Se7en Mafia [GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN]

[Kate]

@Kate what was the breaking point that made you change your vote from Tutuu to Porscha?
Just curious.

It was when she (held me at gunpoint and) specifically spoke about a time I felt like shit about myself and she made me feel a whole lot better. I don't *think* she would have gone there if she was bullshitting me.

thanks friend I appreciate the insight into Tutuu.

Look at you high posting!

[Roxy]

how's that catch up coming Kate?

Well ots 315 and this is where I am. Unlike my spawn I do read the long posts.

you are getting there!

I did not respond to you about Mata bc I figured you would see my thoughts during your catch up.

My thoughts are on your spawn child - Dennis. You really are not questioning him like you might others. You did tell him to read but what do you make of him *this* day. I find myself stuck on him the same way you may be stuck on Wigly tho from his day one and my reads from D 1 we agree about him tbh.

[Roxy]

@Kate what was the breaking point that made you change your vote from Tutuu to Porscha?
Just curious.

It was when she (held me at gunpoint and) specifically spoke about a time I felt like shit about myself and she made me feel a whole lot better. I don't *think* she would have gone there if she was bullshitting me.

thanks friend I appreciate the insight into Tutuu.

Look at you high posting!

bite your fucking tongue whore! lmao! I still have half of what you do lemme be please <3

[Kate]

how's that catch up coming Kate?

Well ots 315 and this is where I am. Unlike my spawn I do read the long posts.

you are getting there!

I did not respond to you about Mata bc I figured you would see my thoughts during your catch up.

My thoughts are on your spawn child - Dennis. You really are not questioning him like you might others. You did tell him to read but what do you make of him *this* day. I find myself stuck on him the same way you may be stuck on Wigly tho from his day one and my reads from D 1 we agree about him tbh.

Low posting tentative Dennis is bad.

Jolly joker Dennis is good.

He vacilating. His posts sound like him, as if youre talking to him which is good but they are less frequent than usual. He deserves an eye at the very least.

@dennis come forth to be judged.

[Thunal33]

@falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Why would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?

Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz

Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook

PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac

[Kate]

@Kate what was the breaking point that made you change your vote from Tutuu to Porscha?
Just curious.

It was when she (held me at gunpoint and) specifically spoke about a time I felt like shit about myself and she made me feel a whole lot better. I don't *think* she would have gone there if she was bullshitting me.

thanks friend I appreciate the insight into Tutuu.

Look at you high posting!

bite your fucking tongue whore! lmao! I still have half of what you do lemme be please <3

[Kate]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergineI'm gonna vote now and see if he will come talk. Rainbow post to come sometime today From my notes.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It's not that you were wrong it's that you were wrong about porscha specifically while zenon and I told you that you were wrong lol

Maybe. Zenon did end up voting for Porscha as well so....

Yeah we all make mistakes sometimes

Huh. You town read me than?

Yeah I still tr you. I expect you to talk yourself out of and/or be talked out of an accurate read in a way I dont usually see from mac, at least on this sort of read.

This is simultaneously true and harmful

I didn't mean it to be I'm sorry

It's fine I know my weaknesses <3

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

And if I wasn't a little dumb bitch town Porscha would still be here

alright give me the list of names of people I'm not allowed to chop cuz you think they're possible miselims

This

Why on wilgy?

Ribbity vibbity vibes bb

Updating this though

Zenon
Kate
Tutuu
falcon45ca
Michelle
Dubz
Thunal33
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Mac probs but less confident


Wilgz and Jack are gone Tutuu is on it

Ah! Finally! Why is he off. Is it something that can be articulated?

He's non existent mainly lol

[Roxy]

kk granddaughter time I may or may not be caught up, post or read.

[Roxy]

@Kate thanks for your responses.

One more - how do you feel about Mata?
I feel towny from her.

[Dennis]

why are people (read: Tutuu) talking about roleplaying your actual fucking role? like that's even legal itg

I think this is a bad idea. There are too many baddies or "potential" baddies who would fake their role then know exactly who to kill. The only thing we have over them right now is that they don't know who is who. I don't want to give that up.

What are you talking about when you say "this"

[Dennis]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine oh so NOW rondos a wolf ok

Why? Or is that a question?

I was on him d1, but the day was running out of time and no one was joining so I switched off

Then when I saw he was a wagon I was being all snotty

[Dennis]

how's that catch up coming Kate?

