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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Party Crasher wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:11 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 pm Are you suggesting it’s not on your role card?
the condition (doesn't work in lylo) was given to us separately from the role card

so yes, it is not explicitly written in our role card
Multiple times yesterday I expressed belief in your role claim because my role expressly stated it wouldn’t work when the game ended.

I contrasted it specifically with SVSs role card which does not say that.

Why didn’t you mention this then? You had ample opportunity to say it wasn’t on the rolecard. Instead you hedged with something like ‘we never agreed with what golden says is there’
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm
Party Crasher wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:11 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 pm Are you suggesting it’s not on your role card?
the condition (doesn't work in lylo) was given to us separately from the role card

so yes, it is not explicitly written in our role card
Multiple times yesterday I expressed belief in your role claim because my role expressly stated it wouldn’t work when the game ended.

I contrasted it specifically with SVSs role card which does not say that.

Why didn’t you mention this then? You had ample opportunity to say it wasn’t on the rolecard. Instead you hedged with something like ‘we never agreed with what golden says is there’
we... did

we explicitly said you were wrong about that

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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 pmIf I’m wolf neighbouriser im using it to build a towncore, I’m not publicly outing that I redirect a kill just because I’m not trying to learn if sig truly targeted me or Alison (what a strange move that would have been). Missing two neighbour shots on the wolf kills and losing that opportunity to influence the thread would be suicidally poor play.
These are pretty compelling arguments if your role works like you say it does.
I say the evidence I’m town is in the thread because it is. I’m only not town cleared because of paranoia.

I have said this so many tiles in the game but I think it is really clear and I think isoing me carefully and properly and doing due diligence reveals it to be true. A view that I am wolf cannot be sustained on the evidence. I do not think it is possible for other townies to reach the view I am wolf if they do the work. It just doesn’t make sense in any world.
I feel the same way here. PC actually made a clear case of why I'm town. I'm a bit surprised you're not there.

Going through all of your literally thousand posts is a lot. I tried ISO-ing PC, but honestly it didn't help much.

I've found you towny all game, and I've also argued for you not pulling the SVS shit as mafia. But I don't know. I still don't feel like it's an easy decision for me here.
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pmI feel the same way here. PC actually made a clear case of why I'm town. I'm a bit surprised you're not there.
Or more so, it doesn't seem like you've put as much thought into this.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 pmIf I’m wolf neighbouriser im using it to build a towncore, I’m not publicly outing that I redirect a kill just because I’m not trying to learn if sig truly targeted me or Alison (what a strange move that would have been). Missing two neighbour shots on the wolf kills and losing that opportunity to influence the thread would be suicidally poor play.
These are pretty compelling arguments if your role works like you say it does.
I say the evidence I’m town is in the thread because it is. I’m only not town cleared because of paranoia.

I have said this so many tiles in the game but I think it is really clear and I think isoing me carefully and properly and doing due diligence reveals it to be true. A view that I am wolf cannot be sustained on the evidence. I do not think it is possible for other townies to reach the view I am wolf if they do the work. It just doesn’t make sense in any world.
I feel the same way here. PC actually made a clear case of why I'm town. I'm a bit surprised you're not there.

Going through all of your literally thousand posts is a lot. I tried ISO-ing PC, but honestly it didn't help much.

I've found you towny all game, and I've also argued for you not pulling the SVS shit as mafia. But I don't know. I still don't feel like it's an easy decision for me here.
Even if I’m just neighbouriser, and you put everything else aside and focus just on the objective evidence of what is confirmed… I successful neighboured Alison might 1, Kate night 3, pc night 6, and evidence my attempts on nutella and neon (no evidence of ender, I didn’t have anyone to chat to).

Even that should be enough.
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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To be honest dizzy the reason I suspect you is…

I was wrong about Lily, Porscha, scotty.

Kate was on fire.

