[WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia

[Scotty]

only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

YALL

IM LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO JUST SLEEPWALK INTO THE VOID

[Jackofhearts2005]

scotty + jack or scotty + pyxxy

Scotty, Scotty Pyxxy as the last two point five wolves.

Book it.

…what

Since when do you suddenly suspect me too

I don't. The joke is that Tutuu listed you twice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I agree with Tutuu in a vacuum that's a bad Scotty post. I haven't looked at his other stuff and don't have enough confidence in my Scotty reading ability to follow that push atm.

You can call that cowardly wolf motivated for not wanting to push a partner/misyeet but it's just ya know that last sentence rephrased.

This is some opportunistic bullshit and you know it

So outside of the ‘vacuum’ it’s a good post? Or is there no correlation.

The post isn't in a vacuum. It's bad alone by itself. Your alignment is not contained exclusively within that post. It's all your shit, shit I largely haven't read.

Opportunistically not taking a side.

[Scotty]

scotty + jack or scotty + pyxxy

Scotty, Scotty Pyxxy as the last two point five wolves.

Book it.

…what

Since when do you suddenly suspect me too

I don't. The joke is that Tutuu listed you twice.

joke













me

[DrWilgy]

Day 1:
Porscha: Alison, Seanzie, Roxy, Pyxxy, Wilgy
Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu
Scotty: Rondo
Tutuu: Falcon
Missing: Camilla, Prince J

Day 2:
Falcon: Alison, Tutuu, Pyxxy, Rondo
Rondo: Scotty, Wilgy, Falcon, Camilla, Zenon
Tutuu: Roxy
Missing: Prince J

Day 1's Pyxxy wagon has at least one wolf in it. This is just between Scotty/Pyxxy.

Falcon I could be wrong on assuming Scotty T, based on D2 wagons. I just don't think I am.
A solving PoE:
Pyxxy > Scotty > Prince Jack > Falcon

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine if I'm wrong, let me know. I may muster up the effort to change my vote... Probably not actually. Godspeed you apathetic gremlins.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Feels homey to be like the third person who "needs to be eliminated eventually."

[Scotty]

This is a futile exercise but In this episode of
IF I WERE WOLF (hosted by Drew Carey)
I would stick to my guns with town!falcon and town!pyxxy and let you all cannabalize one of them today. I wouldn’t make any more waves.

Then I’d kill Camilla tonite as a doc dodge

And here comes Priscilla the Dancing Bear to bring us to commercial!

[AUDIENCE APPLAUSE]
[Cut to black]

[Alison]

only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

YALL

IM LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO JUST SLEEPWALK INTO THE VOID

can you rephrase/sum up your suspicion on camilla

[Alison]

Wilgy sticking up for falcon probably means he is only mafia with falcon. Wilgy mafia with anyone else just eats pretzels and watches falcon die

[Scotty]

Think of my vote as a +1.

I’m down to vote pyxxy or falcon because I still think one or both of them are bad, if that’s what the rest of you want to do.

[Alison]

Wilgy sticking up for falcon probably means he is only mafia with falcon. Wilgy mafia with anyone else just eats pretzels and watches falcon die

Which is really useful since it lets me rule out scotty wilgy

[Scotty]

only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

YALL

IM LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO JUST SLEEPWALK INTO THE VOID

can you rephrase/sum up your suspicion on camilla

It’s just like 3 posts at the top of the last page. Just a general vibe like I feel she’s town based on her solving, but it’s still so blendy.

Also I’m apparently the only one even contemplating that which also is weird to me.

Why is Camilla good, to you?

[Alison]

only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

YALL

IM LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO JUST SLEEPWALK INTO THE VOID

can you rephrase/sum up your suspicion on camilla

It’s just like 3 posts at the top of the last page. Just a general vibe like I feel she’s town based on her solving, but it’s still so blendy.

Also I’m apparently the only one even contemplating that which also is weird to me.

Why is Camilla good, to you?

Because she has posts and solving that I agree with, and I think she had the clout to save porscha d1 if she wanted & i think she would have wanted if she was mafia

[Alison]

You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?

