Morning! Congrats for pushing the town cop Mac, and in general showing no real solve itg and receiving town reads for that.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm
I got a note last night that said "It will be wise to not talk much today." I'm worried if I reach an unknown post or word count I'll die so I'll work behind the scenes. I think those were t/t wagons and I think Mac is pushing people who are easy instead of caring if it's right.
[VOTE:
Macdougall] aubergine
Totally agree with the vote.
Don't let his activity let him off the hook, his reasons to push people are extremely wolfy
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:07 pm
Zenon
Jack
Tutuu
Towncore
Let's do towncore things
Why for anyone in there?
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:12 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:05 pm
Blind faith in myself in all scenarios is the way.
ZENON IS PRIDE
how is she not pride
She keeps repeating this
And epi confirmed existence of forced gimmick/roleplay/post restriction related to sins
How you reach this conclusion?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:13 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:12 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:05 pm
Blind faith in myself in all scenarios is the way.
ZENON IS PRIDE
how is she not pride
She keeps repeating this
And epi confirmed existence of forced gimmick/roleplay/post restriction related to sins
that's pretty interesting...
if epi had to talk about ALL of them doesn't that just make him >rand John Doe.
And that would be what Epi with his life and game experience is doing?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:04 pm
ngl how Doom has been treating me all game I am probably never going to come around to them being town
if we are looking for someone who found Doom's presence problematic try this on
DOOM's pushes weren't strong enough to become problematic for a player like Rondo.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:18 pm
I also found Rondo generally unusual and wolfy d1 fwiw.
Tell me who plays like usual in this game. These level zero reasons make little sense to me and allow you to push everyone. How is this scumhunting?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm
Earlier, I was made to post in ways that alluded to the seven deadly sins.
If you will notice, my first post was lust, my second (to S~V~S) was envy, etc.
Hope I didn't offend anyone. I am free to post normally.
My probable post limit is so hard since I have so many things to say.
To Epi: I'm just laughing at this because I did get a little frustrated about the draft posts and I can't believe I never thought of it. No hard feelings, I think it's funny now.
To explain my Mac argument, I think Mac did scumread Porscha. I also think there's a pattern of Mac not giving his suspects breathing room, first with Michelle and then with Porscha. I think the degree of confidence in the Porscha push was misplaced since both me and him know that Porscha has taken awhile to show herself as town sometimes. I get the sense that he was trying to force his reads to happen soon to try to be the town hero, rather than letting his reads happen naturally and actually being a hero. Do I think this necessarily makes him a scum? No, but I think it increases the chances.
Also my Falcon townread that I felt so proud of might not be as good as I thought it was. That same towntell of being paranoid about semi-unrelated things just failed me when I used it on Wiml in his champs game that prematurely ended. It's not out of the question to think Falcon, as a 3p/wolf, happened to notice Tutuu's picture didn't match her description and tried to make a read off it. I still townlean Falcon for his general approach and that he appears unconcerned with how he's perceived.
About the Doom kill, it is weird but I think a weird kill is more likely than redirection. There was probably 1 mafia in the game n1 and ime when 1 mafia is in charge wtf kills are more common. As far as who would do it, if I had to guess it would be Matahari. Doom mainly suspected her voters and Porscha voters but I think people who are present would know that Doom doesn't have any thread pull. Matahari might go "oh, Doom called me out, she could be a threat". I'm looking at her ISO rn and she seems too agreeable, specifically her backing off Doom when Zenon said she was town which is also another point of paranoia for me. From Matahari's limited POV, Doom both suspected her and was extremely in her town meta and so would make sense as an NK.
I think I'd rather go here.
[VOTE:
Matahari ] aubergine
I agree with this push.
Noted how Mac ignored it
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:33 pm
how did I not give Michelle breathing room?
how did I not give Porscha breathing room?
what are you even talking about?
I have scumread
I explain it
With Michelle I did nothing at all that looked like not giving her breathing room
With Porscha I made a case and then left the thread entirely
9 people followed it
What is it that I should have done instead if I have a reason for suspecting someone?
I'll tell you how your push on me went.
Naked vote
Put me lowest in reads list
No real reason
High confidence all time
Backtracking when the wagon vanished
It's not like you didn't give me space to breath, no, but you didn't care about my alignament at all.
About Porscha, yes, your push was exactly suffocating her. Shrugging at people sheeping you is nagl
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:34 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:16 pm
Rondo is the other slot who would have a tangible reason to kill Doom based on day 1.
Yeah i had the same thought and hes scum regardless imo
Wait i forgot im supposed to not post a lot. Ok ill post .. no more than 50 times today
Unless im poe - then i can post a lot and maybe that kills me if u guys want me dead i still dunno if im poe or towncore or what lmao
You can be my guinea pig lol. You seem not dead so I'll say I can post at least as many times as you.
As long as she is still alive, is safe to assume you can post as much.
Also, you're my sanity pillar, please share your thoughts
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:35 pm
The notion I'm suspicious because I scumread Porscha and Michelle and gave them no breathing room is so bizarre to me.
Firstly, whether I did or didn't who gives a crap. If I think I have a good argument to suspect someone it's literally my responsibility as a villager to vocalise it.
Secondly, it's completely bullshit lol.
You had zero arguments to suspect me.
Also the 'Porscha plays like wolf Porscha' reason for the push was extremely bad and out of logic because it was PR Porscha playing and you could think at it and clear the Poe elsewhere.
