The Emperor's Soul [D5]

[Scotty]

Y'all should have voted Epi. Perhaps we should do that today in honor of Dizzy.

I'm not mafia and I think you know that. But knock yourself out.

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's roll.

Well okay. Shit. I am a moron.

Why do I feel like these two thoughts don’t go together?

You pull Thunal out your ass, who has been talked about by several people as a scum read, so either you have been reading the thread to come to this vote or you’ve thrown your bowling ball straight down the middle while blindfolded.

Then you claim not to have read the rules. Your first post is responding to ????? the voices in your head ????? about the post limit.

I dunno, your whole entrance makes me feel you’re not being sincere

Thunal is my partner.

Unironically haven’t forgotten this

[Epignosis]

Sorry about the condescension- I’m just kinda disappointed we just lost our PRs with no real trade off and dealing with the fact that there’s nothing to solve any more and I’ve now been tricked into playing a mountainous game. I hate mountainous

Scotty isn't mafia.

[Marmot]

I'm liking Marmot's d2 so far especially that he's trying to solve Rico.

I don't think wolf Syn would just say me/Scotty was a difference check if it was a difference check and Scotty was wolf.

I don't think the IF here can be known or confirmed by v!Syn?

This post feels either like TMI or a misstatement.


If Thunal doesn't know Syn's alignment, she would not propose a scenario for Syn that was predicated on the knowledge of another player's alignment, specifically Scotty being wolf.

From Thunal's POV, Syn would not know that Scotty is a wolf, but this statement is made suggesting Syn might do a thing knowing that Scotty was a wolf.

Am I missing something here?

[Epignosis]

Still on board with nutella, Syn, SVS town. Falcon to a lesser extent.

Thunal is a huge blind spot to me, mainly because we've had zero live interactions, so she's a priority reread for me today when I get the chance.

Epi and Rico have moved into my basement and I'm ready to start charging rent.

Scotty I'm still wary of for the LC read, but I think in the end he's probably just town.


We only have two mischops left, so we need a correct POE of four players at this point.

K
Well
I don’t think we should ever yeet Rico today. We need to find his partner first if he is bad, and he needs to participate. If he goes and he is town…well…we might as well be throwing the baby water out with the bathtub, as they say

How do you find Rico's partner?

[Thunal33]

Dizzy and Thunal are probably town btw don't yeet them.

I have my limited posts I'll use them sparingly.

Townread:
Dizzy
Syn
Thunal
SVS

My main townreads, I won't be targetting them at all.

I'll try to narrow down more before deadline.

@Thunal33 this was the moment

Okay. But Dizzy was above me in his readslist and mentioned in the first post.

I think we’re just talking around each other

-I already had inherent bias in tunneling you and thought LC making a straight up townread shield of you set off an alarm
-I thought dizzy would be too obvious in listing his mark. He listed his townclear in there somewhere, so all of this talk about whether I did or didn’t scumread either of you is irrelevant because I would be stupid to vote there in case I did hit the PR.

How much do you know LC?

[Scotty]

How long did this take you?

https://www.ranzey.com/generators/bart/index.html

Have fun my friend!

Amazing.

This controversial subject has been on my mind for soooo long:

Spoiler: show

[Thunal33]

I'm liking Marmot's d2 so far especially that he's trying to solve Rico.

I don't think wolf Syn would just say me/Scotty was a difference check if it was a difference check and Scotty was wolf.

I don't think the IF here can be known or confirmed by v!Syn?

This post feels either like TMI or a misstatement.


If Thunal doesn't know Syn's alignment, she would not propose a scenario for Syn that was predicated on the knowledge of another player's alignment, specifically Scotty being wolf.

From Thunal's POV, Syn would not know that Scotty is a wolf, but this statement is made suggesting Syn might do a thing knowing that Scotty was a wolf.

Am I missing something here?

I was saying that IF Syn was a wolf and Scotty was also a wolf, he probably wouldn't correctly say me/Scotty was a difference check.

[Marmot]

I'm liking Marmot's d2 so far especially that he's trying to solve Rico.

I don't think wolf Syn would just say me/Scotty was a difference check if it was a difference check and Scotty was wolf.

I don't think the IF here can be known or confirmed by v!Syn?

This post feels either like TMI or a misstatement.


If Thunal doesn't know Syn's alignment, she would not propose a scenario for Syn that was predicated on the knowledge of another player's alignment, specifically Scotty being wolf.

From Thunal's POV, Syn would not know that Scotty is a wolf, but this statement is made suggesting Syn might do a thing knowing that Scotty was a wolf.