If I vote for you it is literal trust in kate over trust in myself, because I don’t know how much I trust my judgment.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pmI feel the same way here. PC actually made a clear case of why I'm town. I'm a bit surprised you're not there.
Or more so, it doesn't seem like you've put as much thought into this.
I cannot begin to express how busy I am, I work nine hour, walk to wall days, on four of the last six I’ve also been out at commitments in the evenings. And my weekends are for family.

I want to do more… there is a limit to what I can do.

I shouldn’t have signed up.
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:36 pm To be honest dizzy the reason I suspect you is…

I was wrong about Lily, Porscha, scotty.

Kate was on fire.

If I vote for you it is literal trust in kate over trust in myself, because I don’t know how much I trust my judgment.
Then you haven't thought about it at all.

Whatever Kate thought of me has literally nothing to do with me or my alignment. I don't even know her.
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That's kind of a terrible reason. Though I'll admit I can see it coming from town as a "I don't want responsibility" thing, cause I tend to do that myself
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:39 pm That's kind of a terrible reason. Though I'll admit I can see it coming from town as a "I don't want responsibility" thing, cause I tend to do that myself
It’s not a substitute for due diligence.
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:37 pmI cannot begin to express how busy I am, I work nine hour, walk to wall days, on four of the last six I’ve also been out at commitments in the evenings. And my weekends are for family.

I want to do more… there is a limit to what I can do.

I shouldn’t have signed up.
Still, you've been able to post over 1000 times. It's not fair for you to expect me to ISO and "find your obvious townness" that way, and for you not to do the same with me. I also have busy days with work and what not.

Also, PC town cased me pretty well. What is either wrong with their town case or why do they town case me as mafia (especially considering I'm already suspecting them)
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Like I'm not doubting or holding it against you that you're busy. But we're all busy. I also am just one person and have a life. Ideally I'd be out of this game long time ago
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:46 pm Like I'm not doubting or holding it against you that you're busy. But we're all busy. I also am just one person and have a life. Ideally I'd be out of this game long time ago
it's only a syndicate game of champions if tutuu, dizzy, and syn are in lylo

otherwise it's just sparkling depression
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Party Crasher wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:48 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:46 pm Like I'm not doubting or holding it against you that you're busy. But we're all busy. I also am just one person and have a life. Ideally I'd be out of this game long time ago
it's only a syndicate game of champions if tutuu, dizzy, and syn are in lylo

otherwise it's just sparkling depression
Well, this is true, but it has ended it depression for me like every time so
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depression.
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Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:39 pm That's kind of a terrible reason. Though I'll admit I can see it coming from town as a "I don't want responsibility" thing, cause I tend to do that myself
It’s not a substitute for due diligence.
Which is exactly why I’m not going to hammer and why I was pretty clear about that fact in terms neighbourhood.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:44 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:37 pmI cannot begin to express how busy I am, I work nine hour, walk to wall days, on four of the last six I’ve also been out at commitments in the evenings. And my weekends are for family.

I want to do more… there is a limit to what I can do.

I shouldn’t have signed up.
Still, you've been able to post over 1000 times. It's not fair for you to expect me to ISO and "find your obvious townness" that way, and for you not to do the same with me. I also have busy days with work and what not.

Also, PC town cased me pretty well. What is either wrong with their town case or why do they town case me as mafia (especially considering I'm already suspecting them)
I don’t have any expectations.

I’m just towncasing myself. What you do is up to you.
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Dizzy, tbh, I am not going to critique PCs town casing of you. It doesn’t make sense, I can’t thrust it. It’s either wrong (if you’re wolf) or intentionally designed to get you to trust PC (if they are). Either way it’s flawed. The most I can do is read it and figure out which f those two works I’m in.
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That’s trust* it :noble:
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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How does it not make sense though? Because it makes perfect sense.
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:38 pm
Golden wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:36 pm To be honest dizzy the reason I suspect you is…

I was wrong about Lily, Porscha, scotty.

Kate was on fire.

If I vote for you it is literal trust in kate over trust in myself, because I don’t know how much I trust my judgment.
Then you haven't thought about it at all.