[Alison]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

[Jackofhearts2005]

@pyxxy can you place a vote asap. i want to see what you do

@Jackofhearts2005 you too. there's no hammer

Sure.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I think the Falcon case is more straightforward than the Pyxxy case. That is, there were things that I read in Pyxxy's iso that looked good and other things that looked bad but there wasn't much good in Falcon's iso. Falcon asked me who was a wolf given he was town and I answered him but that was the extent of the interaction and I didn't really feel any kind of townie spark or solving or anything that would make me want to vote someone else as an alternative. So here I am.

[Scotty]

You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?

No, but that is the definition of blendy, is it not?

Maybe falcon is scum, and we can revisit this tomorrow, but I think it silly to not even visit the possibility of why we townread her

[Scotty]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

Do you not think there is a possibility of both pyxxy and myself being town?

(I agree that I lean pyxxy bad atm but that scenario could still exist, could it not?)

[Alison]

You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?

No, but that is the definition of blendy, is it not?

Maybe falcon is scum, and we can revisit this tomorrow, but I think it silly to not even visit the possibility of why we townread her

Well i summed up why I TR her. Do you think its invalid?

[Alison]

My point was that most of the town is having "blendy" takes today so i am curious why camilla is particularly guilty of it in your view. Like Jack has I think no views at all that arent consensus

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

This reads logical except what if there were mafia absent at EOD or mafia that were caught not where they wanted to be by last min wagon shifts? What happens when you take that into account?

Also, idk if in a wolf Porscha/town Pyxxy world wolves really push to yeet Pyxxy over Porscha. Depends. Like was Porscha going down anyway eventually? Did the wolves express townreads on Pyxxy and scumreads on Porscha such that it was hard to shift their votes there in a way that wouldn't be awkward?

Basically, I appreciate your line of thinking and I'd like it to be true but I'm skeptical of it's accuracy re: there is def exactly one wolf in Pyxxy/Scotty.

[Camilla]

You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?

No, but that is the definition of blendy, is it not?

Maybe falcon is scum, and we can revisit this tomorrow, but I think it silly to not even visit the possibility of why we townread her

I mean, yeah?

But I don't think this is that AI in the current game-state which is why I also disagree on Alison's read on Jack/Falcon.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My point was that most of the town is having "blendy" takes today so i am curious why camilla is particularly guilty of it in your view. Like Jack has I think no views at all that arent consensus

I'm less blendy than Camilla because Camilla has an anime girl avatar and I have a wrestling avatar.

[Alison]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

Do you not think there is a possibility of both pyxxy and myself being town?

(I agree that I lean pyxxy bad atm but that scenario could still exist, could it not?)

Then where are the other two mafia? They just gonna let a mafia die d1 when either of them can easily vote pyxxy with little accountability and kill a town over a maf?

[Alison]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

This reads logical except what if there were mafia absent at EOD or mafia that were caught not where they wanted to be by last min wagon shifts? What happens when you take that into account?

Also, idk if in a wolf Porscha/town Pyxxy world wolves really push to yeet Pyxxy over Porscha. Depends. Like was Porscha going down anyway eventually? Did the wolves express townreads on Pyxxy and scumreads on Porscha such that it was hard to shift their votes there in a way that wouldn't be awkward?

Basically, I appreciate your line of thinking and I'd like it to be true but I'm skeptical of it's accuracy re: there is def exactly one wolf in Pyxxy/Scotty.

Yeah afk wolves would scupper this logic. Sad

[Scotty]

My point was that most of the town is having "blendy" takes today so i am curious why camilla is particularly guilty of it in your view. Like Jack has I think no views at all that arent consensus

I think I’ve just been reading Camilla as the default town voice in the bundle that is zenon/tutuu/Camilla, and actually looked through her iso for the first time.

I’ve already done that with you, and felt more comfortable based on your Porscha vote why I think you look town.

Prince jack just showed up to the diner with a fancy leather jacket and pompadour haircut so im still getting a feel for him

[Scotty]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

This reads logical except what if there were mafia absent at EOD or mafia that were caught not where they wanted to be by last min wagon shifts? What happens when you take that into account?

Also, idk if in a wolf Porscha/town Pyxxy world wolves really push to yeet Pyxxy over Porscha. Depends. Like was Porscha going down anyway eventually? Did the wolves express townreads on Pyxxy and scumreads on Porscha such that it was hard to shift their votes there in a way that wouldn't be awkward?

