Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Golden]

And as much as ‘I’ve wanted to try that gambit for years’ is fun to say, there’s a reason wolves don’t do stuff like that.

It’s low percentage. Everything I do when wolf is high percentage. There’s no room for dumb gambits even if I want there to be.

[Party Crasher]

This reminds me of GoC two years ago where everyone was discussing mech possibilities and nothing made sense, and it turned out we were all town anyway, or everyone but one. Here too, most of us are just town, and this game does have some weird mech we won't know the full story of before after the game

well yeah ilario and hollowkatt are both not dead lol there's some post-death mechanic for their faction

[Urist]

Urist has been tunnelling me from the start of the game and I’d use my vote and every vig shot on him if Kate wasn’t calling me off. He isn’t interested in trying to make things make sense. He could ask questions via Kate but he prefers to prosecute me in the thread, calling me a liar even though 1) that isn’t even AI even if I was (town should lie sometimes, I was certainly lying to Alison) and 2) everything he says I’m lying about I’m not.

Lastly… Urist cannot get past this basic question: “why do I neighbour Alison night 1 if wolf”.

I've wanted to try this gambit for years but I haven't rolled scum neighbor yet lmao. In absolutely no way is it clearing for you to neighborize scum. It's a pretty useless scum ability so why not use it to try to clear yourself?
Answer me this. Is there a reason to neighborize town as mafia?

Urist, I cannot overstate this enough.

I didn’t even know what a neighbourhood was.

This is irrelevant to your alignment LOL

[Dyslexicon]

i just cant see ender as mafia considering how townsiding his role is. he is just mowing through the PoE

but its a galaxy brain read if its true

-t

Giving out suicide vests and guns isn't really that town sided imo. It depends. But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. I just don't get why Guillo thought I had the gun.

But the order of operation should probably just be: Kill the wolfy people

[Michelle]

Every post gullio makes, makes me want to take him out today instead of SVS

Too bad you cant

Dizzy can though, he has a gun right?

No. Where did you get that from?

Almost gave it to Dizzy but they already had a gun last day phase so wanted to spread the love around.

Theory: Guillo and Ender are mafia. Guillo thought Ender gave me the gun, but he changed his mind and gave it to Michelle instead. Guillo didn't know because he's not paying attention

@Michelle

And also anyone?

Idk, you had a gun yday though, for someone not paying attention you have a gun

[Urist]

This reminds me of GoC two years ago where everyone was discussing mech possibilities and nothing made sense, and it turned out we were all town anyway, or everyone but one. Here too, most of us are just town, and this game does have some weird mech we won't know the full story of before after the game

Yeah we should probably just kill Scotty, it's fun to think I'm a genius outing all the deep wolves tho

[Golden]

This reminds me of GoC two years ago where everyone was discussing mech possibilities and nothing made sense, and it turned out we were all town anyway, or everyone but one. Here too, most of us are just town, and this game does have some weird mech we won't know the full story of before after the game

It’s going back to day one. The moment mac dies, everyone returns to tropey NAI stuff like basic bitch NK analysis and worrying about game design in a game that is clearly designed to make it hard to draw alignment conclusions from design.

We just… shouldnt.

[Party Crasher]

also i dont understand a mafia soup killing another mafia

-t

Isn't that literally what you're saying Sig did?

that was after wolves got shafted, i dont see a mafia killing another mafia on night 1 where the game could still go either way. and vigging a fellow mafia ive seen a few times, anti-claim killing a fellow mafia im not sure if its possible

Super spicy take: neon is soup mafia with a d&d member and is claiming nightly factional kills.
Souped Sabi and LPP n1.
Souped Nutella n2.
Souped 112 n3.

Bonus: they got two soups on n1, there was miscommunication on the scumteam where Alison thought she would claim the extra kill so claimed vig d1, but Neon didn't see that so she claimed to have two kills on n1. Oops! Guess Alison just has to claim a random kill.

but let me think about this again, its the most galaxy brain take so far made in the game

[Golden]

Urist has been tunnelling me from the start of the game and I’d use my vote and every vig shot on him if Kate wasn’t calling me off. He isn’t interested in trying to make things make sense. He could ask questions via Kate but he prefers to prosecute me in the thread, calling me a liar even though 1) that isn’t even AI even if I was (town should lie sometimes, I was certainly lying to Alison) and 2) everything he says I’m lying about I’m not.

