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Epi's only mention of LC prior to right before EoD1 was indirect (attacking me for semantics when I agreed to JJJ's Lime case).
Notable that both Lime and Epi had a mild chainsaw defence of the other but otherwise basically ignored each other until directly forced to interact.
Notable that both Lime and Epi had a mild chainsaw defence of the other but otherwise basically ignored each other until directly forced to interact.
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In a world where Kate is the last wolf I get the impression that she'd be doing more to try to actually have a shot at winning this game.
She doesn't really seem like the sort to just stop playing when she needs to try to win F3.
She doesn't really seem like the sort to just stop playing when she needs to try to win F3.
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Taking a break, will come back and look at stuff later.
This game really just rests on finding Wilgy and Abigail's alignments and right now I think both are proooobably town.
This game really just rests on finding Wilgy and Abigail's alignments and right now I think both are proooobably town.
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Quoted them for further refference
I already said what I wanted to say, and I let people who posted less to shine amd solve.
today is Sunday and also a very special day for me IRL, being the anniversary of my marriage (I forgot about it tbh but our godmother called to wish us the usual good things ). Staying on phone too much is not how I intend to spend this day but tomorrow I am here to play as much as possible
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I think you are underestimating me as a player overall and also you can go to MU and check my wolf games, they are there for everyone to see them.
I also rand wolf with Quin and Golden in the last year Anniversary games here, Kate and Roxy were in the game villagers, maybe Wilgy too but I am nou so sure. I discretly let Golden to bus me when it mattered the most (because of time zones I couldn’t interact with Quin and the villagers lynched me after him).
But studying old games doesn't show new improvement one can have and every player grows at a slow or exponential pace depending on the reasons of growth.
I told you I need to see your use of meta. Until now I am not impressed about it, I am not sure you used it to really solve.
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1. Brad wouldn't push Falcon for a push on his partner.
2. I feel he is a villager. That's hard to explain, but it comes from his righteous tone and interactions whith good energy flow. If you call it intuition you are not far from reality.
3. I think the way he treat Jay is not pockety
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I've read or skimmed through most of your more recent wolf games on MU already so there's probably nothing there that will change my stance.Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:14 amI think you are underestimating me as a player overall and also you can go to MU and check my wolf games, they are there for everyone to see them.
I also rand wolf with Quin and Golden in the last year Anniversary games here, Kate and Roxy were in the game villagers, maybe Wilgy too but I am nou so sure. I discretly let Golden to bus me when it mattered the most (because of time zones I couldn’t interact with Quin and the villagers lynched me after him).
But studying old games doesn't show new improvement one can have and every player grows at a slow or exponential pace depending on the reasons of growth.
I told you I need to see your use of meta. Until now I am not impressed about it, I am not sure you used it to really solve.
I'm asking you for a strong game specifically to give you a chance to bring out a wolf game that I haven't read where you can demonstrate that I've underestimated your wolf play since I'm not seeing it.
Meta isn't something that should be overused, I think I've used it pretty effectively this game and absolutely buried a wolf using it. I'm not going to try to shoehorn bad meta takes into my solving to appease anyone.
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1. Isn't this literally chainsaw defending? It's a common tell.Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:19 am1. Brad wouldn't push Falcon for a push on his partner.
2. I feel he is a villager. That's hard to explain, but it comes from his righteous tone and interactions whith good energy flow. If you call it intuition you are not far from reality.
3. I think the way he treat Jay is not pockety
2. Actually agree, I think he has a lot of micro moments that are villagery and it's been enough to raise him up my PoE over past days.
3. I think it's far, far away from certain that wolf-Epi would go out of his way to try to pocket JJJ though. I don't know what existing dynamic those two have but presumably wolf-Epi would have wanted to maintain something close to that dynamic. I don't put much stock into this point.
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I think it would take some serious guts for a wolf-Wilgy to avoid nightkilling me N1 after I namedropped a Lime Coke / Wilgy team as a possibility.
