Summer Sh*t Day 5

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Neon
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Neon wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 8:07 pm Killing obv town Neon for no reason is pretty wolfy milord
Yaren't obv town milady
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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I think a trust fall is a good idea here. I should go through and list why I'm TRing each person and compare how strong the reasoning is.
...but later. I was at work for like eleven hours because SOMEONE'S ovary decided to tear.
It wasn't my ovary, for the record.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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I am pretty obv town
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You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.

High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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...
Where is everyone?
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Such a lonely day
And it's mine
The most loneliest day of my life
Such a lonely day
Should be banned
It's a day that I can't stand
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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I don't see why we should wait around for the NK to be thinking, analyzing, considering. I think it's clear people in the POE like myself, Dennis, etc. will be spared. Just sitting and doing nothing is, imo, just giving the last goon a breather.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Fwiw I don't think Dennis's response to the tie between him and six yesterday felt super scummy. You could say he knew there was a chance of him living so he needed to maintain the charade of being town but even with that view, he still seemed more... Idk, genuine and innocent to me.
Dennis isn't my first choice for an elim this upcoming cycle.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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I still don't really think SPF is mafia either. I guess she'd be more of an "oh shit!" Panic vote.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:08 pm I don't see why we should wait around for the NK to be thinking, analyzing, considering. I think it's clear people in the POE like myself, Dennis, etc. will be spared. Just sitting and doing nothing is, imo, just giving the last goon a breather.
ftr i agree, but i made a point to take a breather after that flip because i wanted to come back refreshed and with a new perspective. didn't really feel any motivation to continue solving after that happened
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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if im still alive (which i perceive as being fairly likely atm) when the night ends then im going to prioritize doing a Trust Fall and Distrust Fall and go from there
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 1

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I feel like Dennis will probably be the next elim so here's are some quotes that I find towny from them:
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Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pm
Camilla wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pm
Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 3:19 pm
Camilla wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine
Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks
The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 11:05 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:57 pm
Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 3:19 pm
Camilla wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine
Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks
I kind of want to talk about this
I was in that game too (this is for people who weren't/don't remember)

I thought pyxxy's list and their lists made in the other game felt very different
pyxxy's lists in the other game were more like actual reads lists - ordered and without any comments
the one they posted here just felt like a greeting

what do you mean by "it makes [you] freak out"?
do you townread it?
Less townread it, more I don't know how to read it and it's making me go all "hmm it could be, but also not" in my head

Saying this out loud makes me feel like something should be more obvious to me
I feel like scum would at least try to make something up here
Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 11:07 pm Oh I haven't given like any reads yet lol

TR on Camilla, spf, and... PSV? I've actually got 0 clue why psv but the feeling is there
reason for townreading PSV is non-existent
same comment as above, the lack of a specific reason feels more towny
Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 10:59 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:49 pm jk

actually, despite Dennis saying they're a lazy D1 player, there were some takes in their posts (most notably the concern on Camilla pushing lhf)
Ted did it too

When I've got people posting 17 page thesises (wtf is thr plural for thesis) it's kind of hard to not start thinking a little
bringing attention that Ted did the same
Dennis wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 2:59 pm
Kate wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 1:43 pm
Dennis wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 10:59 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:49 pm jk

actually, despite Dennis saying they're a lazy D1 player, there were some takes in their posts (most notably the concern on Camilla pushing lhf)
Ted did it too

When I've got people posting 17 page thesises (wtf is thr plural for thesis) it's kind of hard to not start thinking a little
Dennis can you give me the cliff notes on everyone so far?
That'd be way easier if I actually knew what cliff notes are B)

If you really want to get an actual feel probably just iso like, someone in Camilla/spf/ted cause they've lead the conversation thus far

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the mafia's total posts was less than 7 (original thought, I know)

Camilla was a top wagon for a little bit which I was preparing to come in and strike down today but that has resolved itself. Camilla's been arguably the most outspoken and trying thus far, this is turning into just me pocketing aaaaa, generic townie keep doin whatchya doin

PSV is iffy for me, cause in my catchup I saw one or two posts that gave me iffy feels (I'll go find it in a second). I'd still rather not chop for reasons unexplainable by me