Basically, I appreciate your line of thinking and I'd like it to be true but I'm skeptical of it's accuracy re: there is def exactly one wolf in Pyxxy/Scotty.

Porscha is the yeet in a wolf pyxxy/Porscha split if pyxxy is the RBer. This was my conjecture at the beginning of D2, and it’s not a terrible theory

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

This reads logical except what if there were mafia absent at EOD or mafia that were caught not where they wanted to be by last min wagon shifts? What happens when you take that into account?

Also, idk if in a wolf Porscha/town Pyxxy world wolves really push to yeet Pyxxy over Porscha. Depends. Like was Porscha going down anyway eventually? Did the wolves express townreads on Pyxxy and scumreads on Porscha such that it was hard to shift their votes there in a way that wouldn't be awkward?

Basically, I appreciate your line of thinking and I'd like it to be true but I'm skeptical of it's accuracy re: there is def exactly one wolf in Pyxxy/Scotty.

Yeah afk wolves would scupper this logic. Sad

Was there anyone afk at eod besides probably me?

[Scotty]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

Do you not think there is a possibility of both pyxxy and myself being town?

(I agree that I lean pyxxy bad atm but that scenario could still exist, could it not?)

Then where are the other two mafia? They just gonna let a mafia die d1 when either of them can easily vote pyxxy with little accountability and kill a town over a maf?

Well, here’s a theory.

And I know you’re not gonna want to hear this




But Camilla wasn’t around D1




ok I’ll go back to my broom closet

[tutuu]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine i hate this but im trusting u guys

[tutuu]

id chop falcon -> pyxxy -> scotty (assuming falcon and pyxxy town) (if either wolf, think over)

i dont think a team of 2 in {alison, camilla, wilgy, roxy, jack} makes a lot of sense

i suppose this can lose to wilgy + jack but. theres always 1 team we lose to worst case scenario

if replace scotty with jack chop earlier than lose to scotty + wilgy team. so need to pick 1 combination to lose to. and always lose to roxy alison camilla maf imo

[Camilla]

I know Tutuu will hate me but I feel like Scotty's posts were villagery irt the threadstate.

Today would be a fairly easy day for a wolf to post since it just feels like we're just sleepwalking into a Falcon lynch so for him to tinfoil loud voices like me/Alison today doesn't really feel like it's what a wolf would do.

I just don't see the logic to do this and it kind of feels more like villager paranoia.

[tutuu]

I agree with Tutuu in a vacuum that's a bad Scotty post. I haven't looked at his other stuff and don't have enough confidence in my Scotty reading ability to follow that push atm.

You can call that cowardly wolf motivated for not wanting to push a partner/misyeet but it's just ya know that last sentence rephrased.

This is some opportunistic bullshit and you know it

So outside of the ‘vacuum’ it’s a good post? Or is there no correlation.

first sentence is mafia who thinks he's caught for the wrong reasons zzz

[tutuu]

I know Tutuu will hate me but I feel like Scotty's posts were villagery irt the threadstate.

Today would be a fairly easy day for a wolf to post since it just feels like we're just sleepwalking into a Falcon lynch so for him to tinfoil loud voices like me/Alison today doesn't really feel like it's what a wolf would do.

I just don't see the logic to do this and it kind of feels more like villager paranoia.

i wont hate u ur fluffy and adorable and cute

[tutuu]

i wrote a semi lengthy post about thinking who's not w/w but im discarding it ... with cop dead mafia are free to bus safely. mafia loves to bus. u guys love to bus. they can get away with it too with town apathy. i wont be defending falcon no more i dont want to get in your guys' way

[tutuu]

@falcon45ca im expecting a 10 page dissertation thesis about whos mafia with logistically argumentativevly outlined bullet points, arithmetical and geometrical analysis of the game state including +-EV and percentage chance of success, root tree diagram of possible scum combinations and potential outcomes. you have work to do buddy. chop, chop

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca im expecting a 10 page dissertation thesis about whos mafia with logistically argumentativevly outlined bullet points, arithmetical and geometrical analysis of the game state including +-EV and percentage chance of success, root tree diagram of possible scum combinations and potential outcomes. you have work to do buddy. chop, chop

Honestly, just chop me and get it over with then. Do we have hammer?