Lastly… Urist cannot get past this basic question: “why do I neighbour Alison night 1 if wolf”.

I've wanted to try this gambit for years but I haven't rolled scum neighbor yet lmao. In absolutely no way is it clearing for you to neighborize scum. It's a pretty useless scum ability so why not use it to try to clear yourself?
Answer me this. Is there a reason to neighborize town as mafia?

Urist, I cannot overstate this enough.

I didn’t even know what a neighbourhood was.

This is irrelevant to your alignment LOL

It’s relevant to whether I’m doing some amazing gambit.

The only thing I knew was that Alison would take a kill for me. There’s no amazing gambit there.

[Party Crasher]

if neon can soup 2 people a day i think she just kills mac a long time ago. he claimed like day 1, sort of

-t

[Golden]

Super spicy take: neon is soup mafia with a d&d member and is claiming nightly factional kills.
Souped Sabi and LPP n1.
Souped Nutella n2.
Souped 112 n3.

Bonus: they got two soups on n1, there was miscommunication on the scumteam where Alison thought she would claim the extra kill so claimed vig d1, but Neon didn't see that so she claimed to have two kills on n1. Oops! Guess Alison just has to claim a random kill.

Neon claimed two kills.

[Dyslexicon]

Idk, you had a gun yday though, for someone not paying attention you have a gun

Yeah, that was last phase though.

I think just shoot someone you suspect. I've giving my opinion, but I don't think I know any better than you

[Dyslexicon]

This reminds me of GoC two years ago where everyone was discussing mech possibilities and nothing made sense, and it turned out we were all town anyway, or everyone but one. Here too, most of us are just town, and this game does have some weird mech we won't know the full story of before after the game

It’s going back to day one. The moment mac dies, everyone returns to tropey NAI stuff like basic bitch NK analysis and worrying about game design in a game that is clearly designed to make it hard to draw alignment conclusions from design.

We just… shouldnt.

Yeah, we should just follow the PoE to victory and glory.

[Michelle]

Super spicy take: neon is soup mafia with a d&d member and is claiming nightly factional kills.
Souped Sabi and LPP n1.
Souped Nutella n2.
Souped 112 n3.

Bonus: they got two soups on n1, there was miscommunication on the scumteam where Alison thought she would claim the extra kill so claimed vig d1, but Neon didn't see that so she claimed to have two kills on n1. Oops! Guess Alison just has to claim a random kill.

If we have soup mafia in DnD server and they can soup us not because we claimed but because they have infos about us, then the idea of soup kill is bad interpreted in this game... it doesn't make any sense

@Michelle sig coulda shot me. i don’t want Kate to die, but killing me and seeing whether it’s me or Kate who dies would test sigs claim. If I die, he shot me. If Kate dies, he shot alison.

But I think the above plan (kill a town to prove sig is town) is net neutral anyway, I don’t really think it helps.

No thanks i don't shot you only to see Kate dying..
You can lie but that's a thing for the others to figure

[Michelle]

I have to sleep, sorry i wanted to shot at the middle of the day but I can't stay awake until them, so i will shot in the morning

[Dyslexicon]

I have to sleep, sorry i wanted to shot at the middle of the day but I can't stay awake until them, so i will shot in the morning

Good night, Michelle.

[Dyslexicon]

Was hoping for a shot sooner rather than later tbh, as it's just easier, but I understand

[Kate]

Every post gullio makes, makes me want to take him out today instead of SVS

Too bad you cant

Dizzy can though, he has a gun right?

No. Where did you get that from?

What's up with this? Dony9u have a gun and if not why does @Guillotine think that?

[Dyslexicon]

What's up with this? Dony9u have a gun and if not why does @Guillotine think that?

I don't, and I'm wondering the same thing

[DrWilgy]

Someone talk to me about Urist and Kate's alignment.

[Kate]

Town and town.

[DrWilgy]

Town and town.

Hmmm... While I appreciate it, I wonder if there's any personal bias in this response.

[Guillotine]

Every post gullio makes, makes me want to take him out today instead of SVS

Too bad you cant

Dizzy can though, he has a gun right?

No. Where did you get that from?

What's up with this? Dony9u have a gun and if not why does @Guillotine think that?

Calm down. I checked the discord mod announcements and it was not refreshed.

Funny Dizzy thinks that i as scum would not get the story straight in scum chat before saying anything about it here and look like a dumbass.

