[END] Literal WWerecreatures Invade Syndicate Zoo: An SDN Crossover Game

[santygrass]

Why tf did I have such little to say about those two pages

@Kate I blame you

Wanna take a look at the Scotty votes and tell me what you see?

Not really, but I'll do it anyways cause I've kinda slanked thus far

Waiting .

I have a hard time telling you are posting content. Like, I remember seeing your pfp and you saying *things* . But nothing striking me or being notable.

Can you tell me about your view on the game and most confident reads you have rn?

[Lawpy]

Noob question but is there a way to see D1 tallies on here? I saw a poll illustrating D2 tally so far but trying to navigate through D1 vote tallies

On SDN, i just quote the tallies and note the timestamps. But i’m unfamiliar how to do this on the syndicate

[santygrass]

Final Day 1 poll

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Final Day 1 post counts

Spoiler: show

Boop . Looking at D1 postcounts seems like I'm tring like all the high posters lol. Maybe if I'm wrong on someone its PSV but its too soon to go to that hole

[NateTheLesser]

I regret my wording tbh oof

I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it

This is more pockety than what dya said

im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty

I didn't think your read was stated in such a way that it was intended to make Sporty feel good about you, no. Just seemed like a read.

It was really this back-and-forth I didn't like. Nate made a joke about something dya said, but backed down from it in a way that looked to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation or putting his takes out there.

Avoid confrontation with who? Are you reading that as backing off a push on dya?

[potentialsheltervet]

Final Day 1 poll

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Final Day 1 post counts

Spoiler: show

Boop . Looking at D1 postcounts seems like I'm tring like all the high posters lol. Maybe if I'm wrong on someone its PSV but its too soon to go to that hole

Hehe glad you're here

[santygrass]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

[santygrass]

Zenge > Tr
Psv > Tr lean
Neon > Tr
Falcon > Null, but gth Villa cuz mac says so
Sloonei > TR


So like, Dennis is the first one there that I could.kinda see being scum? But I do have a inner voice that is trippimg me into Skill Issue and points to me being pocketed by someone rn

[NateTheLesser]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

This reminds me that I didn't post my spreadsheets last night. Lemme do that for anyone that wants to have fun with VCA.

[santygrass]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

[santygrass]

I rememeber Seanzie AM case at start of D1. I thought that was villagery tol

[santygrass]

Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature

[NateTheLesser]

My usual vote spreadsheet bizniss.

Day 1 Votes
(The only note here is I don't actually know exactly when mayo's vote for Creature was, because I couldn't find an in thread vote post for it. It was sometime before the timestamp I have)


Waterfall


EOD Wagons

[potentialsheltervet]

I still don't understand Nate's vote waterfalls. Maybe I should just stick to the rivers and the lakes that I'm used to.

[NateTheLesser]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

Can you rephrase?

[Dennis]

Why tf did I have such little to say about those two pages

@Kate I blame you

Wanna take a look at the Scotty votes and tell me what you see?

Not really, but I'll do it anyways cause I've kinda slanked thus far

Waiting .

I have a hard time telling you are posting content. Like, I remember seeing your pfp and you saying *things* . But nothing striking me or being notable.

Can you tell me about your view on the game and most confident reads you have rn?

Be prepared to be fully disappointed when I finish it lol I'm talking to friends while I make it

Idk what you mean "view on the game", but thread is considerably slower that yesterday if that's what you meant

Most confident in falcon, zenge, mac (tho I never said it) town

I'd vote marmot again for (reasons revealed in episode 7)

[NateTheLesser]

I still don't understand Nate's vote waterfalls. Maybe I should just stick to the rivers and the lakes that I'm used to.

It's all the votes placed by each player. eg, falcon and pyxxy moved their votes the most.

[MacDougall]

Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature

Quite interested in your bolded reads.

[MacDougall]

I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.

Why do you say two night kills here?

i found this weird too. like tmi?

This is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?

[NateTheLesser]

I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.

Why do you say two night kills here?

i found this weird too. like tmi?

