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[Zenge]

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

I disagree falcon is falconing

What part of Falcon’s role in my interaction with him do you find Falcon to be village? Because having had that argument with home, I can assure you he’s not. No villager engages the way Falcon engaged with me. It’s harder to see when you’re not in the thick of the debate, but if you’d been in my shoes and gotten the answers I did from Falcon, or lack there of, you’d 100% be on this vote.

[Seanzie]

I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

me and Neon have also expressed suspicion on Falcon.

[Seanzie]

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

Not even remotely caught up, but I also feel the need to resolve the Zenge/Falcon debate.

How exactly would you resolve it?

[Seanzie]

I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

me and Neon have also expressed suspicion on Falcon.

Even though apprently Neon is now defending Falcon.

[falcon45ca]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

How do we have three confirmed town on day 2?

Because they died and flipped town

Ah that's the worst possible answer.

Yeah, not in a good state rn. Which is why I'm unimpressed with the decision to just go for Creature because he was the second wagon. I don't think it shows much inclination to solve.

Oh? You don't find flipping CWs to town wagons valuable? That's a new one on me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

I disagree falcon is falconing

What part of Falcon’s role in my interaction with him do you find Falcon to be village? Because having had that argument with home, I can assure you he’s not. No villager engages the way Falcon engaged with me. It’s harder to see when you’re not in the thick of the debate, but if you’d been in my shoes and gotten the answers I did from Falcon, or lack there of, you’d 100% be on this vote.

I think you're tunneled because someone engaged you and joy didn't like it. Nothing falcon did was egregious or anti town. What you've done is taken a mole hill from rvs from a player trying to start the game and move past rvs and turned it into a mountain you refuse to let go of.

I thought Falcon felt weird but I believe they were effected by meta mafia. I was. I believe the weirdness I feel is someone who was upset about how that game went. I was.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

me and Neon have also expressed suspicion on Falcon.

Indeed. I think he's town now though

[falcon45ca]

I think santy's entrance last EOD was pretty bad

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.






Who else are you SR right now, and why?

[falcon45ca]

I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

Oh hi Mac!





Do you have any questions you'd like to ask me?

[Marmot]

hi

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Nate] aubergine

I think Mac is town at first glance and I like that he's voting here. I didn't care much for Nate's EOD1.

[Marmot]

Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Do you typically make "call-to-action" posts like this and is it AI for you?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Nate] aubergine

I think Mac is town at first glance and I like that he's voting here. I didn't care much for Nate's EOD1.

What specifically did you find scummy?

[Marmot]

I wasn't really sure what to broadcast so I just dumped my notes.

I missed this originally so I'm glad you said this.

Ok hm, Nate does have things to say I'll take a look.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Nate] aubergine

I think Mac is town at first glance and I like that he's voting here. I didn't care much for Nate's EOD1.

What specifically did you find scummy?

I gathered that he was just posting to post and not really interested or caring in who died.

[Marmot]

I regret my wording tbh oof

I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it

This is more pockety than what dya said

im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty

I didn't think your read was stated in such a way that it was intended to make Sporty feel good about you, no. Just seemed like a read.

It was really this back-and-forth I didn't like. Nate made a joke about something dya said, but backed down from it in a way that looked to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation or putting his takes out there.

[Marmot]

Reading through Nate's notes that were posted overnight. There's a lot of noncomittal takes, but they are notes so that's to be expected. Also the notes seem fairly consistent in that it does look like he developed them over the course of the day and didn't just go back and make them up last night.

I'm feeling less certain on him now.

[Marmot]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Why is this your starting point?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

In honor of Santy

[Marmot]

Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.


But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

[Marmot]

Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

My level-0 guess is that there is some sort of spam vig, and Sporty died because she had the most posts. I don't think she was strongly scumread either.

[falcon45ca]

I think santy's entrance last EOD was pretty bad

What specifically did you not like about it?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

I disagree falcon is falconing

What part of Falcon’s role in my interaction with him do you find Falcon to be village? Because having had that argument with home, I can assure you he’s not. No villager engages the way Falcon engaged with me. It’s harder to see when you’re not in the thick of the debate, but if you’d been in my shoes and gotten the answers I did from Falcon, or lack there of, you’d 100% be on this vote.

I live in your head rent free, and I'm prolly gonna sublet the space FYI

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

God I'm so lost

[falcon45ca]

Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.


But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

I thought I was a fairly easy player to read, whatchoo talkin' 'bout?





You're hedging my slot here pretty hard, and deferring to another to inform your read, tho you've got plenty of playing experience with me such that you should certainly be able to make your own. Why?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[dyachei]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

i dont understand this vote at all

[Dennis]

Like...

Has townreads he hasn't done much with on Zedge, Falcon and a dead town. What is it that he is meant to have done with those reads that he didn't do?

Gets annoyed about being scumread. Is this something that is wolf alignment indicative in your experience?

Townread someone pushing him and then elaborating when asked is wolfy?

Defending an unflipped Creature not by name is wolfy? Or is it that he didn't want to vote out a low poster? Do you have Creature as a wolf? Or does Creatures alignment not matter?

Casting a vote on Marmot after being pushed to make a vote is wolfy? Dennis literally didn't cast a vote 3 times in the Hotdog fingers game. It's not wolfy for him to not vote Im afraid. He seems to compulsively not vote. @Dennis remedy this when you are town please. Voting is necessary for town to win.

Heheh yeah I did do that didn't I

[Dennis]

I don't normally forget to vote but I kept forgetting about hotdog

[dyachei]

the more creature does nothing the more i'm concerned

[Dennis]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

She town read him in the game I wolfed with him in

Anyways

I am not voting Dennis anymore so do with that info what you will

She also only posted fluff cause she was invested in the other game so I really wouldn't trust hah read on meh

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

i dont understand this vote at all

I find Marmot's hedgey push on my slot sus, why is it hard to understand?