[Urist]

Town and town.

Hmmm... While I appreciate it, I wonder if there's any personal bias in this response.

If you want a second opinion I'd be glad to provide it.

[Guillotine]

Allison was a deep wolf who was solidly in the town core, had control over the town/was influence

and yet u shot her, despite how towny she was, despite even you yourself saying how towny she was

i think that sig and golden/scotty/svs are the last 2 mafia

and i think sloonei and wilgy are both modsquad (assuming rondo is town and said the truth about the same check)

-t

If sig is mafia, what do you think happened with the Alison kill?

iso me pls its somewhere in my last 20 posts

-t

Dyslexicon has been towny and i'd shoot him now.

Allison, mac, sloonei, dizzy are all expected to die fast or they are scum because as town they are all feared here. They too good. Case in point, Mac is dead.

mac only died last night
Alison was a town shot (Sig the council is still deciding your fate dw)
Sloonei & Dizzy are still alive

Also there's more than just the player that goes into deciding who gets nk'ed (doc dodge, play in the game, PR strength, lost wolf potential etc.)

Deciding my fate? For what?

Im fucking spewed town by bity known flipped scum parties.

What is there to decide?

No, you leave me alone.

Sig is in their scum meta, i'd trust a 27 cent coin more than them

You don’t know my scum meta nor have you been paying attention that shows by the fact you have no idea which of the 4 you’re trying to say need to be gone are in fact half gone.

I do know you and every time ive scum read ive heen right.

[Guillotine]

also i dont understand a mafia soup killing another mafia

-t

Isn't that literally what you're saying Sig did?

that was after wolves got shafted, i dont see a mafia killing another mafia on night 1 where the game could still go either way. and vigging a fellow mafia ive seen a few times, anti-claim killing a fellow mafia im not sure if its possible

Super spicy take: neon is soup mafia with a d&d member and is claiming nightly factional kills.
Souped Sabi and LPP n1.
Souped Nutella n2.
Souped 112 n3.

Bonus: they got two soups on n1, there was miscommunication on the scumteam where Alison thought she would claim the extra kill so claimed vig d1, but Neon didn't see that so she claimed to have two kills on n1. Oops! Guess Alison just has to claim a random kill.

but let me think about this again, its the most galaxy brain take so far made in the game

Soup killing another member of the mafia is not possible. Not even in bastard games

[Kate]

Town and town.

Hmmm... While I appreciate it, I wonder if there's any personal bias in this response.

Actually no, this is direct from the source!

[Porscha]

Night one I did vote for Cape, so yes. I voted for Mac Night 2 (I had originally voted for Marmot) *becasue he and Scotty wanted me to*. To test my townie resolve. It's disingenuous to imply I was voting for him as a real vote, I did it to risk him killing me. And Day 3 I voted Marmot again.

Linki, seriously?

Why were you ok with potentially being killed by Mac at that point?

(Not caught up btw)
You know what I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that as a townie I also voted for mac with my day 1 per his request and i feel svs is getting overly grated for by this question

[Party Crasher]

Night one I did vote for Cape, so yes. I voted for Mac Night 2 (I had originally voted for Marmot) *becasue he and Scotty wanted me to*. To test my townie resolve. It's disingenuous to imply I was voting for him as a real vote, I did it to risk him killing me. And Day 3 I voted Marmot again.

Linki, seriously?

Why were you ok with potentially being killed by Mac at that point?

(Not caught up btw)
You know what I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that as a townie I also voted for mac with my day 1 per his request and i feel svs is getting overly grated for by this question

I don't know if I understand this post tbh
Also just the post you quoted doesn't seem partiularly positive or negative towards SVS
-sheep

[Porscha]

This reminds me of GoC two years ago where everyone was discussing mech possibilities and nothing made sense, and it turned out we were all town anyway, or everyone but one. Here too, most of us are just town, and this game does have some weird mech we won't know the full story of before after the game

It’s going back to day one. The moment mac dies, everyone returns to tropey NAI stuff like basic bitch NK analysis and worrying about game design in a game that is clearly designed to make it hard to draw alignment conclusions from design.

We just… shouldnt.

Yeah, we should just follow the PoE to victory and glory.

