Art UPickish D3

[Lemonfairy]

oops formatting got messed up

[Dennis]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

[Lemonfairy]

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

[potentialsheltervet]

► Show Spoiler

post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:

Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:

Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world

this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

idk this was kind of weird

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting

not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand

That’s…


Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me

this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

No, I want Seanzie around too

For personal reasons

hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature

oh shoot

I don’t like this

tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

no idea what is happening atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie could be a hit

Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

Scotty's trying to get people off? Happy June

wdym
can you be less crytic?

It was your wording lol, you mentioned Scotty shifting his focus to getting people off. I'm just making a joke.

[Lemonfairy]

► Show Spoiler

post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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[REDACTED]
English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:

Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world

this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

idk this was kind of weird

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting

not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand

That’s…


Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me

this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

No, I want Seanzie around too

For personal reasons

hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature

oh shoot

I don’t like this

tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

no idea what is happening atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie could be a hit

Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

Scotty's trying to get people off? Happy June

wdym
can you be less crytic?

It was your wording lol, you mentioned Scotty shifting his focus to getting people off. I'm just making a joke.

oh
ohhh

omg ignore me :x

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

Hmm. I will consider it.

[Lemonfairy]

as you can see, I am just a silly lemon and definitely not evil or nefarious

[Dubz]

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

@Dubz just read this part

Oh hmm okay, I didn't remember that post. My snap impression is that the second part does feel a bit pre-emptively defensive but otherwise Scotty has felt okay to me so I need to think on it.

Remind me who else you are eyeing right now?

[Lemonfairy]

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

@Dubz just read this part

Oh hmm okay, I didn't remember that post. My snap impression is that the second part does feel a bit pre-emptively defensive but otherwise Scotty has felt okay to me so I need to think on it.

Remind me who else you are eyeing right now?

Scotty/Seanize/Thunal/you

I don't have confidence that all are scum
and I don't think I have as strong reasons for Seanzie/Thunal/you

[Lemonfairy]

blindspots/people I haven't really looked at/paid attention to are falcon, genny, pyxxy

maybe PSV

[Dennis]

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

@Dubz just read this part

Oh hmm okay, I didn't remember that post. My snap impression is that the second part does feel a bit pre-emptively defensive but otherwise Scotty has felt okay to me so I need to think on it.

Remind me who else you are eyeing right now?

Scotty/Seanize/Thunal/you

I don't have confidence that all are scum
and I don't think I have as strong reasons for Seanzie/Thunal/you

What is your reasoning for dubz (which I realize you just said is bad but)

[Lemonfairy]

PSV is probably fine?
I haven't gotten any pings there

[Lemonfairy]

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

@Dubz just read this part

Oh hmm okay, I didn't remember that post. My snap impression is that the second part does feel a bit pre-emptively defensive but otherwise Scotty has felt okay to me so I need to think on it.

Remind me who else you are eyeing right now?

Scotty/Seanize/Thunal/you

I don't have confidence that all are scum
and I don't think I have as strong reasons for Seanzie/Thunal/you

What is your reasoning for dubz (which I realize you just said is bad but)

first thing that caught my attention was the "first" post
which was my first post as scum in my last game (not a good reason but it caught my interest)

following that, I just kind of skimmed their ISO and didn't see many takes/reads + (iirc) they were also the first to vote Quin, who was the leading wagon at the time

[Lemonfairy]

and last thing was no one really talked about them

imo they would fit the criteria for your standard UTR slot in a scumteam

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Hi!

Historically I have been caught most often by mechanics - I tend to be difficult to find on my own. I can get some sus by way of my teammates flipping but at least from the games I recall, I was mechanically outted before it really came down to that. Most recently I have been caught just by existing because someone on SDN (Zenge, he played the crossover game) has a reading card on me lol

ah dang I missed that you were scum in that game

the perils of being vigged :/ (referring to myself in that game)

[Lemonfairy]

and I realize that's not much to scumread them for individually but it's there

[pyxxy]

Oops I jumped off my buddy Dennis again, @Quin

oh? you were tight about this?

I don’t know what tight means in this context.

I mentioned this because Quin seems to have this tinfoil that I’m buddying with Dennis, since I’ve voted for him about 3 times and not left my vote on him

I guess?

"Mostly used in the New York area, usually meaning extremely mad or irritated."

I like spicy scotty.

[pyxxy]

I'm so towny
are y'all seeing this?