Ted is the top wagon rn and I don't know why. Not so much I'm 100 percent sure they're town, more I feel like no one really explained themselves (maybe I'm just forgetting) and that's currently steering me towards TRing them

Spf making that weird claim where me defending you (Kate) is town indicative for me seems so wild, not even wolfy just like wild, that a wolf wouldn't do it

Everyone else is forgettable thus far, except for pyxxy who has given me approximately 0 feelings

So yah. Idk why people always end up asking me this cause idk what you want but um. There you go
Dennis wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 4:37 pm
Kate wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 4:21 pm
Dennis wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 4:10 pm Yeah I really have no idea who to vote, but I don't think Ted is a hit

[VOTE: psv] aubergine I guess, got those ickies I was talking about before
What are your thoughts on Ted? Any thoughts specifically related to why he isn't defending at all but has been active in thread?
I just don't even know how the wagon formed

Like when did all of these votes show up?? And that's leading me to believe they're town because of how easy these votes piled on and there no effort other than me to get them off. And I'm town so it's like

I dunno, a lot of people don't really defend themselves. Like I will go down kicking and screaming, you will too, but I know a lot of people who read defending as scummy. And they've left a legacy without even being prompted which I find towny and sorts defendy in its own right
lalala I'm too lazy to do the rest
maybe I should spoiler it
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Ted
PSV
pyxxy
Dennis

sig
Neon
SPF

maybe?
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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idk lol
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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h-hewwo?
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Sorry guys for running late. I’ll have it posted in a few minutes
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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I'm sorry too everyone and @fingersplints
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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In Honour of Six, they had an ice cream feast. They went all out; Dozens of flavours and all the toppings. Everyone ate their fill.
No need for dinner when this much ice cream was on the menu.
After they finished some were tired for bed, but others noticed that it was actually still light out at their usual bedtime, so they might as well stay up.
They decided to go for a walk. Almost immediately the talk turned to who was responsible for all the shenanigans as of late.
Everyone had reasons why it could/couldn’t be everyone. And they were all pretty curious who would be most vulnerable tonight.

Someone even whispered

Lemonfairy wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 4:44 pm I would be honored to be chosen as the 3rd NK


Well, lemonfairy should have perhaps been more careful with her words.
Someone saw that as a challenge. They switched some signs and she got distracted watching the sunset, that she didn’t notice til she was super lost.
She had no choice but to go home.

Lemonfairy had been eliminated. She was Long Days of Sunshine (town)
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:12 pm Fwiw I don't think Dennis's response to the tie between him and six yesterday felt super scummy. You could say he knew there was a chance of him living so he needed to maintain the charade of being town but even with that view, he still seemed more... Idk, genuine and innocent to me.
Dennis isn't my first choice for an elim this upcoming cycle.
Who is then

Undecided is a fair option I'm kind of there rn too
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Dennis wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:05 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:12 pm Fwiw I don't think Dennis's response to the tie between him and six yesterday felt super scummy. You could say he knew there was a chance of him living so he needed to maintain the charade of being town but even with that view, he still seemed more... Idk, genuine and innocent to me.
Dennis isn't my first choice for an elim this upcoming cycle.
Who is then

Undecided is a fair option I'm kind of there rn too
Probably still Neon. I plan to work on it... Sometime. :shrug:
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town
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Re: Summer Sh*t Night 3

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Dennis wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town
He's not really been in the POE at all that I've noticed. I'm not sure why though. I hadn't even read any posts from him until yesterday, frankly.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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O wow, there's only seven of us left. Okay.
Lemme think... A game winning POE is probably sig, SPF, and neon. I don't really think SPF is scum but I guess if it gets to that point... Idk.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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@Dennis would I ever rand a vote that actually killed you? 😎
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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after that EOD I think I'm down to lock Dennis as town

