The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

#1201

I'll vote for TH to get the helmet, I think it's a fine choice.

#1202

Sweet job getting DF!

I'll also vote for TH.

#1203

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:@Epi~ could we give it to a dead person? Like could it amplify MMs self protection powers so that they could be used retroactively? I still feel pretty bad about getting him lynched, and if I can help him I want to.

If not, i guess I could use a helmet myself
Living only, please.

I didn't want it anyway...

#1204

Bye DF

I voted TH

#1205

I would also feel comfortable with a vote for TH.

SVS, I have to ask if that question was posed in all seriousness?

#1206

Well, that escalated quickly. Go baddies!

FZ. wrote:Do you think DF is the kind of person who would be bummed at being a baddie twice in a row?

Yes.

#1207

Spacedaisy wrote:I would also feel comfortable with a vote for TH.

SVS, I have to ask if that question was posed in all seriousness?

Yes, why would you think it wasn't? I looked it up and that helmet magnifies powers. SinceMMs power was the power of self protection, I thought it was worth asking.

#1208

Yay! Go us

I'm kind of offended that no one even considered giving me the helmet after I was the first one to call DF a baddie on day 1 and even encouraged you all to join my vote back then

That said, I don't want to get these things. I have no idea what to do with them. So I'm good with giving it to TH or Timmer

DFaraday wrote:Well, that escalated quickly. Go baddies!

FZ. wrote:Do you think DF is the kind of person who would be bummed at being a baddie twice in a row?
Yes.

I had a feeling. I think that it influenced your game. And I can relate because I hate to be a baddie, and when it's two games in a row, I really hate it

#1209

FZ. wrote:I also think Snow Dog is flying under the radar. This is no where near how he played in Cars. What's people opinion on him?

What does flying under the radar actually mean? I have been posting. I'm not hiding.
Cars was a different thing altogether. I had btsc with a civ partner so i outright came out and defended him. That is not the case this game. When the game thins out and if I'm still here you will probably see me more vocal. At the moment I am clueless. My position in most Mafia games recently.

Well done DF voters btw.

#1210

I'll vote for TH as well. Although there is still the possibility that he is a part of the other baddie team

TH is just that good.

#1211

Wait...we're voting by PMs this time. That makes it easy for baddies to blend. I guess we'll have no real info from tonight's votes.

#1212

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:I also think Snow Dog is flying under the radar. This is no where near how he played in Cars. What's people opinion on him?
What does flying under the radar actually mean? I have been posting. I'm not hiding.
Cars was a different thing altogether. I had btsc with a civ partner so i outright came out and defended him. That is not the case this game. When the game thins out and if I'm still here you will probably see me more vocal. At the moment I am clueless. My position in most Mafia games recently.

Well done DF voters btw.

Yeah, someone said you were like that. I don't remember playing with you much other than Cars, so that's my reference point. So I guess others know better.

Elohcin wrote:Wait...we're voting by PMs this time. That makes it easy for baddies to blend. I guess we'll have no real info from tonight's votes.

Epig, I was wondering, would we know how many votes each person got, without knowing who voted?

#1213

FZ - I got to be honest I did not like your last minute push to get people to unvote DF. When asked who else you would consider voting for you said Snow Dog. Which is the part I did not like bc even if you and the others would have moved to Snow Dog there would have still been enough votes to lynch DF. So why Snowy in that instance when it would have made zero difference in the lynch outcome? Why not DH or LC or anyone else that had votes already vs someone who ha none.

#1214

I went to a Parks and Rec Premiere Party and completely forgot about the game! Sorry guys! good job with DFaraday!!! Nice to get a baddie.

zeek wrote: I'm CHANGING my vote, Epi, from S~V~S to DharmaHelper.

Why did you address Epi here?