Especially since Falcon didn't seem to be any threat to Wilgy in that scenario.
It would also be mildly weird for him to avoid killing me N2 since I think I was more outwardly considering worlds where he was mafia than JJJ was for most of that day phase.
Not clearing in of itself but doesn't seem like a likely kill for sure.
Especially since Falcon didn't seem to be any threat to Wilgy in that scenario.
It would also be mildly weird for him to avoid killing me N2 since I think I was more outwardly considering worlds where he was mafia than JJJ was for most of that day phase.
Not clearing in of itself but doesn't seem like a likely kill for sure.
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Michelle, what's your opinion on what Abigail's gameplan was on D1 if she was wolfing?
Bussing? Trying to cause a wagon on you.
Earlier wasn't a rhetorical question but something I think is genuinely useful to discuss for people who genuinely think that Abigail has wolf equity.
Bussing? Trying to cause a wagon on you.
Earlier wasn't a rhetorical question but something I think is genuinely useful to discuss for people who genuinely think that Abigail has wolf equity.
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Epi what caused you to suddenly start having issues with me only after Michelle started tunnelling me?
Feels like you did a complete u-turn on me as soon as you saw the opening.
Feels like you did a complete u-turn on me as soon as you saw the opening.
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I have been reading and isoing but I have Ari until early afternoon I'll be back with thoughts then and hope *everyone* has posted.
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I pretty well remember my feelings about your play style as well as things I've been told by others.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:11 pmIt's the same for me. That's why I can't say I know how you play.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:02 pmA few I'm pretty sure but I don't remember specifics
Would that mean the reverse is true and you don't know how I play?
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Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pmI just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pmIt's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?
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MU's still down so I can't even access any of the meta I want to grab from there frustratingly.
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But yeah this post is... still a sticking point for me after actually reading it again.Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:34 amKate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pmI just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pmIt's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?
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I'll try my best
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Yeah, alright.
Still not clearing Kate over it because I think she worded it mistakenly regardless of her alignment and wouldn't have been considering the implications of that. It happens, I really wouldn't blame her no matter what she flips.
I'd be lying if I said it's not towny though.
Still not clearing Kate over it because I think she worded it mistakenly regardless of her alignment and wouldn't have been considering the implications of that. It happens, I really wouldn't blame her no matter what she flips.
I'd be lying if I said it's not towny though.
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Vote: Epi
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It's appreciated!
Especially with how today goes, we might need every town clear we can possibly get if we want to end with a win.
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Town Core
Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml
Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.
I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that
Epi is probs just a wolf.
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Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml
Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.
I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that
Epi is probs just a wolf.
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A quick skim of several of Michelle's wolf games hasn't really changed my opinion of her wolf range. Certainly not in the ways I was looking for, anyway.
Still feeling happy with calling her town rn.
Still feeling happy with calling her town rn.
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Talk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core
Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml
Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.
I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that
Epi is probs just a wolf.
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If the team is Brad and Abigail I don't know if they make a plan or they go with the flow. So I have no idea what the wolves are doing in that case.Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:59 am Michelle, what's your opinion on what Abigail's gameplan was on D1 if she was wolfing?
Bussing? Trying to cause a wagon on you.
Earlier wasn't a rhetorical question but something I think is genuinely useful to discuss for people who genuinely think that Abigail has wolf equity.
If the team is Brad and you I expect a plan and a bus from the very moment Brad's play shows that a push on him can be interpreted as a natural move.
I mean the part with voting Falcon is an open wolfing part who is speculated immediatly by you.
Regarding my wolf games and meta you say you skimmed, I don't appreciate the way you discuss it. There's no interest in town range from you. In fact for everyone you asked for meta you only talked about wolf range. This seems like a simplistic approach without deep analysis because like we all know you were wrong about Quin as being the apathetic partner of a giving up wolf Brad.Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:26 amI've read or skimmed through most of your more recent wolf games on MU already so there's probably nothing there that will change my stance.Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:14 amI think you are underestimating me as a player overall and also you can go to MU and check my wolf games, they are there for everyone to see them.