Like now, when you talk about killing for level zero arguments, you let aside a lot of slots and choose Rondo because of the Wifom-y idea that Doom was dangerous for Rondo.
Really?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:36 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:31 pm
Doom kill is 100% a kill I'd make as wolf.
If I was a solo mafia and had one single kill to make n1 I kill Kate.
If I were a wolf I would... -.-
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:39 pm
what's the deal with post cap tutuu?
I shouldnt say this coz my posts my limited but ill say that me and thunal-sama were both hit by the same post restriction as we claimed in our first posts at sod ok i hit submit now
Do you think mafia would post restrict you when your D1 was mainly all caps and disrupting the thread flow?
I take the action to restrict you as the towniest itg
I still love you tutuu, but you make my radar go wild in this game and I think you are a sin and should be chopped.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:45 pm
I'm just gonna find wolfy players and basically wolfy solves and try to kill as many of those as I can whole trying to avoid killing any more villagers lol
You failed. You have the wolfiest solve/ thinking process
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:33 pm
how did I not give Michelle breathing room?
how did I not give Porscha breathing room?
what are you even talking about?
I have scumread
I explain it
With Michelle I did nothing at all that looked like not giving her breathing room
With Porscha I made a case and then left the thread entirely
9 people followed it
What is it that I should have done instead if I have a reason for suspecting someone?
With Porscha it was about you trying to convince everyone to get on her and get her eliminated with things like saying she's naked mafia and her not having posts outside her wolf range when she is sometimes a slow starter. I know I tried a similar push on Porscha a couple games ago (solar system) as a wolf so I know that she can be easily pushable for "not being obvious town". Breathing room might not be the right word for it but it was what I thought of. As far as Michelle, it was with how few posts she had for you to make a fairly confident wolf read on her despite her saying she was busy irl at the time.
My fear is that you called both of them not town with high confidence and did a lot to convince others when both Michelle and Porscha are players that sometimes take awhile to get started. I'm cooling on you somewhat after rereading your post about probability since there's definitely a town Mac explanation for both pushes as well and they were likely genuine regardless of alignment. My suspicion is that you'd be more hasty with the pushes as non-town.
Scum Mac will always mimic town Mac to an extent and power wolfing from there.
I don't trust Mac this game.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:06 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:45 pm
I'm just gonna find wolfy players and basically wolfy solves and try to kill as many of those as I can whole trying to avoid killing any more villagers lol
Because wolfs aren't the only ones who play wolfy. Town does too. A lot. Arguably moreso.
And I like analyzing more than base 0 info. Other wise just like hammer and go home.
There is a time for trying to overthink things and it's not here yet... whoever is around in the mid to late game can worry about that shit... our job is to just make sure that by then the game isn't a complete mess and removing all the level 0 and level 1 shit while you can is important to that.
I'm not saying Porscha was that mind you. But the likes of solving Matahari and avoiding making wifom overthinking defenses of wolfy slots like Rondo are.
Porscha wasn't, I am not, and you didn't care to find out our alignament at all.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:14 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:33 pm
how did I not give Michelle breathing room?
how did I not give Porscha breathing room?
what are you even talking about?
I have scumread
I explain it
With Michelle I did nothing at all that looked like not giving her breathing room
With Porscha I made a case and then left the thread entirely
9 people followed it
What is it that I should have done instead if I have a reason for suspecting someone?
With Porscha it was about you trying to convince everyone to get on her and get her eliminated with things like saying she's naked mafia and her not having posts outside her wolf range when she is sometimes a slow starter. I know I tried a similar push on Porscha a couple games ago (solar system) as a wolf so I know that she can be easily pushable for "not being obvious town". Breathing room might not be the right word for it but it was what I thought of. As far as Michelle, it was with how few posts she had for you to make a fairly confident wolf read on her despite her saying she was busy irl at the time.
My fear is that you called both of them not town with high confidence and did a lot to convince others when both Michelle and Porscha are players that sometimes take awhile to get started. I'm cooling on you somewhat after rereading your post about probability since there's definitely a town Mac explanation for both pushes as well and they were likely genuine regardless of alignment. My suspicion is that you'd be more hasty with the pushes as non-town.
Here's the explanation.
Michelle felt wolfy so I pressured her and then she got all reeeeally Mac omgussed me and I stopped cuz that's generally how town Michelle reacts..
I confbiased Porscha as mafia cuz I recently had solved her as town and she wasn't yet in her town meta. I pushed her and 9 ppl sheeped me. She waited until <60 minutes from eod and after I left the thread to present herself as having a pulse so she died.
Notiing of the sort. You never pressured me. Not a single post adressed at me was there to make you figure where my head is.
Besides my posts weren't wolfy, and you didn't change your reads when I omgussed you, you changed when my wagon vanished.
So your post here is a lie.
Porscha waited to show herself towny? What?
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:41 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:34 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:25 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:15 am
Enjoy being alive day 5 with all the level 1 wolfy slots in every game then.
I actually quite enjoy it when I win and the wolfy towns aren't dead so
this has never happened has it zenon
Actually quite often recently
And if I wasn't a little dumb bitch town Porscha would still be here
alright give me the list of names of people I'm not allowed to chop cuz you think they're possible miselims
Zenon
Kate
Macdougall
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
jackofhearts2005
Michelle
Dubz
Thunal33
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
This
Why Mac? Why Dubz? Why Jack?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:26 am
Recruitment game.
Zenon and tutuu following MacDougall on Rondo.
You all do what you want with that.
I think Zenon is town and tutuu a sin
What's your read for them?