notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[Jaiden Underwood]

WHO IS JAIDEN

oh they joined fol after i stopped playing mafia

ok that makes sense

sorry for calling you katze and chloe (derogatory)

yeah but i joined here 8 months prior. nor have i ever had an extended public interaction with either of them. please let me be mysterious i love being mysterious

[Jaiden Underwood]

hey syn youre not just scum right

probably not

youre trying too hard. sorry

what did you exactly mean by this Jaiden?

well i could give an in depth explanation of my thought process here but i dont think it matters because i was mostly just prodding syn for information. like i said i would when i joined today
frankly i think syn has too much mean with too little smug in their attack against sheep to be scum. but idk how they play so ummmmmm uhhhh

[pyxxy]

seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

[pyxxy]

before that, since I haven't seen this discussed yet (or I missed it)

scum killing Porscha basically confirms that scum firmly believe Neon was doc, right?

because their reasoning for Sean's death has to be "caught because of mech" and the logical extension of that is "porscha is mech clear, time to die"

porscha was also town read don't get me wrong but I feel like the mech seals it

there might also have been a desire to avoid a kill that would give more information, but tbh....killing what they think is a mech clear is a _lot_ of information

p.s. adding Porscha to the re-read list

[falcon45ca]

I am accepting applications for sweet reads I can sheep

[Syn]

I am accepting applications for sweet reads I can sheep

vote jaiden

[Sheep]

seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

hi pyxxy

[pyxxy]

seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

hi pyxxy

ummm, you're a POE pleb

you can't talk to towncleared royalty like me

[Sheep]

seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

hi pyxxy

ummm, you're a POE pleb

you can't talk to towncleared royalty like me

you're towncleared?

[Syn]

he's not

[Syn]

nobody is lol

except me uwu xoxo gossip girl

[Sheep]

sigh
I'm now pretty sure syn thought i was like
trying to get towncleared by falsely claiming ignorance of seanzie being mech outed

which
I mean
certainly is a theory

I'm not sure how to disprove it atm
uh
like
I wouldn't make that kill as mafia if i'm trying to be towncleared

[Sheep]

nobody is lol

except me uwu xoxo gossip girl

seems trustworthy

[Sheep]

that'd be a weird post from town pyxxy

unless he believes he's cleared which is... possible?

also ack pyxxy only saying "sheep you're in PoE' repeatedly instead of like "you're not towny" or something of the sort is not a good look

though that might be covered by the player meta of asking questions to some extent.

[Syn]

sigh
I'm now pretty sure syn thought i was like
trying to get towncleared by falsely claiming ignorance of seanzie being mech outed

which
I mean
certainly is a theory

I'm not sure how to disprove it atm
uh
like
I wouldn't make that kill as mafia if i'm trying to be towncleared

what is "that kill" meant to refer to here

porscha?

[Syn]

kinda sucks that half the player list has just stopped playing

[pyxxy]

Seanzie

D1:
- doesn't complete his town streak post, idk how we all missed this, clearly scum /s
- cape, tutuu, lucy, sheep
- case on bereft involves B scumreading lucy and sheep, + a little Cape
- Falcon town
- dislike Syn ISO
- null read this whole list basically: DrWilgy, pyxxy, Porscha, Syn, Le petit poussin

here's some D1 juice:

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha [TOWN]


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle [TOWN]

tutuu
DrWilgy [TOWN]
Neon [TOWN]
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin [TOWN]

Bereft [TOWN]

Seanzie giving me some loving

I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

I just did a gth sort list and got exactly these three as my bottom 3, so assuming you're meaning "drawn to as suspects" (which makes sense with the Petit vote), I'mma say this is good.

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

Spoiler: show

@Seanzie u are voting for one of my toe core and getting voted by another one of my toe cores

U are mafia and u will be chopped in about 19 hours

Toe cores sound painful.

Who was voting for me, and why is Bereft town?

Toe cores

anyhow
seanzie talk to me about your bereft read

They're outed mafia. They've done nothing but focus on weird irrelevant things and not take stances while lightly shading Lucy. They more-or-less tried to discredit Rondo, whom is a difficult person for scum to play around (this is assuming Rondo is town, which has at least like a 72.89% chance of being true), and they claimed to be townspewed even though I don't see it. The last game I played with them, I almost instantly got the feeling that they had a depth of understanding of the gamestate far beyond what some of their posts suggested, and I have not gotten that feeling at all here (they were town last game, so this is a pretty stark contrast from that). Besides, they're outed mafia.

@lucy do you remember this interaction with Seanzie at all? Did Seanzie's dismissal of your argument for town!Bereft make you suspect Sean at all?

