Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]

[Lilypetal]

@lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

[robyn]

@lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

Am I supposed to care enough already to have a suspicion cuz I do not

Also, doesn't this give maf a good spot to hide and just say "I was just voting random cuz lucy asked" or something

just vote however light that suspicion is, once we leave random voting stage the wagons will still exist. however the important thing is that people will have votes down and they will be encouraged to vote other people, the cycle helps itself and creates more wagons and letting us get maximum readability from d1

[Lilypetal]

i think lucy is right if someone tracks important vote counts

otherwise kinda useless

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

[robyn]

@lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

depends on how seriously people plan to play this

however windward went to finale before and i don't know how strong they are, the rest of this list is pretty fucking good too

i plan to play it hard and get nked early

[Sabiplz]

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

[robyn]

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

can you elaborate on your thoughts concerning this strategy, how it's bad and why you don't want to follow it?

i don't care what you read me as, however i do think it's strictly optimal if you vote for the aforementioned reasons, if something is unclear i'd like you to elaborate so i can convince you there

voting cannot hurt, if you don't vote i expect a logical counterargument because i plan to convince you. this is because i am working on being persuasive, which people don't seem to think i am for some reason

[Sabiplz]

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

can you elaborate on your thoughts concerning this strategy, how it's bad and why you don't want to follow it?

i don't care what you read me as, however i do think it's strictly optimal if you vote for the aforementioned reasons, if something is unclear i'd like you to elaborate so i can convince you there

voting cannot hurt, if you don't vote i expect a logical counterargument because i plan to convince you. this is because i am working on being persuasive, which people don't seem to think i am for some reason

Because I don't like throwing my vote around. How often do I do rvs or any sort of voting moving around?

But whatever

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

[Sabiplz]

I killed game after voting lucy. Sadge

With that I should get ready for bed maybe

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

[Lilypetal]

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

[Lilypetal]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

yeah exactly im p sure lucy's idea is fine but only if she's documenting vcs

otherwise seems pointless

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

depends on how seriously people plan to play this

however windward went to finale before and i don't know how strong they are, the rest of this list is pretty fucking good too

i plan to play it hard and get nked early

I've also been to finale tho let's not get too carried away with ourselves

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

yeah exactly im p sure lucy's idea is fine but only if she's documenting vcs

otherwise seems pointless

Yeah its fine somewhere with retroactive vcs

Unless lucy wrote a script to track votes and every calls their vote its kinda weh

[robyn]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

yeah exactly im p sure lucy's idea is fine but only if she's documenting vcs

otherwise seems pointless

Yeah its fine somewhere with retroactive vcs

Unless lucy wrote a script to track votes and every calls their vote its kinda weh

i have meta that me/rondo/wigly will all document d1 vc, so it isn't useless at all and my idea hinged on those two consistently posting vc's in other games

wigly and rondo do in other games and i'll help

[Dennis]

Totally forgot about this

I'm actually intrigued by this idea Lucy's brought up so I'm gonna drop a lil [VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine because they seem... TOO on topic and into it for being like 3 hours into start of day 1

Bullshit reason, and I don't know this person or if it is normal but I would like to see where this goes

[Dennis]

This is VERY against my meta, normally I wait until after like the half day mark to vote but I think Lucy is being genuine here so I'll entertain it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fair enough

But also weh

[Lilypetal]

Totally forgot about this

I'm actually intrigued by this idea Lucy's brought up so I'm gonna drop a lil [VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine because they seem... TOO on topic and into it for being like 3 hours into start of day 1

Bullshit reason, and I don't know this person or if it is normal but I would like to see where this goes

best reason to be suspected LMAO

[Lilypetal]

i kinda think lucy is town but i dunno

[robyn]

porscha/kate/lily/dennis/nook/pyxxy town

[Lilypetal]

dennis's reason for voting me is rly dumb which makes it kinda towny

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Day 1 has begun. You have ~48 hours.

The answer to the poll is obvious Lumi but I can't answer that one. Unacceptable.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[Lilypetal]

porscha town off tone so lucy and i have rly similar reads atm

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can you tell I'm popular at school

No I can't lie to you


Zing!

[Lilypetal]

hi neon

[robyn]

125 posts, don't fucking waste them @Neon

[pyxxy]

What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

[pyxxy]

@lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

if you really want me to D1 listen to you after you just powerwolfed me as top poster in hedgehod idk what to tell you

jk [VOTE: lucy] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Why image hate me on mobile man. Why

Here idc





Click it

Or dont

I dont care

((I care ))

Ftfy but also stop stealing my gimmick

[pyxxy]

wait there's three on you? lmao

[robyn]

What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

all pr's claim and lead town as confirmed town

they don't claim exact role

the problem here is that mafia pretty much know exact setup and there could be 3 or 2 town pr's

that eliminates fake claiming at minimum, however it's still extremely strong and can win town games

i don't know whether we should try it here to be honest

on one hand this is a test game and most setups have town protective roles, which is a very interesting dynamic and i kinda wanna try it here because it is a test game

[pyxxy]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

[pyxxy]

"random voting stage"

fucking, so _that's_ what RVS means

[pyxxy]

@lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

depends on how seriously people plan to play this

however windward went to finale before and i don't know how strong they are, the rest of this list is pretty fucking good too

i plan to play it hard and get nked early

I've also been to finale tho let's not get too carried away with ourselves

okay I'll bite what's finale

[Lilypetal]

pxxy seems kinda villagery

he can be allowed into the Lilypetal TownreadsTM

[Lilypetal]