Roxy wrote: Bass - I know you have had time to play but have not and I also know you are getting ready to help family out and will be afk for several days - if you are still around I am going to be watching as since the tag team event you pinged me. You did the same thing Timmer and Rey did but no one has said anything about it - well I am. My eye, as ever, is on you.

I didn't even notice that Bass did that.

Interesting catch!

Also I wil be giving TH the helmet

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry everyone I have been really busy in RL getting ready to go back to school and haven't had time to catch up as much as I would like.

Your mom says you have had enough time.

#1215

FZ. wrote:Epig, I was wondering, would we know how many votes each person got, without knowing who voted?

No.

#1216

Roxy wrote:FZ - I got to be honest I did not like your last minute push to get people to unvote DF. When asked who else you would consider voting for you said Snow Dog. Which is the part I did not like bc even if you and the others would have moved to Snow Dog there would have still been enough votes to lynch DF. So why Snowy in that instance when it would have made zero difference in the lynch outcome? Why not DH or LC or anyone else that had votes already vs someone who ha none.

You're answering your own question. If it was about saving DF, I would have voted for someone who already had votes and tried to convince others to join me. For me, when I see so many votes on one person, it freaks me out and I second guess myself. That was all it was. I asked about Snow because I genuinely wanted to look at everyone and feel sure about who I vote

#1217

I will also be voting for TH.

#1218

S~V~S wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I would also feel comfortable with a vote for TH.

SVS, I have to ask if that question was posed in all seriousness?
Yes, why would you think it wasn't? I looked it up and that helmet magnifies powers. SinceMMs power was the power of self protection, I thought it was worth asking.

Because quite frankly that struck me as the weirdest question I have ever heard anyone ask in a mafia game. When have you ever know something to be able to be used retroactively in order to change the results, aside from maybe something that was used for the express purpose of resetting a period? just really weird to me.

#1219

Who knows what an object might be able to do unless we ask is how I look at it. It never hurts to ask.

#1220

I'll vote TH too.

#1221

Well done guys on voting DF!

I'm happy with TH getting the helmet, but I fear people lying about who they're voting for.

S~V~S wrote:Yes, why would you think it wasn't? I looked it up and that helmet magnifies powers. SinceMMs power was the power of self protection, I thought it was worth asking.

I'd say it's a good chance the helmet magnifies powers, as it does in the comics. It kinda also shows Prof X whose mutant, so maybe it might show friend or foe to whoever gets it.

Dom wrote:
zeek wrote: I'm CHANGING my vote, Epi, from S~V~S to DharmaHelper.
Why did you address Epi here?

Because I was telling him I was changing, incase he wasn't poll-watching.

#1222

#1223

MovingPictures07 wrote:YES!!!!! BIH DFaraday! Hope to play a game with you again soon though!

So, interestingly, that's the role that has a received vote of negative # of members on his team... so if he hadn't won by a landslide, he likely wouldn't have been lynched. Does this mean that his teammates were waiting to see what would happen and then bandwagoned onto him or voted someone else?

I also think DF flipping bad makes DH look worse. This is because DF and DH both tried to push Made just a bit at the start of D3 AND because DF voted for MM in the tied lynch between MM and DH on D1.

And since I received the wand, I'd be open to considering someone else for the helmet, though I'm hesitant to give it out nonetheless.

You are trying to fit evidence around a theory, when you should be doing the opposite.

#1224

Ok so I won't be around at all for the rest of the week because I have to do my grandma a favor and house sit in the middle of the dead zone. No internet or phone service. But I wanted to post before I go. I'm going to vote for TH to get the Helmet.

Right now I'm not to sure who to trust but I feel like I am seeing Roxy's civvie game. I want to trust S~V~S too but I am the worst at telling if she is bad or good.

The people who I don't trust right now is DH and Hedgeowl. DH because I think there he might be connected to DF for the reasons MP said. I don't trust Hedgeowl right now because she has been so quiet that its reminding me of how she played Doctor Who .

