[TOWN WIN] Cool Bug Mafia

[falcon45ca]

Falcon is town, Wiml feels good

I can sleep, I have a town core

Hi everyone, I waited for this game to start with so much joy and excitement!
Maybe because of the bugs, or because the playerslist is so cool, I let you guess!

Let's have a fun game

Good to play with you again Michelle.

Linki: we don't murder people in cold blood, sir, we analyze facts and eliminate the suspects

Well exactly two of us murder in cold blood, unless of course we want to argue that the civilians are the bad guys for killing someone first. We can disregard the moral implications of our actions though. Everything we do here is for the greater good.

Thanks, likewise!

There's no bad guy in this game, only good guys who received a villain role!

I don't feel I've done anything to merit a townread





What are you seeing that I'm not?

I saw you shouting I AM TOWN!
Reminded me of the vocaroo game and felt warm

OK, but I do that every single game, and you gave me a towncore cred based off my NAI intro post





[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks, is there a way to ISO on SDN?

From within a thread, you can use the search function (around the top right) to search "this thread" for posts by JaggedJimmyJay.

[Wiml]

Thanks, is there a way to ISO on SDN?

From within a thread, you can use the search function (around the top right) to search "this thread" for posts by JaggedJimmyJay.

Got it, ty.

[Wiml]

Is there a fast way to vote on this site or is it just manually typing in the vote tags?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is there a fast way to vote on this site or is it just manually typing in the vote tags?

There's a "vote" button in the post editor, but it's not available in the quick reply box.

[Wiml]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Ty!

[Michelle]

Falcon is town, Wiml feels good

Whaddya like about Wiml so far?

Vibe.

Also the killing in cold blood thing is not something mafia would come up at game start

My gaze narrows. Suspicion! Suspicion!

I think Wiml's posts as of your "feels good" read had been fine, but not town-indicative (or anything-indicative). So that read leaves me uneasy. His comment about cold blood was also a response to a silly question I had just posed to him a moment earlier.

Silly question, silly answer, but my logic says that mafia wouldn't use those words.

Wasn't I repeating the same words back to JJJ that he said to me first, though? Unless I'm misunderstanding you somehow.

My bad, my eyes glazed over his post and I didn't notice it, I only read through your answer.
Back to null for you.

No town core for now, sadly

[Wiml]

I'd like to hear Michelle's response to my question before I say much more though.

[Michelle]

Falcon and Wiml can't be pocketed.
Noted.
Oh well.

[Michelle]

I'd like to hear Michelle's response to my question before I say much more though.

You have my answer. Now what?

[Michelle]

The thing is, I can trust the fact Wiml wouldn't post that as a wolf but I can't trust Jay with the same thing.

Also the Falcon intro is a thing I noticed in many games where he was town.He says is NAI, so I want a wolf game when he started like that @falcon45ca

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Civilians
falcon45ca -- probably town, and something to be mindful of moving forward. falcon tends to inevitably become vote-bait eventually, and if he's town right now he'll still be town later.

Have posted, no read
Wiml -- early posts are perfectly okay, but they don't inform me about Wiml's motivations yet.
Kate -- town read on falcon could use qualification, otherwise no impression

No posts yet
Abigail
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Lime Coke
Quin
Roxy

Suspicion exists
Michelle -- initial reads are a little hard to believe

This post is largely for my own mental organization, but might as well share.

[falcon45ca]

I AM TOWN!





We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another

@Michelle

[Michelle]

My reads make sense for me and I believe in what I see and I explained them. I didn't make them to be believable for you Jay and your rush to paint me scum is nagl.

[Michelle]

I AM TOWN!





We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another

Ooo what a scum team there!

I see, keep going, I will have a read for you in 24 hours if you are active enough

@Michelle

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My reads make sense for me and I believe in what I see and I explained them. I didn't make them to be believable for you Jay

That could be true. I don't know. I am still required to interpret those reads for myself and make my own judgment.

and your rush to paint me scum is nagl.

Why is my suspicion "nagl"? Do you believe the following two reads should be regarded as trustworthy? Imagine someone other than you made these reads and you had to decide what to do with them.

"falcon is town, because falcon said I AM TOWN the way he did in a previous town game"
"Wiml is town, because he referred to 'cold blood', and I don't think he would as mafia"

[Michelle]

I AM TOWN!





We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another

@Michelle

Ooo what a scum team there!

I see, keep going, I will have a read for you in 24 hours if you are active enough


EBWOP

[Wiml]

I was sniped.

I'm not a fan of how Michelle approached the early townreads on both of myself and falcon. For falcon in particular, I think the stated meta reasons (same first post as vocaroo game) are way, way weaker logic-wise than the confidence Michelle showed in the read prior to being asked to explain it.

