for his Sean interaction on D1. He did call out Sean for stuff, but he called out a lot of people and didn't stick his vote to Sean despite the apparent strong suspicion.

I am announcing it now. If it comes down to me vs Seanzie I am not going to selfpres because you guys had your chance to jump on board with me yesterday and first half of today. Alison is campaigning against it and Nutella for so I will let you sort it out. Probably wont self pres onto Marmot. Too cute

And this is something I have a very hard time see coming from town. But I can definitely see Rondo doing this as mafia.


I haven't ISOed Rondo, and I don't have the time before I have to go. I've been back on forth on him, I think mostly for Alison stringing up Sean and Rondo. But actually, Alison is a player who would bus the fuck out of her team if she thought it benefited her. I'm back at thinking Rondo is just mafia. If others have reasons for Rondo town, I'd like to hear them once more. I think I've read that, but I don't remember.

I am reminded that Rondo's "I will announce I won't self pres" the only time I've seen that before is when he was w/w wagon. (He does do the "no self pres" as town tho. It's more that's the only time I remember him *announcing* it.)

[EnderWiggin]

Hi ender

Hi Lily.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin Where are you with your Rondo read rn?

I hold tinfoil.

But I honestly think if he's wolf then we've killed or POE'd all his deep wolf companions.

So he just loses anyway.

So I'm happy to elim past without going for him rn.

[EnderWiggin]

Didn't Rondo claim to be SelfResolvingTM or was that retracted?

That's something he would just say. He'd be resolved if I shoot him though. I think he's already scared that I might tbh

Rondo claiming self-resolving is 100% NAI.

[EnderWiggin]

Even if he's lying about it.

[EnderWiggin]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

[EnderWiggin]

So doing lies to force these states are 100% in his wheelhouse.

[Dyslexicon]

Hi gays

[EnderWiggin]

Hi gay-emperor

[Golden]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

I'm not sure I fully understand this so can I give an example.

My perception of Rondo's tinfoil and vote for me this phase was that it was a wolf trap. Particularly, I think he wanted to see whether Michelle would jump on, and if some random others did too... regardless of whether he actually was tinfoiling me, whatever happened would be information.

Or, to put it another way, he often has the double motive of figuring out his own reads while drawing others into giving him information that enables further reads.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Haven’t read why, but sure

[Lilypetal]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

this is so interesting lol

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Haven’t read why, but sure

tldr no wim = wolf

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Haven’t read why, but sure

tldr no wim = wolf

I guess that checks out. What do you think?

[EnderWiggin]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

I'm not sure I fully understand this so can I give an example.

My perception of Rondo's tinfoil and vote for me this phase was that it was a wolf trap. Particularly, I think he wanted to see whether Michelle would jump on, and if some random others did too... regardless of whether he actually was tinfoiling me, whatever happened would be information.

Or, to put it another way, he often has the double motive of figuring out his own reads while drawing others into giving him information that enables further reads.

Absolutely that could be an example, and often his vote movements are built around these styles of caring more about how people think about it.

But more importantly, Rondo likes to do it with his own body.

Like intentionally forcing people to put him in a POE by acting super wolfy while knowing he has a clear so that he can reveal at the best time to gather information. Or claiming a mech clear when he doesn't have it to see who reacts how around it. Or POEing himself without an out to see who tries to take advantage, etc.

[EnderWiggin]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

this is so interesting lol

The funniest thing to me is when I tell people about this and I then still see Rondo catch people with these tricks.

[Party Crasher]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

im feeling contrarian. idk. lily doesnt seem mafia to me. but u shouldnt be listening to me

-t

[Golden]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

I'm not sure I fully understand this so can I give an example.

My perception of Rondo's tinfoil and vote for me this phase was that it was a wolf trap. Particularly, I think he wanted to see whether Michelle would jump on, and if some random others did too... regardless of whether he actually was tinfoiling me, whatever happened would be information.

Or, to put it another way, he often has the double motive of figuring out his own reads while drawing others into giving him information that enables further reads.

Absolutely that could be an example, and often his vote movements are built around these styles of caring more about how people think about it.

But more importantly, Rondo likes to do it with his own body.

Like intentionally forcing people to put him in a POE by acting super wolfy while knowing he has a clear so that he can reveal at the best time to gather information. Or claiming a mech clear when he doesn't have it to see who reacts how around it. Or POEing himself without an out to see who tries to take advantage, etc.

Yeah 100. Helpful to hear that from you, this is how I always perceive Rondo. The question is how to turn that into a decent read because it feels NAI.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Haven’t read why, but sure

tldr no wim = wolf

I guess that checks out. What do you think?

i flip town and then mac goes darn it and everyone moves on to find the actual wolves after wasting a day on a shrug yeet

[EnderWiggin]

@MacDougall I think Scotty is mafia while reading this catchup. Honestly feels like he's baiting a Rondo shot.

[Lilypetal]

scotty's post on me is the worst out of anyone but i haven't read his other posts in a while

[EnderWiggin]

Hallmark of Rondo's towngame is manipulating the perception of threadstate and POE (By using his own body dropping in and out of POE) to force perspective changes.

Half of how he catches wolves is entirely on catching people unable or struggling with actually changing perception.

Half of the reason he struggles reading me or being confident in me is that he KNOWS I know exactly what he's doing and therefore no matter my alignment I'm not giving him the reactions that tell him information. So he has to solve me old fashioned ways. (Which he can do, but aren't his favourite style.)

I'm not sure I fully understand this so can I give an example.

My perception of Rondo's tinfoil and vote for me this phase was that it was a wolf trap. Particularly, I think he wanted to see whether Michelle would jump on, and if some random others did too... regardless of whether he actually was tinfoiling me, whatever happened would be information.

Or, to put it another way, he often has the double motive of figuring out his own reads while drawing others into giving him information that enables further reads.

Absolutely that could be an example, and often his vote movements are built around these styles of caring more about how people think about it.

But more importantly, Rondo likes to do it with his own body.

Like intentionally forcing people to put him in a POE by acting super wolfy while knowing he has a clear so that he can reveal at the best time to gather information. Or claiming a mech clear when he doesn't have it to see who reacts how around it. Or POEing himself without an out to see who tries to take advantage, etc.

Yeah 100. Helpful to hear that from you, this is how I always perceive Rondo. The question is how to turn that into a decent read because it feels NAI.

*Smokes cigar*

Well, now that's where we start havin' issues friend.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

Tbh there are ways to read him and I'm potentially blind to some as he knows me too well, but the trick is often around where he's positioned for wolf agenda. Because his wolf range is wide enough and now I've had confirmation he can replicate it online his actions are harder to parse as town vs wolf.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

for post game cred or whatever

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I am the captain of this ship.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Am I supposed to vote Mac for the Greater Good today?

Does the hk as flip make you more or less likely 3p or soup? Because I think it makes you just town