@Seanzie Bereft is being v towny, there’s a stark depth of thought and insightfulness/criticism that is absent from his wolf game

Can you link a wolf game of his so I can check this? I don't really dig meta reads I can't corroborate, and honestly this is a pretty stark 180 from my perspective (that the depth of thought and insightfulness that I quickly saw before is absent).

D2:

This is more interesting now.

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

I agree with all parts of this except the conclusion.

Pocketing me + setting me up after Neon will flip town

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Openly disagreeing with Cape and calling Syn falcon himself and me town

in terms of breaking up my reads

Porscha
Sheep
Rondo

tutuu
lucy
DrWigly

Neon
pyxxy
Seanzie

falcon45ca

Syn

Probably something like this

Assuming this is town->scum, I think your bottom 4 are all town, so please rethink.

- tunnels on Wilgy pretty intensely, solid wolfing imo?

syn/tutuujaiden not w/w?

Syn and Tutuu are voting with me, and I feel pretty meh about both of them, but I don't want to move.

hmm

syn/pyxxy/seanzie

Certainly sean and pyxxy

No. Maybe Pyxxy.

D3

- Seanzie gets much much quieter, lots of talk about the double death but as Porscha (iirc? also lucy) noted, it's pretty clearly a distraction

I can't figure out what to make of this exchange, it should either clear or condemn sheep but I'm not smart enough to figure it out

Regardless of Porscha's read on Falcon and whether I believe it or not (I think I do).

I still want to pressure him into getting into the game more involved like. And that's why I'm voting that over anyone else rn.

I'm also interested in seeing what Jaiden Underwood has to say about this game. Perhaps it can sanity check me on their alignment since idk

Here is the deal I tutuu. If you truly believe tutuu was aware of neons softs, which I think is a good catch on your part, then the wolves would have directly killed neon last night. And if neon was for sure the doctor, there would have only been 1 kill no matter who neon went on. So I'm of the belief that you think the wolves did not know who wolf was and therefore tutuu is not a wolf, unless, and only unless, you are willing to consider rondo was the actual doctor who went on sean and neon was the standard nk. So let me know how you feel about that

Rondo explicitly said he wasn't going on me. You are full of agenda.

I am really starting to think it is either Rondo!Doc ->Porscha!wolf or Neon!Doc -> Porscha!clear as others have said, and yeah... this is really fustrating.

Do you have any read on porscha?

I am having a hard time reconsiling two opposivinf views on Porscha, which worries me.

- Seanzie starts putting my name in his mouth constantly while talking with Porscha/about Porscha
- Syn cases Seanzie like an entire day before the voting deadline, my gut says Syn is town, this feels like a bit early to bus even if the decision was already made?
- Seanzie OMGUS Syn + some Porscha shade with the Syn/Porscha w/w post

Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

Why?

Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

wrong

^ lmao

This is Sean still trying to get my vote off himself, imo

Spoiler: show

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

Why isnt it possible

Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:

Uhh... I do not want to know what you've been doing with my posts

As funny as this is, it isn't actually helpful. If you can give me more than "mouth feel", I'd appreciate it.

i'm just vaguely discrediting you, homie

Can we chop this plz? tnx.

To this D2:

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

without much explanation for why.

Another cherrypicked quote:

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.

"but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today"
Does scum Sean say this about scum Syn in the middle of all these other statements? I don't know. And I'm not asking the audience >.>

- and that's about it for Sean, as he accepts his fate

Fin Seanzie.

TLDR:
I don't feel like I got much from re-reading Seanzie.
I mean, I got a lot, it's just stewing and I don't have any confident conclusions like I did when I voted Seanzie.

[pyxxy]

seems like Seanzie and tutuu are deserving of a re-read today

hi pyxxy

ummm, you're a POE pleb

you can't talk to towncleared royalty like me

you're towncleared?

hehehehehehehehehe sheep you just accept anything that someone tells you

[pyxxy]

@lucy if I said I was thinking of voting between you and Cape today, would that make you both frozen and crying in wolfchat?

and no, I didn't tag Cape, he'll read this post if he wants to

[Syn]

trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

[Syn]

trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

just spent a few minutes skimming sheep's ISO and he only asks this question twice all game, both to seanzie

[pyxxy]

trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

right but I feel like the question I can't answer is, is that town Sheep or scum Sheep?

my gut says it's town Sheep, and this is because I read that MU game that I think Cape linked? and it felt like a bad example of Sheep's scum potential but then lucy also talked about how Sheep is a bad wolf and I would be willing to interpret this game as an example of Sheep being an average somewhat checked out townie

my gut just says he would...try more as a wolf here? given with Sean gone, if it had a newer or low posting partner, he might feel obligated to pick up the slack like he did in the MU game?

maybe, maybe, maybe. these are all just vibes because that's how I play

anyway this all ties into why I said the Sean/Sheep interaction should either clear or condemn Sheep

[pyxxy]

trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

just spent a few minutes skimming sheep's ISO and he only asks this question twice all game, both to seanzie

.....oh

[Syn]

anyway this all ties into why I said the Sean/Sheep interaction should either clear or condemn Sheep

[pyxxy]

anyway this all ties into why I said the Sean/Sheep interaction should either clear or condemn Sheep

what if we just town clear everyone who posts in the next 2 hours

starting.......now!