I've just realized that I have cute aggression towards you

[Lemonfairy]

also
this isn't game-related but

pyxxy's first time meeting dubz:

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

pyxxy's first time meeting lemon:

Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kil the fairy and awwake from the dream
Kill the fairy nd awake fromm the Ddream
Kill the Fairy and awakee from tthe dream
Kill the faiiry and awake from teh dream
kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kll the fairy anNd avvake from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kiill the fairy nd awak from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dddream
Killl the fairy anD Awake from the Dream
Kill thE fairy aand awake fro the dream
Kill the firy and awke from the dream
Kill the fairry and awake from thHe dream
KiLl the fairy andd aAwake from the dreEam

[Kate]

I'm so towny
are y'all seeing this?

Icu

[Lemonfairy]

I'm so towny
are y'all seeing this?

I've just realized that I have cute aggression towards you

QAQ

nice crosspost

[Dubz]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Hi!

Historically I have been caught most often by mechanics - I tend to be difficult to find on my own. I can get some sus by way of my teammates flipping but at least from the games I recall, I was mechanically outted before it really came down to that. Most recently I have been caught just by existing because someone on SDN (Zenge, he played the crossover game) has a reading card on me lol

ah dang I missed that you were scum in that game

the perils of being vigged :/ (referring to myself in that game)

Haha no I helped host the crossover game, I was just saying some people here might remember him from that game

The one where he got me yeeted day 1 (first time that's ever happened to me as a wolf, wowee) was our champs practice game on SDN

[potentialsheltervet]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Hi!

Historically I have been caught most often by mechanics - I tend to be difficult to find on my own. I can get some sus by way of my teammates flipping but at least from the games I recall, I was mechanically outted before it really came down to that. Most recently I have been caught just by existing because someone on SDN (Zenge, he played the crossover game) has a reading card on me lol

ah dang I missed that you were scum in that game

the perils of being vigged :/ (referring to myself in that game)

Dubz didn't play the crossover game, she modded it, lmao

[Dubz]

also
this isn't game-related but

pyxxy's first time meeting dubz:

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

pyxxy's first time meeting lemon:

Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kil the fairy and awwake from the dream
Kill the fairy nd awake fromm the Ddream
Kill the Fairy and awakee from tthe dream
Kill the faiiry and awake from teh dream
kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kll the fairy anNd avvake from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kiill the fairy nd awak from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dddream
Killl the fairy anD Awake from the Dream
Kill thE fairy aand awake fro the dream
Kill the firy and awke from the dream
Kill the fairry and awake from thHe dream
KiLl the fairy andd aAwake from the dreEam

[pyxxy]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

this is such a beautiful misunderstanding of my scum game reasonably extrapolated from my scum play in hot dog fingers mafia that I am wincing as I write this post to tell you that you are wrong about all of this because I bet that I could float +0.5 scum victories of just not commenting on this and then referencing it later

alas

[pyxxy]

in other news that we covered yesterday

dennis is town

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

this is such a beautiful misunderstanding of my scum game reasonably extrapolated from my scum play in hot dog fingers mafia that I am wincing as I write this post to tell you that you are wrong about all of this because I bet that I could float +0.5 scum victories of just not commenting on this and then referencing it later

alas

Hot dog fingers mafia? Like EEAAO?

[pyxxy]

also
this isn't game-related but

pyxxy's first time meeting dubz:

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

pyxxy's first time meeting lemon:

Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kil the fairy and awwake from the dream
Kill the fairy nd awake fromm the Ddream
Kill the Fairy and awakee from tthe dream
Kill the faiiry and awake from teh dream
kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kll the fairy anNd avvake from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kiill the fairy nd awak from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dddream
Killl the fairy anD Awake from the Dream
Kill thE fairy aand awake fro the dream
Kill the firy and awke from the dream
Kill the fairry and awake from thHe dream
KiLl the fairy andd aAwake from the dreEam

ur making me blush

[Dubz]

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

@Dubz just read this part

Oh hmm okay, I didn't remember that post. My snap impression is that the second part does feel a bit pre-emptively defensive but otherwise Scotty has felt okay to me so I need to think on it.

Remind me who else you are eyeing right now?