Well ots 315 and this is where I am. Unlike my spawn I do read the long posts.

meh meh MEh meeH meh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Da fuq

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm only 360 posting. This is a disgrace!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Maybe. Zenon did end up voting for Porscha as well so....

Yeah we all make mistakes sometimes

Huh. You town read me than?

Yeah I still tr you. I expect you to talk yourself out of and/or be talked out of an accurate read in a way I dont usually see from mac, at least on this sort of read.

This is simultaneously true and harmful

I didn't mean it to be I'm sorry

It's fine I know my weaknesses <3

Ok good I'm glad you're not hurt <3

I didn't mean it to be insulting ftr, the implication/unspoken part is that you often have good reads.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yeah we all make mistakes sometimes

Huh. You town read me than?

Yeah I still tr you. I expect you to talk yourself out of and/or be talked out of an accurate read in a way I dont usually see from mac, at least on this sort of read.

This is simultaneously true and harmful

I didn't mean it to be I'm sorry

It's fine I know my weaknesses <3

Ok good I'm glad you're not hurt <3

I didn't mean it to be insulting ftr, the implication/unspoken part is that you often have good reads.

Until I fucking let self doubt ruin me. Yeah. I know you meant it positively.

I say Harmful a lot jokingly in this case it was basically like hit me right in the heart calling out my exact weakness.

[Kate]

@Kate thanks for your responses.

One more - how do you feel about Mata?
I feel towny from her.

Same. I think I posted on her a ways back.

[tutuu]

@Kate what was the breaking point that made you change your vote from Tutuu to Porscha?
Just curious.

It was when she (held me at gunpoint and) specifically spoke about a time I felt like shit about myself and she made me feel a whole lot better. I don't *think* she would have gone there if she was bullshitting me.

thanks friend I appreciate the insight into Tutuu.

Look at you high posting!

bite your fucking tongue whore! lmao! I still have half of what you do lemme be please <3

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Huh. You town read me than?

Yeah I still tr you. I expect you to talk yourself out of and/or be talked out of an accurate read in a way I dont usually see from mac, at least on this sort of read.

This is simultaneously true and harmful

I didn't mean it to be I'm sorry

It's fine I know my weaknesses <3

Ok good I'm glad you're not hurt <3

I didn't mean it to be insulting ftr, the implication/unspoken part is that you often have good reads.

Until I fucking let self doubt ruin me. Yeah. I know you meant it positively.

I say Harmful a lot jokingly in this case it was basically like hit me right in the heart calling out my exact weakness.

The take away as always is never change reads #tunnelforlife #choochoomotherfucker

[Matahari]

@falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Why would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?

Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz

Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook

PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac

Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.
How does omgus relate to being killed off?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yeah I still tr you. I expect you to talk yourself out of and/or be talked out of an accurate read in a way I dont usually see from mac, at least on this sort of read.

This is simultaneously true and harmful

I didn't mean it to be I'm sorry

It's fine I know my weaknesses <3

Ok good I'm glad you're not hurt <3

I didn't mean it to be insulting ftr, the implication/unspoken part is that you often have good reads.

Until I fucking let self doubt ruin me. Yeah. I know you meant it positively.

I say Harmful a lot jokingly in this case it was basically like hit me right in the heart calling out my exact weakness.

The take away as always is never change reads #tunnelforlife #choochoomotherfucker

Oh well in that case we need to murder Tutuu but they like kinda cute so I don't wanna

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That's OK we can tunnel my scum reads and see if tutuu gets nked in the mean time!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Why would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?

Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz

Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook

PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac

Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.
How does omgus relate to being killed off?

I just wanna say that what I did d1 is like rarely wolfy play

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

That's OK we can tunnel my scum reads and see if tutuu gets nked in the mean time!

Works for me

[tutuu]

Oh well in that case we need to murder Tutuu but they like kinda cute so I don't wanna

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh well in that case we need to murder Tutuu but they like kinda cute so I don't wanna

[tutuu]

That's OK we can tunnel my scum reads and see if tutuu gets nked in the mean time!

if mac flips scum im never getting nked coz i defended him. i might get chopped. rip me

if he flips town there's still hope i eat it

also i might just be poisoned i dunno (some dude sent me a pic of my avatar and told me im gonna die last night as i claimed at my sod post for those who didnt read / forgot and were gonna ask me why so i preemmptively answered ur question ur welcome)

[tutuu]

@Mac's Mom ur getting chopped lol

[tutuu]

@Mac's Mom ur getting chopped lol

@MacDougall

[tutuu]

im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

[Thunal33]

Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.
How does omgus relate to being killed off?