Am I missing something here?

I was saying that IF Syn was a wolf and Scotty was also a wolf, he probably wouldn't correctly say me/Scotty was a difference check.

Ah that's the part I missed, thanks.

Carry on.


(I don't think Syn's a wolf anyway)

[Scotty]

Still on board with nutella, Syn, SVS town. Falcon to a lesser extent.

Thunal is a huge blind spot to me, mainly because we've had zero live interactions, so she's a priority reread for me today when I get the chance.

Epi and Rico have moved into my basement and I'm ready to start charging rent.

Scotty I'm still wary of for the LC read, but I think in the end he's probably just town.


We only have two mischops left, so we need a correct POE of four players at this point.

K
Well
I don’t think we should ever yeet Rico today. We need to find his partner first if he is bad, and he needs to participate. If he goes and he is town…well…we might as well be throwing the baby water out with the bathtub, as they say

How do you find Rico's partner?

Good question.

Well firstly I’d hope that at some point Rico posts more than just ‘Vote Pedro’ and gives us more to work with.
Secondly, interactions with a flipped wolf in how they handled wanting to go after a non-poster

[Thunal33]

Still on board with nutella, Syn, SVS town. Falcon to a lesser extent.

Thunal is a huge blind spot to me, mainly because we've had zero live interactions, so she's a priority reread for me today when I get the chance.

Epi and Rico have moved into my basement and I'm ready to start charging rent.

Scotty I'm still wary of for the LC read, but I think in the end he's probably just town.


We only have two mischops left, so we need a correct POE of four players at this point.

K
Well
I don’t think we should ever yeet Rico today. We need to find his partner first if he is bad, and he needs to participate. If he goes and he is town…well…we might as well be throwing the baby water out with the bathtub, as they say

How do you find Rico's partner?

If Rico is a wolf, I'd guess his partner shielded him. Rico could be subbed out or become more active so I think most wolves wouldn't choose to bus him d1.

[Syn]

(I don't think Syn's a wolf anyway)

same

[Thunal33]

I've played with Rico once when he was town and he had a slow start but got into the game later and put in a whole lot of effort. I think this level of inactivity generally isn't AI.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

How long did this take you?

https://www.ranzey.com/generators/bart/index.html

Have fun my friend!

Amazing.

This controversial subject has been on my mind for soooo long:

Spoiler: show

Please tell that to my wife. Jesus.

[Epignosis]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

How long did this take you?

https://www.ranzey.com/generators/bart/index.html

Have fun my friend!

Amazing.

This controversial subject has been on my mind for soooo long:

Spoiler: show

Please tell that to my wife. Jesus.

I hear that you're town (from you). Who does town Epignosis think the woofs are?

[Marmot]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

Nice crosspost.

I'm about to head to an appt, but gth no.

[Epignosis]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

Nice crosspost.

I'm about to head to an appt, but gth no.

An appointment at this hour? I know you're west coast, but damn.

[Syn]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

[Epignosis]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

I said discuss. Not ask questions.

[Scotty]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

What is the catalyst for this? Was it the way she reacted to the LC roleclaim in their thunderdome?

[Scotty]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

I said discuss. Not ask questions.

nutella gives me heartburn

but better than chocolate I guess

[Scotty]

I think this

Disabling Soulstamp: You may target a player in the night. Their ability use will be blocked.

was used last night on LC. Makes logical sense.

Which means we have the post limiter and the vote suppressor left for mafia to utilize the next few nights.

This information is a big sowhatburger but I think I am right and am just cataloguing what little mech we have left

[Syn]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

I said discuss. Not ask questions.

her reaction to the LC situation was townie IMO

if she's your TOP pick, there must be a reason

[Epignosis]

nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

I said discuss. Not ask questions.

her reaction to the LC situation was townie IMO

if she's your TOP pick, there must be a reason

I'm working on the post. Hold your horses.

[Epignosis]

It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.

It could be Marmot.

I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.

It could be me.

I do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.

It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

Thunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.

It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.

If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.

(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

[Syn]

underwhelming tbh

[Epignosis]

underwhelming tbh

[Marmot]

@Thunal33 how does w!Thunal play the game of mafia?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Syn]

bruh

[Syn]

I guess it's fine

[Syn]

maybe it's not fine

half the game has yet to post today

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Syn]

hold on let me go through the stages of grief real quick

[Syn]

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

[Marmot]

(Ok but for real I'm leaving for Idaho tomorrow and will be out of service the rest of the day so I have to vote tonight or not at all)

[Marmot]

I thought about doing a bunch of analysis and wallposting but a naked vote sounded more fun. It was.

