Hotdog Fingers Mafia [Game over, Mafia won]

[Dennis]

Ok I need an honest answer: does Neon have it inside of themselves to pull the ATE nonsense they were doing earlier today as a wolf?

I wanna say no, because Zenon's got this thing where she policy votes self voters, and I think wolf zenon thinks about that, whereas here Zenon actually felt like cornered

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP should have been elimed like 4 days ago. Even before Pyxxy honestly.

You have played with me before how can you possibly think this

You cannot expect me to townread you when you make it deliberately hard to work with you and instead solely rely on things like juxtapositions from your high-posting wolf games, which can easily be juxtaposed.

I’m not the one shielding your pet suspect

Who even the heck do you think my pet suspect is? I don't even know who I suspect. Talk plainly.

Do you write proofs like this? I hope not.

SVS and Kate are hard shielding each other with no justification. Mac is unwilling to press on this right now. I trust Mac’s instinct for one more day, and I find SVS independently townie. I don’t find Kate particularly townie, but Kate is also being shielded by Dennis. I think Dennis’s shield on Kate is a pocket attempt right now. I don’t know if it’s working because I can’t decipher Kate. Wilgy is doing the worst vote analysis I’ve ever seen. Neon did an ATE earlier today. Mac is Mac. That’s my view of the game

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok I need an honest answer: does Neon have it inside of themselves to pull the ATE nonsense they were doing earlier today as a wolf?

I wanna say no, because Zenon's got this thing where she policy votes self voters, and I think wolf zenon thinks about that, whereas here Zenon actually felt like cornered

Neon self policying for a self vote would be really funny

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tbh Sean I feel like overall I’m being approximately more helpful than half the cast of this game

And you're being approximately half as helpful as I believe you could be if you cared to.

That’s right

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m sorry

[Porscha]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

Can I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about it

Not if it didn't contain their partner.

? You think it would have to contain their partner in what capacity exactly?

As in if my PoE didn't contain their partner they would probably be a lil happy but I still trust the read tbh. Also Neon has literally ended d2 and d3 voting our only wolf flip and has most of the game pushing her. Doesn't feel like the hit based on that anyway.

Look at my points about Dennis.

I think they are objectively good points but I worry almost purely on the basis that dennis as town has also had abysmal decision making as well in some of my previous games with him. like..... idk i'm thinking back, wwa defended him saying she felt like the progression on his vote vs pyxxy's vote on neon seemed townier when I gave a push yesterday, but I don't know how much water that read holds when the time I wolfed with dennis I feel he was very concerned with his appearance and this game it's just ? wolfy thing after wolfy thing? doing whatever, floofing around almost. I guess if he flipped wolf I wouldn't be overly surprised based on the anti town decision making but I would be a bit surprised based on his content

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Dennis]

Ok I need an honest answer: does Neon have it inside of themselves to pull the ATE nonsense they were doing earlier today as a wolf?

I wanna say no, because Zenon's got this thing where she policy votes self voters, and I think wolf zenon thinks about that, whereas here Zenon actually felt like cornered

Neon self policying for a self vote would be really funny

That would be fucking hilarious

[Dennis]

I think they are objectively good points but I worry almost purely on the basis that dennis as town has also had abysmal decision making as well in some of my previous games with him.

This is so funny help

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think objectively the game state is in a pretty good place and like it’s probably a town win 70-75 percent of the time but the 25-30 percent of the time where I’m in F5 with SVS and Dennis and Mac and Kate is gonna really suck

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also think people should claim actually

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think the game is dressed up mountainous but if we’re about to be screwed by something I’d like to know

[Seanzie]

@Dennis

You a wolf?

[Dennis]

@Dennis

You a wolf?

Nope

[Seanzie]

@Dennis

You a wolf?

Nope

yep.

[DrWilgy]

@Dennis

You a wolf?

Nope

yep.

Nice distancing

[MacDougall]

Can you tell me Mac's SVS take?

He townreads her, I think

And his progression?

Nope that's where ya lose me

I dunno why you're giving me an exam, or why it matters about SVS

I was talking about the one with the postclearing nonsense

I'm not trying to give you an exam, I'm trying to lead you to what I see.

The postclearing nonsense is exactly that - nonsense IMO.