I also rand wolf with Quin and Golden in the last year Anniversary games here, Kate and Roxy were in the game villagers, maybe Wilgy too but I am nou so sure. I discretly let Golden to bus me when it mattered the most (because of time zones I couldn’t interact with Quin and the villagers lynched me after him).
But studying old games doesn't show new improvement one can have and every player grows at a slow or exponential pace depending on the reasons of growth.
I told you I need to see your use of meta. Until now I am not impressed about it, I am not sure you used it to really solve.
I'm asking you for a strong game specifically to give you a chance to bring out a wolf game that I haven't read where you can demonstrate that I've underestimated your wolf play since I'm not seeing it.
Meta isn't something that should be overused, I think I've used it pretty effectively this game and absolutely buried a wolf using it. I'm not going to try to shoehorn bad meta takes into my solving to appease anyone.
Instead saying I can't do that as a wolf you should point out why doesn't make sense for me as a wolf to do x,y,z things I did this game if you want me to believe your read doesn't come from TMI perspective
You absolutely buried a wolf by saying he can't wolf or something. I don't think that's a correct use of meta.
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Mind explaining what you meant here Abi? Not sure I get it.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 amOkay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm townJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 amReads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Michelle has said why
They've answered
Michelle has said no
And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no
And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.
It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
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Tbf I don't really care if you think my read comes from a TMI perspective rn nor do I think anything I say will make you think that it doesn't.
I'm not wasting my time and energy pandering to you and playing how you'd like me to play, I'm solving the game the way I'd like to solve the game and using the methods that allow me to solve with the highest accuracy.
I'm not wasting my time and energy pandering to you and playing how you'd like me to play, I'm solving the game the way I'd like to solve the game and using the methods that allow me to solve with the highest accuracy.
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(That was to Michelle, forgot to quote the post)
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I at least agree that I have no idea what a Brad / Abigail wolf team would have been doing.
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In the nicest way possible I also very much do not need tips from you on how to play.
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You got it wrong. I don't give you any tips about how you play.
I just explained why I don't trust your read on me.
I just explained why I don't trust your read on me.
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This is not the first time you pretend I am not worthy your time.
You don't care about my opinon, I don't trust yours.
If I am right there's no way you can agree with me, so I understand your position.
You don't care about my opinon, I don't trust yours.
If I am right there's no way you can agree with me, so I understand your position.
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You're wrong, I just don't expect to be able to work with you and responding to your constant cases on me is distracting me from literally everything else I could be doing in this game and I have a long to do list.
Responding to cases after a certain point is -ev in general so it's w/e.
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And also in the nicest way possible I don't really care about your read on me.
If you want to spend your time constructively, assume the scenario happens where I die at day and flip town and start solving assuming you want to narrow down the wolves to a PoE of three.
If you want to spend your time constructively, assume the scenario happens where I die at day and flip town and start solving assuming you want to narrow down the wolves to a PoE of three.
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Like, if it really comes down to stuff closer to EoD then sure I can address why I'm town in great detail.
But do you not see why it's a huge waste of my time to ignore solving and focus on answering your questions?
But do you not see why it's a huge waste of my time to ignore solving and focus on answering your questions?
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Abi, any of your towncore reads that you would be able to explain for me?
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Feeling pretty sold so far that Roxy/Michelle/Abigail t/t/t wins the game.
Unfortunately that relies on 1. my not getting miselimned and 2. people listening to me.
Neither of those are guarantees so a fourth clear seems like it might be necessary.
Unfortunately that relies on 1. my not getting miselimned and 2. people listening to me.
Neither of those are guarantees so a fourth clear seems like it might be necessary.
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Any good Wilgy readers here want to talk about him with me?
Or anybody with a strong read on him really.
Or anybody with a strong read on him really.