Sure but the poe will be greatly affected by "confirmations" to some degree relating to mechanics... they can be interpreted separately but are inherently intertwined this late into the game

[Porscha]

Night one I did vote for Cape, so yes. I voted for Mac Night 2 (I had originally voted for Marmot) *becasue he and Scotty wanted me to*. To test my townie resolve. It's disingenuous to imply I was voting for him as a real vote, I did it to risk him killing me. And Day 3 I voted Marmot again.

Linki, seriously?

Why were you ok with potentially being killed by Mac at that point?

(Not caught up btw)
You know what I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that as a townie I also voted for mac with my day 1 per his request and i feel svs is getting overly grated for by this question

I don't know if I understand this post tbh
Also just the post you quoted doesn't seem partiularly positive or negative towards SVS
-sheep

Yes it isnt meant to be particularly positive or negative towards svs
It's meant to say that the lines of reasoning and pushing svs for that particular vote ... almost appear scummy (more so from dizzy than neon vis a vis how I perceive their play styles) and that I didnt like how hard the concept was being pushed onto svs as if nothing she said or did mattered when i disagree that it isnt a strong point to be taking into consideration in that moment of thread state

[Porscha]

Night one I did vote for Cape, so yes. I voted for Mac Night 2 (I had originally voted for Marmot) *becasue he and Scotty wanted me to*. To test my townie resolve. It's disingenuous to imply I was voting for him as a real vote, I did it to risk him killing me. And Day 3 I voted Marmot again.

Linki, seriously?

Why were you ok with potentially being killed by Mac at that point?

(Not caught up btw)
You know what I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that as a townie I also voted for mac with my day 1 per his request and i feel svs is getting overly grated for by this question

I don't know if I understand this post tbh
Also just the post you quoted doesn't seem partiularly positive or negative towards SVS
-sheep

Yes it isnt meant to be particularly positive or negative towards svs
It's meant to say that the lines of reasoning and pushing svs for that particular vote ... almost appear scummy (more so from dizzy than neon vis a vis how I perceive their play styles) and that I didnt like how hard the concept was being pushed onto svs as if nothing she said or did mattered when i disagree that it isnt a strong point to be taking into consideration in that moment of thread state

Like... what does the question "uuuuh why were you okay with maybe DYING right there?" When there is generally one obvious answer which is "I have reasons to believe the shooter isnt most likely to shoot me (such as the shooter said so) and I'm trying to make Mac's ability useful since once his role is outted, it is only through gamble and / or virtue a person votes for him" marmot gambled for example - but it likely requires *other town* to be on mac's wagon for the gamble to even happen and therefore for mac to be able to make the great shot onto marmot. I do not believe at any point all wolves or 3p are on mac's wagon due to sheer statistics or virtue

[Porscha]

So asking the question dizzy asked is asinine and has an obvious answer which makes me feel like dizzy piggybacked off neons deadpan push to ask "yeah svs, why were you doing what you did?" When she had already answered the question from neon who doesnt care about the answer. So why bother asking when the question was already answered? What kind of response could dizzy have possibly been looking for? It comes off as disingenuous

[Party Crasher]

i also feel like svs is getting bullied and the reasons put itt for why she's scum - i dont understand any of them

i thought that svs is fine, she pushed marmot a lot, she volunteered to die to mac

im avoiding defending her because the dnd neighborhood probably has some reasons and meta that they aren't sharing so im fine with them taking the lead there

michelle is probably using her vest onto svs so i'm cool with just waiting

-t

[Party Crasher]

So asking the question dizzy asked is asinine and has an obvious answer which makes me feel like dizzy piggybacked off neons deadpan push to ask "yeah svs, why were you doing what you did?" When she had already answered the question from neon who doesnt care about the answer. So why bother asking when the question was already answered? What kind of response could dizzy have possibly been looking for? It comes off as disingenuous

hm
If it had already been answered I don't think dyslexicon would have seen it because that's just weird.
I don't think there's just one answer there it seems like a question that could potentially help discern SVS's alignment

[Dyslexicon]

(Not caught up btw)
You know what I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that as a townie I also voted for mac with my day 1 per his request and i feel svs is getting overly grated for by this question

Yeah, I also said I could do it if majority wanted. I asked because I wanted to hear SVS's perspective. I'm having a hard time getting any read on SVS tbh, I'm kind of sheeping Golden and Kate's read there. The question in itself wasn't loaded as you're making it out to be, at least it wasn't meant that way. I actually defended SVS from Neon who said SVS voted anti-town

[Porscha]

Maybe I am over sympathizing with svs there. It just felt dirty in a way

[Golden]

Night one I did vote for Cape, so yes. I voted for Mac Night 2 (I had originally voted for Marmot) *becasue he and Scotty wanted me to*. To test my townie resolve. It's disingenuous to imply I was voting for him as a real vote, I did it to risk him killing me. And Day 3 I voted Marmot again.