Yeah it's the same meaning. I was prodding you because you were concerned about your push sounding like OMGUS and I thought that meant you were concerned about looking suspicious for OMGUSing. But it looks like you mean that you wanted the thread to know your push was for other reasons than OMGUS, which is different and imo townier.

[S~V~S]

You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It's boring trying to be a tease when you get ignored.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

No. But I do think it's extremely beneficial to town wincon to have a town Mac .

[Seanzie]

It's not that you were wrong it's that you were wrong about porscha specifically while zenon and I told you that you were wrong lol

I bare much blame myself Nook

Idc you're still town

Wanna mason?

Heck yeah let's kill mac and/or Sean

Woo!

[Seanzie]

Epi civ, Thunal sin, Mac virtue, tutuu massive sinner, DOOM virtue, zenon leaning sin, Kate the one scum, Dubz leaning sin, Scotty leaning host

ttyl

Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy

wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin

Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.

I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.

I've been feeling the same way about this game. Even though there are 8 non-town I've had a hard time finding scumreads. Even Mac is a somewhat low confidence scumread for me.

@Seanzie what's your read on me? I thought you'd have one by this point.

If I would have read D1, I might have one. I didn't read D1 and I don't think you've posted more than twice today.

[Thunal33]

im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

Can you give me the rundown of why you townread Mac? I'm getting a little concerned my Mac read is like my experience with Dyslexicon. With Dizzy if I think I caught him early game, he's town. The level 1 is that Mac isn't town and I still stand by that he was forcing his d1 reads to happen quickly instead of letting them happen naturally. However I have doubts about Mac's play being level 1. If Mac is scum he wouldn't be playing to his usual level of play and he'd be failing at avoiding suspicion.

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

The only persuading I did was trying to persuade Zenon to not vote for her townread.

[MacDougall]

Porscha is a wolf I am sorry to tell you. Show me a single post she has made that is out of her wolf range. One.

Again my read relies on something I can't very well articulate but I believe it to be true.

Tell me why Porscha can't play this way as town. I've seen it surely you have too.

She has not hit a single Porscha town note as yet.

If she is town I would have at least the semblance of a town read.

I have read her entire ISO multiple times. There is nothing resembling town Porscha in any of the posts.

You are hard shielding her on the basis that we are witnessing the rare Porscha slank give zero fucks town game.

"Why can't Porscha play this way as town".

It's exactly the same answer as the last question you asked me. It's day 1 of a giant role madness game and it is not on me to make reads like that. I am seeing what I believe is obvious mafia Porscha. Yes, sure, there is a chance it's town Porscha. There is a chance. Always a chance. It's day 1 of a giant role madness game and Porscha is the player who is the furthest off their town map. If that happens to result in me killing a town, it wouldn't be the first time. I'm going to be wrong sometimes.

If you think Porscha is town, I have asked you several times now to actually demonstrate it.

I have literally watched Porscha die for this play a half dozen times. You insist its always wolfy. It's not. And Porscha was being towny early on.

The bolded is very incorrect. I rarely ever scumread town Porscha and when I do she flies into the thread like a Powerpuff girl and tries to murder me which outs her as town to me every time.

Fine fuck it

Vote Porscha

If this is town I'm going to be physically ill

I do not require you to agree with me, or to vote Porscha. Vote your mafia reads. I do not want you to blindly sheep me on something you do not believe.

I am not even attempting to persuade you that Porscha is mafia.

Let me get this right.

You refused to accept I was right on Porscha and asked me to elaborate.
So I attempted to.
You think my argument is bad and think she's town.
You vote her.

It makes no sense. Unvote her and prosecute your real reads. I do not want to strongarm you. I didn't try to get you to vote with me, I didn't even engage this dialogue.

[MacDougall]

I think I am gonna largely just be kind to myself and chalk it up to a bad phase. If yall wanna push me off of it that's your prerog. I still stand by all my solving.

You standby your analysis or you standby your claim porscha was acting wolfy?