Whatever Kate thought of me has literally nothing to do with me or my alignment. I don't even know her.
I think this response is problematic. What Kate thought of you was based on several days of casing you. She made points that I thought were valid, even as I had counterpoints about my own read on you.
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Party Crasher wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:15 pm if dizzy is mafia, he is either

1) mafia that has identical role to american VT

or

2) he knew that rondo dies in DND

lets look at the first:

dizzy being in that position as mafia has a much time easier winning than what he has done. nobody had reasons to suspect american town claims. people were treating it as "if u shoot someone, u prove it, ur town."
we were all discussing that we can get guillo proven this way
all dizzy has to do is to get 2 people to vote him and he's proven. bam
i did not see once post of him saying "hey guys, i am american, i can prove myself" - its just such an easy wolf role to pilot in that situation
wolf!dizzy didnt need to go through all those hoops and loops and softs and never claim jsut to get to this position
when he offered for him to get cleared, he wanted to die, rather than have people vote for him
thats just pretty towny. im ruling out option 1

option 2)

ahve 0 info about dnd. i have no idea if that cyclops shit is even a real mechanic, is it just flavor. i dont know nook's brain when he designed the game

what i do now is that dizzy didnt force the situation to have 2 vote son him. if he is mafai with svs - yes he can get her to vote him. but he did not ask ender to vote for him, at least i didnt see it. he stayed quiet the whole day about his role. and his softs check out - he has been softing that role from way earlier. so if he is mafia that isnt american - why soft it so early, from like day 1-2 or whatever?

so again this just doesnt seem very likely to me

5 dead kiwis have flipped. 4 american. dizzy being the 5th american makes it nice and symmetrical

speaking of symmetry:

1 town fruit vendor dennis. 1 mafia fruit vendor marmot
1 town BP PC. 1 mafia BP svs
1 town neighborizer iawy. 1 mafia neighborizer golden
5 kiwi, 5 american

(its been me tutuu)
Do you mean this case dizzy?
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D7

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What specifically is flawed about the town case though? Cause in order for me to be wolf here, there's a whole bunch of nonsense that I could not possible ever know about that would've had to happen. Like, it just so happens to be exactly 5 kiwis and 4 american and I just happened to guess that and I just happened to play as american townie and I just happened to be able to prove it because Rondo just happened to die?

Or maybe I'm just american townie. I don't know.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:05 amI think this response is problematic. What Kate thought of you was based on several days of casing you. She made points that I thought were valid, even as I had counterpoints about my own read on you.
I have not seen these points. And in any case, it's wrong. It doesn't change anything about my alignment.

Guillo was also screaming his head off about me being wolf. Doesn't change a thing.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:10 am Or maybe I'm just american townie. I don't know.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:07 amDo you mean this case dizzy?
Yes.
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Honestly the symmetry appeals.
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I'm going to laugh if PC is wolf and town cased me so well it locked them in lol
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Dizzy, I like the idea the game is symmetrical. It’s nice to imagine that it’s true, because that means PC is the solve.

I just don’t know and I’m not in a position to feel confident about that.

If you are American townie you know the town part is symmetrical. The rest still isn’t. I am not like iawy, I’m more similar to both PC and SVS.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:21 am Dizzy, I like the idea the game is symmetrical. It’s nice to imagine that it’s true, because that means PC is the solve.

I just don’t know and I’m not in a position to feel confident about that.

If you are American townie you know the town part is symmetrical. The rest still isn’t. I am not like iawy, I’m more similar to both PC and SVS.
That's not the only part of the town case though.

I've town cased myself before in thread. I'll do it again if I have to.
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I also disagree that you had to know rondo was dying. You coulda just shot ender and claimed it as American town kill and got lucky that rondo died to a cyclops.

But I’ll be honest yeah, it is a compelling towncase. It’s just that o know it either has to be wrong or it’s a pocket.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:24 am
Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:21 am Dizzy, I like the idea the game is symmetrical. It’s nice to imagine that it’s true, because that means PC is the solve.