and as is apparent by now, that makes Dennis the next nk *salutes*
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:12 pm
Dennis wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town
He's not really been in the POE at all that I've noticed. I'm not sure why though. I hadn't even read any posts from him until yesterday, frankly.
do you mean like, besides your poe?
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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pyxxy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:54 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:12 pm
Dennis wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town
He's not really been in the POE at all that I've noticed. I'm not sure why though. I hadn't even read any posts from him until yesterday, frankly.
do you mean like, besides your poe?
Sig? I'm talking about the vague, general consensus POE, yea
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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@staypositivefriend Thoughts on sig?
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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@Neon Where are you, POE wise? Narrow it down to three pls
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 9:15 pm @staypositivefriend Thoughts on sig?
hold that thought for a bit, doing some analysis now
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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! Someone is here!
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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might be a while yet but i hope ur still around in an hour or so
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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Dennis: Initially I doubted him due to the apparently strange timing and circumstances of his vote on Seanzie. However, he also voted falcon if I'm not mistaken. His response to the last minute tie with six didn't feel like a wolf in peril or flailing to stay alive. It felt like a townie who was startled and slightly irritated by the way things had gone down. Essentially lock town.
tedxtr: Also basically lock town. His behavior with falcon D2 just doesn't feel w/w at all imo. It would be some wildly impressive theatre but the more parsimonious option is ted is just town.
pyxxy: a player that's been sorta slipping under the radar for me. I like his posts a lot when he's around. Tossing the six/Dennis tie to RNG is... strange. I think it's odd he apparently had no opinion on which one was wolfier and was fine with either dying. I really don't know what to do with that. It's also incredibly weird behavior for a mafioso though because they would know both are town and not care which went over, so why draw attention by making it so dicey? Idk. Maybe someone else can enlighten me on pyxxy's actions there? I'm not sure. pyxxy is a question mark.
sig: I keep forgetting sig is playing. However I read his iso and I'm not really seeing him as mafia. He was sussing falcon a bit and while pretty absent is definitely putting forth effort while here, so... hm. Not as sus as I'd thought.
SPF: MEH. WEH. She could be a deepwolf I guess, but I'm really not feeling this is true. I want to respect Kate's legacy but even within the argument I didn't think SPF came off very scummy? Weird. She seems to be genuinely working on clearing people and POEing and such. Blah. Hard slot to solve but gut says she's town.
Neon: nyuh. I know I'm kinda alone in the scum read and okay, maybe there's some OMGUS. I'd really like to take her word for what she said about not killing Camilla N1. She does seem to have a lack of TMI re: falcon's alignment and I don't know what to do with that. yet she also triggers me.

Hm. Looking at this I think the player I feel worst about is... pyxxy?
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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staypositivefriend wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 11:13 pm might be a while yet but i hope ur still around in an hour or so
Not sure, might be asleep by then. If not I'll pop back around.
I finally spat out my reads on everyone still alive.
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staypositivefriend wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 11:13 pm might be a while yet but i hope ur still around in an hour or so
Not sure, might be asleep by then. If not I'll pop back around.
I finally spat out my reads on everyone still alive.
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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Well heck, why did it tell me I couldn't make a post so soon after my last if it was going to post anyway? Now I look like a fool!
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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trustfall:

so, for those of you who are uninitiated, the premise behind a trustfall is simply to “name the best reasons you can think of the call a player town”.

i do mental trustfalls in pretty much every game i play, but i feel like the gamestate right now kind of necessitates me thinking out loud and sharing that process as transparently as possible

so, let’s get started:

dennis

-he had a towny reaction to being potentially eliminated yesterday - continuing to post as normal and seeming to take the elimination in stride, when if dennis was the final maf, i would expect him to be a bit more panicked/concerned? his post at p#1732 looks like a villager who realizes he should stop talking bcuz he might be dead, and not like a wolf who is worried that the game is about to come to an end

-what benefit does dennis have to defend me as a wolf yesterday? i don’t see a clear one. if dennis is mafia, then he has the easiest excuse in the world to push on me. kate died and she was convinced i was mafia. sixstrings was confident i was mafia too. why not just go the path of least resistance and sheep his family?