#1225

Bass, do you feel that Hedge is playing at all? I don't think she's posted yet.

#1226

Hedge wasn't particularly quiet in Who. Here she is non existent. Bass, I don't really get this Hedge suspicion at all!

#1227

So is it universal that TH is civ?

#1228

Snow Dog wrote:So is it universal that TH is civ?

I think you know the answer to your question.

#1229

timmer wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:So is it universal that TH is civ?
I think you know the answer to your question.

I really don't. But as everyone seems to want to give him the helmet I guess I can do that too.

#1230

Oh I didn't realize she hasn't posted at all.

#1231

I'm.super pleased.with the.Lynch result especially as.I.was.nervous at.the.end!.going.with.th.for.the.helmet.

#1232

For anyone who hasn't voted yet, I would like to propose we go for an early DF voter. I believe TH to be civ, but he voted very late.

#1233

Epi, what time should we expect a night post? Wondering whether to stay up or not.

#1234

zeek wrote:For anyone who hasn't voted yet, I would like to propose we go for an early DF voter. I believe TH to be civ, but he voted very late.

I was contemplating that myself, but I was also thinking that an earlier to middle voter could have used the knowledge that DF had negative votes and voted for him planning to change it later if it comes down to it. But when DF started getting all the votes, taking off one vote wouldn't have helped him anyway, so they left the vote.
I remember there was at least one person who said that if something changes their mind, they'll change their vote. Like they were preparing the excuse for later. I just don't remember who it was. Maybe Juliets

#1235

zeek wrote:Epi, what time should we expect a night post? Wondering whether to stay up or not.

Is the night over?

#1236

Exams are rough, and College applications are also rough. I'll catch up probably after midnight on the 15th. <3

#1237

zeek wrote:Epi, what time should we expect a night post? Wondering whether to stay up or not.

PMs are due by 7:10pm EST. I need about twenty minutes after that.

#1238

FZ. wrote:
zeek wrote:For anyone who hasn't voted yet, I would like to propose we go for an early DF voter. I believe TH to be civ, but he voted very late.
I was contemplating that myself, but I was also thinking that an earlier to middle voter could have used the knowledge that DF had negative votes and voted for him planning to change it later if it comes down to it. But when DF started getting all the votes, taking off one vote wouldn't have helped him anyway, so they left the vote.
I remember there was at least one person who said that if something changes their mind, they'll change their vote. Like they were preparing the excuse for later. I just don't remember who it was. Maybe Juliets

I believe I did say that. Is the same not true for you? You vote someone you think is bad and then someone else does something that lets you know they are certainly bad wouldn't you change your vote? That's what I meant by my comment, there was no "excuse preparing".

#1239

I looked at the low posters and those who haven't posted in a while and at the time they last posted:

Hedge-never
Sabie, Lizzie and Lorab - 1/8
Mongoose- 1/11
LC-1/12

Seem like it was LC and Mongoose that were silenced.
It's weird that three people stopped posting on the same day. Do you all think it's a coincidence?

linki: Isn't that obvious? Why'd you feel the need to say it?

#1240

FZ - True, but that would make any sort of analysis of the voting yesterday null and void. I don't believe that is the case.

Thanks Epi, I'll stay up a bit longer then and see how tired I get

#1241

I'd guess it ends in 1-2 hours, FZ., depending on whether the Nights are 23 or 24 hours. Epi does 23-hour Nights a lot.

Linki: Well, Epi solved that mystery. Also I think the notion that LC and Goosy were silenced is logical, especially considering that LC was posting a lot before completely stopping.

#1242

FZ. wrote:
linki: Isn't that obvious? Why'd you feel the need to say it?

Are you asking me? Or someone else?

#1243

sabie's logged in a couple of times since N1, the other two have. Don't know what to make of that, hope everything is okay.

#1244

zeek wrote:FZ - True, but that would make any sort of analysis of the voting yesterday null and void. I don't believe that is the case.