[falcon45ca]

Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?

Interesting that you're on Sloon for voting Creature, tho you appear to not have any reason to see Creature as town

[Dennis]

Zenge's tunnel is something because I really can't scumread for it cause what kind of crazy wolf tunnels and powerwolfs like this for one elim

But like I think it's wrong cause falcon's doing that thing where he asks just so many questions and I'm sticking with my surface level t/t

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

She town read him in the game I wolfed with him in

Anyways

I am not voting Dennis anymore so do with that info what you will

She also only posted fluff cause she was invested in the other game so I really wouldn't trust hah read on meh

You howlin dennis?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Why is this your starting point?

Because I don’t yesterday’s B option to be forgotten. I did not love the way the Scotty wagon came together. I plan on looking into those votes specifically. But, prior to doing that, my instinct isnto leave a vote on the other player who was on the table yesterday.

[Marmot]

Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.


But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

I thought I was a fairly easy player to read, whatchoo talkin' 'bout?





You're hedging my slot here pretty hard, and deferring to another to inform your read, tho you've got plenty of playing experience with me such that you should certainly be able to make your own. Why?

You're mischopped all the time, how does that make you an easy read?

[Zenge]

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.


But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

I thought I was a fairly easy player to read, whatchoo talkin' 'bout?





You're hedging my slot here pretty hard, and deferring to another to inform your read, tho you've got plenty of playing experience with me such that you should certainly be able to make your own. Why?

You're mischopped all the time, how does that make you an easy read?

Boom. The lies keep piling up.

[Zenge]

For clarity’s sake, I think the first part about being “easy to read” was meant to be a joke.

[falcon45ca]

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.


But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

I thought I was a fairly easy player to read, whatchoo talkin' 'bout?





You're hedging my slot here pretty hard, and deferring to another to inform your read, tho you've got plenty of playing experience with me such that you should certainly be able to make your own. Why?

You're mischopped all the time, how does that make you an easy read?

It's true that there are people who misread me, but you've played a lot of games w/ me over a couple years.





I find it difficult to believe you are unable to make an independent read on me.

[falcon45ca]

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.


But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

I thought I was a fairly easy player to read, whatchoo talkin' 'bout?





You're hedging my slot here pretty hard, and deferring to another to inform your read, tho you've got plenty of playing experience with me such that you should certainly be able to make your own. Why?

You're mischopped all the time, how does that make you an easy read?

Boom. The lies keep piling up.

There have been several players this game who've said they find me an easy read, you are confbiased, and have already shown that you read what you want out of a post, and not what's actually there.





Do you have any reads that don't involve just 1 player?

[Zenge]

For clarity’s sake, I think the first part about being “easy to read” was meant to be a joke.

I guess it wasn’t a joke.

[falcon45ca]

For clarity’s sake, I think the first part about being “easy to read” was meant to be a joke.

I guess it wasn’t a joke.

For a player who knows me, and knows me fairly well like Marmot does, I am an easy read.





Or at the very least, Marmot should be able to make his own independent read on my slot. I also noticed that when he responded to my post, he didn't answer my question, and deflected w/ "you get mislynched often"

[potentialsheltervet]

Oh? You don't find flipping CWs to town wagons valuable? That's a new one on me

Not for the sake of doing so, no. I think there needs to be more substantial reasons than just "flip creature and see what happens".

[potentialsheltervet]

I retract my town read on Neon tbh

[potentialsheltervet]

Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.

[miranda920]

Okay, I’m struggling to keep up

I can see falcon and zenge are going back and forth
The push seems pretty town for Zenge
I don’t have enough familiarity with falcon to determine if their responses are more town or wolf, so undetermined there

I don’t know what to make of 3 NKs

I’m going to try my best tonight to get some solid reads out, but full disclosure - I’m going to see T Swift tomorrow night and won’t be here for EOD
Going to do as much as I can before then!

[miranda920]

@SARdoghandler I need your guidance mother, even though you’re probably just as behind as me

[Sloonei]

I can read some of Marmot's posts from End of Day 1 as a mafia member looking for a place to park their vote, rather than a town player making an earnest effort to solve. Here are a couple about Scotty in particular that stood out:

Spoiler: show

marmot, you know scotty better than i do, would you read his iso and give me thoughts?

My initial thought from seeing his post count is "wow, only 56 posts".

Looking through Scotty's ISO.


I don't think his posts are bad, like they do look like posts that townies make, but I am having hard time seeing a scumhunting mindset behind them.

Also

Let it also be known that I’d *prefer* a syndiCat player to go first.

I was thinking about this, and as a game structural standpoint, I believe there to be an even number of players in each community on the mafia team. So I feel fine about one of my community going first

I don't think the logic here adds up. If the mafia team is evenly split (which I doubt it is guaranteed to be), there wouldn't be a reason for him to push his own community, as the odds are equivalent.

Although, if he knows that he's town, he would then think there is a slightly higher chance of chopping a wolf among the rest of the Syndicaters based on this logic.


Hmmm...

This could be mildly TMIing himself town, but it also gives me pause that he didn't include that in his argument, so that may not have even been part of it.

I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.

The first one feels more convoluted than it needs to be, as though Marmot's seeking out his own justification to place a vote on a wagon that's already taking off. The second is full of language that suggests Marmot has no faith in the Scotty wagon, but is resigned to joining it anyway. I also feel like his justification for choosing Scotty over Creature is weak.