I just don’t know and I’m not in a position to feel confident about that.

If you are American townie you know the town part is symmetrical. The rest still isn’t. I am not like iawy, I’m more similar to both PC and SVS.
That's not the only part of the town case though.

I've town cased myself before in thread. I'll do it again if I have to.
Town casing ourselves is much better than being towncased by someone else imo.

Surely you can understand my issue from my perspective.
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PC have never claimed to have lost three of their heads but I just wanted to affirm that a fourth arrived in my chat so… pretty confident all heads still exist.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:24 am I also disagree that you had to know rondo was dying. You coulda just shot ender and claimed it as American town kill and got lucky that rondo died to a cyclops.

But I’ll be honest yeah, it is a compelling towncase. It’s just that o know it either has to be wrong or it’s a pocket.
So my plan was then to claim the Ender kill and have everyone believe that ...what happened to the mafia kill? That's a terrible plan. You can't both believe I'm the greatest wolf to ever wolf and also the worst.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:27 am
Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:24 am I also disagree that you had to know rondo was dying. You coulda just shot ender and claimed it as American town kill and got lucky that rondo died to a cyclops.

But I’ll be honest yeah, it is a compelling towncase. It’s just that o know it either has to be wrong or it’s a pocket.
So my plan was then to claim the Ender kill and have everyone believe that ...what happened to the mafia kill? That's a terrible plan. You can't both believe I'm the greatest wolf to ever wolf and also the worst.
Also, it was not my choice to be able to shoot Ender.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:21 am
If you are American townie you know the town part is symmetrical. The rest still isn’t. I am not like iawy, I’m more similar to both PC and SVS.
this is so incorrect

you see how this is incorrect, right
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:27 amYou can't both believe I'm the greatest wolf to ever wolf and also the worst.
This is exactly my towncase on myself.
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You wanna talk symmetry? We are both trying to prove to each other that we are town with basically the same reasons, the same personality, the same everything.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:30 am You wanna talk symmetry? We are both trying to prove to each other that we are town with basically the same reasons, the same personality, the same everything.
It has not escaped me
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Party Crasher wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:28 am
Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:21 am
If you are American townie you know the town part is symmetrical. The rest still isn’t. I am not like iawy, I’m more similar to both PC and SVS.
this is so incorrect

you see how this is incorrect, right
It just isn’t. You chose a category to put yourself and me into today, but none of the four roles are identical and each of them has things in common with two of the others.

You yourself have spent days talking about four neighbourhoods. Your dizzy post narrows that to two for symmetry.
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The thing is, I KNOW you’re wrong. And if you’re right about dizzy, then I know you’re lying to pocket dizzy. So you telling me it’s incorrect is just not gonna fly.
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:32 am The thing is, I KNOW you’re wrong. And if you’re right about dizzy, then I know you’re lying to pocket dizzy. So you telling me it’s incorrect is just not gonna fly.
do you have a vest? y/n

do you create neighbourhoods? y/n

did iawy have a vest? y/n

did iawy create neighbourhoods? y/n

did svs have a vest? y/n

did svs create neighbourhoods? y/n

we do not create neighbourhoods as part of our role

dnd did not create neighbourhoods as part of their role
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I clearly said neighborizer not neighborhood. Iawy and golden are neighborizers. DnD and PC arent neighborizers.

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Party Crasher wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:35 am I clearly said neighborizer not neighborhood. Iawy and golden are neighborizers. DnD and PC arent neighborizers.

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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:36 am
Party Crasher wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:35 am I clearly said neighborizer not neighborhood. Iawy and golden are neighborizers. DnD and PC arent neighborizers.

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My role and iawys role are not symmetrical. Your role and svs’s role are not symmetrical.
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Are you trying to tilt me into voting you? Is that it?
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Golden wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:38 am Are you trying to tilt me into voting you? Is that it?
I don't really see what would be tilting you, though you've been leaning heavily on the emotional appeals since this phase started and is something you've relied on for several day phases now tbh
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