This is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?

She doesn't post all that much either way. I've only played with her when she was town, but from what I've heard she doesn't have a reverse volume tell either.

town!genny tends to be spicy and kick up some dust when she's around.

[NateTheLesser]

Usually she posts more than like, single digits.

[MacDougall]

Votecount as at this post

falcon45ca 3 - (mightyrunner7, potentialsheltervet, Zenge)

Creature 2 - (santygrass, falcon45ca)
Dennis 2 - (Neon, NateTheLesser)
NateTheLesser 2 - (Marmot, MacDougall)

Marmot 1 - (sloonei)
santygrass 1 - (creature)
SARdoghandler 1 - (Seanzie)

DrWilgy 0
dyachei/lawpy 0
genny 0
Kate/Mac 0
Mayo the Mayo 0
mightyrunner7 0
miranda920 0
Neon 0
potentialsheltervet 0
Seanzie 0
S~V~S 0
Sloonei 0
Zenge 0

Sleep / No Elimination 0

Not voting (@SARdoghandler, @Dennis, @santygrass, @DrWilgy, @Lawpy, @genny, @Mayo the Mayo, @miranda920, @S~V~S)

Notes: The Falcon wagon quickly got to 3 and has not moved any further. There is probably 1 wolf between the 4 (inclusive of Falcon) based on wagonomics, rarely 0. Zenge and PSV feel quite town just on solving energy, so in my view there is a likely wolf between Falcon and Mightyrunner7.

I am not a fan of the amount of people presently not voting. We need to pressure wolves, so if you are town in there, please start voting. If you don't have any good ideas of who to vote for, start communicating with your top town and just work with them. It's okay to be wrong. It's not okay to not try.

DrWilgy has been representing a "he's an obvious town" read on Falcon since day 1 but seems untroubled by the pressure Falcon is under. I don't like this.

[santygrass]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

Can you rephrase?

Asking to the class for unpairing reads involving Creature or Dennis. And about context in where Dennis voted offwagon while Creature was being cw , to see that maybe being unpairing or not.

[santygrass]

Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature

Quite interested in your bolded reads.

Neon is a viberead more than anything.
Seanzie is for their SoD1 , remember them clashing with AM early with a more likely villa PoV in my mind.
SvS i should go an reread some post because I remember being villa-pinged by some post but didn't retain any specifics in my brain.


From what I got from thread,i AM heavily sussed them . And most important I see like them with a above average postcount, but get the feeling that they say nothing.

But tbh my scumreads have very little weight. If anything I think my villareads are much more sheepable and likely to be correct

[santygrass]

I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.

Why do you say two night kills here?

i found this weird too. like tmi?

This is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?

I rarely see genny having high postcounts like... Ever .

And I think they are the person I usually wolfread the most when Villa becaue of how weird their mind work at times. Best strat for me tends to be sheep general sentiment on thread. Here I will be sheeping Zenge/Psv take on genny

[santygrass]

Votecount as at this post

falcon45ca 3 - (mightyrunner7, potentialsheltervet, Zenge)

Creature 2 - (santygrass, falcon45ca)
Dennis 2 - (Neon, NateTheLesser)
NateTheLesser 2 - (Marmot, MacDougall)

Marmot 1 - (sloonei)
santygrass 1 - (creature)
SARdoghandler 1 - (Seanzie)

DrWilgy 0
dyachei/lawpy 0
genny 0
Kate/Mac 0
Mayo the Mayo 0
mightyrunner7 0
miranda920 0
Neon 0
potentialsheltervet 0
Seanzie 0
S~V~S 0
Sloonei 0
Zenge 0

Sleep / No Elimination 0

Not voting (@SARdoghandler, @Dennis, @santygrass, @DrWilgy, @Lawpy, @genny, @Mayo the Mayo, @miranda920, @S~V~S)

Notes: The Falcon wagon quickly got to 3 and has not moved any further. There is probably 1 wolf between the 4 (inclusive of Falcon) based on wagonomics, rarely 0. Zenge and PSV feel quite town just on solving energy, so in my view there is a likely wolf between Falcon and Mightyrunner7.

