Scooby Doo: Monster Collective (GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN)

[Creature]

sig is actively making reads therefore I think he is town.

[Creature]

Alright Chihiro is a mixed bag to me. ISOing them it's also a lot of Scrappy Doo talk but she also has some reads (although I find them pretty weak). I'll prob consider her fine because posting a lot is pretty hard to do for a unskilled wolf.

[Creature]

If I lean all players:

lucy - Town
Kate - Leanwolf
pyxxy - Town
Neon - Null
Dennis - Leantown
Chihiro - Leantown
Jackofhearts2005 - Leanwolf
Roxy - Null
Creature - Town
sig - Town
DrWilgy - Leanwolf
Seanzie - Leanwolf
CRichard - Leanwolf
falcon45ca - Leantown
JDizz10 - Null
DaughterOfOmega - Null
fingersplints - Null
dunya - Null

That puts it at:

lucy
pyxxy
Creature
sig
-
Dennis
Chihiro
falcon45ca
-
Neon
Roxy
JDizz10
DaughterOfOmega
fingersplints
dunya
-
Kate
Jackofhearts2005
DrWilgy
Seanzie
CRichard

following the order of the list in the OP

[Creature]

That makes it 7 townreads, 5 wolfreads and 6 nullreads. Honestly expected better.

[Creature]

Did lucy vote Roxy just now or I did miss it?

[robyn]

Did lucy vote Roxy just now or I did miss it?

i had sig as town but i got mad at them so i voted them

no option to sleep and roxy has 0 posted, more of a no vote than anything

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: CR] aubergine

[pyxxy]

pyxxy seems alright postcount wise. I hope his wolfgame doesn't involve posting more than his towngames. But meh I can't push him because he's like one of the only players doing stuff and also he vibed town.

[DrWilgy]

Yay for town working together even if it was in the shadows

I still find you sus tho Chihiro, sorry
[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine

So what did this fine fellow do? Please explain.

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Hmmm...

I like this. [VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine.

Also turns out votes are changeable, so that's nice.

DrWilgy might be a wolf.

Yeah I might also be town. Why wolf specifically?

Your vote on Chihiro struck as weak and opportunistic. It feels like you went like "hmm ill sheep this".

It was weak and I pretty much said verbatim 'hmm ill sheep this'

You aren't making any audience ooh or ah with this one my friend.

[Creature]

[VOTE: CRichard] aubergine

[pyxxy]

So what did this fine fellow do? Please explain.

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Hmmm...

I like this. [VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine.

Also turns out votes are changeable, so that's nice.

DrWilgy might be a wolf.

Yeah I might also be town. Why wolf specifically?

Your vote on Chihiro struck as weak and opportunistic. It feels like you went like "hmm ill sheep this".

It was weak and I pretty much said verbatim 'hmm ill sheep this'

You aren't making any audience ooh or ah with this one my friend.

A firm yet loving touch from Wilgy this is why he's a professional *furious nodding* *scattered applause*

[Chihiro]

Neon also has done nothing noticeable.

Goddamn why do you all only talk about Scrappy Doo?

because third party is bad to everyone besides me and lucy it seems lol

[Chihiro]

Oh seems scrappy doo silent voted neon

[CRichard]

Sorry I was busy with real life. I see I have 2 votes on me.
I don't see Creature and Falcon as two mafia voting me, because from experience the mafia like to avoid being associated in VCs as much as possible.

[Chihiro]

Those who haven't done much need to you know do more.

Also I only seen one of neons scum game and it wasn't that amazing. I am not seeing it here currently but they havent been hard pushed yet for me to notice anything. It might be best to pressure the slot to see how they handle it.

[CRichard]

I liked Neon for what she said about Scrappy N0. I don't see myself voting Neon today.

[CRichard]

Neon/Sig probably not w/w voting on Scraggy. Again, it's too blatant for 2 mafia to vote on the same slot together. Yes I'm aware Scraggy is a 3p claim, yet why do 2 mafia vote on the same slot who isn't on their team together D1? Answer: They don't.

[CRichard]

Seanzie felt pretty underwhelming during N0 at least. They go into the PoE.

[CRichard]

[vote:SEANZIE]

[CRichard]

[vote:SEANZIE]

If someone is nice enough to remind how to get the correct format for voting here, that would be great.

[CRichard]

Chihiro V indicates DrWilgy and Psy not w/w either.

[CRichard]

I don't like dealing with third parties at all. Wished they just stayed silent and we wolfhunted normally.

I also doubt Scrappy Doo is as powerful as he is claiming to be because that would be very unbalanced.

You gotta love the kingmaker 3ps am I right?