Thanks Epi, I'll stay up a bit longer then and see how tired I get

I just looked up the role again. If we assume both night kills were of civvies, it means he had -4 votes. He would be tied with someone who had 3 votes if he had 7 votes. Any votes beyond that, are those who actually got him lynched. So I'd say, if anyone is looking not to be on his team, it's Bass and TH, because they were the ones to seal the deal.

Then, we have DH who voted for Boomslang right after Roxy put in the 7th vote for DF, making it a tie between Boomslang and DF (3 vs. 7 respectively). On the other hand, we have Spacedaisy who was the only other player voted for someone else after DF got his 7th vote, but she voted DH, so if DH is working with DF, I doubt Space is too.
So for me, it's either DH or SPacedaisy, and I stand by my initial assessment that one of the early voters for DF could be a baddie (most likely #1-4)

linki: Juliets, I was asking you

#1245

Snow Dog wrote:
timmer wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:So is it universal that TH is civ?
I think you know the answer to your question.
I really don't. But as everyone seems to want to give him the helmet I guess I can do that too.

My point was that of course we don't all know TH is civ. It seems likely TH isn't on DF's baddie team, though, so that makes the odds of civvies ness relatively high. I mean, you must understand this.

As for people reluctant to vote TH due to the later vote, you can feel free to vote for me as an alternate, if you feel I'm worthy.

#1246

I agree DH and Daisy may be good places to start but disagree over DF votes #1-4. DH and Boom had 2 votes while DF had 1. It was nowhere near a sure thing at the time of that 4th vote. Much easier to vote for DH or Boom at that point.

#1247

Actually, TH voted last, so it is possible that he saw DF was a gonner and then voted. But TH was the one who brought up the DF case again after we let it go a little. On the third hand, he kept saying he trusts DH, so I don't know.
I might go with Timmer or Bea after all.

linki: Yeah, I see what you're saying zeek.

#1248

Obviously we'll get into this a bit more in D4. I think the focus will more likely be on non-DF voters like myself and that's fair.

#1249

juliets wrote:
FZ. wrote:
zeek wrote:For anyone who hasn't voted yet, I would like to propose we go for an early DF voter. I believe TH to be civ, but he voted very late.
I was contemplating that myself, but I was also thinking that an earlier to middle voter could have used the knowledge that DF had negative votes and voted for him planning to change it later if it comes down to it. But when DF started getting all the votes, taking off one vote wouldn't have helped him anyway, so they left the vote.
I remember there was at least one person who said that if something changes their mind, they'll change their vote. Like they were preparing the excuse for later. I just don't remember who it was. Maybe Juliets
I believe I did say that. Is the same not true for you? You vote someone you think is bad and then someone else does something that lets you know they are certainly bad wouldn't you change your vote? That's what I meant by my comment, there was no "excuse preparing".

Ok, so FZ your question is why did I feel the need to say this. In your quote above you laid out there that I said I would change my vote if there was a reason to change it. You further indicated that the statement indicated I was preparing an excuse for later. My answer to you is that I was stating something that would probably be true of anyone who didn't vote at the last minute - that I would change my vote if something currently unknown happened to cause me to change my mind. Many people in this game have said basically the same thing. So, you put out there the idea that I was "excuse preparing", not even acknowledging that there were other reasons to say that, and i corrected you with what I was doing. I don't know why you are confused by why I responded to your statement.

#1250

timmer wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
timmer wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:So is it universal that TH is civ?
I think you know the answer to your question.
I really don't. But as everyone seems to want to give him the helmet I guess I can do that too.
My point was that of course we don't all know TH is civ. It seems likely TH isn't on DF's baddie team, though, so that makes the odds of civvies ness relatively high. I mean, you must understand this.

As for people reluctant to vote TH due to the later vote, you can feel free to vote for me as an alternate, if you feel I'm worthy.

I think i will vote for you.

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