Especially since my understanding is that both myself and falcon have historically had the reputation of being very easy to find and clear as town (even if that reputation isn't warranted in my case for obvious reasons to anybody who knows me well) and that I think falcon is currently pretty likely to be a villager.

I think this behaviour is >rand likely to come from wolf-Michelle seeing two villagers she knows she has no intention of pushing for a miselim later into this game and shrug-townreading them without thinking it through logically before posting. These sort of hollow reads are something that I was actively looking out for since they seemed pretty common when I did an admittedly quick meta skim of one of her wolf games earlier.

[Wiml]

Although in the case of Michelle in particular I'm not too worried about misreading her because she seems enthusiastic and my understanding is that she's likely to make herself very easy to find in time if town.

[Wiml]

The thing is, I can trust the fact Wiml wouldn't post that as a wolf but I can't trust Jay with the same thing.

Also the Falcon intro is a thing I noticed in many games where he was town.He says is NAI, so I want a wolf game when he started like that @falcon45ca

If you're town then you're very severely underestimating my wolf range anyway tbh.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

These sort of hollow reads are something that I was actively looking out for since they seemed pretty common when I did an admittedly quick meta skim of one of her wolf games earlier.

I recognize a similar problem from the season 7 finale. I will temper that connection since it was three years ago, but it's in my head.

[Michelle]

My reads make sense for me and I believe in what I see and I explained them. I didn't make them to be believable for you Jay

That could be true. I don't know. I am still required to interpret those reads for myself and make my own judgment.

and your rush to paint me scum is nagl.

Why is my suspicion "nagl"? Do you believe the following two reads should be regarded as trustworthy? Imagine someone other than you made these reads and you had to decide what to do with them.

"falcon is town, because falcon said I AM TOWN the way he did in a previous town game"
"Wiml is town, because he referred to 'cold blood', and I don't think he would as mafia"

I will explain why I make GTH reads at SoD: it's to see reactions.
They don't have bad reactions, both of them, insta voting me for making an undeserved AI judgement.
You, otoh, you are focused on your image and the way you present yourself and your reads. It may be that you turned into a pedantic player who needs rainbow reads for 4 players.
Or you want to show off and the focus on how you look it's your way to impress the other townies?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will explain why I make GTH reads at SoD: it's to see reactions.
They don't have bad reactions, both of them, insta voting me for making an undeserved AI judgement.

That's a perfectly valid strategy, and I have often done the same thing in the past. I am still left to decide, however, if you were truly pursuing reactions or if those were meant to be real reads that you have had to walk back. I will think about it.

You, otoh, you are focused on your image and the way you present yourself and your reads. It may be that you turned into a pedantic player who needs rainbow reads for 4 players.
Or you want to show off and the focus on how you look it's your way to impress the other townies?

I don't care about my image, but I am absolutely concerned with the ways that I present my reads. When players aren't considerate of their presentation, they tend to have a negative impact on the climate of a game. I don't necessarily "need" to build rainbows with limited players to assess, but it does sometimes help me to conceptualize a starting point for myself.

There's much day phase remaining, so I will leave you be for now so you can play on your own terms.

[Michelle]

The thing is, I can trust the fact Wiml wouldn't post that as a wolf but I can't trust Jay with the same thing.

Also the Falcon intro is a thing I noticed in many games where he was town.He says is NAI, so I want a wolf game when he started like that @falcon45ca

If you're town then you're very severely underestimating my wolf range anyway tbh.

I am not underestimating your or Falcon's wolf range, dw

The simple fact you talk about your wolfing skills it's a plus though.

Answering at the other post, if you think I am such a bad wolf to make TMI slips at the game start and consider I am not doing these reads in most of my games regardless alignament, I will inform you you are wrong on both.

[Michelle]

I will explain why I make GTH reads at SoD: it's to see reactions.
They don't have bad reactions, both of them, insta voting me for making an undeserved AI judgement.

That's a perfectly valid strategy, and I have often done the same thing in the past. I am still left to decide, however, if you were truly pursuing reactions or if those were meant to be real reads that you have had to walk back. I will think about it.

You, otoh, you are focused on your image and the way you present yourself and your reads. It may be that you turned into a pedantic player who needs rainbow reads for 4 players.
Or you want to show off and the focus on how you look it's your way to impress the other townies?

I don't care about my image, but I am absolutely concerned with the ways that I present my reads. When players aren't considerate of their presentation, they tend to have a negative impact on the climate of a game. I don't necessarily "need" to build rainbows with limited players to assess, but it does sometimes help me to conceptualize a starting point for myself.

There's much day phase remaining, so I will leave you be for now so you can play on your own terms.

One more thing sir, if you have a suspicion why don’t you use your vote?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

consider I am not doing these reads in most of my games regardless alignament, I will inform you you are wrong on both.