Oh I thought you were trying to prove I'm not paying attention (i do not remember his progression, but I get the feeling you're trying to tell me it's bad and I will go look)

Yeah, but then you went on to say you were top poster which supports it and didn't seem to take it back

I get you might've thought it was an invalid point, but I don't see why that directly leads to scumreading

It doesn't, with the exception that if Mac's take were to be real, it would be something like "thread activity is townie, and postcount is a vague measure of threadactvity, therefore Seanzie is townie", because "postcount" is not actually townie on it's own, it is just a measure that tends to correlate with other measures of townieness, and I don't think Mac is actually looking at me in a nuanced enough way to see this.

I'm quite intentionally trying to not analyse you because I have an internal conflict between

a) You are frustrating me so much I want you to be mafia so I can bury you and
b) You frustrating me this much is historically an almost conformation that you are town

But you keep forcing me to go to battle with you over and over.

I don't see how turning the thread into a constant back and forth with you is a good idea. I don't need to analyse you more deeply than I have and I certainly don't want to, so scumreading me for having a shallow appraisal with you is basically scumreading me for nothing.

If you think for some reason I kill you over Nutella then I don't actually know what else to say to you.

You literally have no idea how to read me and are confbiased by an extremely incorrect understanding of my tendencies. I've told you this many times before.

Feel free to solve me. Feel free to talk to others about me. Feel free to do whatever you please honestly. Just stop expecting me to overly focus on solving you when I've explained to you so many times before that I don't enjoy it, don't need to do it to solve the game and especially when I townread you for it.

And before you go "herp derp weren't you scumreading me". Like literally being in two minds and internal conflict is one of my defining features so miss me with it.

[MacDougall]

Can you tell me Mac's SVS take?

He townreads her, I think

And his progression?

Nope that's where ya lose me

I dunno why you're giving me an exam, or why it matters about SVS

I was talking about the one with the postclearing nonsense

I'm not trying to give you an exam, I'm trying to lead you to what I see.

The postclearing nonsense is exactly that - nonsense IMO.

Oh I thought you were trying to prove I'm not paying attention (i do not remember his progression, but I get the feeling you're trying to tell me it's bad and I will go look)

Yeah, but then you went on to say you were top poster which supports it and didn't seem to take it back

I get you might've thought it was an invalid point, but I don't see why that directly leads to scumreading

It doesn't, with the exception that if Mac's take were to be real, it would be something like "thread activity is townie, and postcount is a vague measure of threadactvity, therefore Seanzie is townie", because "postcount" is not actually townie on it's own, it is just a measure that tends to correlate with other measures of townieness, and I don't think Mac is actually looking at me in a nuanced enough way to see this.

Imagine someone who historically drives you bananas negatively assessing your alignment through a completely invented understanding of how you think, telling someone else that your thought process isn't real and projecting their own idea of optimal play onto you.

Imagine for a second how annoying that would be.

[MacDougall]

TSP should have been elimed like 4 days ago. Even before Pyxxy honestly.

You have played with me before how can you possibly think this

You cannot expect me to townread you when you make it deliberately hard to work with you and instead solely rely on things like juxtapositions from your high-posting wolf games, which can easily be juxtaposed.

The God damn irony of this.

[Porscha]

threadstate kinda, uh, haha

[Porscha]

I do however want to take sides for the historical records and I disagree with sean in the debacle

[Porscha]

recent posts were bad btw dennis

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Why are people letting people play so anti-town?

Well mainly because literally every single player in this game except maybe like 2 have played anti town

[MacDougall]

I don't think I've been anti town.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Ok I need an honest answer: does Neon have it inside of themselves to pull the ATE nonsense they were doing earlier today as a wolf?

Yes.

I am very honest with my emotions as both alignments and I AtE as everything because of it.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Ok I need an honest answer: does Neon have it inside of themselves to pull the ATE nonsense they were doing earlier today as a wolf?

I wanna say no, because Zenon's got this thing where she policy votes self voters, and I think wolf zenon thinks about that, whereas here Zenon actually felt like cornered

I hard defended a self voter recently and I've been getting more frustrated with this game and self voting more commonly now. Don't trust this take Dennis.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Dennis

You a wolf?

Nope

yep.

Nice distancing

I laughed at this sequence and I don't know why

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't think I've been anti town.