[CRichard]

Since I barely have any meta on players in this game I have no idea if sig being so focused on a 3rd party instead of mafia is town or mafia motivated. This goes without saying 3rd party hunting or going after 3rd party is almost always mafia motivated.

Yeah that's a good point. I'm also keeping an eye out for anyone who wants the discussion to center on Scrappy, rather than anyone else.
The mafia would want town to waste as much discussion time on Scraggy as possible, and will subtly egg on such discussion if they feel they can get away with it.

[CRichard]

CRichard might be a wolf. His ISO is only fluffposts.

Now this is hilarious. I'm taking it easy this game means I'm a wolf?
Come on, find better reason/s to wolf read me.

[CRichard]

At least if there is anything good coming out of my silly wagon, that at least one of Creature/Falcon is a wrong townie on my slot.
Yes it's shocking I see something good out of it.

[CRichard]

Sigh Creature if they're a wolf would likely find more "sensible" reasons as a pretext to vote me beforehand.
It wouldn't be the 1st time I've been voted on for reasons as town, and I seriously doubt it will be the last time I get voted for similar/same reason/s.

[robyn]

uwu

[robyn]

so you won't vote scrappy today, cr?

[CRichard]

[VOTE: SEANZIE] aubergine so that the vote is officially on record.

[robyn]

also 80 post cap lol, stop spamming cr

[CRichard]

so you won't vote scrappy today, cr?

Not making any promise here.
Scrappy is always a compromise elimination, if there is not enough agreement from town on who dies 1st today.

[CRichard]

also 80 post cap lol, stop spamming cr

Pardon me. I'm concerned about forgetting what I'm going to post.

[CRichard]

Before I have a nap. Sig focusing on Scrappy so much is raising my eyebrows.
It feels like that if they're mafia, that's the only slot they can feasibly scum read because as mafia pushing on the 3p claim as a scumread means they don't have to remember what they said/done.
Which incidentally would clear Neon as town, because again two mafia voting on the same slot early D1 is unlikely to say the least.
Neon admittedly is a slot that gets my paranoia up, because they are quite capable of carrying as mafia and I've seen it happen at least twice off site.
Neon!mafia would also point towards Sig as town for same reasons above.

[JDizz10]

@JDizz10 yooooooooo

Yoyo. This forum style is going to take some getting used to

Are you new to mafia altogether or just forum mafia?

Just to forum mafia. I’ve played in other orgs but always over discord

[JDizz10]

Who can be Scrappy Doo?

lucy - No
Kate - No
pyxxy - No
Neon - Prob no
Dennis - No
Chihiro - Only if an alt of a good player
Jackofhearts2005 - Maybe
Roxy - Maybe
Creature - lol no
sig - No
DrWilgy - Prob no
Seanzie - No
CRichard - No?
falcon45ca - Maybe but prob no
JDizz10 - idk
DaughterOfOmega - Maybe
fingersplints - No
dunya - Most likely

Alternatively Scrappy Doo is a completely different player not on the playerlist

Can you please share you reasoning for why you say no for some of these players? I’m new to the comm and don’t know many. Specifically why you think it isn’t Lucy?

[JDizz10]

I also will not be voting for the location "short list" as proposed.

May I ask why?

THIS:

OCEANLAND Take me by the hand lead me to the land that you understand OCEANLAND The voyage to the corner of the globe is a real trip OCEANLAND The crust of a tan man imbibed by the sand Soaking up the thirst of the land

You seem to want it too bad. It makes my eyebrow twitch at your insistence on people picking Oceanland.

I cannot believe so many others just blindly follow like they have no idea what to do for themselves.

I do not know your alignment
It is only N 0
You obv want Oceanland but for what reason I can't be sure

I didn’t take it this way at all, it just seemed like a fun meme-ish thing to do. I feel like this is scummy as it’s pointing fingers for no reason. Just to build some sus

[JDizz10]

I don’t get this logic at all. Yes we pressured the slot but like it’s mafia? That’s what you do. And it isn’t like the slot helped itself by openly saying they’d side with mafia and threatening town.

Like this is by far one of the worst arguments I’ve heard. Nobody was attacking the slot, there was no ATE/rule breaking behavior, nobody just spamming them, nothing of the sort was done this was imo standard TS pressure.


Here’s the thing if we can find mafia day 1 and I mean 100% locked in no doubt mafia we should go that route.

It's not mafia, hunting the 3rd as early as day 1 only helps mafia get their win con solved faster. Any sany town player knows that, its more than likely anyone that puts a ton of focus on anything that isnt mafia is probably mafia themselves.

I also did not mention rule breaking or ate, so not sure where that 180 came from?

The slots not even mafia though?