[Syn]

I do like being town cleared

[Cape90]

@lucy if I said I was thinking of voting between you and Cape today, would that make you both frozen and crying in wolfchat?

and no, I didn't tag Cape, he'll read this post if he wants to

i am honestly somewhat down with lucy just for falling off the face of the earth entirely pretty much today

[Cape90]

I have noticed Seanzie liked to make some forced interactions with me with what I see in those pyxxy logs, I didn't notice Sean even talking to me about my readslist ngl

[Cape90]

seanzie somewhat does this with sheep too

[Cape90]

Looking at the whole picture of Seanzie's logs he's done a decent job of making sure he didn't avoid talking to people.

One of Syn/tutuu feels like bus territory to me, but it's good to know they aren't w/w based on what Seanzie was saying.

I feel like Sean's interactions with lucy have felt pretty safe

Surprisingly paid a lot of attention to falcon making sure to respond to stuff falcon putted out.

Sean's read on Syn is confusing in general upon retrospect. I think Syn is town but if I had a tinfoil to end all tinfoils Syn day 3 colluded with their wolf partner Seanzie to just try to antispew each other. Cuz Sean was not on the page of voting Syn day 2.

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

uh you do stuff

[Cape90]

it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?

i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time

i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

syn was also displaying no real gusto to suspect seanzie day 2 either from what im seeing

[Cape90]

Syn and Tutuu are voting with me, and I feel pretty meh about both of them, but I don't want to move.

hm

well there is also just this post that Sean made in general

Sean also interestingly made

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

this post from earlier that day so it was just a weird contradiction from Sean's end that I noticed a post ago

which is why I said that Sean wasn't on the side of voting Syn before day 3

[Cape90]

if lucy just did that stunt as mafia day 1, SMH

but my vote is for verbally sheeping me when im fairly inaccurate at the bat so far if not completely wrong

[Syn]

it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?

i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time

i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

syn was also displaying no real gusto to suspect seanzie day 2 either from what im seeing

he had made it onto a POE at some point but I never really pursued it afair. it was mech and ISO that made me put all my focus on him

anyway

consider the nk of rondo with the assumption that he was killed to enforce a thread state the wolves thought was guaranteed because of wilgy's dying breath being that lucy and I were a proverbial difference check and rondo and I leading the lucy polarization train. the thread was also quickly turning on neon. everything pointed to town sinking itself in tremendous fashion due to toxicity and ill-placed confidence

they were unlucky that seanzie was implicated by both possible doc options, because he was perfectly positioned to get town cred off of lucy and my's conflict. he spent a good portion of d2 publicly involving himself in it under the guise of mediation but actually prolonging it.

this is why I switched my read dramatically on lucy. i don't think that would be the plan if lucy was a wolf. it wouldn't be great to tie a wolf's fate so closely to someone they know is town. it would make wilgy's prediction true and guarantee the death of one of their own for, at that time, no good reason

[pyxxy]

anyway this all ties into why I said the Sean/Sheep interaction should either clear or condemn Sheep

what if we just town clear everyone who posts in the next 2 hours

starting.......now!

woops I forgot to post to clear myself, ah well, I guess I'm not townclear any more

[pyxxy]

chatgpt is coder's best friend man this thing is saving my ass. im literally asking it like im a baby and its explaining to me in plain english how to set up my coding shit. absolute godsend

here to play a bit. responding to old stuff

Cape
Pyxxy
Rondo
Sheep

Is my towncore atm

(Please dont ask me to explain it will be very difficult for me)

I'm gonna need you to explain

cape was posting a lot and they were good posts

pyxxy i had a gut townread on due to him being awkward with cape

rondo was just blatantly town by rondoing all over the thread

sheep i had a strong gut feel is town, cant rly explain

Q for the thread:
Does tutuu struggle to scumread people as wolf?

[pyxxy]

also lucy if you could do the days until KILO math again that would be appreciated

[pyxxy]

@Jaiden Underwood why haven't we interacted?

The only person alive that you have played with before is Cape, right? Do you feel lost in this game and hoping that people can find you as town after having seen your entrance + first day?