Linki, seriously?

Why were you ok with potentially being killed by Mac at that point?

(Not caught up btw)
You know what I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that as a townie I also voted for mac with my day 1 per his request and i feel svs is getting overly grated for by this question

It’s funny, some people think voting mac should townclear svs, others that it’s wolfy. For me I think NAI is a great place to stick it.

[Dyslexicon]

Maybe I am over sympathizing with svs there. It just felt dirty in a way

I was literally just asking, which is inviting an AI answer in any form. Realistically, I think she's a bit more likely to be 3p, but could be either alignment, and her answer didn't really change that for me. I can see how it can seem loaded in the context of a mafia game, but it honestly wasn't a "gotcha" kind of thing.

[Dyslexicon]

Voting Mac is probably NAI, but the why may be AI depending in how much insight we can get into it

[Urist]

i also feel like svs is getting bullied and the reasons put itt for why she's scum - i dont understand any of them

i thought that svs is fine, she pushed marmot a lot, she volunteered to die to mac

im avoiding defending her because the dnd neighborhood probably has some reasons and meta that they aren't sharing so im fine with them taking the lead there

michelle is probably using her vest onto svs so i'm cool with just waiting

-t

Kate says she never plays this way as town so.

[Party Crasher]

what do u guys think about asking someone in the poe to vote guillo today, and have him self-vote

1) he is forced to prove his role if he's town
2) we kill another poe member

so that's 2 members in the poe sorted at once

-t

[Party Crasher]

hell id volunteer to do it. if u guys think im poe

maybe the dnd hood decides

-t

[Party Crasher]

what do u guys think about asking someone in the poe to vote guillo today, and have him self-vote

1) he is forced to prove his role if he's town
2) we kill another poe member

so that's 2 members in the poe sorted at once

-t

hell id volunteer to do it. if u guys think im poe

maybe the dnd hood decides

-t

@Urist @Kate

[Dyslexicon]

what do u guys think about asking someone in the poe to vote guillo today, and have him self-vote

1) he is forced to prove his role if he's town
2) we kill another poe member

so that's 2 members in the poe sorted at once

-t

Sure. I can do it too, if people want, especially since Guillo decided I was the random target for the day

[Party Crasher]

i might not be a good choice while i have my shield on because if guillo shoots me and pops my shield, u will only have my word for it. it wont be confirmed for everyone

so there might be paranoia that me and guillo are w/w and im covering for him

perhaps asking rondo to do it is good? because if he flips what he's saying, we get a confirmation of a same check between sloonei and wilgy

im assuming that scotty is today's chop and svs is michelle's target

if not, substitute scotty or svs for the test bunny but i doubt they wont die today. i could be wrong

apart from rondo i cant think of a good candidate. dizzy might be one, as he suggested

im just trying to think from the pov of what flip is good for everyone. i can only think of rondo and dizzy

-t

[Party Crasher]

if svs flips town ill get paranoid that sloonei and wilgy are w/w

-t

[RondoDimBuckle]

Define neighborhood

I think Rondo is talking about the DnD server, if I'm not mistaken.

That's correct

I was trying to be all sneaky and shit and imply a third one but michelle hates my fps

[Kate]

i might not be a good choice while i have my shield on because if guillo shoots me and pops my shield, u will only have my word for it. it wont be confirmed for everyone

so there might be paranoia that me and guillo are w/w and im covering for him

perhaps asking rondo to do it is good? because if he flips what he's saying, we get a confirmation of a same check between sloonei and wilgy

im assuming that scotty is today's chop and svs is michelle's target

if not, substitute scotty or svs for the test bunny but i doubt they wont die today. i could be wrong

apart from rondo i cant think of a good candidate. dizzy might be one, as he suggested

im just trying to think from the pov of what flip is good for everyone. i can only think of rondo and dizzy

-t

Not rondo.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I’m also still in the place where I think mafia has a strong role left.

The other strong role option would be a god father style role if I want to get really really really tinfoil I’d say rondo is mafia who can bring in two players. But, like that’s not a tin foil hat that’s a whole damn tin foil house

Hahah