[Camilla]

It's a poll

Spoiler: show

@tutuu

On reread I kind would like to chop Jack over Pyxxy if Falcon's W on re-read. Especially if Falcon's the RB'er.

If the team's Falcon/Pyxxy/Porscha then it means that Pyxxy decided to bus his second teammate after a d1 wolf kill and while playing in an extremely lethargic way and while the cop is still alive. Not really something I think is likely.

[tutuu]

It's a poll

Spoiler: show

@tutuu

On reread I kind would like to chop Jack over Pyxxy if Falcon's W on re-read. Especially if Falcon's the RB'er.

If the team's Falcon/Pyxxy/Porscha then it means that Pyxxy decided to bus his second teammate after a d1 wolf kill and while playing in an extremely lethargic way and while the cop is still alive. Not really something I think is likely.

sure i give u my blessing to do as you please queen

if falcon is mafia the game is unwinnable for wolves imo so im not rly bothering to think about that

[falcon45ca]

Any team that includes me as Wolf is just dead wrong.





I'm town. Start solving now with that mindset, and get a headstart.

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy can you place a vote asap. i want to see what you do

@Jackofhearts2005 you too. there's no hammer

.......sorry..............had..............to sleep.......

.......I think.......I'm stuck..............re-reading..............is..............scotty/falcon..............a.......difference check?.......wdyt?.......

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy can you place a vote asap. i want to see what you do

@Jackofhearts2005 you too. there's no hammer

.......sorry..............had..............to sleep.......

.......I think.......I'm stuck..............re-reading..............is..............scotty/falcon..............a.......difference check?.......wdyt?.......

.......my concern..............my scotty reads..............historically..........................................bad.......paranoid..............chopped.......the good scot.......

..............but.......my.......D1.......vca..............scotty stuck..............porscha also..............voted me..............earlier.......for.......bad reasons..............idk..............it's viable.......

[pyxxy]

Jack subs in and agrees with consensus scumreads how exciting.

"consensus scumreads"
.......?

Falcon and you.

*puts on my best Jack impression*
...................................nah

[pyxxy]

scotty and falcon have opposite alignments if they don't i'll literally piss in a cup and drink it

............................I..............shoujld have..............cuaght up..............before posting :/.......

[pyxxy]

I agree with Tutuu in a vacuum that's a bad Scotty post. I haven't looked at his other stuff and don't have enough confidence in my Scotty reading ability to follow that push atm.

You can call that cowardly wolf motivated for not wanting to push a partner/misyeet but it's just ya know that last sentence rephrased.

This is some opportunistic bullshit and you know it

So outside of the ‘vacuum’ it’s a good post? Or is there no correlation.

........................................................reasonable

[pyxxy]

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

This reads logical except what if there were mafia absent at EOD or mafia that were caught not where they wanted to be by last min wagon shifts? What happens when you take that into account?

Also, idk if in a wolf Porscha/town Pyxxy world wolves really push to yeet Pyxxy over Porscha. Depends. Like was Porscha going down anyway eventually? Did the wolves express townreads on Pyxxy and scumreads on Porscha such that it was hard to shift their votes there in a way that wouldn't be awkward?

Basically, I appreciate your line of thinking and I'd like it to be true but I'm skeptical of it's accuracy re: there is def exactly one wolf in Pyxxy/Scotty.

.......idr.......who.......tr me.......D1..............but..............that's.......an..............interesting.......point.......in that..............you're.......clearly.......thinking.......

[pyxxy]

.......if not.......falcon..............would vote..............scotty/wilgy?.......unsure.......sorry tutuu.......I'll.......vote.......after.......some more.......sleep..............

[pyxxy]

.......if not.......falcon..............would vote..............scotty/wilgy?.......unsure.......sorry tutuu.......I'll.......vote.......after.......some more.......sleep..............

.......eh.......okay.......tutuu..............because.......you asked.......

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

@pyxxy can you place a vote asap. i want to see what you do

@Jackofhearts2005 you too. there's no hammer

.......sorry..............had..............to sleep.......

.......I think.......I'm stuck..............re-reading..............is..............scotty/falcon..............a.......difference check?.......wdyt?.......

You/Scotty is a difference check.

It’s not hard to read this as tmi Falcon is town to be used to yeet town Scotty later.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nope, it’s just too early and I haven’t had my coffeetell yet.