I am not a fan of the amount of people presently not voting. We need to pressure wolves, so if you are town in there, please start voting. If you don't have any good ideas of who to vote for, start communicating with your top town and just work with them. It's okay to be wrong. It's not okay to not try.

DrWilgy has been representing a "he's an obvious town" read on Falcon since day 1 but seems untroubled by the pressure Falcon is under. I don't like this.

I can see why Miranda is town.

I dig this

[Lawpy]

Gut impressions so far: seanzies and zenges are probably village

There is a certain trajectory in wolf!zenges in how he solves vs the hardline stance he takes as villager

Seanzies tunnels and questioning look like that of a village mindset

Slooneis looks to be playing a sort of a diplomatic role here which i’m thinking. I know wolf!Jays did the same which admittedly blindsided me so i’m a little wary when i see diplomatic stances/posting styles. It’s looking like a subtle nudge towards (or away) from his players of interest

[santygrass]

But also @miranda920 do you realize that you are calling out people for not voting while... You aren't voting.

[MacDougall]

Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

[santygrass]

Miranda you should fix that by voting Creature hmmyes

[MacDougall]

I would like to encourage the towns focus right now be into solving the below slots exclusively.

Creature
Marmot
Falcon/MR7
Dennis/Nate

[DrWilgy]

Votecount as at this post

falcon45ca 3 - (mightyrunner7, potentialsheltervet, Zenge)

Creature 2 - (santygrass, falcon45ca)
Dennis 2 - (Neon, NateTheLesser)
NateTheLesser 2 - (Marmot, MacDougall)

Marmot 1 - (sloonei)
santygrass 1 - (creature)
SARdoghandler 1 - (Seanzie)

DrWilgy 0
dyachei/lawpy 0
genny 0
Kate/Mac 0
Mayo the Mayo 0
mightyrunner7 0
miranda920 0
Neon 0
potentialsheltervet 0
Seanzie 0
S~V~S 0
Sloonei 0
Zenge 0

Sleep / No Elimination 0

Not voting (@SARdoghandler, @Dennis, @santygrass, @DrWilgy, @Lawpy, @genny, @Mayo the Mayo, @miranda920, @S~V~S)

Notes: The Falcon wagon quickly got to 3 and has not moved any further. There is probably 1 wolf between the 4 (inclusive of Falcon) based on wagonomics, rarely 0. Zenge and PSV feel quite town just on solving energy, so in my view there is a likely wolf between Falcon and Mightyrunner7.

I am not a fan of the amount of people presently not voting. We need to pressure wolves, so if you are town in there, please start voting. If you don't have any good ideas of who to vote for, start communicating with your top town and just work with them. It's okay to be wrong. It's not okay to not try.

DrWilgy has been representing a "he's an obvious town" read on Falcon since day 1 but seems untroubled by the pressure Falcon is under. I don't like this.

I'm not here dude, I do dislike the votes on him and will explore those now though.

[santygrass]

@Dennis you have both Zenge and Falcon as confident town , have you talked to Zenge about why you are reading Falcon as town?

Can you talk to me about how you see their whole interaction?

[santygrass]

Now I sleep

*Yawns*

[Dennis]

cough cough be ready to be DISAPPOINTED heres the thing sloonei said to do

no seriously though i am terrible at like everything iso related

Spoiler: show

marmot - broke the tie which I don't think is scummy tbh. voted creature, and then said they didn't want creature to go over, but never explained their original creature vote before. overall scummy eod still I would vote here again

dyachei (lawpy) - that point about "why vote dennis over pyxxy" was really towny and the vote following is like. basic progression so towny vote

mightyrunner7 - sheeped dyachei which I am only letting slide with a "im new" pass. i am 90% sure you're new, so it's especially difficult for me to tell if you're just a new townie and followed a towny idea you saw, or a new wolf finding a way to hid on the top wagon. but you remind me of my dad trying to play this game as a newbie, trying to be open to show you're town with your very formal wording, like where you say "for this reason," before voting scotty. i'll give you a pass but i'll be watching.