I stand by everything I said on day 1.

[MacDougall]

It's not that you were wrong it's that you were wrong about porscha specifically while zenon and I told you that you were wrong lol

I bare much blame myself Nook

Idc you're still town

Wanna mason?

Heck yeah let's kill mac and/or Sean

I can tell you based on the gamestate that omgus and blaming people for miselims is a big thing here so fair warning you're going to look worst off a mac miselim that's occurring because largely Michelle is omgussing me and I'm being blamed for a Porscha miselim.

Hey town this is me pre-emptively insisting on this btw. Nanook for Day 3 when you flip me k?

[MacDougall]

Vote: Maccas

Great. So much for towncoring.

[MacDougall]

It's not that you were wrong it's that you were wrong about porscha specifically while zenon and I told you that you were wrong lol

I bare much blame myself Nook

Idc you're still town

Wanna mason?

Heck yeah let's kill mac and/or Sean

Okay which one?

I'm on mac rn but I'm not picky

Pretty sure Sean is town so you're batting 000.

[S~V~S]

1 st point. This game is wacky. I think it's entirely possible that the game was set up with information but without communication. The wolves strength against the town is typically knowledge to contend against the towns numbers. If the baddies have no knowledge, they have no advantage.

Re your first point, it's a fair one. I'm surprised I didn't think of it myself.

This game is very reminiscent of Goldens BSG game, started with a solo baddie with no info who had to find teammates. This was after you'd stopped playing for a time. In that game, that was me. Not a role I'd like again, my condolences to Doe.

The recruitable baddies didn't even know they were bad, iirc. That was a great joy when one of them turned out to be Glorfindel who hated being bad so much that he refused to be recruited.

In any case, I lost that game, and I'm still salty over it. There was no chance I could win that one with out any info at all. Although I did build a lasting friendship with G Man, so that was a win.

So yeah, an informed minority is the basis of Mafia. I can't imagine Scotty would leave that element out of his set up, so maybe it was a slip on Wilgys part. Hard to say, Wilgy is one of those people who blooms late in the game. That little lashout I saw him do is something i've only seen when he was town, but I haven't seen all of his games.

You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

No. But I do think it's extremely beneficial to town wincon to have a town Mac .

While I also value your opinion, especially here, you seem to have a better grip on Mac overall than I, this was aimed at Tutuu. She made a (from my POV) somewhat melodramatic post about how town was doomed if we misyeeted Mac. I was responding to that, but then someone posted in between.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote: Maccas

Great. So much for towncoring.

I have my reasons

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

1 st point. This game is wacky. I think it's entirely possible that the game was set up with information but without communication. The wolves strength against the town is typically knowledge to contend against the towns numbers. If the baddies have no knowledge, they have no advantage.

Re your first point, it's a fair one. I'm surprised I didn't think of it myself.

This game is very reminiscent of Goldens BSG game, started with a solo baddie with no info who had to find teammates. This was after you'd stopped playing for a time. In that game, that was me. Not a role I'd like again, my condolences to Doe.

The recruitable baddies didn't even know they were bad, iirc. That was a great joy when one of them turned out to be Glorfindel who hated being bad so much that he refused to be recruited.

In any case, I lost that game, and I'm still salty over it. There was no chance I could win that one with out any info at all. Although I did build a lasting friendship with G Man, so that was a win.

So yeah, an informed minority is the basis of Mafia. I can't imagine Scotty would leave that element out of his set up, so maybe it was a slip on Wilgys part. Hard to say, Wilgy is one of those people who blooms late in the game. That little lashout I saw him do is something i've only seen when he was town, but I haven't seen all of his games.

You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

No. But I do think it's extremely beneficial to town wincon to have a town Mac .

While I also value your opinion, especially here, you seem to have a better grip on Mac overall than I, this was aimed at Tutuu. She made a (from my POV) somewhat melodramatic post about how town was doomed if we misyeeted Mac. I was responding to that, but then someone posted in between.

I know. I answered it anyways.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There's many hours left in the day. Mac never dies.

[tutuu]

You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

No, i think if he gets mischopped ppl will point fingers at the ppl pushing him and theyre almost all town and the third mischop is lined up. Hes only getting scumread coz he was wrong on porscha. If he flips the same alignment as her i dont think its logical for people to change their approach / logic halfway midgame and forgive his choppers