if dennis is mafia, then he would need to be playing from the perspective that he has to secure as many miseliminations as possible. bearing that in mind, it would have probably been a lot easier for dennis to get me eliminated first followed by sixstrings, instead of the other way around. i would have (likely) died with sixstrings in my immediate POE, and sixstrings would look bad after i flipped town. so, again, why not just vote me out and then use my elimination as an excuse to get sixstrings voted out the next day? that’s two miseliminations right there!

so in short, i’m struggling to see why dennis goes out of his way to make the game harder for himself in a world where he’s mafia

neon

-to put it as simply as possible, it does not feel to me like neon had TMI of falcon’s alignment. she went out of her way to defend him and call him a likely town flip, even at a point when falcon had seemed to have given up on saving himself

there is no real strategic incentive that i can see for neon defending falcon in the way that she did, and i think that her defense of falcon particularly makes sense in the context of falcon seeming to play in a way that was intended to manipulate neon’s meta on him (ie: the super pockety posts he made toward her, and the way neon expressed the sentiment that falcon might not be so bold as to try to pocket her 2 games in a row)

-the specific way that neon defended falcon aligns with the exact meta that ive seen in the last 2 games ive played with her (ie: neon has a tendency to passionately defend players she thinks are being treated/pushed unfairly), and idk if she would go out of her way to replicate this meta as a wolf unless her goal was to pocket just specifically me

-p#102 from seanzie (the post where seanzie is like: “i believe that SPF is telling the truth about mafia, and i think you do too”) is a weird post to make toward your own partner, because it feels a bit …like gaslighting in a sense? the wording of the post comes off as rather manipulative and i struggle to understand what the train of thought behind that post was if seanzie/neon were W/W, whereas it’s easy for me to see why seanzie would make that post if neon is town and he wanted to convince her that i’m mafia

-the way falcon talked about neon on p#271, p#275, and p#337 (and other posts, but those feel like the big ones to me) all feel a bit like TMI of her alignment

hard to imagine falcon going out of his way to hard townread his partner in the early stages of the game, but easy to imagine falcon trying to pocket neon in the early stages of the game by talking about how towny she is

-the way falcon sheeped neon on psv felt a bit like a wolf piggybacking off of a villagers incorrect push as opposed to a wolf sheeping another wolf

-super small point, but i like that neon essentially gave a non-answer on p#75 when she was asked to explain her townread on falcon, (Ie: “vibes”), when wolves who are TRing their partners or trying to powerwolf tend to be a bit more overly explanatory, in my experience

potentialsheltervet

-seanzie’s treatment of psv arguably spews PSV as town. for example:

1. i find it kind of difficult to imagine seanzie going out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts (p#61)

2. ………if seanzie went out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts, why not commit to distancing from her? why do this really awkward shift where you start acting cloying toward her and talk about how her responses have been towny? (ie: p#191, p#296, p#452

3. it’s kind of easy for me to see seanzie pushing on PSV at the start of the game as a way to “anchor” himself into the game or produce content, and then backing off once he saw that PSV was pushing on him for it and that he wanted to catch less heat. it’s a little harder for me to understand why seanzie would open the game by distancing from his partner, only to change his mind rather awkwardly and abruptly

-falcon pushing on PSV with neon reads a bit like a wolf trying to find an easy name to push on, though this is a more minor point since his push on her was ultimately fairly limited

-idk if psv would be so bold as to townread both of her partners toward the beginning of the game at p#277

-it was easy to see the writing on the wall that falcon was going to die on d2, but PSV played in a way that gave her zero towncred from his flip. i would expect a wolf on d2 to distance a bit from falcon at least a little bit or call him null or something, but PSV outright said he was town and that she didn’t want to vote for him. again, this is a counter intuitive way for PSV to treat falcon if they are W/W and she is preparing to solo endgame

-psv has felt like one of most invested/solvey players over the last dayphase or so. this isn’t super town indicative since maf are capable of being invested too, but i kind of anticipate maf would feel a bit demotivated here, and i dont sense that in psv’s play

pyxxy

-it’s a bit towny in a vacuum that pyxxy called out falcon on p#503 and that he seemed actively suspicious of him in the early game before most players were. if falcon and pyxxy are W/W and pyxxy was trying to distance from him, not totally sure why he would switch his read on falcon on d2 so abruptly