You are one of the two who hasn't in my eyes

Spoiler the other is not me lol

[S~V~S]

Sorry if I'm being "anti town". The happiness at the start of the game as well as being extremely wrong about my only strong read kinda kicked the air out of me. And all of the posts where someone lays out every possible scenario rather than trying to make a case for the one or two most likely based on their behavior just confuses me more

TBH, I have thought Dennis was possibly bad on and off for most of the game. So I would be OK with yeeting him. He's a natural, and his game has evolved fast. So even if his earlier bad games had a certain tone, a more style than substance feel, doesn't mean he can't switch it up.

So I might continue to sheep or I might not.

I have meetings at work today, so I'll keep up but likely won't say much.

At least I'm learning what all these text format buttons do

[Seanzie]

I do however want to take sides for the historical records and I disagree with sean in the debacle

What exactly do you disagree with?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also want to put on record that I disagree with some people

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Is it me?

[Seanzie]

TonyStarkPrime

Neon

MacDougall
Porscha

S~V~S

falcon45ca
Kate

Dennis
DrWilgy

[Seanzie]

Neon is where the null line is. I'm not allowed to read her anymore, so that's that.

(this is a joke... only sorta kinda)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Neon is where the null line is. I'm not allowed to read her anymore, so that's that.

(this is a joke... only sorta kinda)

Nah that bet still counts

[Seanzie]

Neon is where the null line is. I'm not allowed to read her anymore, so that's that.

(this is a joke... only sorta kinda)

Nah that bet still counts

Then for you, I'll say the null line is where you are. For everyone else, I'll say it is where SVS is.

[Kate]

THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE I UAVE TO DEAL WITH KATE WHO IS TAKING GAME STRATEGY OF “DONT INTERACT AND GET TOWNCLEARED BY DENNIS AND SVS”

I've interacted a lot. I get bad headaches and sometimes I have to back off a little bit. I'm stuck in one now, and guess what? I'm STILL here.

I'm towncleared because I'm town. Do you want me to move off neon? Who should I move to, in your opinion? And don't say svs or dennis, please.

[Kate]

TonyStarkPrime

Neon

MacDougall
Porscha

S~V~S

falcon45ca
Kate

Dennis
DrWilgy

Oh please, is this a joke?

[Seanzie]

TonyStarkPrime

Neon

MacDougall
Porscha

S~V~S

falcon45ca
Kate

Dennis
DrWilgy

Oh please, is this a joke?

No, why would it be a joke?

[TonyStarkPrime]

TonyStarkPrime

Neon

MacDougall
Porscha

S~V~S

falcon45ca
Kate

Dennis
DrWilgy

Falcon’s town

[TonyStarkPrime]

THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE I UAVE TO DEAL WITH KATE WHO IS TAKING GAME STRATEGY OF “DONT INTERACT AND GET TOWNCLEARED BY DENNIS AND SVS”

I've interacted a lot. I get bad headaches and sometimes I have to back off a little bit. I'm stuck in one now, and guess what? I'm STILL here.

I'm towncleared because I'm town. Do you want me to move off neon? Who should I move to, in your opinion? And don't say svs or dennis, please.

Do you think Dennis is town?

[Dennis]

recent posts were bad btw dennis

Darn it

[Dennis]

Wait why though

[Dennis]

And why arent you voting me then

I don't think paranoia on my bad play before is a super good reason to not

[Dennis]

I'd still rather you didn't cause I don't really feel like being miselimmed though

[Kate]

THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE I UAVE TO DEAL WITH KATE WHO IS TAKING GAME STRATEGY OF “DONT INTERACT AND GET TOWNCLEARED BY DENNIS AND SVS”

I've interacted a lot. I get bad headaches and sometimes I have to back off a little bit. I'm stuck in one now, and guess what? I'm STILL here.

I'm towncleared because I'm town. Do you want me to move off neon? Who should I move to, in your opinion? And don't say svs or dennis, please.

Do you think Dennis is town?

Yea.

[Kate]

TonyStarkPrime

Neon

MacDougall
Porscha

S~V~S

falcon45ca
Kate

Dennis
DrWilgy

Falcon’s town

If true, we should be voting neon or wilgy.

[Kate]

@Dennis you're town, right?

Answer this post directly and with verbosity.

[Kate]

@S~V~S I'm a little behind. Thoughts on wilgy?

[Kate]

TonyStarkPrime

Neon

MacDougall
Porscha

S~V~S

falcon45ca
Kate

Dennis
DrWilgy

Oh please, is this a joke?

No, why would it be a joke?

Because I'm ridiculously in my town meta and I think you should know it.