Is this something you'd be able to provide a link for from a recent town game?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One more thing sir, if you have a suspicion why don’t you use your vote?

I don't always believe that spamming votes onto people is the best course of action. When people get heavily wagoned right after a game starts, they can get thrown off-balance even when they are town and struggle to find their way back. I'm giving you space to breathe and play.

[Michelle]

consider I am not doing these reads in most of my games regardless alignament, I will inform you you are wrong on both.

Is this something you'd be able to provide a link for from a recent town game?

Not now, I am phone posting in bed in darkness and I am close to the dreaming realm. Tomorrow and if I forget please ask again.

It's 1:30 am for me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not now, I am phone posting in bed in darkness and I am close to the dreaming realm. Tomorrow and if I forget please ask again.

It's 1:30 am for me

By all means, it's not that important right this moment. Sleep well!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will explain why I make GTH reads at SoD: it's to see reactions.
They don't have bad reactions, both of them, insta voting me for making an undeserved AI judgement.
You, otoh, you are focused on your image and the way you present yourself and your reads. It may be that you turned into a pedantic player who needs rainbow reads for 4 players.
Or you want to show off and the focus on how you look it's your way to impress the other townies?

@Wiml could you please share your impressions of this post?

[Michelle]

One more thing sir, if you have a suspicion why don’t you use your vote?

I don't always believe that spamming votes onto people is the best course of action. When people get heavily wagoned right after a game starts, they can get thrown off-balance even when they are town and struggle to find their way back. I'm giving you space to breathe and play.

I respect that, and I understand your PoV.
My view is that the vote is town's weapon and the only one in a mountainous game.

Brain refuses to think more, sorry

[Michelle]

Not now, I am phone posting in bed in darkness and I am close to the dreaming realm. Tomorrow and if I forget please ask again.

It's 1:30 am for me

By all means, it's not that important right this moment. Sleep well!

Thank you! Have a pleasant evening!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to go for a walk, but I will still poke around on mobile if a newcomer arrives and wishes to spitball.

[Roxy]

Yay game, busy YaYa'ing tonight I'll be around tomorrow

[falcon45ca]

Yay game, busy YaYa'ing tonight I'll be around tomorrow

[Kate]

JJJ you mind linking a couple representative town games of yours?

And ideally a representative wolf game that's not the Don't Starve one.

Sure, or at least I can try. I have played so seldom in recent years that they tend to get dated quickly. But here are a few:

Town

Champs practice game on Student Doctor Network
Another earlier SDN game

Mafia

Kid's Birthday Party Mafia
Halvøsen Ridge

Is this the beginning...of...it...?

[Kate]

Civilians
falcon45ca -- probably town, and something to be mindful of moving forward. falcon tends to inevitably become vote-bait eventually, and if he's town right now he'll still be town later.

Have posted, no read
Wiml -- early posts are perfectly okay, but they don't inform me about Wiml's motivations yet.
Kate -- town read on falcon could use qualification, otherwise no impression

No posts yet
Abigail
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Lime Coke
Quin
Roxy

Suspicion exists
Michelle -- initial reads are a little hard to believe

This post is largely for my own mental organization, but might as well share.

I very rarely give qualification or much reason, but falcon doesn't bound into the game talking about actual game stuff as wolf. And I can't remember wold falcon ever being on eof the first voter, which he just became when he voted Michelle. So my read on him remains civ.

Me and falcon, town core. Lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is this the beginning...of...it...?

Not sure what you mean!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks for expanding, Kate. Good enough for now, and I agree with your conclusion.

[Kate]

One more thing sir, if you have a suspicion why don’t you use your vote?

I don't always believe that spamming votes onto people is the best course of action. When people get heavily wagoned right after a game starts, they can get thrown off-balance even when they are town and struggle to find their way back. I'm giving you space to breathe and play.

I also dislike this because, in my experience, the first few big talkers are usually town so they end up setting the table for a mislynch and the wolves saunter in and take advantage of it.

[Kate]

Is this the beginning...of...it...?

Not sure what you mean!

Your analytic methods that you told me to watch for!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hey folks.

Wiml!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hi

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hi everyone, I waited for this game to start with so much joy and excitement!
Maybe because of the bugs, or because the playerslist is so cool, I let you guess!

Let's have a fun game

Linki: we don't murder people in cold blood, sir, we analyze facts and eliminate the suspects

Vote: Michelle.

Hi.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is this the beginning...of...it...?

Not sure what you mean!

Your analytic methods that you told me to watch for!

Oh I see. Nope that’ll come a bit later, those are just links per Wiml’s request.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

And obviously having a pleasant set of players toxicity-wise is very nice as well.

Oh dear I see you don't know me...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

That’s unlikely. But I play rarely, so my next town game could be a long way away for all I know.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.