-there are some micro towntells i’ve picked up on from pyxxy, like his handling of camilia on d1, or him saying that he should be POE’d below sig,

sig

-i like sig coming right out of the gate pushing on falcon on d2 on p#1169, when a wolf might be more reluctant to hardbus their remaining partner at that stage

-at a very base level, i think that sig’s posts are good. i have townread him whenever i see him posting in the thread in realtime, because his posts seem to indicate a high depth of thought and i generally find it easy to understand his conclusions even if i disagree with them. (ie: based on this analysis, i think the 3 person POE he’s pushing of myself/psv/dennis is likely wrong, but i can believe that he believes in it)

i also found it towny that he said he was purposely withholding some of his thoughts on p#1497 bcuz he wanted to let the day play out, and i think it’s difficult for wolves to come up with posts like that organically

it’s difficult to know how much weight to put into this, because i don’t have a good feel for how wide sig’s scumrange is, but it’s something on my mind regardless

tedxtr

falcon pushed on ted and voted for him rather abruptly on p#922 and p#923, and i kind of think this might be clearing for ted

that’s because at the time, falcon was the leading wagon (to my memory) and one of the main contenders for elimination. ted was one of the other leading candidates for miselimination at the time, and i had my vote parked on him

so,, falcon abruptly jumping on ted after barely mentioning him and then pushing on him with some posts that feel quite explicitly “bad faith” reads to me more like a wolf who is trying to find an excuse to get a villager miseliminated and self-preserve, as opposed to a wolf who is bussing another wolf

if falcon was bussing ted, i would expect their dynamic to play out a bit differently from how it did. for one, i think that ted would have probably made a bigger show out of his push on falcon instead of just saying: “is falcon still in his wolf meta?” and parking his vote on him once he got a “yes” answer, and i think that falcon would have proly tried to make his push look more aggressive/clearing for ted instead of just pushing on him in the laziest/most opportunistic way possible

-super minor point, but there was a point on d1 when ted and falcon were both parked on psv together (which kate pointed out on p#562), and i tend to think that wolves are generally cautious about parking on wagons together and try to distance by voting for different players, esp on d1 when voting with each other is almost never necessary

-another smaller point, but ted’s solving has just consistently felt “real” to me in a way that scum solving usually does not, such as his conviction on PSV being mafia and the way he has gravitated back and forth toward pursuing his read on her to losing confidence in it, or his hedginess about who should die at the end of yesterday, or even the way he questioned me about why i was interrogating kate at the end of d3
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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but the fun doesn't stop there, dear readers. in the process of making that trustfall, i also made a distrustfall. this is the same concept as the “trustfall”, but this time, you are trying to name the best reasons you can think of to call a player mafia, and to challenge the logic behind your townreads as critically as possible

dennis

-dennis’s progression on both seanzie and falcon followed a similar pattern - barely speaking about or acknowledging them, and then proceeding to vote/push them rather abruptly once the momentum shifted against them. the reality is that dennis played virtually zero role in building momentum against either seanzie or falcon, so there is no real towncred to give him for those eliminations

neon

-the obvious explanation for neon defending falcon (that i ignored in my trustfall) could simply be that she wanted to keep her partner alive as possible because she did not want to try to solo endgame. this would make some level of sense

(.........though if this was the case, i would expect neon to be a bit more proactive in trying to save him instead of just calling him town and leaving it at that)

potentialsheltvervet

-at the end of the day, a lot of the reasons i have to townread PSV are based on spew/wifom, which are both easy to draw incorrect conclusions from and tends to be the territory where i misread players the most

pyxxy

-it was kind of hard for me to come up with strong reasons to townread pyxxy in general

-pyxxy doesn’t have much of a visible progression on either seanzie or falcon. he was absent when seanzie got flashwagoned at the EOD1

-his shift from: “i find falcon scummy and think he’s in scum meta” to “im sheeping neon’s tr on falcon” on d2 is a bit abrupt, and it could very well be because seanzie died and pyxxy was trying to pivot away from having to distance from his other partner