[pyxxy]

Going to bed now.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine. It's a gut read. Nothing personnel, kid.

@falcon45ca would you be open to sheeping me onto Cape?

[Syn]

chatgpt is coder's best friend man this thing is saving my ass. im literally asking it like im a baby and its explaining to me in plain english how to set up my coding shit. absolute godsend

here to play a bit. responding to old stuff

Cape
Pyxxy
Rondo
Sheep

Is my towncore atm

(Please dont ask me to explain it will be very difficult for me)

I'm gonna need you to explain

cape was posting a lot and they were good posts

pyxxy i had a gut townread on due to him being awkward with cape

rondo was just blatantly town by rondoing all over the thread

sheep i had a strong gut feel is town, cant rly explain

Q for the thread:
Does tutuu struggle to scumread people as wolf?

i am realizing now i'm not sure if I've ever seen tutuu wolf

i would probably guess not though.

[Syn]

also lucy if you could do the days until KILO math again that would be appreciated

we just have today. d5 is lylo if we don't get a wolf

[pyxxy]

also lucy if you could do the days until KILO math again that would be appreciated

tagging, not tagging, nothing I do can summon lucy :/

5v2 <===== we are here
if we miskill
3v2

my townreads are Syn and tutuu

I want to townread falcon because he's being scummy but he's pushing it today into very scummy with his completely afk behavior which would make him scum by his own logic

Syn is for multiple reasons e.g. pushing Seanzie yesterday, the Sheep push today, being part of the (self-described) attempt for Syn/lucy thunderdome

re-reading tutuu gave me a townread on them from Seanzie interactions, but inciting the Wilgy wagon is a big scary warning sign and Jaiden hasn't helped clarify the slot at all (not a critique subbing is hard and underappreciated)

Spoiler: show

weird w/w or not w/w pairs that I've collected in my notes since D1

I don't know if they mean anything but I want to try refining them tomorrow

D1:
lucy cape not w/w
tutuu lucy not w/w?
lucy/tutuu w/w for heavy tutuu defense
rondo/tutuu not w/w, too much of the same role in the thread? [ed note: I meant like, behavior or what their job on a scum team would be]
cape/lucy not w/w because why would cape post about lucy again when no pressure on cape?

D2:
nothing bc it got hammered and I didn't post that much

D3:
ah um looks like I didn't make any w/w reads

D4:
let's pretend like I never make this spoiler and just ignore this part of the post, I really thought I had something here and I'm embarrassed myself

[pyxxy]

also lucy if you could do the days until KILO math again that would be appreciated

we just have today. d5 is lylo if we don't get a wolf

thanks sorry I got around it to, but thank you

[pyxxy]

chatgpt is coder's best friend man this thing is saving my ass. im literally asking it like im a baby and its explaining to me in plain english how to set up my coding shit. absolute godsend

here to play a bit. responding to old stuff

Cape
Pyxxy
Rondo
Sheep

Is my towncore atm

(Please dont ask me to explain it will be very difficult for me)

I'm gonna need you to explain

cape was posting a lot and they were good posts

pyxxy i had a gut townread on due to him being awkward with cape

rondo was just blatantly town by rondoing all over the thread

sheep i had a strong gut feel is town, cant rly explain

Q for the thread:
Does tutuu struggle to scumread people as wolf?

i am realizing now i'm not sure if I've ever seen tutuu wolf

i would probably guess not though.

The followup question is do you think scum tutuu snuck a teammate in here, then? It would have to be Cape or Sheep since I'm town

If I had to microread....the one person tutuu describe with the word "town".....is Cape.

See ya tomorrow

[Syn]

my townreads are Syn and tutuu

damn, am I being pocketed by pyxxy to shield a pyxxy/tutuu team

[Syn]

ngl it really is tough to make any sort of progress with three players going poof

[Syn]

i scum-read tutuu before subbing out because of her overly conciliatory posting and opting out of any actual decisions

jaiden subbed in just as the wolves got dumpstered by seanzie being outed, has made vague promises of doing things, has not done things and instead relied on making a couple cute posts occasionally

[Syn]

i struggle to town-read the behaviour of either person who has played in that slot

[Syn]

jaiden was excellently positioned to contribute and redeem her slot if she is town

subbing in and immediately bottoming out on wim and low-posting makes sense if she subbed into a team that had just gotten screwed over

[Syn]

this is something that i feel separates her from falcon, who similarly hasn't shown up

falcon however was largely a no-show since the beginning, and he gave his vote freely to me and thus onto seanzie during d3

that isn't clearing since bussing is a thing, but a general lack of understanding about the setup since the beginning is maybe in his favour. he's played the part of "I look at the game for maybe two minutes in a phase" pretty well