@Neon when ur caught up gimme ur vibes

[robyn]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

i'm saying that this isn't a viable strategy because the problem with too many votes too quickly is getting too close to hammer and the day ending prematurely without everyone thinking sufficiently on a scumread. they aren't scum sided but we can use the advantage of no hammer on d1 here pretty nicely

and yeah i have three votes on me, people are FINALLY scared of me as scum which is really good and will cause tinfoil. however what is important is that all of those scum games were in my town meta, you just saw me town lead scotty's game and have a 3/4 solve 10 irl days ago

which means that yes, i am adopting a much more influential style and i am a god powerwolf. the important thing to note is that when i am town i am a god town leader too, and that all of those scum games that i was in recently have actually caused me to learn a fair bit about towning due to seeing it from the otherwise and playing so so so many days straight with tmi

regardless, ty for voting even if it's on me

[pyxxy]

What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

all pr's claim and lead town as confirmed town

they don't claim exact role

the problem here is that mafia pretty much know exact setup and there could be 3 or 2 town pr's

that eliminates fake claiming at minimum, however it's still extremely strong and can win town games

i don't know whether we should try it here to be honest

on one hand this is a test game and most setups have town protective roles, which is a very interesting dynamic and i kinda wanna try it here because it is a test game

okay so this aligns with what I figured which is that you're actually honestly tryharding I just couldn't figure out why

like in scooby I was tryharding because I love mech and it was obvious

you love The Game

[pyxxy]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

i'm saying that this isn't a viable strategy because the problem with too many votes too quickly is getting too close to hammer and the day ending prematurely without everyone thinking sufficiently on a scumread. they aren't scum sided but we can use the advantage of no hammer on d1 here pretty nicely

and yeah i have three votes on me, people are FINALLY scared of me as scum which is really good and will cause tinfoil. however what is important is that all of those scum games were in my town meta, you just saw me town lead scotty's game and have a 3/4 solve 10 irl days ago

which means that yes, i am adopting a much more influential style and i am a god powerwolf. the important thing to note is that when i am town i am a god town leader too, and that all of those scum games that i was in recently have actually caused me to learn a fair bit about towning due to seeing it from the otherwise and playing so so so many days straight with tmi

regardless, ty for voting even if it's on me

hah nerd

[pyxxy]

hmmmm

I'm open to the PR claim strat but I think we should probably wait until the rest of town actually shows up in the thread, would hate to go for it and make someone really uncomfortable

although I guess that's The Game sometimes

[pyxxy]

What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

all pr's claim and lead town as confirmed town

they don't claim exact role

the problem here is that mafia pretty much know exact setup and there could be 3 or 2 town pr's

that eliminates fake claiming at minimum, however it's still extremely strong and can win town games

i don't know whether we should try it here to be honest

on one hand this is a test game and most setups have town protective roles, which is a very interesting dynamic and i kinda wanna try it here because it is a test game

oh wait rememered my question, do you feel like the strat would work better with 3 PRs vs 2?

sorry I thought about it once I wrote that sentence and because the whole point is to use them as town clears more is better sorry im dumb sometimes

[pyxxy]

it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

i'm saying that this isn't a viable strategy because the problem with too many votes too quickly is getting too close to hammer and the day ending prematurely without everyone thinking sufficiently on a scumread. they aren't scum sided but we can use the advantage of no hammer on d1 here pretty nicely

and yeah i have three votes on me, people are FINALLY scared of me as scum which is really good and will cause tinfoil. however what is important is that all of those scum games were in my town meta, you just saw me town lead scotty's game and have a 3/4 solve 10 irl days ago

which means that yes, i am adopting a much more influential style and i am a god powerwolf. the important thing to note is that when i am town i am a god town leader too, and that all of those scum games that i was in recently have actually caused me to learn a fair bit about towning due to seeing it from the otherwise and playing so so so many days straight with tmi

regardless, ty for voting even if it's on me

finally got around to reading this and my head hurts

but

....okay

why do you say it's you adopting a style rather than just broadening your range? or are those synonyms to you

I would see adopting a style as a temporary thing but this seems more like a natural evolution of how you've played + how you're perceiving your play style to be perceived -> adjusting accordingly

but maybe I'm making a distinction where there's not one is what I'm trying to say

[robyn]

yeah, we can't force this strategy. in the mafia championship s8 once the bucket strategy was devised town won almost every game

however we condemn the pr's to a quick death

and it works either way if we consider this setup to be mountainous

however the setups are not mountainous, doctors are very strong and result in mafia killing people in a suboptimal manner

jailkeepers function as doctors and trackers/vanilla cops can just out mafia

i think that i'm down with either bucketing or no pr claims because both work and this is an admittedly somewhat townsided setup

so i dunno where i stand, either strategy seems smart

[robyn]

I would see adopting a style as a temporary thing but this seems more like a natural evolution of how you've played + how you're perceiving your play style to be perceived -> adjusting accordingly

this seems more accurate, i am naturally becoming more of a leader and it kinda is the natural evolution of how i am and have been playing. my range is pretty big as is

meh

[Sabiplz]

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

[Sabiplz]

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

[Sabiplz]

Anyway

I have not much thoughts besides pyxxy and lucy due to both of their large presence in the thread so far.

I'm tired. See yall before work in the morning.

[tutuu]

Protector

Kate - Odd Night Doctor
lucy - Even Night Jailkeeper
Dennis - Town
DrWilgy - Town
falcon45ca - Town
Lilypetal - Town
Neon - Town
Porscha - Town
RondoDimBuckle - Town
Sabiplz - Town
WindwardAway - Town
Seanzie - Town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Mafia 1 shot Jailkeeper
pyxxy - Mafia Goon
tutuu - Mafia Goon

Wait what lol did the game get ruined or something? How does he know? Are we reranding or what?