This dude/dudette is def mafia. Their points are all over the place and make no sense at all

[JDizz10]

How does it help mafia reach their win con to remove a third party?

Parity

[robyn]

How does it help mafia reach their win con to remove a third party?

Parity

only because we can’t sort mafia out of d1 wagons and we get one less chance to kill mafia. essentially yes and directly imo

[JDizz10]

Anyways i think debating on what locations have monsters is silly because unless someone has n0 info we are just going to have to blindly pick a location.

If you make the assumption that locations are not randomly assigned to each monster, then you are wrong.

Each location corresponds to one respective monster (town)

If you believe that locations have been randomly assigned to each monster, then you are right.

Do you have reason to believe that the locations are randomly assigned?

Or more likely...you didn't have a reason to assume that monsters are associated with locations...I wonder why that would be........

I am voting pyxxy because of this. Jack mentioned it and I went back and checked this post and it’s definitely sus. My town role location matches my role so this tells me pyxxy isn’t town

[dunya]

scooby dooby doo, where are you?
we got some work to do now
scooby dooby doo, where are you?
we need some help from you now

hello friends!

my name is dunya and i'm definitely not a doctor @DrWilgy

[JDizz10]

If we let a wagon stagnate, espically one that isn't going to flip mafia essentially we let mafia just slide by for the day. So pressure should be applied to others during the day.

This is repeating N argument that others have said before them. This to me is mafia’s way of trying to seem town but actually adding very little to the conversation.

@lucy @Jackofhearts2005 thoughts on this logic and thoughts on chihiro and/or pyxxy as potential mafia?

[robyn]

If we let a wagon stagnate, espically one that isn't going to flip mafia essentially we let mafia just slide by for the day. So pressure should be applied to others during the day.

This is repeating N argument that others have said before them. This to me is mafia’s way of trying to seem town but actually adding very little to the conversation.

@lucy @Jackofhearts2005 thoughts on this logic and thoughts on chihiro and/or pyxxy as potential mafia?

nah i don't think so, it's too early for individual perspectives to be towny/scummy. plus his perspective is correct which helps

[dunya]

Mechanically speaking Third Parties possible should always mean that their existance is confirmed, otherwise, this game is bastard. Telling us its possible they exist but then not having any to me is false information. Where I come from games don't include this unless 3rd party exist, they don't say they may or may not exist.

that isn't the cold hard rule in TS fyi.



i read the chihiro debacle with pyxxy with role pm lingo, which i specifically ban from happening from my games for the purpose of how gross it is and icky and stuff, and have a town lean on chihiro and pyxxy out of it for different reasons.

[dunya]

Yay for town working together even if it was in the shadows

I still find you sus tho Chihiro, sorry
[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine

So what did this fine fellow do? Please explain.

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Hmmm...

I like this. [VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine.

Also turns out votes are changeable, so that's nice.

Ignoring my thoughts on the post, isn't very pro town. Like I explained my own progression.

Are you advising that I am not pro town? I feel that this has been horrendously implied by my own points of 'I'm not feeling it' and further really don't feel like scouring the 8 pages that happened during N0 of a Racket.

By all means bury a wolf in front of me more so than what Pyxxy has provided on you and I may vote there if I find it sensible, just as I did with the mentioned suspicion on you.

If it's any consolation, I do find myself in agreement with both what you and Lucy are advising on Scrappy for now. If we don't know so much about the mechanics of the puppet, it doesn't make sense for the pro town answer to the puppet to just yeet it. Why would a game be designed to present slightly obfuscated mechanic, however it's still presented just for the answer to be 'break it immediately'. Feels like the type of adventurer who would do this would succumb to the attack of a mimic every single time.

who are you

[JDizz10]

i reiterate any one that currently would rather the 3rd party flip on d1 than something that has a chance to flip mafia is scum aligned.

Again another repeat that adds nothing but to his post count

[dunya]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

literally more mafia aligned than literal 3p LMAO

this isn't a helpful way to communicate.


i read sig's iso, feels like Classic Town sig. i will not be voting there today.

some of y'all need to understand that different people play different ways, and TS especially historically has very bad experiences with 3ps scum-siding hard and costing town games.

[dunya]

i wont vote a sock on day 1, because i don't even know if the sock acct is a permanent fixture of the game. come day 2, we can talk more about scrappy.

[dunya]

I hate how there are three players at 3, 2 and 2 posts and then there's dunya who hasn't posted at all.

i missed you too, creature!

i was an observer n0.

[dunya]

i find it a bit strange how Chihiro (and lucy) was so opposed to sig's take on scrappy but is ok with neon being anti scrappy too and voting there and no where else till scrappy is eliminated.

i'd like to know why @Chihiro?

it felt ~personal~