[Syn]

(Ok but for real I'm leaving for Idaho tomorrow and will be out of service the rest of the day so I have to vote tonight or not at all)

are you and scotty eloping

[Marmot]

/in with extreme slank cover. I'm going to a wedding next weekend and will be out of town Thurs-Sun.

/in with extreme slank cover. Me and Marmot are getting married next weekend and will be out of town Thurs-Sun.

I'm eloping to Norway it'll be lovely!!!

[Syn]

poly relationship, got it

[Scotty]

(Ok but for real I'm leaving for Idaho tomorrow and will be out of service the rest of the day so I have to vote tonight or not at all)

are you and scotty eloping

I haven’t told my wife yet

She loves surprises

[Scotty]

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

[Scotty]

@Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?

[Scotty]

I have done a full 180 on marmot from D1. I think he is behaving very towny.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's roll.

Why? Is this even an RVS vote or a real one?

Because if Epi read the thread he'd see that we were talking about locked votes.

I think Epi probably didn't know votes were locked. If Epi is mafia that faked not knowing votes were locked, what's his plan? To vote me, making his vote unavailable for anyone else later, and to risk it being seen as performative? I don't think it's a very good plan. I do have some paranoia after Belzy's snipe on me in Sesame Street, but I don't really think it's like that because he could easily have just voted me later.

Epi could easily be mafia who didn't know votes were locked. I feel like he was a little too concerned with how he appeared to the thread after his vote.

I don't care for this reversal on Epi that Thunal did on Day 1. She reversed her read again later. I know Thunal has been maintaining that this sort of thing is much more likely for her to do as town, but that doesn't make it town.

I get that Epi made posts after his original vote that could lead to a reversal, but these two observations have the opposite read about the same event: Epi insta-voting.

And then after her next reversal:

Spoiler: show

I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

She's not wrong that Epi doesn't seem to have an agenda, but his takes aren't very compelling.

Spoiler: show

Jesus, I've caught up.

Dyslexicon is my top suspect and I'd vote there if I had the means.

why?

Dyslexicon looks mean. Like out to get someone. The tone is a total contrast from what I'm used to seeing. That's the sense I got.

Just kidding. I have posts to burn.

It was this post:

Town brad is loud about his reads and makes it clear that they have reasons even if they're silly reasons. Lime's approach to me here was to simply ignore the request for any actual reasoning after I pointed out that his reasoning was nonsensical. People other than me might just not notice what he was doing as so egregious, but from where I'm sitting it sure felt like he made up justifications for his readlist and had no vested interest in backing them up when prompted. He was flippant, and flippancy does not always necessarily equal wolfiness, but I cannot locate a town motivation for his behavior.

There's so much "BURY THIS GUY (but but but)."

I think nutella is looking for an easy mark (no offense, Lime Coke)

Dizzy didn't even look mean. He was just a carefree bundle of joy. Also this read has now been proven wrong.

I don't think Epi cares about pushing his reads. He just has them. I want to feel compelled to believe Epi when I read his cases, even if I disagree with them, but I just don't.


Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.

Epi and Thunal could very well be paired, but I voted Epi because I think he's more likely to be a wolf, and he doesn't care about the roof. Thunal I have an easier time seeing as town, even if she isn't doing her tell.

[Marmot]

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Nani!

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.

It could be Marmot.

I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.

It could be me.

I do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.

It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

Thunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.

It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.

If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.

(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I go back and forth on nutella. She has oscillated between moments where I think her tone is genuine in solving and others (like LC claiming) that came off to me as frustrated wolf. But the frustration was real, nonetheless. That could definitely go for either alignment. But it doesn’t prove that she’s town.

I am not going to argue against a Nutella yeet today if that’s where it goes

[Scotty]

#snip
Thunal I have an easier time seeing as town, even if she isn't doing her tell.

What tell? Is this meta on her that you yourself have baked up?

[Scotty]

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Nani!

[Scotty]

Note to self: If there’s a deepwolf in this game, it’s Syn.

[Marmot]

I'm mostly letting vibes inform my reads this game, and following it up with analysis if needed, and many players have passed the vibe check for me thus far. Epi and Rico have not passed it for me. Thunal and falcon have had moments. I'm still feeling good about the rest of the players. Their Day 2 vibes match their Day 1 vibes (those who have posted thus far at least) and I think that's a good sign for them: Syn and Scotty in particular.


The one thing that gives me pause about Thunal is that I know she has a fairly logical brain, and that approach does translate to mafia to some extent, and it's possible that approach is just not as obvious of a town vibe.