sportponies - errrrm you're dead silly what are you doing here

neon - bad vote, you never actually explained why. you voted scotty because of a joke he made and while you doing that was hilarious it is also unfortunately rather scummy

creature - i actually cannot be forced to give enough shits to find when creature voted scotty and figure out the votes at that moment so im just gonna assume it was a self pres vote because of how creature seems to have irl nonsense getting in the way

sloonei - your vote felt a lil quick, maybe a lil forced, but then you made that huge scrolling banner and all the other nonsense supporting it. idk man this vote was so incredibly formulaic there is nothing exceptional about it, which i guess itself is towny

psv - i didn't know you voted scotty because you spent such little time talking about scotty. feels kinda bad bcuz no real reasoning

[MacDougall]

@santygrass I would appreciate succinct but explanatory thoughts on the below slots please

Creature
Dennis
Falcon420ca
genny
Marmot
miranda920
SARdoghandler

[Dennis]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

Why are you looking specifically for a w/w me/creature world

[Lawpy]

You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

That argument doesn’t look distracting to me and the peacemaker role is what’s actually making me wary

I’m interested to know who you’re wolfreading, if any, in this exchange

[NateTheLesser]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

Can you rephrase?

Asking to the class for unpairing reads involving Creature or Dennis. And about context in where Dennis voted offwagon while Creature was being cw , to see that maybe being unpairing or not.

Gotcha. Neither of them have really made any pushes themselves. I tend to think Creature partners wouldn't push the "volume tell" idea, but I think that was mostly AM.

The context of Dennis' vote was he soft defended Creature and AM pressed him on whether he was planning to vote. So the soft defense I could see as pairing if Creature is a wolf, but starting a new wagon on Marmot at that point doesn't really look paired to me. There were several other wagons at that point that he could have joined. (The board then was miranda 3, Creature/Dennis/Sporty/Scotty 2, Zenge/falcon/me/pyxxy 1)

[DrWilgy]

Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

Oh shit, Good job, I like this and was about to review here.

Quick mention of something I noticed. There's likely one in Seanzie/Miranda920 as well.

Effectively we are looking at at least 1 in Dennis/Nate, at least 1 in Seanzie/Miranda920, and lastly at least 1 in the Falcon/Zenge/Santy.
Is the 'Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia' impacted by the multiple factions in your read at all?

[MacDougall]

I really struggle to understand how anyone who is familiar with both Scotty and Creature can choose to vote Scotty based on their comparative ISOs from day 1. Scotty wasn't like overwhelmingly towny enough to townread but he wasn't wolfy enough to fall below the line Creature was at by both meta and level1. If the question was ever posed of having to choose between them and someone chose Creature, that person is very likely just a wolf teammate of Creature's imo.

The suckiest part of this is that Scotty is one of the best mid-late game town we have on this site and rarely do the wolves actually shoot him so he's a massive weapon for town if you can find him. It's a pretty shitty situation and I'm very very sus of Marmot especially for this.

[Lawpy]

For now based on my raw impressions

[VOTE: Slooneis] aubergine

[Dennis]

But also @miranda920 do you realize that you are calling out people for not voting while... You aren't voting.

If you're talking about that massive post with the votes that was mac, not miranda

[DrWilgy]

Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR

Question for people who have had read the game.

Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .

Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine

What is prompting you to 'want to envision a w/w world with creature?