Scotty/Seanize/Thunal/you

I don't have confidence that all are scum
and I don't think I have as strong reasons for Seanzie/Thunal/you

What is your reasoning for dubz (which I realize you just said is bad but)

first thing that caught my attention was the "first" post
which was my first post as scum in my last game (not a good reason but it caught my interest)

following that, I just kind of skimmed their ISO and didn't see many takes/reads + (iirc) they were also the first to vote Quin, who was the leading wagon at the time

I'm a "FIRST" glutton regardless of alignment

Actually I voted Quin after Kate did!
Still might go back there Feeling better about you now that I can see your thought process

[pyxxy]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

this is such a beautiful misunderstanding of my scum game reasonably extrapolated from my scum play in hot dog fingers mafia that I am wincing as I write this post to tell you that you are wrong about all of this because I bet that I could float +0.5 scum victories of just not commenting on this and then referencing it later

alas

Hot dog fingers mafia? Like EEAAO?

yeppers

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2508

tldr: I lolcatted for 3 days while my scummate Zenon begged people to kill me

[Dubz]

Actually yes, let's let this ruminate

[VOTE: quin ] aubergine

[pyxxy]

sure I'll help with that

I think I probably should not be trusted to read lemon anyway

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Kate]

Lemon, despite hijacking the thread, looks town to me. Are yall sure on that vote?

Lemon, any other thoughts beyond scotty?

[Quin]

thread flow vs 5 vote wagon on lemonfairy with no counter tells me lemonfairy is town (yall are way too comfortable with it)

at least 2 scum voting for them. who are they?

[Quin]

oh my phone hadnt refreshed

I stand by what I said though.

[Dubz]

I think I probably should not be trusted to read lemon anyway

Why's that?

[Kate]

thread flow vs 5 vote wagon on lemonfairy with no counter tells me lemonfairy is town (yall are way too comfortable with it)

at least 2 scum voting for them. who are they?

Someone trying to save...genny? Perhaps?

[Dubz]

thread flow vs 5 vote wagon on lemonfairy with no counter tells me lemonfairy is town (yall are way too comfortable with it)

[potentialsheltervet]

thread flow vs 5 vote wagon on lemonfairy with no counter tells me lemonfairy is town (yall are way too comfortable with it)

at least 2 scum voting for them. who are they?

Someone trying to save...genny? Perhaps?

I'm pretty sure the lemonfairy wagon was in effect before genny's, no?

[Dennis]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

This feels more like town bored pyxxy than mafia pyxxy

I can't really back this claim up, but I think mafia pyxxy tends to do like nothing and be lazy whereas I feel like he's more trying but just can't force himself to care

this is such a beautiful misunderstanding of my scum game reasonably extrapolated from my scum play in hot dog fingers mafia that I am wincing as I write this post to tell you that you are wrong about all of this because I bet that I could float +0.5 scum victories of just not commenting on this and then referencing it later

alas

well i mean there was that other game

The champion practice one. If I recall correctly you hardly did anything for the first 2 or 3 days. I dunno. Maybe it's an early game thing. Maybe I'm crazy. maybe both *brain explosion gif*

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmm. Hmm.
What happened to Thunal?

[Dennis]

in other news that we covered yesterday

dennis is town

What channel is this cause I don't remember that

[Quin]

thread flow vs 5 vote wagon on lemonfairy with no counter tells me lemonfairy is town (yall are way too comfortable with it)

at least 2 scum voting for them. who are they?

Someone trying to save...genny? Perhaps?

i dont think genny has to be scum for the 5 lemon voters to be worth scrutiny. town has been complacent on the lemon wagon, scum may as well ride that wave if lemon is town.

[Quin]

i dont know who the other 2 were from my phone at work but more than likely my vote goes to one of the 5.

[Quin]

rn it goes tp[VOTE: ] aubergine seanzie actually

[Scotty]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.

Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?

[Scotty]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.

Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?

To be clear, I don’t have a reason to townread genny, but I truly have no confidence with calling them wolf

[Kate]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.

Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?

The same thing we'd learn from any other mislynch. Who opposed it? However, on the other hand, if she's bad we learn a lot.

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug

Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:

Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world

this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

idk this was kind of weird

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting

not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand

That’s…


Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me

this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

No, I want Seanzie around too

For personal reasons

hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature

oh shoot

I don’t like this

tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

no idea what is happening atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie could be a hit

Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

Holy damn! I may start thinking I’m bad after this.

You put a lot of thought into thought and while it’s utterly wrong, your effort is swaying me.

Does your read of Seanzie change if you knew I was town? Like would you think there is a level of pocketing going on?

[Scotty]

I'm a bit worried I'm conf-biasing a little so a second (or more) pair of eyes would help

Yo, I got you!

Yeah, you’re wrong mate!

Take care!