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I think my feelings for what happened D1 have been pretty on my shoulder and I don't really want to rehash it. I'm acutely aware that my emotional state can sometimes impact my reads negatively.Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:15 amTalk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core
Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml
Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.
I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that
Epi is probs just a wolf.
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How? Like it says exactly what I mean and I was right since Bread was a wolf.Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:26 amMind explaining what you meant here Abi? Not sure I get it.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 amOkay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm townJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 amReads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Michelle has said why
They've answered
Michelle has said no
And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no
And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.
It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
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It's fine, it became obvious what you meant later on in your ISO.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:30 pmHow? Like it says exactly what I mean and I was right since Bread was a wolf.Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:26 amMind explaining what you meant here Abi? Not sure I get it.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 amOkay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm townJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 amReads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Michelle has said why
They've answered
Michelle has said no
And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no
And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.
It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
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You're doing a good job there Abi (and I'm sure JJJ agrees as well).☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:27 pmI think my feelings for what happened D1 have been pretty on my shoulder and I don't really want to rehash it. I'm acutely aware that my emotional state can sometimes impact my reads negatively.Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:15 amTalk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core
Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml
Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.
I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that
Epi is probs just a wolf.
GGs
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Re: [D3] Cool Bug Mafia
Unfortunately if Kate doesn't play she can't be cleared despite the TMI read we have from Brad. And if that is correct for Kate, it can also be for Abigail P#147
Epi is town for the P#160 imo, wolf Brad wouldn't ask a townie why he votes his mate for voting a townie. There's no intent of distancing from Epi either. This is completely unrelated with my TR for Epi's play but it completes it.
Wilgy has zero results in the search in Brad's Iso. This is bothersome
I don't have time to check Wilgy's Iso now but I can do it tomorrow morning (less than 12 hours from now on)
Roxy also doesn't have any mention at the search, but I explained my TR for her.
I need someone who isn't Wiml to post. An opinion/feedback about the above and my suspicion on Wiml would be great.
Epi is town for the P#160 imo, wolf Brad wouldn't ask a townie why he votes his mate for voting a townie. There's no intent of distancing from Epi either. This is completely unrelated with my TR for Epi's play but it completes it.
Wilgy has zero results in the search in Brad's Iso. This is bothersome
I don't have time to check Wilgy's Iso now but I can do it tomorrow morning (less than 12 hours from now on)
Roxy also doesn't have any mention at the search, but I explained my TR for her.
I need someone who isn't Wiml to post. An opinion/feedback about the above and my suspicion on Wiml would be great.
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@DrWilgy Why are you town? What have you done that's you wouldn't as a wolf?
You don't need to put a tonne of effort into this as I get it might get in the way of other stuff for you but I'm interested in your response.
You don't need to put a tonne of effort into this as I get it might get in the way of other stuff for you but I'm interested in your response.
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Fwiw I think we win this game unless exactly Wilgy is a wolf.
I'm now just trying to work out if I think Wilgy being a wolf is plausible or if he's just town.
I'm now just trying to work out if I think Wilgy being a wolf is plausible or if he's just town.
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Re: [D3] Cool Bug Mafia
The exception to the above is a string of chokes but we can safeguard against that.
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I think we've chosen to not trust the process and this puts the game in a questionable state.
While I get the Wiml suspicion (d1 I was on board), by modification to the PoE in this game state to include Wiml they no longer are self resolving.
Previously, we go through the PoE of Kate/Epi/Me/Abigail as much as possible, and then question who's alive at lylo and who's been manipulating out of f3 it's easier as the game had a clear route with noticable oddity.
Now our PoE is too large too early, NK's give us less information and we have to go off of a more gut based approach and that is somewhat gross to me.
Like, I still think solving Kate to be necessary at this point, however, an f3 with like me/Abigail/Wiml is now terrifying because we didn't let the "bussers" self resolve via a strong town core.
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Re: [D3] Cool Bug Mafia
Good luck.
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Nothing. I'm the least polarized player on the planet.