[MacDougall]

cough cough be ready to be DISAPPOINTED heres the thing sloonei said to do

no seriously though i am terrible at like everything iso related

Spoiler: show

marmot - broke the tie which I don't think is scummy tbh. voted creature, and then said they didn't want creature to go over, but never explained their original creature vote before. overall scummy eod still I would vote here again

dyachei (lawpy) - that point about "why vote dennis over pyxxy" was really towny and the vote following is like. basic progression so towny vote

mightyrunner7 - sheeped dyachei which I am only letting slide with a "im new" pass. i am 90% sure you're new, so it's especially difficult for me to tell if you're just a new townie and followed a towny idea you saw, or a new wolf finding a way to hid on the top wagon. but you remind me of my dad trying to play this game as a newbie, trying to be open to show you're town with your very formal wording, like where you say "for this reason," before voting scotty. i'll give you a pass but i'll be watching.

sportponies - errrrm you're dead silly what are you doing here

neon - bad vote, you never actually explained why. you voted scotty because of a joke he made and while you doing that was hilarious it is also unfortunately rather scummy

creature - i actually cannot be forced to give enough shits to find when creature voted scotty and figure out the votes at that moment so im just gonna assume it was a self pres vote because of how creature seems to have irl nonsense getting in the way

sloonei - your vote felt a lil quick, maybe a lil forced, but then you made that huge scrolling banner and all the other nonsense supporting it. idk man this vote was so incredibly formulaic there is nothing exceptional about it, which i guess itself is towny

psv - i didn't know you voted scotty because you spent such little time talking about scotty. feels kinda bad bcuz no real reasoning

By end of day 1 you were being voted by two now dead town, and NateTheLesser. Nate continues to vote you. If you are town and were being voted by three town, I feel like at least one or two of the wolves would have found their way to be voting you by EOD except for in the scenario where the wolves had to throw every spare vote they could at Scotty to ensure Creature survived. Your perspective if town needs to be that there is always a wolf inside of Nate and Creature. Nod if you understand.

[MacDougall]

For now based on my raw impressions

[VOTE: Slooneis] aubergine

Have you read your predecessors ISO? You have the benefit of knowing that it was pure town thought so it would be well advised to at least review it and put some stuck in their reads as Dya is an s-tier town player.

[Dennis]

@Dennis you have both Zenge and Falcon as confident town , have you talked to Zenge about why you are reading Falcon as town?

Can you talk to me about how you see their whole interaction?

Falcon kinda sits there and lowposts until something interesting happens to him, and when he started really goin is when I started being confident. And he's got extra spice to it because of meta mafia which was a kinda frustrating loss so I believe it

He also is frustrating as hell to argue with when he gets like that, we literally did that IN meta mafia, and that's what makes me understand why zenge is so pissy. It's like how nate expected me to react to AM

I probably haven't talked to zenge about it because in my experience trying to drag someone out of a tunnel like that just wastes time and makes them scumread you too so I'm just taking shelter and letting it pass

[MacDougall]

Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

Oh shit, Good job, I like this and was about to review here.

Quick mention of something I noticed. There's likely one in Seanzie/Miranda920 as well.

Effectively we are looking at at least 1 in Dennis/Nate, at least 1 in Seanzie/Miranda920, and lastly at least 1 in the Falcon/Zenge/Santy.
Is the 'Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia' impacted by the multiple factions in your read at all?

No I am not factoring in multiple factions, and I have Falcon more likely different to Mightyrunner7 than Zedge. Zedge is just town, and in the event Falcon is town I don't think that changes it, if anything it makes it more likely because wolves rarely go hard in the paint to kill a random town the way Zedge would be doing. Why do you think Falcon and Santy contains one?

Explain the Seanzie/Miranda analysis?

[DrWilgy]

@Zenge @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7, I'll try to get through your ISO's tonight, but it may assist me if you would iterate as to why exactly you are voting Falcon?

[Dennis]

can you guys stop posting please I need to catch up and i'm permanently like 4 posts behind also [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[potentialsheltervet]

Here I will be sheeping Zenge/Psv take on genny

I'm leaning scum on genny at the moment
I do tend to fall into a bias of (relative) high poster genny=town genny. I think that's because when she's around more I can more easily get a grip on her thought process. It's really hard for me to feel her out either way when she's only posted once this cycle and a handful of times fiscal yesterday. But still I feel like the solving energy hasn't been there.