-falcon and seanzie did not seem to interact with or acknowledge the existence of pyxxy much at all

sig

-my reasons to townread sig feel a little weak in comparison to my other townreads right now, and essentially boil down to: “I Like His Posts”

a counterargument to the towncred im giving to him for pushing on falcon could be that sig realized he would need to be the one to endgame once seanzie flipped, and so he entered d2 with the specific intent to push on falcon and make himself look good

tedxtr

-my perception is that ted has deflated a bit over the last dayphase or so, which could theoretically come from a wolf who is sad about both of their partners being dead and is lacking motivation

-my tr on ted is largely based on spew and spew is super malleable and easy to draw incorrect conclusions from
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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so anyway, some observations from having done all that and having spent some time going back through the game in general:

-i found it very easy to come up with reasons to townread dennis, neon, ted, and potentialshelter

-with neon in particular, i actually had to make myself stop writing new reasons to townread her, just because i kept coming up with new ones as i looked back through the game. i think one of the bigger developments from doing this exercise is that i'm now pretty confident that she is town, especially since i couldn't really come up with any meaningful reasons to distrust her in my distrustfall, and i felt like my tinfoil against her didn't really hold up to any scrutiny

-i also kind of want to treat dennis as clear too. my reasons to trust him were a bit less sparse than some of my other reads (ie: neon), but i also felt really swayed by my reasoning while i was writing it in the moment. i don't see why dennis ever takes the approach he does to me yesterday if he is a solo wolf who needs to endgame. it would be shooting himself in the foot for no real reason

-....tbh kind of the same with ted....i think that falcon's push on him is arguably clearing and i feel like i am overcomplicating/overthinking by theorizing about a world where he and falcon hard pushed each other on d2 at a point when their other partner was already dead. it seems like the most simple explanation here is the most likely to be true

-which kind of leads me to sig and pyxy, who i felt like i had the least amount of reasons to townread respectively

-but even though i didn't have many reasons to townread sig, i still felt kind of swayed by the small reasons that i did have to townread him. i did have to do some digging/grasping to come up with those reasons tbh, but they felt a bit convincing to me when i was writing them

-as for pyxy, i really struggled to come up with coherent reasons to townread him - it was a lot harder than i expected it to be. but i did find it easy to come up with reasons to be worried about him in my distrustfall (like his progression on falcon and the way he piggybacked off of neon's tr on falcon to defend falcon himself, after pushing on him throughout d1)

-i found it the hardest overall to come up with reasons to distrust neon, psv, and sig. that might sound weird since sig isn't in my most confident townreads, but it was just a bit difficult for me to write about him in either direction
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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so uhh....i'm going to chew on all of that for a while. i would really appreciate peoples thoughts and opinions because i spent a lot of time working on those posts and i really want ppl to interact with me today so that i can leave a confident legacy if i end up getting eliminated
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but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it
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staypositivefriend wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 12:20 am but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it
I pretty much endorse this

I just skimmed all your posts and I'm willing to order it:

sig -> pyxxy (myself) -> spf (yourself).....maybe psv?

mostly because I think it's important to create a very broad towncore and force the last scum to keep killing within it

this has partially been why I acted the way I did last day. I was pretty clear early on that I wanted real wagons, we got real wagons, and now Dennis is clear :D

truly though I do regret not being around for EOD D1, feels like me being null there is the biggest hinderance to solving my slot :/
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(hehehe at me making another post putting myself as second in the lim line 😎)
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Re: Summer Sh*t Day 4

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staypositivefriend wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 12:20 am but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it
nope my only waver is PSV

if I had to order for myself:
Neon - towncore
Dennis - strong townread
ted - townread

and mostly this is a "how much have I played with someone" list

(but I suspect the last scum feels that Dennis is the most obv town, thus my guess earlier that he's next to go......home from the summer camp trip)
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pyxxy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 8:49 pm after that EOD I think I'm down to lock Dennis as town

and as is apparent by now, that makes Dennis the next nk *salutes*
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potentialsheltervet wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 10:42 pm @Neon Where are you, POE wise? Narrow it down to three pls
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